whos to say you cant do suspension mods to a corvette? then you just roll onto the highway and walk the he!! out of a turbo car while you are still all motor.
once again C6 ZO6>everything else.
Yep, because that's EXACTLY what the GT-R and Z06 are made for. Straight line racing on the open highway. Oh wait, no they're not. Wake up dude...
Maybe you should wake up "dude". A corvette sounds better A corvette is faster A corvette looks better You can make a corvette handle a lot better in the twisties than it does stock Personally when does racing in turns even matter? I cant think of the last time I raced someone on the street and had to out turn them.
-The first is subjective, not fact. -The second is debateable. In a striaght line, yes; around a track, no. -Looks are also subjective, so again just opinion. -Who said you couldn't?? And besides, you can make a GT-R faster than it is stock, so the point is moot. -Racing in turns matter to people who buy the car for their intended purpose. Buying a Z06 or GT-R just for drag raging is gay. Of course many races will take place in such a manner, but the cars can't be fairly compared in only that arena. And just as many races will take place from a stoplight as they will from a highway roll. And the Z06 is gonna get yanked from a dig....
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-The first is subjective, not fact. -The second is debateable. In a striaght line, yes; around a track, no. -Looks are also subjective, so again just opinion. -Who said you couldn't?? And besides, you can make a GT-R faster than it is stock, so the point is moot. -Racing in turns matter to people who buy the car for their intended purpose. Buying a Z06 or GT-R just for drag raging is gay. Of course many races will take place in such a manner, but the cars can't be fairly compared in only that arena. And just as many races will take place from a stoplight as they will from a highway roll. And the Z06 is gonna get yanked from a dig....
Firstly, the ZR-1 Nurburgring times have not been released officially. All of the speculation on the internet is based on some hear say and conjecture. Most of the reports come from a day when the track was damp. We don't even know who was driving or what they were testing.
Let's just wait and see exactly what the REAL time is before we start talking absolutes. Ok? Stating rumor as fact isn't lying, but it is deceptive.
Anyway, for $70k + dealer mark up I don't think I'll ever have to worry about buying a GT-R. Not that I'd buy a Japanese car, anyway...
The special editions of the Corvette have always been interesting, but the key to the Corvette is world class performance for half the price. It's all about the "base" model.
A supercar that anyone can afford...eventually, since you can always buy used. That's why the Corvette has been around since 1953 and has legions more fans. It's going to be many years before you see any GT-R cruises, meets, or clubs, if ever...or anything that approaches the 'vette or Mustang after market.
Heck, if I had $70k, then I'd probably buy a boring 2008 Z51 Corvette for $45k and just save the other $25k. It's nice to get 30 mpg on the highway and have 24 cubic feet of trunk space...
Everyone likes Mustangs and Corvettes, even non-car people. Except for maybe a lot of ricers. I guess I'd be jealous, too, if I had to keep explaining to people how much they should be impressed by an expensive unattractive car that not many people have heard of.
I'm sure who ever buys a GT-R will get tired of people asking, "Why did you pay that much for a Nissan?". That would put a chip on anyone's shoulder!
You're also forgetting that the C7 Corvette will be here shortly. 2010 for the 2011 model year, right?
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-The first is subjective, not fact. -The second is debateable. In a striaght line, yes; around a track, no. -Looks are also subjective, so again just opinion. -Who said you couldn't?? And besides, you can make a GT-R faster than it is stock, so the point is moot. -Racing in turns matter to people who buy the car for their intended purpose. Buying a Z06 or GT-R just for drag raging is gay. Of course many races will take place in such a manner, but the cars can't be fairly compared in only that arena. And just as many races will take place from a stoplight as they will from a highway roll. And the Z06 is gonna get yanked from a dig....
Firstly, the ZR-1 Nurburgring times have not been released officially. All of the speculation on the internet is based on some hear say and conjecture. Most of the reports come from a day when the track was damp. We don't even know who was driving or what they were testing.
Exactly...
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look im not here to put down mustangs or corvettes becacuse frankly i love both cars and respect them both and i own them both but come on a nissan? im not saying its a terrible car but u still think a nissan can take a ZR-1? how about i get in a ZR-1 and who ever else in A GT-R and we'll see who runs better times on the straight and on the track.... Yes the GT-R gives the ZO6 comp but i doubt the ZR-1
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-The first is subjective, not fact. -The second is debateable. In a striaght line, yes; around a track, no. -Looks are also subjective, so again just opinion. -Who said you couldn't?? And besides, you can make a GT-R faster than it is stock, so the point is moot. -Racing in turns matter to people who buy the car for their intended purpose. Buying a Z06 or GT-R just for drag raging is gay. Of course many races will take place in such a manner, but the cars can't be fairly compared in only that arena. And just as many races will take place from a stoplight as they will from a highway roll. And the Z06 is gonna get yanked from a dig....
Yeah, because EVERY Z06 owner can duplicate those times. They can ALL launch their cars perfectly w/ minimal wheelspin, huh??? The GT-R is foolproof. Launch-control, and DSG tranny. Hold the throttle, release the brakes, and go. That's it. No bogging, no spinning, no missed shifts. The car will run 11's w/ a pro driver, and it will run 11's w/ complete n00b. On the street, where driver skill is far and few between, it's going to be next to impossible to get the hole shot against an AWD car.
So yeah, I'm serious...
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well if you got the money to buy these kind of cars you better damn well know how to drive it! Nissan can't even put a 6 speed in there GT-R lol! in order to drive a real sports car it should be a stick! so they should at least offer it!
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i'm not interested in driving around Nurburgring race track. i mostly drive my stang around town from stoplite to stoplite, so thats what my car should do best. thats why i got the stang, its perfect for off the line torque, plus i love the american muscle sound. so the mustang is perfect for what i want in a muscle car.
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i'm not interested in driving around Nurburgring race track. i mostly drive my stang around town from stoplite to stoplite, so thats what my car should do best. thats why i got the stang, its perfect for off the line torque, plus i love the american muscle sound. so the mustang is perfect for what i want in a muscle car.
Agree with u as well
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Firstly, the ZR-1 Nurburgring times have not been released officially. All of the speculation on the internet is based on some hear say and conjecture. Most of the reports come from a day when the track was damp. We don't even know who was driving or what they were testing.
Let's just wait and see exactly what the REAL time is before we start talking absolutes. Ok? Stating rumor as fact isn't lying, but it is deceptive.
Anyway, for $70k + dealer mark up I don't think I'll ever have to worry about buying a GT-R. Not that I'd buy a Japanese car, anyway...
The special editions of the Corvette have always been interesting, but the key to the Corvette is world class performance for half the price. It's all about the "base" model.
A supercar that anyone can afford...eventually, since you can always buy used. That's why the Corvette has been around since 1953 and has legions more fans. It's going to be many years before you see any GT-R cruises, meets, or clubs, if ever...or anything that approaches the 'vette or Mustang after market.
Heck, if I had $70k, then I'd probably buy a boring 2008 Z51 Corvette for $45k and just save the other $25k. It's nice to get 30 mpg on the highway and have 24 cubic feet of trunk space...
Everyone likes Mustangs and Corvettes, even non-car people. Except for maybe a lot of ricers. I guess I'd be jealous, too, if I had to keep explaining to people how much they should be impressed by an expensive unattractive car that not many people have heard of.
I'm sure who ever buys a GT-R will get tired of people asking, "Why did you pay that much for a Nissan?". That would put a chip on anyone's shoulder!
You're also forgetting that the C7 Corvette will be here shortly. 2010 for the 2011 model year, right?
While I will say that your post is the least fanboyish one thus far, you still make a few points that need to be addressed-
Noone was quoting 'Ring times for the ZR1, except the guy on page one. BUT, as of now, the ZR1 has been running 7:35ish laps from reports. The GT-R V-Spec has been turning mid 7:20's. Whether or not the ZR1 will post better times remains to be seen. I'm sure it will, but then again, there's prolly still room for improvement for the V-Spec as well.
The Vette is by no means a supercar. Maybe in relative terms to the everyman's everday car, but that's it.
There are tons of GT-R meets and get togethers already. And the GT-R has never even been sold stateside. Are you aware of the following and icon status the GT-R nameplate has??? The car is a legend in foreign markets. And they're so sought after, people pay to have them imported and converted to US specs to make them legal for street use.
Not everyone likes the Mustang and Corvette, either. If they did, they would have no competitors, and they wouldn't have the bad stigmas that goes along w/ their ownership. Corvette drivers are balding men in their midlife crisis using their garage queen to pick up young girls. Mustang owners are senseless, toothless hillbillies who think NASCAR is real racing. Are those stereotypes true??? Of course not. But they exist for reason. There is a drop of truth in every stereotype, and they wouldn't exist if there was noone who didn't like the cars.
The GT-R has an aftermarket like you wouldn't believe. Skyline GT-R's have been the darling of the Japanese tuning market for ages. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon as soon as the GT-R was announced, racing to be the first to crack the ECU, and offer upgrades for it. How many American cars do you know of that supposedly have an 'unhackable' ECU, but there are tunes available before the car even goes on sale??
Paying 70K is for a Nissan is NO different than paying 70K for a Chevy. Or 100K for a Chevy when the ZR1 comes. Or paying 150-250K for a Ford. None of the three are premier, upscale brands. None have aura and mystique applied to their manufacturer badge alone. All three are commonplace, everday brands. People just can't wrap their minds around a 70K Nissan because of their bias towards Domestics.
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i'm not interested in driving around Nurburgring race track. i mostly drive my stang around town from stoplite to stoplite, so thats what my car should do best. thats why i got the stang, its perfect for off the line torque, plus i love the american muscle sound. so the mustang is perfect for what i want in a muscle car.
Agree with u as well
But my point is that's not what the cars are built for. It's unfair, and illogical, to compare two cars at something neither was designed to do, and base judgement upon that. Straightline performance is a Mustang's strong suit. It would be unfair to dismiss the Mustang's performance based solely on the fact that they're straightline cars. The GT-R and Z06 were BOTH built to be used on the track. Where there is no limit to the driving experience offered besides the owner's testicular fortitude. A road course is their natuaral element. Buying either car for acceleration numbers alone is a complete waste. And there's a word for people like that- POSERS.....
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-The first is subjective, not fact. -The second is debateable. In a striaght line, yes; around a track, no. -Looks are also subjective, so again just opinion. -Who said you couldn't?? And besides, you can make a GT-R faster than it is stock, so the point is moot. -Racing in turns matter to people who buy the car for their intended purpose. Buying a Z06 or GT-R just for drag raging is gay. Of course many races will take place in such a manner, but the cars can't be fairly compared in only that arena. And just as many races will take place from a stoplight as they will from a highway roll. And the Z06 is gonna get yanked from a dig....
That is also an opinion
If you pay 70K+ for a world class premier sportscar just to be able to say "I run XX.XX in the 1/4...", you're pretty much gay. Maybe not in a literal sense, but you're def a poser. A lame, John Force-wannabe poser. Just like the posers who buy Ferraris and Lambos for their looks....
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well if you got the money to buy these kind of cars you better damn well know how to drive it! Nissan can't even put a 6 speed in there GT-R lol! in order to drive a real sports car it should be a stick! so they should at least offer it!
I wholeheartedly agree, and you would think so, but such is not the case. And making that statement is based on the same logic that anyone who buys these cars should drive them in their intended purpose.
And the GT-R will be offered w/ a true manual eventually....
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i give nissan props for making a car to give chevy a run for their money but honestly not my style at all... american muscle here... but out of curiosity what do you drive SCG?
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look im not here to put down mustangs or corvettes becacuse frankly i love both cars and respect them both and i own them both but come on a nissan? im not saying its a terrible car but u still think a nissan can take a ZR-1? how about i get in a ZR-1 and who ever else in A GT-R and we'll see who runs better times on the straight and on the track.... Yes the GT-R gives the ZO6 comp but i doubt the ZR-1
Well think back to the early 90's when the twin turbo 300's and the 3000 gt's we're all over the vettes of that day.. The mustang wasn't even showing up to those races lol..
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