I have an 08 Gt/cs 5 spd, 4.10 gears. I am wanting to do a turbo or a supercharger witch is better on the motor. Also whats a good brand.



4.10 gears, SCT,Pypes axel back,Cold air, Pypes xpipe, throttle body spacer, & hurst shifter
car only has 1000 miles on it

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ORIGINAL: orangecrush

I have an 08 Gt/cs 5 spd, 4.10 gears. I am wanting to do a turbo or a supercharger witch is better on the motor. Also whats a good brand.

I think any kind of FI is awesome.


4.10 gears, SCT,Pypes axel back,Cold air, Pypes xpipe, throttle body spacer, & hurst shifter
car only has 1000 miles on it

I have looked at whipple & i have been told by shops down here you don't get the power. But I like what they offer in the H.O. kit.

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

I have looked at whipple & i have been told by shops down here you don't get the power. But I like what they offer in the H.O. kit.


You get the 500+ crank hp they claim. 450rwhp is pretty standard for a whipple HO on a stock gt.

so what kind of SC do they recommend if they say the whipple is so wimpy?

The two top choices for a blower would be a Kenne Bell or a Whimple. You can reach your performance goals easilly with either one of those twin-screws. Some of the Whimple buyers become gender confused after the installation and they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whimple Crew" but aside from that fact the supercharger itself is a very good kit.
Turbos are another story and I can not profess to know the better options for that choice.
Your shops down there are quite un-informed if they think they can not get the power from the Whimple. It is one of the best kits out there.

Go turbo you will never regret it :)

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.

With that being said if you ever plan on building a motor and running 20psi or more then you will need to go with something other than a Saleen SC currently they are only good for about 15psi, at least until the new Shacker hood setup comes out, but no one I know of has numbers on that yet.

If you want over 700rwhp, go turbo...if not, definitely do a twin-screw blower (Whipple, Saleen, KB)

fonny guy....... Whipple crew!


ORIGINAL: zkiller

The two top choices for a blower would be a Kenne Bell or a Whimple. You can reach your performance goals easilly with either one of those twin-screws. Some of the Whimple buyers become gender confused after the installation and they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whimple Crew" but aside from that fact the supercharger itself is a very good kit.
Turbos are another story and I can not profess to know the better options for that choice.
Your shops down there are quite un-informed if they think they can not get the power from the Whimple. It is one of the best kits out there.

I think zkiller wants in on the whipple crew...can you guys make an exception [8D]

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

I think zkiller wants in on the whipple crew...can you guys make an exception [8D]


i think so too. but first he must learn how to spell w-h-i-p-p-l-e. that spells whipple.
j/k, zkiller:D

Yeah Like I said I like the whipple or I was thinking Turbonetics. But still thinking..
& all that say don't go Whipple say pro charger. they also don't sell whipple.. But I am thinking if its good enough for Ford racing its good enough for my car

You may want to rethink your "if its good enough for ford racing", trust me take some time do some research for stock block applications, the Saleen is the way to go. I am not trying to knock the other SC on the market, but maybe you should be saying "if its good enough for Saleen" remember they do make the most powerful mustangs on the market, even more power than the super snake, check out the HC302SC or the new extreme, they are using the same SC I am.

Since you all ready have 4.10's go with a Saleen or whipple. If you want a linear powerband go with a centri. (paxton is a good choice). 4.10's are not a good gear for a turbo. I think procharger is a little overpriced compared to other centri s/c.

Track demon= turbo.....street demon (of course track it too) SC IMO! This has been discussed so many times.......

My choice for twin screw: Whipple.

If I had gone with a centri: Procharger.

If I had gone with a turbo: Hellion.

Witch is better? The Blair Witch.

I say just go with a twin screw and a turbo:D. That would be bad a$$.
I agree with Saleen not only being a very reliable but their customer service is topnotch. The only downfall is that if you want a lot more boost down the road you should switch to a Kenne Bell

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.




No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.

From your original questions, it seems you have a lot of research to do. Many things would need to be considered before you could confidently decide what would be best for your car. Time, money, and purpose would be three things I would start with.

This forum could be your best resource for information, as there isn't much these folks haven't done. Get yourself more honed in on what you'd like to accomplish, and you'll get some more specific answers and invaluable help from these guys.

best of luck s ~

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.




No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.



If you would have read the thread correctly, I do not mention pulley size any where. What I said is that it seems to me that the people running whipples and KB's need to run more boost to make similiar HP numbers, as the folks running Saleen SC's at low boost levels. It is true that the whipples and KB will make more boost thana Saleen SC with a similiar size pulley, but at the same time IMO,from reading, and posts onthis forum it seems that the whipples and KB's are not making a significant amount of additional HP with that extra boost. That could be due to the design difference between the SC's. The whipple and KB's design allows them to run a much higher overall boost level, but this design could be affecting their performance at lower boost levels, while the Saleen SC cannot reach the same boost levels as the whipple and KB because of its design, it does appear to be more efficent at lower boost levels. And there is other contributing factors to performance also, but I am just talking about the SC's in general. This is just my opinon, I am not a researcher and am not going to do the research, and I know you will never agree with me and I don't expect you to.

What is FUD?

ORIGINAL: sactown

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.




No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.



If you would have read the thread correctly, I do not mention pulley size any where. What I said is that it seems to me that the people running whipples and KB's need to run more boost to make similiar HP numbers, as the folks running Saleen SC's at low boost levels. It is true that the whipples and KB will make more boost thana Saleen SC with a similiar size pulley, but at the same time IMO,from reading, and posts onthis forum it seems that the whipples and KB's are not making a significant amount of additional HP with that extra boost. That could be due to the design difference between the SC's. The whipple and KB's design allows them to run a much higher overall boost level, but this design could be affecting their performance at lower boost levels, while the Saleen SC cannot reach the same boost levels as the whipple and KB because of its design, it does appear to be more efficent at lower boost levels. And there is other contributing factors to performance also, but I am just talking about the SC's in general. This is just my opinon, I am not a researcher and am not going to do the research, and I know you will never agree with me and I don't expect you to.

What is FUD?



FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Whipple doesn't offer a 6.5psi intercooled options, but the non-intercooled kit has shown over 400rwhp on the dyno. KB sells a 5psi non-intercooled kit with a claimed 401rwhp. So you don't think a tuner could squeeze out another 37rwhp by adding 1.5psi and an intercooler?

You can't look at some dyno sheet from BFE and make such an assumption. You really can't compare time slips unless they are from the same track on the same day.

You really think an intercooled KB 3v running 6.5psi can't make your claimed 438rwhp in your sig, really?

Here's what I think. I think any of these blowers will make similar numbers with the same amount of boost, but the KB will be slightly ahead of the game because of it's size. All the big online tuners seemed to back up what I think. They just don't offer 6.5psi kits because everyone is running atleast 8.

I think any whipple HO on this site will beat you in a roll race because there's no way you are making the same power. Now put on a 3.4 inch pulley and it's a drivers race atleast.

By all means keep spreading the FUD, but don't think i'm not going to call you on it. I'm surprised no one else said anything. Maybe they didn't want to debate it with you or just don't care, IDK.

Okay fine.
w-h-i-p-p-l-e....



Seriously the first poster should research it some more and determine what he really needs.
There is no doubt any of the major forced induction kits can do what you need them to do.
I was just surprised to hear there are shops down there that think that the Whipple wouldn't do the trick. Whimples are good stuff!

+1

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.




No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.



If you would have read the thread correctly, I do not mention pulley size any where. What I said is that it seems to me that the people running whipples and KB's need to run more boost to make similiar HP numbers, as the folks running Saleen SC's at low boost levels. It is true that the whipples and KB will make more boost thana Saleen SC with a similiar size pulley, but at the same time IMO,from reading, and posts onthis forum it seems that the whipples and KB's are not making a significant amount of additional HP with that extra boost. That could be due to the design difference between the SC's. The whipple and KB's design allows them to run a much higher overall boost level, but this design could be affecting their performance at lower boost levels, while the Saleen SC cannot reach the same boost levels as the whipple and KB because of its design, it does appear to be more efficent at lower boost levels. And there is other contributing factors to performance also, but I am just talking about the SC's in general. This is just my opinon, I am not a researcher and am not going to do the research, and I know you will never agree with me and I don't expect you to.

What is FUD?



FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Whipple doesn't offer a 6.5psi intercooled options, but the non-intercooled kit has shown over 400rwhp on the dyno. KB sells a 5psi non-intercooled kit with a claimed 401rwhp. So you don't think a tuner could squeeze out another 37rwhp by adding 1.5psi and an intercooler?

You can't look at some dyno sheet from BFE and make such an assumption. You really can't compare time slips unless they are from the same track on the same day.

You really think an intercooled KB 3v running 6.5psi can't make your claimed 438rwhp in your sig, really?

Here's what I think. I think any of these blowers will make similar numbers with the same amount of boost, but the KB will be slightly ahead of the game because of it's size. All the big online tuners seemed to back up what I think. They just don't offer 6.5psi kits because everyone is running atleast 8.

I think any whipple HO on this site will beat you in a roll race because there's no way you are making the same power. Now put on a 3.4 inch pulley and it's a drivers race atleast.

By all means keep spreading the FUD, but don't think i'm not going to call you on it. I'm surprised no one else said anything. Maybe they didn't want to debate it with you or just don't care, IDK.

Forget about brand names for now. Do some basic research on forced induction (FI)which should include supercharging and turbocharging. Develop some short/long term goals for the car, and decide which mode of FI will bestmatch those goals.

Turbo for me but do what forensicsteve just said.

A turbo with a boost controller is a wonderful thing.

Money isn't the issue. Time is just that time on figuring out what I want to get out of if. What I am thinking is as much power to the rear wheels as possible with the stock bottom end without blowing it up. I am wanting that seat of the pants throw you back as soon as I hit the gas... I like fast & I like fun. I wont be out drag racing it every saturday night. but I want it fast if I decide to. I would also like to spank a vetts ass!!!!!! as far as a Turbo I don't want to loose the V8 sound. Some kits will let you keep your Exuast.. I owned a Custom shop for 10 years Had a Paxton supercharger on a 94 Chevy truck... How mush Have they changed since then???

Thank you..
P.S. I really want advise on the superchargersmore than Turbo. I know how to Do motor work its just thes new STANGS are very sinsitive!!!!

I like the Saleen kit a lot.

Plus, the shaker charger!

Here is a vidoe of me and Simon1 at sac raceway, my mustang is black with a Saleen SC, his is white with a rear mounted STS turbo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfNwwO2sko

Nice clip!!!!!!!!!! I think I am wanting something a little quicker. Not talk trash your car is awsome....

That's ok, it was my first time at the track with DR's, I was hitting the rev limiter before the end of the track, and my clutch does not disengage completely so shifting is very slow. I am getting 4.10's installed and the clutch fixed in about 3 weeks. With some practice I should be high 11's. My 60ft is still not that great 1.87.

http://www.brenspeed.com/info/media/paxtonviolator.wmv

http://www.brenspeed.com/info/media/saleendyno.wmv

Here are a couple clips ofthe paxton and saleen. If I was going centri. I would get this paxton kit cause it makes great power and from what i have read on this forum the tune from brenspeed is on the money. I must say i have seen alot of Saleen supercharged mustangs in the 11's. More than any other type FI, but this is probably because there are more of them.

Hey let me know how it runs after you fix those things I would really like to know.

ORIGINAL: zkiller

The two top choices for a blower would be a Jenne Bell orthe best choice aBig man Whipple. Some of the Whipple buyers are real men and no matter how hard I try I can't get them to become gender confused. After the installation they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whipple Crew" where they talk track times and RWHP, and all I want to talk about is knitting and Cat Fancy Magazine (oh and baking I am a sucker for baking).

I fixed your post Z:D
Whipple or KB is the only Twin screws, and the Whipple is a complete kit...

I would take a turbo over anything but I love my paxton 2200. Its the closest s/c to a turbo IMO. The sound of the two bypass valves is awesome...

ORIGINAL: sawyer

ORIGINAL: zkiller

The two top choices for a blower would be a Jenne Bell orthe best choice aBig man Whipple. Some of the Whipple buyers are real men and no matter how hard I try I can't get them to become gender confused. After the installation they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whipple Crew" where they talk track times and RWHP, and all I want to talk about is knitting and Cat Fancy Magazine (oh and baking I am a sucker for baking).

I fixed your post Z:D
Whipple or KB is the only Twin screws, and the Whipple is a complete kit...



HAHAHAH TOO FONNNNY!

Anything but a Paxton on a Mustang is just not right. It is also the only kit that will give you 460-480RWHP out of the box.

Paxton just has so much history with the mustang.

ORIGINAL: hypersurf1

Anything but a Paxton on a Mustang is just not right. It is also the only kit that will give you 460-480RWHP out of the box.


WTF? The KB, Whipple HO and saleen kit from brenspeed.com will get you that. Read some shiot before you post people.

ORIGINAL: sawyer

ORIGINAL: zkiller

The two top choices for a blower would be a Jenne Bell orthe best choice aBig man Whipple. Some of the Whipple buyers are real men and no matter how hard I try I can't get them to become gender confused. After the installation they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whipple Crew" where they talk track times and RWHP, and all I want to talk about is knitting and Cat Fancy Magazine (oh and baking I am a sucker for baking).

I fixed your post Z:D
Whipple or KB is the only Twin screws, and the Whipple is a complete kit...



Hmmm.... I could have swore the Saleen SC was a twin screw.... I guess myself and all the other owners running Saleen SC's have been lied to.

ORIGINAL: sactown

ORIGINAL: sawyer

ORIGINAL: zkiller

The two top choices for a blower would be a Jenne Bell orthe best choice aBig man Whipple. Some of the Whipple buyers are real men and no matter how hard I try I can't get them to become gender confused. After the installation they join some alternative lifestyle thing they call the "Whipple Crew" where they talk track times and RWHP, and all I want to talk about is knitting and Cat Fancy Magazine (oh and baking I am a sucker for baking).

I fixed your post Z:D
Whipple or KB is the only Twin screws, and the Whipple is a complete kit...



Hmmm.... I could have swore the Saleen SC was a twin screw.... I guess myself and all the other owners running Saleen SC's have been lied to.

The Saleen is a coffee grinder with two screws to compress the coffee......j/k
The Saleens are bad azz as well;)

Man I guess I picked a good topic.While all of you are helpfull (well except the guy that can't figure out witch S/C he wants to rename). I am still up in the air I will probly just send my car to Brenspeed & let them handle it. Thats where I have gaot all my other parts. I just want to spend my money one time on the nicest S/C I can get. I really don't want to put one on & the car not be as fast as I want. I learned a long time ago ask questions there is no dumb ones use all the awnsers to figure out what you want. I would rather spend a good amout of money now then regret my choice & spend double.. The guys over at Brenspeed have been awsome to deal with so far & I have not seen a bad post about them yet. So I think I will just trust them to get me the power I am wanting & I will test the car from there... I ask this queston to this form cause you guys have done alot & the shops in dallas all are over priced or stick it to you once they tear your car down.. Like the guys that did my 4.10s I ended up paying $729.00 for my gears & my car has 989 miles on it. after the quote of $524.00 out the door. So I guess I am going to keep taking advise. But ultimatly Let Brenspeed Handle It....

I do got another Question what about Magnuson????????????

Dude stick with what the majority people are using. There isa reason you never see people using Magnuson on our stangs. I think its a roots style blower which isnt gonna give you the efficiency of a twin screw which has a muchwiderpowerband.

What kind of powerband are you looking for?

Twin screw: instant torque...feels like a big block...whines under wot
Centrifugal: belt driven turbo...power band claims steady from roughly 3000rpm until you let off the gas...
single turbo: big torque and horsepower..begins making boost as early as 2200 and makes full boost by 3000...hits hard and does not stop pulling but does stopincreasing power by 6200

Like I said previously though. For a turbo you want a taller gear to put more load on the turbo. 4.10's are not an ideal gear for that. If I didnt have a turbo I would probably have a saleen or whipple.

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

I do got another Question what about Magnuson????????????

That is almost like saying what about the Turbonator....It's not apples to apples.

Ok. not a Magnuson.
I think I will go whipple or K.B.

im saleen all the way. i have to get my other sheet which is higher but look at my boost. ill run all you whipples and kbs, ill put my money where my mouth is, i got your back sactown

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Jesus Christ! Whyh does everyone on this site buy into the whipple myth? If you spend some time and PM the right people you will see that for what you want the whimmple may not be your best option. The Saleen SC makes more power at lower boost than either the the KB or whipple, if you dont believe me PM mustard05 or read his post*(he is a very good friend of mine). And every whimple owner will come back and say "my SC make more power at 10psi than the Saleen, but that is not true, what is true is that they do not need to run a pulley as small as the Saleen to make the same the boost, but at the same psi the saleen is a much better SC than either of those. Now don't quote me on this but, it seems to me that the whimples make more boost on the same size pulley as the Saleen, they just don't make the same power. Personally I don't care which direction you go , but please read,study and ask, before you spend.

What stage saleen is that???/ that isn't the 475hp is it/

I am runnign the 475hp upgrade with a Steeda CIA, and a custom tune and that is it.

Wait, that is it as far as HP upgrades everything else is to make it work right, and yes that leaves me open to being trashed, but other than my cluthc issues, my car will keep up if not smoke most of the guys running 10psi with a KB or whimple. If you have any conserne PM mustard05 he is making crazy number and running less than 10psi. I know this will piss off the whipple owners, but I am not trying to trash them/.

Man you people are F--king crazy. I think we need to get all the S/C in mid America. & you guys should race it out like Pinks Put your money where your mouth is. So far its like anything else Mine is Better than yours. Damn I guess I asked the wrong people. You guys have my head spinning. Has anyone put a S/C on & said you know this thing is ASS. Let Me know Instead of this My roster Is bigger than yours Crap

I havent seen a kit besides the Paxton that is putting down 460-480 (530-550 gross HP)wheel HP in a stock kit. Please enlighten me as to where i get a whipple that will do that?

I agree with you completely, the whole SCthing is mine isbetteryours BS! It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish, but on the same note the whimple guys tend to get a little butt hurt if you don't take their side. The KB and Saleen guys know what we have and tend to keep our mouths shut.But of course there are exceptions to that rule.

whatever, i still think mine is better. we detuned my saleen to make those numbers, we made over 500 at 10 psi. please

In the FI realm of advice and opinions all comments should start with "IMHO"...

IMHO My KB is "tits". I have a friend with an 03 Terminator and the "stock" eaton screams and puts down an impressive 398hp. Another friend has a 89 foxbody with a vortec s trim that puts down a hell of a lot more torque then my KB does....

to OP read through the KB, Whipple, FordRacing, Vortec, ATI Procharger, ect websites. Figure out if you want a street car that rides fairly well that you're comfy in(NOT A COMMUTER CAR). You want a "cone cutter" Auto-X car or a tire-melting "vett-killer". All types of rides have different power out puts at the final drive from the motor no matter what FI you choose. If you're planning on taking a 600HP car back and forth to work....you're gonna end up hating the car. If you take a 350hp car to the track, you'll end up hating the car.
With these cars, once you pass a bench-mark HP level. You have to seriously consider the "other" mods you're going to want to do (i.e. brakes, sub-frame connectors, suspension, steering and fuel mods). IMHO I found that once I hit the 450HP mark I was happy. Its a trial and error hobby though. If you aren't satisfied with the way the car handles add or subtract something. I figured that if you run the car with a mod for a while you get a feel for how the car runs with it and go from there. For example, you want to jump straight into a FI set up(good choice IMO). Don't waste money on the UDP, CMDP, CAI kits....in the end you just go blown! The KB 2.6L doesn't have any whine to it. And thats fine, my car's a sleeper anyway. The Whipple is an awesome product. I've seen the Dynos, time slips and rode in a couple whipple blown cars. Same for the Saleens. Slap one on and ride at the "out-of-the-box" boost level for a while then go from there. Take it to the track a few times, take it back and forth to work a couple times, go on a mustang cruise. See how it handles. All the twin screws hit hard when you drop the clutch, no doubt about that. And all are capable of hitting hi boost levels with HP 500+. You can do anything to any blower or engine with the right amount of money and know how. Anyone that says that a twin screw can't make xxx amount of power is talking out their ass. Talk to local and distant tuners, ask what they've seen and tuned.
In the end, no matter the choice as Moosestang pointed out to me last summer when I was tearing my hair out, trying to figure out which way I was going to go. "No matter what choice you make, you'll be happy with the outcome as soon as you stomp on the gas".

there's my $.02

ORIGINAL: sactown

I am runnign the 475hp upgrade with a Steeda CIA, and a custom tune and that is it.

Wait, that is it as far as HP upgrades everything else is to make it work right, and yes that leaves me open to being trashed, but other than my cluthc issues, my car will keep up if not smoke most of the guys running 10psi with a KB or whimple. If you have any conserne PM mustard05 he is making crazy number and running less than 10psi. I know this will piss off the whipple owners, but I am not trying to trash them/.



I think you should get the supercharger that your tuner specializes in. I live near ST motorsports and they use Whipples and KB's to build the biggest baddest TS S197s. I called them and told them what i want and adam said get the whipple. I wanted that whine!!!!! Hey sactown no one is bashing your saleen so dont get so offensive. Its all good. PS. I think ill smoke you:D

ORIGINAL: sactown

I agree with you completely, the whole SCthing is mine isbetteryours BS! It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish, but on the same note the whimple guys tend to get a little butt hurt if you don't take their side. The KB and Saleen guys know what we have and tend to keep our mouths shut.But of course there are exceptions to that rule.
I have had a KB and now a whipple. The Whipple has cooler IAT's and puts down 100 more RWHP (of course the Whipple is the 3.4).
You Saleen boys are a little testy[8D]
The ST crew is 90% Whipple and Adam has built a lot of the 10 second s197 DD out there.

ORIGINAL: sawyer

ORIGINAL: sactown

I agree with you completely, the whole SCthing is mine isbetteryours BS! It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish, but on the same note the whimple guys tend to get a little butt hurt if you don't take their side. The KB and Saleen guys know what we have and tend to keep our mouths shut.But of course there are exceptions to that rule.
I have had a KB and now a whipple. The Whipple has cooler IAT's and puts down 100 more RWHP (of course the Whipple is the 3.4).
You Saleen boys are a little testy[8D]
The ST crew is 90% Whipple and Adam has built a lot of the 10 second s197 DD out there.


Mustard will smoke you with only 10psi!:eek:

If you have no cats and long tubes you will have to run a smaller pulley to make the same psi as someone with cats and stock exhaust. There is no magic supercharger out there.

hypersurf1, you are nutz and i'm not going to do the research for you. If you like to live in your paxton fantasy world then so be it.:eek: This thread equals[:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(].

dam right i will moose, ill smoke you first since you like 30 min away from my house

Here is what I am looking for a dependable yet vette killing, tire smoking, fung stang.. I don't care witch S/C gets me there I just don't want to spend an ass load of money once I do

Any one of the SC's will get you there, and they all do tend to cost an a$$ load of money, because if you are like the rest of us knuckle heads it still won't be fast enough after the SC is installed.

BTW: the agreements about which SC is better happens everytime.

By the way I have talked with Brenspeed (witch alot of you like & respect ) they quoted me the Saleen stage 3 with S/C grind cams & a dyno tune. they say around 515hp to the wheels. :eek:I trust those guys alot. & they also have tons of clips of their Sallen kits.. & I do agree with alot of your views on the Saleen car you buy from the dealer. They are more $$$$$ weigh more, & don't dyno what they claim.. But their after market kits on a stock GT are pretty bad ass. Not the basic kits but the kits you have to spend around $6000.00 to get tuned. Those kits perform... BUT SO DO THE WHIPPLES. I HAVE WATCHED THEM DYNO ONE DOWN HERE. Here is another Whipple on the Dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT3PQoVQ0zI&feature=related it just got stonger the more they ran it 487 rwhp..............Here is a Saleen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVp_x9jonvY&feature=related... About the same so SHUT UP & RUN

EDIT: The FNG OP didn't want my opinion, so he can go get information somewhere else.

Sorry to all the rest of you that I removed my multiple paragraphs of [possibly] helpful information.

if i could do it again., i would of boght a new zo6

LOL!!!!!!! :D:D

Yeah my boss is doing the stage 3 linginfelter {or however you spell it}kit on his 07 vette.

The only problem with get what someone around me can work on!!!!!!!!!!!

All the shops in Dallas Tx. Are price gouging a$$holes.. & they all say one is better than the other do to the fact they only sell certain ones... Although like I said I may just send it to Brenspeed & let them do a stage 3 with cams or a stage 4 with a bottom end & cams..

Thanks for all of your help exx1976 that is about the 3rd person out of the 67 post on here that didn't say My roster is bigger then your so thank you for the good words & backing what I already have felt Brenspeed is the Shop for Me ;)[sm=groupwave.gif]

Quick question... Does the fact that the Saleen SC yields similar HP at 6psi make it "safer" for the engine than a KB/Whipple doing it at 10psi? I am really contemplating a SC install next spring but I am not after max HP one can squeeze out of it. All I am really after is to be able to clear 400rwhp with stock internals and have room to grow if I want. Whether it is a Whipple, KB, Saleen isn't really as important to me since they're all respectable. But if Saleen does it "safer" because of lower psi, then I'm all over it.

ORIGINAL: Live Wire

Quick question... Does the fact that the Saleen SC yields similar HP at 6psi make it "safer" for the engine than a KB/Whipple doing it at 10psi? I am really contemplating a SC install next spring but I am not after max HP one can squeeze out of it. All I am really after is to be able to clear 400rwhp with stock internals and have room to grow if I want. Whether it is a Whipple, KB, Saleen isn't really as important to me since they're all respectable. But if Saleen does it "safer" because of lower psi, then I'm all over it.


That's complete bull****! Call any reputable shop and ask them.

Of course this crap will be all over the internet and we have sactown to thank for it.

I may just put a 150 shot of nos on my **** & call it a day.I still have to put my damn hurst in. I do know with the 4.10s, cold air kit & full exhaust my **** is night & day from the stack car it was 3 weeks ago... my Sct xcal2 will be here Tues. I hear that will also make it run like a bat out of hell.. I also think I am just wanting to push around 475. to the wheels or I am going to go all out & do the whole damn motor

lol...this thread has beenhilarious to read. Supercharger boys arent suppose to fight each other. Y'all are suppose to fight against us turbo guys. We are the darkside in the FI mustang realm. ;)

Brenspeed really is great. I spent some serious $$$ with them.. I bought my turbo kit from them and other stuff. I felt like I knew themeven though I live 1000+ miles away from there shop.

ORIGINAL: meekstro

Brenspeed really is great. I spent some serious $$$ with them.. I bought my turbo kit from them and other stuff. I felt like I knew themeven though I live 1000+ miles away from there shop.


howmuch RWHP did you get & didyou send them your car or do the work yourself???? Brent says thier kits are really easy to install

ORIGINAL: meekstro

lol...this thread has beenhilarious to read. Supercharger boys arent suppose to fight each other. Y'all are suppose to fight against us turbo guys. We are the darkside in the FI mustang realm. ;)


All the Turbo stangs hang out at m0dularf0rds.com don't you know. Even the moderators over there have turbos. If you say anything bad about a turbo on a mustang over there you get a warning pm'ed to you. If you get enough warnings your blower automatically turns into a turbo.

442 rwhp 465 rwtq.... 8.6 psi...11.5 a/f ratio...14 degrees of timing....My buddy and I did the install and it wasnt that bad at all. We had access to a lift so that helped alot with running the piping under the car.

Haha...yeah actually I do know. I hang over there often. Didn't know about the warning pm's though. Kinda weird seeing how the guy that started the forum owns a saleen supercharged mustang.

ORIGINAL: meekstro

442 rwhp 465 rwtq.... 8.6 psi...11.5 a/f ratio...14 degrees of timing....My buddy and I did the install and it wasnt that bad at all. We had access to a lift so that helped alot with running the piping under the car.


How long did the install take??? & have you ran it on the track yet???

Here is a clip of a roush spanking a Saleen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irBdoky1jVQ&feature=related

I am looking for one of whipple or KB but they keep winning

Screwall you guys, my dad can beat up your dad![:@]:D

Don't be a hater Moose, I know it pains you to watch the ranks for the Saleen Crew grow!

ORIGINAL: sactown

Don't be a hater Moose, I know it pains you to watch the ranks for the Saleen Crew grow!


What pains me is watching you spread more misinformation on the internet. What's really sad is you seem proud of yourself for doing it. Saying such and such is my opinion doesn't help matters when people like Live wire are here to keep spreading it around as facts.

Keep spreading your FUD, but i'm not going to stoop to your level. Find yourself a whipple HO owner in your area and post a video of you beating him with your 6.5psi of boost.

You are officially a Saleen fanboy IMO!

I like the whipple HO, but you don't see me going around spreading BS about other superchargers.

ORIGINAL: sactown

Don't be a hater Moose, I know it pains you to watch the ranks for the Saleen Crew grow!


I fixed my sig for you, what do you think?

Install took about 20 hours, but we are meticulous and it was our first time attempting anything like that.

The 1st time we ran it was on my 20's which was a joke. Guys out there were like what are you thinking and they were right. My buddy or I couldnt break 13's. It was hilarious, but actually got to the point of seriously pissing me off.

Iput some mickey thomason drag radials on there and went 12.26 at 119 but the 60' was 1.84 soI still suck. I dont get around to running at the track much so I cant drive at all on the track, but my buddy is pretty good so if I let him practice some he could probably do a little better.

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



ORIGINAL: exx1976

My Saleen was installed by Brenspeed. A great option. Now, to contribute to the thread (in a totally non-scientific manner, of course):

Standard disclaimer: This thread is made up entirely of MY opinions, and is not backed by any hard facts or anything other than observations I have made. YMMV.


There's a local guy who has a KB. Makes pretty good power, whines pretty good (you can still hear it over his Pypes mid-muffler setup). I don't like it. Why? It looks like a giant chrome heat sink bolted to the top of his engine, and after a couple runs on it, when you open the hood, it feels like one too. High IATs (which Sawyer mentioned).

I read a lot about the Whipples. They seem to be a pretty solid kit, however, I don't like the way they look. That whole rear-feed blower thing with the strange elbow and the inlet that sticks off at a weird angle. A wonderful kit it may be, and in my book, it certainly ranks over KB, but it just wasn't that aesthetically pleasing to me.

Centrifugals - I HATE the way they sound. Too high-pitched and too much "whistle". Plus they make the engine compartment seem cluttered to me, with all that extra intake piping and whatnot.

Turbos - I didn't even look into them. Sure, they probably make WONDERFUL power, and for drag racing, there may not be a better option, but... A Turbo Mustang? It just didn't sound right to me. Mustangs should have blowers, in my book.

Saleen - a good twin screw, from a very reuptable company. Yes, I know it's boost limited (in it's stock form) to ~15 or 16 PSI, but I figured (when I bought it) that I'd never want to go above that anyway. Now? I'm not quite so sure. I know I want to go through the bottom end this winter, and then crank it up to like 12 or 14 PSI and see what happens. But, there's always the Shaker kit, and the JDM sheetmetal top-hats, and lots of other stuff. Either way, to me, it looked like it BELONGED in the engine compartment. The TB mounts to close to the stock location, so the inlet tube isn't all funky lookin, and the whine from it isn't SUPER loud, so I do still have a LITTLE bit of stealth left in me (especially with the side exhaust - hard to hear the blower when it's wide open with the exhaust SCREAMING like that!).

If I had it ALL to do over again, knowing what I know now? I'd still get a Saleen. It's just a pretty kit, and it makes the kind of power I want. I'm not trying to be Sawyer, and make 800rwhp. While I think that is INCREDIBLY cool and I am MAD jealous, I honestly think I'd kill myself in that car, and that would NOT be cool. I just recognize the fact that at this point in my life, I need the driver mod, and so 800 wheels = death for me. LOL

Whatever you decide, it doesn't matter. As others have said - get something that someone near you can work on, and no matter what it is, it'll make gobs more power than stock, and when the hood's closed, the power is all you'll know when you mash it. They'll all put a smile on your face.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

Don't be a hater Moose, I know it pains you to watch the ranks for the Saleen Crew grow!


What pains me is watching you spread more misinformation on the internet. What's really sad is you seem proud of yourself for doing it. Saying such and such is my opinion doesn't help matters when people like Live wire are here to keep spreading it around as facts.

Keep spreading your FUD, but i'm not going to stoop to your level. Find yourself a whipple HO owner in your area and post a video of you beating him with your 6.5psi of boost.

You are officially a Saleen fanboy IMO!

I like the whipple HO, but you don't see me going around spreading BS about other superchargers.

easy moose, you cant compare his car to yours, and on his same set up his best mph is 116, dont remember his time, also you have 4.10 gears. on the same pully sactown has on his car i was trapping 121mph also, so yes i beat hge can beat. also he is not spreading b.s. making the same amount of power at less boost is safer on a motor. how would you think its not. and you are the whipple apoke person. trust me. and me and you have had this battle before under my other screen name. yo bought what was best for you, thats good, but the days of heasring the k/b andf whipple name and thinking omg are over. but whatever, you trap 117 on 10 psi and i trapped 121 and 7.43 while sactown actually does the same. yo tell me whos more efficient

[quote]ORIGINAL: blackS197

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



thats retarded. so if i putcobra emblem on my gt it makes it look more mean by your way of thinking. please

Hey Must,

All Moose needs to do is up the boost and bank on you anytime. While you are stuck with nothing else to do to your car but a new paint job.

ha, i just noticed you both rasn the same exact times. great point made moose. im not trying to piss you off, im just doing what your doing to sactown to you, its all in love bro, at least from me

Is there an echo in here?

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



ORIGINAL: exx1976

My Saleen was installed by Brenspeed. A great option. Now, to contribute to the thread (in a totally non-scientific manner, of course):

Standard disclaimer: Thispost is made up entirely of MY opinions, and is not backed by any hard facts or anything other than observations I have made. YMMV.


There's a local guy who has a KB. Makes pretty good power, whines pretty good (you can still hear it over his Pypes mid-muffler setup). I don't like it. Why? It looks like a giant chrome heat sink bolted to the top of his engine, and after a couple runs on it, when you open the hood, it feels like one too. High IATs (which Sawyer mentioned).

I read a lot about the Whipples. They seem to be a pretty solid kit, however, I don't like the way they look. That whole rear-feed blower thing with the strange elbow and the inlet that sticks off at a weird angle. A wonderful kit it may be, and in my book, it certainly ranks over KB, but it just wasn't that aesthetically pleasing to me.

Centrifugals - I HATE the way they sound. Too high-pitched and too much "whistle". Plus they make the engine compartment seem cluttered to me, with all that extra intake piping and whatnot.

Turbos - I didn't even look into them. Sure, they probably make WONDERFUL power, and for drag racing, there may not be a better option, but... A Turbo Mustang? It just didn't sound right to me. Mustangs should have blowers, in my book.

Saleen - a good twin screw, from a very reuptable company. Yes, I know it's boost limited (in it's stock form) to ~15 or 16 PSI, but I figured (when I bought it) that I'd never want to go above that anyway. Now? I'm not quite so sure. I know I want to go through the bottom end this winter, and then crank it up to like 12 or 14 PSI and see what happens. But, there's always the Shaker kit, and the JDM sheetmetal top-hats, and lots of other stuff. Either way, to me, it looked like it BELONGED in the engine compartment. The TB mounts to close to the stock location, so the inlet tube isn't all funky lookin, and the whine from it isn't SUPER loud, so I do still have a LITTLE bit of stealth left in me (especially with the side exhaust - hard to hear the blower when it's wide open with the exhaust SCREAMING like that!).

If I had it ALL to do over again, knowing what I know now? I'd still get a Saleen. It's just a pretty kit, and it makes the kind of power I want. I'm not trying to be Sawyer, and make 800rwhp. While I think that is INCREDIBLY cool and I am MAD jealous, I honestly think I'd kill myself in that car, and that would NOT be cool. I just recognize the fact that at this point in my life, I need the driver mod, and so 800 wheels = death for me. LOL

Whatever you decide, it doesn't matter. As others have said - get something that someone near you can work on, and no matter what it is, it'll make gobs more power than stock, and when the hood's closed, the power is all you'll know when you mash it. They'll all put a smile on your face.

Yea tell that to your fellow saleen buddy exx. I must have seen multiple posts saying the only thing he can knock on the whipple is for looks. Its all personal preference.


ORIGINAL: mustard05

[quote]ORIGINAL: blackS197

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



thats retarded. so if i putcobra emblem on my gt it makes it look more mean by your way of thinking. please

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Hey Must,

All Moose needs to do is up the boost and bank on you anytime. While you are stuck with nothing else to do to your car but a new paint job.


what the hell does that mean, moose will tell you ill beat him. ill beat you to, this is all a game of how deep your pockets go buddy

ORIGINAL: mustard05

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: sactown

Don't be a hater Moose, I know it pains you to watch the ranks for the Saleen Crew grow!


What pains me is watching you spread more misinformation on the internet. What's really sad is you seem proud of yourself for doing it. Saying such and such is my opinion doesn't help matters when people like Live wire are here to keep spreading it around as facts.

Keep spreading your FUD, but i'm not going to stoop to your level. Find yourself a whipple HO owner in your area and post a video of you beating him with your 6.5psi of boost.

You are officially a Saleen fanboy IMO!

I like the whipple HO, but you don't see me going around spreading BS about other superchargers.

easy moose, you cant compare his car to yours, and on his same set up his best mph is 116, dont remember his time, also you have 4.10 gears. on the same pully sactown has on his car i was trapping 121mph also, so yes i beat hge can beat. also he is not spreading b.s. making the same amount of power at less boost is safer on a motor. how would you think its not. and you are the whipple apoke person. trust me. and me and you have had this battle before under my other screen name. yo bought what was best for you, thats good, but the days of heasring the k/b andf whipple name and thinking omg are over. but whatever, you trap 117 on 10 psi and i trapped 121 and 7.43 while sactown actually does the same. yo tell me whos more efficient



I can compare anything I want. Sactown is comparing your car to a stock gt with a whipple. What size pulley are you running now? I know exactly who you are and I wouldn't meet you to race for any amount of money, with any amount of power. Where's your time slip where you trapped 121mph on 6.5psi? I know, you lost it, you don't save them, blah, blah, blah. My car is full weight by the way, spare, jack, everything. You to kids need to stop trying to pass this stuff off as facts. I can find plenty of dyno numbers over 500rwhp for a 10psi whipple.

You seemed like an ass the day I met you and you still do.

dude, r u gay, im not gonnas fight with you over looks, this is not queer eye for the straigt guy.

ORIGINAL: mustard05

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Hey Must,

All Moose needs to do is up the boost and bank on you anytime. While you are stuck with nothing else to do to your car but a new paint job.


what the hell does that mean, moose will tell you ill beat him. ill beat you to, this is all a game of how deep your pockets go buddy


By the way, what happened to blackhorse05? Get banned?

ORIGINAL: mustard05

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Hey Must,

All Moose needs to do is up the boost and bank on you anytime. While you are stuck with nothing else to do to your car but a new paint job.


what the hell does that mean, moose will tell you ill beat him. ill beat you to, this is all a game of how deep your pockets go buddy

Yep, just spend more money and your car WILL go faster:eek:Follow the money.....literally

nope, not at all asshole. would you like me to. hey yall im mustard as well.let me tell you moose, your a fu cing tool. you think you know it all because you make a ass load of post and read all sorts of stuff then reuse it like you areaddy knew it and then all these groupies on this site flock tou you like your god. just for the recdord when we met, you were the ass not me, i tried to talk with you, and ill you cared about was my numbers and i couldnt give you any because i had none to give you. get over it you jealous pompass prick. do you really think any blower is better that any other., do you really think all the saleen crap i say i mean. dude, s/c are s/cs, it doesnt mateer thier almost all the fricken same, the biuggest different is not the hp but the way they look fu c bag. and about you tellin sac hes saleen poster child or whatever you said, you must be sucking off whipple and giving them a reach around when your doing them in the ass while getting a commision. stop the promoting if you want other people to stop, but wait, everyone has a opinion dont they, so stop complaing, and yes, making 430 at 6 psi is better and safer than making 430 at 10 psi moron, i thought with all the reading you do you woulod of figured that out by now. and just so you know i chandes name because my car is yellow not black, and i didnt get banned unlike you from mod fords and if they did ban me from here who gives a ****.and yes i dont care about time slips and vids but at the end of the day,whatever, you know ill walk your ass so whats the point, but hey, next time i see you at gainsville, ill make sure i run you and post the slips and vid, then youll be happy, but until you can atleast break 121 or higher, i sit back and wacth while you make post on the internet

I ran a 12.5 @ 110 while hitting the rev limiter 100ft before the end of the track and with a bad clutch also. So yes I think I am making just as much hp @ 6.5psi as you are @ 10psi, if not a little more. BTW my car is also completely weighed down jack, tire, back seat, and half tank of 91 octane.

ORIGINAL: sawy
Yep, just spend more money and your car WILL go faster:eek:Follow the money.....literally


i respect you in every aspect, i hope you know the argument does not include the 3.4 i take my hat of to you sir

ok, so im blackhorse, we got that out of the way, screw you moose, i just wanted to say that.

the only thing i give you respect for is the clutch change, but my respaect for you satrts and stops thier

Just to let you know may best trap is 115.8, and that is with the stock 3.55's and street tires. My 12.5 is also with the stock 3.55's, it seems to me that with your 4.10s and 10psi of boost you should be running much faster times than me, especially with all that claimed extra HP.

let it go sactown, moose is so right, i though about it and i think im going to get a whipple, hey, do you think they make a whipple for my o8 raider, or my 06 ninja or my 07 eclipse, i think im going to put a whipple on all of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irBdoky1jVQ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<A ROUSH KICKING THE HELL OUT OF A SALEEN.. CAN'T FIND A WHIPPLE GETTING BEAT BY A SALEEN OR A ROUSH YET.. BUT I'M LOOKING

try finding our body style for one thing. and make sure its s/c specific.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_wbA4fywAA
this is good footage of SALEENS THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH & E.A.D MUSTARD05. Don't be so amotional.... its still a good clip

I am going to the track May 4th Sunday for Fast Ford day, if I find a mustang with a whipple I will run him bad clutch, 3.55s, and hitting the rev limiter, if I win great if he wins that is fine. But according to you he should kill me because of his 10psi of boost. I will post the vid either way. Just an FYI the new clutch, flywheel, prothane mounts, 4.10s, fixed tuneand spyder shaft install will start May 10th, after clutch is broke in, we will see who truely is faster.

You knowMustard your right, I will start my disassembly tonight, maybe if I am lucky I can find someone to give my POS Saleen SC to.

i highly dought youll be able to give away the saleen s/c, maybe you can turn into a nice table or chair

Not for nothing but boost is boost. There is no way that 6.5 psi will make as much HP as 10psi unless there are some serious tune differences. Both TS designs take approx the same HP to drive so if similiar tune the 10psi will always put out more HP. A turbo can make more HP at a lower psi simply cause there is not much cost to drive the turbo. The only reason that the Paxton 2200 puts out so much HP stock is its pushing 12psi at 6200rpm with the stock pulley. More psi=more HP. I am sure a saleen, whipple, KB, or Procharger will all put out similiar numbers at the same boost level. Pick your weapon they are all pretty much the same in operation.

ORIGINAL: mustard05

let it go sactown, moose is so right, i though about it and i think im going to get a whipple, hey, do you think they make a whipple for my o8 raider, or my 06 ninja or my 07 eclipse, i think im going to put a whipple on all of them


You should get a whipple. You can make 498rwhp and 478rwtq with the canned tune on a completely stock gt. Change the 3 to an E, i hate this websites blocking policy!

http://www.modd3dmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623 (http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623)

How's that hypersurf1?

Mustard, I think you are full of yourself. No one is impressed with all the crap you buy.

ORIGINAL: hypersurf1

Not for nothing but boost is boost. There is no way that 6.5 psi will make as much HP as 10psi unless there are some serious tune differences. Both TS designs take approx the same HP to drive so if similiar tune the 10psi will always put out more HP. A turbo can make more HP at a lower psi simply cause there is not much cost to drive the turbo. The only reason that the Paxton 2200 puts out so much HP stock is its pushing 12psi at 6200rpm with the stock pulley. More psi=more HP. I am sure a saleen, whipple, KB, or Procharger will all put out similiar numbers at the same boost level. Pick your weapon they are all pretty much the same in operation.


Thanks for having some common sense. Now if you could just see that plenty of people make 460-480rwhp with other kits.:eek:

ORIGINAL: sactown

Just to let you know may best trap is 115.8, and that is with the stock 3.55's and street tires. My 12.5 is also with the stock 3.55's, it seems to me that with your 4.10s and 10psi of boost you should be running much faster times than me, especially with all that claimed extra HP.


I never claimed any extra horsepower. You are a seriously confused individual. You make as much hp as me, so you claim, so you should be closer to me. I'm using the canned tune. Do you have your timeslip that you trapped 115? What was the rest of it? Did you do any weight reduction?

you guys are funny...

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Yes I have the time slip, I keep all my time slips I will scan it in Monday and post it. I don't remember the time, but I don't think it was good, I was on street tires. I may be a little confused at time, but it is usually from the tequilla. Unforutunately I am carringall the stock weight on the car, and a little extra (beer belly).

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BTW: I love the new sign, now everytime you post something you will be thinking about me.

Maybe all the TS guys should just get together grab some beers then hit up a camaro meet.:D

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Maybe all the TS guys should just get together grab some beers then hit up a camaro meet.:D


A camaro meet? Where I live that's called a trailer park.;) Seems like every teenage kid around here drives a 3rd or 4th generation camaro.

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Yea tell that to your fellow saleen buddy exx. I must have seen multiple posts saying the only thing he can knock on the whipple is for looks. Its all personal preference.


ORIGINAL: mustard05

[quote]ORIGINAL: blackS197

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



thats retarded. so if i putcobra emblem on my gt it makes it look more mean by your way of thinking. please



Dude, why are you so upset about what *MY* opinion is? And not for nothing, but you don't list your mods, do you even have a blower? I'm sorry to ask, but I don't memorize everyone on here.. :D


ORIGINAL: orangecrush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irBdoky1jVQ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<A ROUSH KICKING THE HELL OUT OF A SALEEN.. CAN'T FIND A WHIPPLE GETTING BEAT BY A SALEEN OR A ROUSH YET.. BUT I'M LOOKING


YOU, sir, are just a plain idiot. You are brand new here, you come in asking for advice and help about which blower to get, and then you proceed to bash the people that are posting stuff for you? The topic of the video you posted has already been beaten to death. Welcome to my ignore list, FNG.

Moose,
Finally something we can agree on! Maybe we should all stop the in fighting and go kick some butt-ramaro a$$!

OK, everyone to my house for some pizza and a Cannonball Run video!!! [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

Hey exx,

I do have a blower:D

Hey orangecrush,

Here is a video for you from inside a whipple 2.3 built by ST.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/In-car-camera-Irwindale-Whipple-Mustang_156322.htm

Nice video the bass from the car shock my house. Personally I wish we all lived a little closer together, I have no problem with anyone here that is running something other than a Saleen SC, and to me all this going back and forth is going to make us all try to make our cars faster. Which is a good thing, I would love for maybe Brenspeed or someone else to put together a fun run for the KB's, whipple, Prochargers, Saleen, and turbo's to battle it out, just for fun and a little trash talk'n.

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Hey exx,

I do have a blower:D


Sweet! That's much better, you gotta represent! LOL

And I'm all in for kicking camaro ass.

Or Cannonball Run DVD's, for the record. Or both. :D

ORIGINAL: sactown

Nice video the bass from the car shock my house. Personally I wish we all lived a little closer together, I have no problem with anyone here that is running something other than a Saleen SC, and to me all this going back and forth is going to make us all try to make our cars faster. Which is a good thing, I would love for maybe Brenspeed or someone else to put together a fun run for the KB's, whipple, Prochargers, Saleen, and turbo's to battle it out, just for fun and a little trash talk'n.


Serious. Allof usFI s197 guys need to meet up and go vette hunting. Maybe we should start the TS club. Just a thought..... haha
We should all unite!

There's three locals (including me) that call ourselves the "blower club". An 04 S281SC vert, an 05 KB coupe, and me. It's fun. A couple weekends ago we boxed in a C5. KB up front, S281 out back, and me next to him throwing side exit exhaust in his window. It was AWESOME!!! I'm pretty sure he went home and cried. LOL

I would love to go Vette hunting with anyone on this forum, just here is sac/nor cal I don't see a lot of SC/turbo mustang owners, I can think of about 10 off the top of my head. And most are doing it just for show.

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Hey orangecrush,

Here is a video for you from inside a whipple 2.3 built by ST.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/In-car-camera-Irwindale-Whipple-Mustang_156322.htm


Awsome video I thank you for that..

ORIGINAL: exx1976

ORIGINAL: blackS197

Yea tell that to your fellow saleen buddy exx. I must have seen multiple posts saying the only thing he can knock on the whipple is for looks. Its all personal preference.


ORIGINAL: mustard05

[quote]ORIGINAL: blackS197

Well its all personal preference. KB and whipple you can actually see the blower. Saleen its just a cover. My opinion the saleen kit does not look intimidating at all since you cannot see the actual TS housing.



thats retarded. so if i putcobra emblem on my gt it makes it look more mean by your way of thinking. please



Dude, why are you so upset about what *MY* opinion is? And not for nothing, but you don't list your mods, do you even have a blower? I'm sorry to ask, but I don't memorize everyone on here.. :D


ORIGINAL: orangecrush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irBdoky1jVQ<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<A ROUSH KICKING THE HELL OUT OF A SALEEN.. CAN'T FIND A WHIPPLE GETTING BEAT BY A SALEEN OR A ROUSH YET.. BUT I'M LOOKING


YOU, sir, are just a plain idiot. You are brand new here, you come in asking for advice and help about which blower to get, and then you proceed to bash the people that are posting stuff for you? The topic of the video you posted has already been beaten to death. Welcome to my ignore list, FNG.




For the record I have thanked everyone in here that has gave an honest comment. The post are facts not talking trash..I respect anyones suggestion on the S/C.. As for you & am not at all bothered by you ignoring me.. You don't seem very smart anyway..

As for those of you that have gave me good info THANK YOU SAC,MOOSE, BLACKS197& All OTHERS I DIDN'T WRITE..

LIKE I said not bashing just putting up what i have watched. I guess you scipped the post about Sallens EXX, LIKE I POSTED BEFORE READ ALL BEFORE TALKING SMACK.

AS FOR BEING NEW I BOUGHT MY CAR 1 MONTH AGO.. & I HAVE BUILT A FEW SHOW TRUCKS WITH PLENTY OF HORSE POWER.. OH & A FEW MAG COVERS WHEN I OWNED MY CUSTOM SHOP.. SO EXX SORRY I WASN'T A MEMBER BEFORE I BOUGHT MY CAR..IDIOT...OH & THE REASON I HAVE ASKED IS CAUSE I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE GOOD VIEWS IN HERE..90% HAVE BEEN { 10% HAVE BEEN PEOPLE LIKE EXX WITH A.D.D THAT CAN'T READ ALL JUST WHAT THEY WANT}
LIKE I SAID IDIOT

ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THE 90% THAT ARE SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER

ORIGINAL: orangecrush


For the record I have thanked everyone in here that has gave an honest comment. The post are facts not talking trash..I respect anyones suggestion on the S/C.. As for you & am not at all bothered by you ignoring me.. You don't seem very smart anyway..

As for those of you that have gave me good info THANK YOU SAC,MOOSE, BLACKS197& All OTHERS I DIDN'T WRITE..

LIKE I said not bashing just putting up what i have watched. I guess you scipped the post about Sallens EXX, LIKE I POSTED BEFORE READ ALL BEFORE TALKING SMACK.

AS FOR BEING NEW I BOUGHT MY CAR 1 MONTH AGO.. & I HAVE BUILT A FEW SHOW TRUCKS WITH PLENTY OF HORSE POWER.. OH & A FEW MAG COVERS WHEN I OWNED MY CUSTOM SHOP.. SO EXX SORRY I WASN'T A MEMBER BEFORE I BOUGHT MY CAR..IDIOT...OH & THE REASON I HAVE ASKED IS CAUSE I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE GOOD VIEWS IN HERE..90% HAVE BEEN { 10% HAVE BEEN PEOPLE LIKE EXX WITH A.D.D THAT CAN'T READ ALL JUST WHAT THEY WANT}
LIKE I SAID IDIOT

ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THE 90% THAT ARE SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER


That's funny, because I think most 5th graders know the difference between WITCH and WHICH.

[sm=joke.gif]

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

Here is what I am looking for a dependable yet vette killing, tire smoking, fung stang.. I don't care witch S/C gets me there I just don't want to spend an ass load of money once I do



Any s/c can do that for you but the best bang for the buck vette killer is the paxton 2200. At only 430rwhp ( had it de-tuned) I smoked a new c6 ( I did a write up on it a few weeks ago). One reasonI wanted a supercharger was to be able to smoke vettes and this kit has delivered!

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: mustard05

let it go sactown, moose is so right, i though about it and i think im going to get a whipple, hey, do you think they make a whipple for my o8 raider, or my 06 ninja or my 07 eclipse, i think im going to put a whipple on all of them


You should get a whipple. You can make 498rwhp and 478rwtq with the canned tune on a completely stock gt. Change the 3 to an E, i hate this websites blocking policy!

http://www.modd3dmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623 (http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623)

How's that hypersurf1?

Mustard, I think you are full of yourself. No one is impressed with all the crap you buy.

what the hell are you talking about. why would i impress anyone with things i buy, i dont even have my mods listed you idiot. you should really stop acting like you truly know me you ignorant prick. there are people that know me on this site personally and will vouch that im actually the complete oppsite of every of every claim you make about me.if i was a show off i would have all the mods and stuff i bouth and pics and etc etc.

as for hp and boost levels. well it is in the tune you tool. not only in the tune but also in the design of the blower. i made 452 on a 3.6 pully at almost 8 psi. but it was all in my tune, that tune was made agressive. just because you sit on a computer and read and read and read doesnt make you an expert. and honestly a lot of people on this forum fall into the same category you fall into. the only people on this forum with real knowlege hardly show themselves but thier are a few. your a joke,and get off the time slip thing buddy. what is it with you and people having to prove things to you. i dont have one time slip from over the past 4 years,i dont have one because its just a peice of paper that doesnt mean a thing to me, you should learn to trust a little, and if i was a showoff you bastard i would save everyone and always tyake video and always talk about my times etc etc, but guess what, i dont even do that

in the end i think your happy with your choice, and im happy with mine. we can leave it at that. all i ask now is that you stop presuming to know me. i ask you stop before you piss me.

also just so you know, i havent done much weight reduction, ive prob dropped almost a hundred pounds.

Why mention all the vehicles you own if not to try and impress someone? I've worked with plenty of kids that are compulsive liars, so forgive me if I don't believe you.

You've allready pissed me off.

ORIGINAL: mustard05

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: mustard05

let it go sactown, moose is so right, i though about it and i think im going to get a whipple, hey, do you think they make a whipple for my o8 raider, or my 06 ninja or my 07 eclipse, i think im going to put a whipple on all of them


You should get a whipple. You can make 498rwhp and 478rwtq with the canned tune on a completely stock gt. Change the 3 to an E, i hate this websites blocking policy!

http://www.modd3dmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623 (http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2005/65353-whipple-owes-me-explanation-dyno-results.html#post1037623)

How's that hypersurf1?

Mustard, I think you are full of yourself. No one is impressed with all the crap you buy.

what the hell are you talking about. why would i impress anyone with things i buy, i dont even have my mods listed you idiot. you should really stop acting like you truly know me you ignorant prick. there are people that know me on this site personally and will vouch that im actually the complete oppsite of every of every claim you make about me.if i was a show off i would have all the mods and stuff i bouth and pics and etc etc.

as for hp and boost levels. well it is in the tune you tool. not only in the tune but also in the design of the blower. i made 452 on a 3.6 pully at almost 8 psi. but it was all in my tune, that tune was made agressive. just because you sit on a computer and read and read and read doesnt make you an expert. and honestly a lot of people on this forum fall into the same category you fall into. the only people on this forum with real knowlege hardly show themselves but thier are a few. your a joke,and get off the time slip thing buddy. what is it with you and people having to prove things to you. i dont have one time slip from over the past 4 years,i dont have one because its just a peice of paper that doesnt mean a thing to me, you should learn to trust a little, and if i was a showoff you bastard i would save everyone and always tyake video and always talk about my times etc etc, but guess what, i dont even do that

in the end i think your happy with your choice, and im happy with mine. we can leave it at that. all i ask now is that you stop presuming to know me. i ask you stop before you piss me.

also just so you know, i havent done much weight reduction, ive prob dropped almost a hundred pounds.

All the Turbo stangs hang out at m0dularf0rds.com don't you know

I like both sites. Each offers something a little different.

To blackhorse05 & mustard05 -

Thanks for admitting to violating MF Rule #9. That makes our job so much easier.

ORIGINAL: moosestang
<snip>

What pains me is watching you spread more misinformation on the internet. What's really sad is you seem proud of yourself for doing it. Saying such and such is my opinion doesn't help matters when people like Live wire are here to keep spreading it around as facts.

</snip>


Relax,I wasn't spreading anything as fact; my post was more inquizitive than anything. I retract the word 'fact' in my original post and replace it with 'appearance' - hows that. Based on the numbers people in this thread are getting, 400+ rwhp is very achievable with the Brenspeed Saleen Stage2 kit... as it is and then some with the Whipple kit... but at 6.5psi. Unlike most of the people around here, I'm a fanboy of no SC, but simply looking for the safest kit for my car.

LIKE I SAID IDIOT
what the hell are you talking about......i dont even have my mods listed you idiot...... you ignorant prick.
You've allready pissed me off


Guys....I guess that's a no to the pizza? OK, how about beer and a Cannonball Run DVD?!!

hey doc, is that snow ever gonna melt? :D

let's get a nice, sunny pic on there please

ORIGINAL: 28HopUp

To blackhorse05 & mustard05 -

Thanks for admitting to violating MF Rule #9. That makes our job so much easier.


then maybe when users pm all mods at the time with a question about if you can change your name because you got another munstang thats a different color, i wouldnt have to get another account, but dod what you have to do

[quote]ORIGINAL: moosestang

Why mention all the vehicles you own if not to try and impress someone? I've worked with plenty of kids that are compulsive liars, so forgive me if I don't believe you.

You've allready pissed me off.


so, would you like me to take pictures right now. and remember buddy you started this crap, i can play all day

you get all huffy puffy moose, your so easily made mad, you should relax, try having sex once in a while man, or smoke a joint or something, just relax

ORIGINAL: drbobvs

LIKE I SAID IDIOT
what the hell are you talking about......i dont even have my mods listed you idiot...... you ignorant prick.
You've allready pissed me off


Guys....I guess that's a no to the pizza? OK, how about beer and a Cannonball Run DVD?!!



Im down for some pizza. Saleen crew buys!

ORIGINAL: mustard05



so, would you like me to take pictures right now. and remember buddy you started this crap, i can play all day


Uhhggggg! I don't care what you have, but i'd like to see that 121mph trap speed on a dated timeslip when you only had a 3.6 inch pulley. You should be easily trapping 130 with your new found power.:eek:

ORIGINAL: SONICBOOST3

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

Here is what I am looking for a dependable yet vette killing, tire smoking, fung stang.. I don't care witch S/C gets me there I just don't want to spend an ass load of money once I do



Any s/c can do that for you but the best bang for the buck vette killer is the paxton 2200. At only 430rwhp ( had it de-tuned) I smoked a new c6 ( I did a write up on it a few weeks ago). One reasonI wanted a supercharger was to be able to smoke vettes and this kit has delivered!


thanks for that you rock

i am expecting 125 to be honest, but if i trap more i will be happy, and it not new found power, it a pulley swap, you should try it since your suck the s197 s/c guru

ORIGINAL: Black GT

ORIGINAL: orangecrush


For the record I have thanked everyone in here that has gave an honest comment. The post are facts not talking trash..I respect anyones suggestion on the S/C.. As for you & am not at all bothered by you ignoring me.. You don't seem very smart anyway..

As for those of you that have gave me good info THANK YOU SAC,MOOSE, BLACKS197& All OTHERS I DIDN'T WRITE..

LIKE I said not bashing just putting up what i have watched. I guess you scipped the post about Sallens EXX, LIKE I POSTED BEFORE READ ALL BEFORE TALKING SMACK.

AS FOR BEING NEW I BOUGHT MY CAR 1 MONTH AGO.. & I HAVE BUILT A FEW SHOW TRUCKS WITH PLENTY OF HORSE POWER.. OH & A FEW MAG COVERS WHEN I OWNED MY CUSTOM SHOP.. SO EXX SORRY I WASN'T A MEMBER BEFORE I BOUGHT MY CAR..IDIOT...OH & THE REASON I HAVE ASKED IS CAUSE I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE GOOD VIEWS IN HERE..90% HAVE BEEN { 10% HAVE BEEN PEOPLE LIKE EXX WITH A.D.D THAT CAN'T READ ALL JUST WHAT THEY WANT}
LIKE I SAID IDIOT

ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THE 90% THAT ARE SMARTER THAN A 5TH GRADER


That's funny, because I think most 5th graders know the difference between WITCH and WHICH.

[sm=joke.gif]


Good catch man, thanks! I wasn't going to go so far as to point out his sub-standard spelling/grammatical issues (even though I normally do), so thank you! :D

ORIGINAL: blackS197
Im down for some pizza. Saleen crew buys!


I suppose, but only if the Whipple crew buys the beer!!!

where did I spell something wrong?? Oh well who gives a damn

hey doc, is that snow ever gonna melt? :D
let's get a nice, sunny pic on there please

[sm=bustedsign.gif]I know I know, but with the weather being so great this week I've too busy driving and not busy enough with the camera. I'm doing my shorty's hopefully on tuesday and I promise I'll have a new pic by the weekend.[sm=smiley4.gif]

:D ok, sounds good

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

where did I spell something wrong?? Oh well who gives a damn


Which, in the subject title of your post. I was meaning to say something every time this post went to the top. Edit your original post and fix the title, please.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: orangecrush

where did I spell something wrong?? Oh well who gives a damn


Which, in the subject title of your post. I was meaning to say something every time this post went to the top. Edit your original post and fix the title, please.



damn.....thanks I looked at everything else i wrote.. I am a Dumba$$

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.

With that being said if you ever plan on building a motor and running 20psi or more then you will need to go with something other than a Saleen SC currently they are only good for about 15psi, at least until the new Shacker hood setup comes out, but no one I know of has numbers on that yet.


LOL you are the only one here that would believe that statement. So tell me how a lower displacement twin screw will move more air and make more power? Remember an engine is nothing else than an air pump the more air you get in the higher the hp. The saleen is great if you want to keep your engine with stock internals and such. You can't pass 14 psi on a stock saleen blower. If you want under 650hp go with the KB, The KB is = to the Whipple but after 12ish psi the KB is argueably better. Now that being said if you want over 650 and you still want a blower go with the whipple 3.4L or a turbo.

Andrew

ORIGINAL: sactown

You may want to rethink your "if its good enough for ford racing", trust me take some time do some research for stock block applications, the Saleen is the way to go. I am not trying to knock the other SC on the market, but maybe you should be saying "if its good enough for Saleen" remember they do make the most powerful mustangs on the market, even more power than the super snake, check out the HC302SC or the new extreme, they are using the same SC I am.


News flash kiddo Ford Racing uses whipple superchargers :) The only saleen s/c that is on a production based ford car is on the f-150 pick up trucks the harley if I am not mistaken.

Andrew

ORIGINAL: hypersurf1

Anything but a Paxton on a Mustang is just not right. It is also the only kit that will give you 460-480RWHP out of the box.


Yeah put a paxton and kiss your powerband goodbye. BTW say good buy to full boost at anywhere before the redline lol. Personally turbo is the way to go. You just can't beat 438/480tq @ 7psi full boost @ 2.7k

Andrew

ORIGINAL: meekstro

What kind of powerband are you looking for?

Twin screw: instant torque...feels like a big block...whines under wot
Centrifugal: belt driven turbo...power band claims steady from roughly 3000rpm until you let off the gas...
single turbo: big torque and horsepower..begins making boost as early as 2200 and makes full boost by 3000...hits hard and does not stop pulling but does stopincreasing power by 6200

Like I said previously though. For a turbo you want a taller gear to put more load on the turbo. 4.10's are not an ideal gear for that. If I didnt have a turbo I would probably have a saleen or whipple.


If you see lower #'s at high rpms on hp that is because ur turbo is mated wrong. The thing is there are so many aspects on turbo sizing that people forget about it. It is not only just front and compresor size. You gotta take into consideration the wheel size, What stage it is, the design of the impeller. They are over 12 variables on a turbo.

Andrew

ORIGINAL: Androdz2

ORIGINAL: hypersurf1

Anything but a Paxton on a Mustang is just not right. It is also the only kit that will give you 460-480RWHP out of the box.


Yeah put a paxton and kiss your powerband goodbye. BTW say good buy to full boost at anywhere before the redline lol. Personally turbo is the way to go. You just can't beat 438/480tq @ 7psi full boost @ 2.7k



Yeah I was just looking at turbo kits..........still don't know a good brand

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: meekstro

lol...this thread has beenhilarious to read. Supercharger boys arent suppose to fight each other. Y'all are suppose to fight against us turbo guys. We are the darkside in the FI mustang realm. ;)


All the Turbo stangs hang out at m0dularf0rds.com don't you know. Even the moderators over there have turbos. If you say anything bad about a turbo on a mustang over there you get a warning pm'ed to you. If you get enough warnings your blower automatically turns into a turbo.




Exactly the thing with turbo mustangs are most turbo mustangs already had a s/c at one point in their life and will never go back where as the people that say turbo's suck never have had a turbo in their life a limited experience with dynosaur era turbo's in the 80's. And post most of their BS from things they read on their net similar to this kid with the saleen kit.

ORIGINAL: sactown

Jesus Christ! Whyh does everyone on this site buy into the whipple myth? If you spend some time and PM the right people you will see that for what you want the whimmple may not be your best option. The Saleen SC makes more power at lower boost than either the the KB or whipple, if you dont believe me PM mustard05 or read his post*(he is a very good friend of mine). And every whimple owner will come back and say "my SC make more power at 10psi than the Saleen, but that is not true, what is true is that they do not need to run a pulley as small as the Saleen to make the same the boost, but at the same psi the saleen is a much better SC than either of those. Now don't quote me on this but, it seems to me that the whimples make more boost on the same size pulley as the Saleen, they just don't make the same power. Personally I don't care which direction you go , but please read,study and ask, before you spend.


Whipple myth? So tell me how in the world you at 6.5 psi are making the same power as all of YOUR SALEEN counterparts at 11ish psi??

http://www.mo du lar fords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87836&highlight=summary+saleen (http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87836&highlight=summary+saleen)
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Here are some examples:
1. 422 rwhp@6100
401 ftlb@4600
8 psi
12.0 A/F
Tuned by JDM(#1 tuner of saleen mustangs in the USA)
93 oct
Stock engine
Auto trans
3.73s
Corsa A/B

2. 12 psi.
474 rwhp
451 trq.
American Racing headers 1 3/4 and X pipe.
3.90gear
Magnaflow exhaust
Front and rear Bogarts for track. 275-60-15 MT ET street radials.
Centerforce Clutch
Dennys Steel driveshaft
AEM a/f

3.450 RWHP - 6200
438 RWTQ - ???
3.4 Pulley - Saw 8.5 lbs of boost
17 Deg timing
11.4 AFR
93 Octane
Stock engine
ARH LTs, Catted X, JDM Fuel Pumps
Manual

4. 06 Automatic GT

American Racing Headers 1 3/4" L/T's
Catted ARH H pipe
Zoomers axleback
GT500 fuel system
JDM CAI
#39 injectors
90mm Lightning MAF
Stock engine / suspension / gear

435/435 @ 16 degrees
Intercooled
10 PSI
93 Octane
11.8-12.0 AFR (don't remember exactly)
SCT tuned by JDM

5. 485/485
14 psi
18 degrees (I think)
93 octane
05 Satin Silver, IUP 5sp man, Magnaflows, Saleen Series VI S/C, Custom JDM/SCT Tune, #39 injectors, 90mm LMAF, 12.0# pulley with GI Joe 8 Rib, C&L Racer Intake. Stainless works LT's and GT500 Fuel System!!

6. 440 rwhp
421 trq

Manual
Intercooled Saleen Series VI
Boost: 9.8 lbs top of run
3.6 pulley
93 octane

ORIGINAL: Androdz2

ORIGINAL: sactown

I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.

With that being said if you ever plan on building a motor and running 20psi or more then you will need to go with something other than a Saleen SC currently they are only good for about 15psi, at least until the new Shacker hood setup comes out, but no one I know of has numbers on that yet.


LOL you are the only one here that would believe that statement. So tell me how a lower displacement twin screw will move more air and make more power? Remember an engine is nothing else than an air pump the more air you get in the higher the hp. The saleen is great if you want to keep your engine with stock internals and such. You can't pass 14 psi on a stock saleen blower. If you want under 650hp go with the KB, The KB is = to the Whipple but after 12ish psi the KB is argueably better. Now that being said if you want over 650 and you still want a blower go with the whipple 3.4L or a turbo.

Andrew


how did i make 452 rw on a 3.6. at 7 to 8psi. and right now 480 at 9.85 psi. your coorect on most of what you said but first off you must realize 80% of users on the and other forums will never see a need to reach that much horsepower muchless a want or a need. as for all these t/s blowers in the 400 to 500 range i do belive saleen isd the best. i believe most people are stuck in the old days when you heard it has a whipple or kb and you thought omg. his blower makes 430 something at 6.5 psi. do i believe yes. actually i know his tuner because his tuner is a close personal friend of mine.my tuner is well known actually in the tuning world. if you know so much then youll know of the ttford gt that makes 1400 hp,then youll know mt tuner. its all in the tune. i belive a custome tune vs a canned tune is what the real argument here is. ive never really seen numbers from a custom tuned whipple at 8 or 10 psi, mostly because i dont care but i know thier out thier. that doesnt mean much. until people realize a dyno sheet with numbers mean nothing, we will always have this argument.

yes ford racing uses whipples. i believe his stament is in reference to saleen vehicles sold at ford dealerships, but if you didnt realize that then your really stupid, or your trying to make him stupid. no pun intended to you.

as for blowers and capability, i see the saleen having more potential in the end or the same as other. only the future will tell. i.e. the new snorkel and the ability to port these blower. i asume the k.b. and whipple are portable but im not sure

7.
My 05 (Garage Queen)Peak RWHP and RWTQ SAE - 445/427
Intercooled
Boost pressure - 11.8 psi
Pulley size - 3.2"
Total timing - Can't remember
AFR - 11.5
Fuel octane - 93
Engine related mods that affect H/P: Ford Racing Performance Parts: 4.10 Gears Ceramic Coated Shorty Headers 39 lb./hr. Injectors Autolite: HT0 Spark Plugs (Gapped @ .035”) Magnaflow: Axle Back Exhaust Tru-X Pipe w/High Flow Cats C&L: “Racer” Intake Tube w/Bump Hose & Clamps Saleen: Series VI Supercharger JDM Engineering: 3.2” (11.5 PSI) Supercharger Drive Pulley 90mm MAF Housing w/Lightning MAF Sensor & Conversion Harness Cold Air Intake Lowered Prothane “Bullet” Engine Mounts GT 500 Fuel Pump, FPDM & Harness GT 500 Throttle Body, Spacer, Bump Hose & Clamps Intercooler Relay Kit w/switch SCT: Excalibrator 2 Tuner VMP Tuning: Custom Tune (Strategy FBHR2G4 - PCM Code BKT3) Granatelli: Coil on Plug Coil Packs with Connectors Ford: V10 Water Pump Pulley
Headers - FRPP Shortys
Auto8. Wife's 06 - Grocery Getter
Peak RWHP and RWTQ SAE - 420/404
Intercooled
Boost pressure - 8.7psi
Pulley size - 3.6"
Total timing - Can't remember
AFR - 11.5
Fuel octane - 93
Engine related mods that affect H/P: Ford Racing Performance Parts: 39 lb./hr. Injectors Autolite: HT0 Spark Plugs (Gapped @ .035”) Magnaflow: Tru-X Pipe w/High Flow Cats C&L: “Racer” Intake Tube w/Bump Hoses & Clamps Saleen: Series VI Supercharger JDM: 3.6” (7.5 PSI) Supercharger Drive Pulley 90mm MAF Housing w/Lightning MAF Sensor & Conversion Harness Cold Air Intake Lowered Prothane “Bullet” Engine Mounts Intercooler Relay Kit w/o switch SCT: Excalibrator 2 Tuner VMP Tuning: 93 Octane Custom Tune - Processor Code SRV0 (Strategy FBLF1G2)Headers - stock manifolds
Auto
Note: engine mods only as that is only what you asked for

Mods since dyno tune: FRPP GT 500 fuel pump kit 3.2" S/C pulley (currently making 12 psi) V10 W/P pulley FRPP GTA axlebacksMods on deck: 3.73 gears w/Detroit Tru-Trac

That is enough I think we should all congratulate sactown for getting the jesus christ of all saleen kits.

Andrew

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Anything but a Paxton on a Mustang is just not right. It is also the only kit that will give you 460-480RWHP out of the box.


Yeah put a paxton and kiss your powerband goodbye. BTW say good buy to full boost at anywhere before the redline lol. Personally turbo is the way to go. You just can't beat 438/480tq @ 7psi full boost @ 2.7k



Yeah I was ju