Grudge against JL? No. I just think it's they sport a rediculous price tag for the quality and performance of their equipment.
149? Wasn't a real meter I can assure you that. I did 148.8 on a junk meter with a pair of PAcoustik FUBAR's in with 1 cu each when they call for like 2.5 each sealed. In a trunked car, no sound deadening.
You ran a $1200 JL system and did that, tell you what im going to a dB drag tonight and I have my... $150... $125....
I have a $600 system in a friends Blazer were putting on a termpro here in about 6 hours, i'll let you know tomorrow how that went.
Why would I care? I haven't had that system in 8 years. Maybe I'm not hip to all the new stuff all the cool kids use. I used to work in a stereo shop, and that's what I liked. So friggin sue me. When I did run JLs, I didn't use their amps. So I couldn't tell you crap about them. All I ever used of theirs for myself were W0s, but I installed plenty of the other lines. You can make almost anything sound good if you know what the hell you're doing.
Why would I care? I haven't had that system in 8 years. Maybe I'm not hip to all the new stuff all the cool kids use. I used to work in a stereo shop, and that's what I liked. So friggin sue me. When I did run JLs, I didn't use their amps. So I couldn't tell you crap about them. All I ever used of theirs for myself were W0s, but I installed plenty of the other lines. You can make almost anything sound good if you know what the hell you're doing.
If you can make anything sound good, why would you spend twice on a JL product that sounds worse then a number of other cheaper drivers.
JL makes good equipment, but they are not the best. They are also highly regarded by many of the ignorant followers of car audio that think there is nothing better becuase thats the best thier local store carries.
I didn't say they are the absolute very best. I just like them, and think the lower lines they make are a great value. I would never teall anyone to spend $600 plus on any friggin speaker at all. I don't care if it's solid gold. I used to get W0s for $70. So you tell me if I'm paying twice what a good sub costs, which good subs can I get for 35? Oh, and I didn't say you can make anything sound good. I said "almost anything." I actually think kickers are a better sub than JL, but they get a little expensive too. They, like JL, produce a good value product in their lower line cvr though. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.
why? because the JL stuff will still be working in 5 yrs, probably 10 if you don't mess with it too much. From my point of view as an installer the difference is that you can send it out the door and KNOW that it can take it... I might be wrong and some of you guys might be rocking your ED equipment for the next decade but will you bet me? How much? I'll take it, hell double it.....
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Why would I care? I haven't had that system in 8 years. Maybe I'm not hip to all the new stuff all the cool kids use. I used to work in a stereo shop, and that's what I liked. So friggin sue me. When I did run JLs, I didn't use their amps. So I couldn't tell you crap about them. All I ever used of theirs for myself were W0s, but I installed plenty of the other lines. You can make almost anything sound good if you know what the hell you're doing.
If you can make anything sound good, why would you spend twice on a JL product that sounds worse then a number of other cheaper drivers.
JL makes good equipment, but they are not the best. They are also highly regarded by many of the ignorant followers of car audio that think there is nothing better becuase thats the best thier local store carries.
(TTOC i may be reading ur post wrong not sure if ur being sarcastic) not rocking ED but ill put my dd or cactus up against any jl sub and i will bet whatever you want that mine will last longer get louder and take anything u can give it (has been for over 2 years) with double the rms rating and most of the times beyond its max limit. Ive seen many w7's in action and i wouldnt send anything more then 1200 to that sub or ur going to be needing new coils. JL does not over build any of there products u better run whatever there rated at or ur going to be replacing no wiggle room with there speakers. Amps are ok but 500 to 700$ for a 1000watt amp?? cmon now i can get a better built amp that will produce 3 times that much power for the same price.
Boss i know you wouldnt pay more then 600$ for a sub (im talking real subs not ur w7's or solo's) because you dont understand what quality is. Its actually alot cheaper in the long run. My CS was lil over 1100$ for the sub but over the past 2 years if i had went with JL/RF/Kicker i would have done replaced (or reconed) many of those subs by this time hence your not really saving money when u have to buy 6 kicker l7's over the course of a year!! But the best then no need to replace!!
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I never say JL is junk, I have and would always be fine with running JL, but I better get one hell of a deal on it. If all of their prices were cut in half, I wouldn't have the opinion on JL that i do. It's far overpriced for the performance you get.
Myself even if the price was resonable i still wouldnt. Even if they set the sub at real market value then i could still think of atleast 10 other companys id rather run be it spl or sq. But whatever floats ur boat i say. They are pretty ill give them that but so are audioblahs.(ill admit jl is better then audioblah but u get my drift)
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Im the same way, there is still options out there even if their prices were half of what they are, but that's the only way I would even begin to consider them, that doesn't mean I would be all over it if it was half price, just means I would look at their products to see if they had something that would work better for my application.
I didn't say they are the absolute very best. I just like them, and think the lower lines they make are a great value. I would never teall anyone to spend $600 plus on any friggin speaker at all. I don't care if it's solid gold. I used to get W0s for $70. So you tell me if I'm paying twice what a good sub costs, which good subs can I get for 35? Oh, and I didn't say you can make anything sound good. I said "almost anything." I actually think kickers are a better sub than JL, but they get a little expensive too. They, like JL, produce a good value product in their lower line cvr though. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.
You really are retarded.... Kicker better then JL is worse then galavanting about your boner for JL.
FYI, a couple months ago I purchased two ED EQHS 12's brand new shipped to my house for $38. ED also recenly offered the 13Ov2D4 for $70 plus shipping. The EQHS's are close to W0's, but the O series will destroy even a W3.
I state my honest opinion and you call me retarded eh? Everyone has their own preference, so sue me. I've been out of the circuit for a while and don't even know what the hell EDs are. They don't sell the real high high line stuff around here in the most western corner of KY. JL, Kicker, and maybe Orion are about the best that the local dealers carry that I know of. So if these EDs that I keep hearing about are so great, why are they so cheap and where can I get my freaking hands on some?
I am not really talkin about subs or even speakers in general. They are a consumable product in car audio that WILL wear out no matter what you do to it. I am willing to bet that nobody else here has subs that they are currenly playing that are over 15yrs old except me but I honestly feel lucky to get this out of these speakers and expect the surround to rot off any day.
I am really talking more about amps then speakers. Subs like W7s are just not made for nor played by people that want to have a resonable sounding longterm system. Being in the bay you get your hands on alot of stuff and see what lasts and what does not. Old pg, rf, alpine(I am talking 10+yrs old) still comes in looking like it was dragged down the block behind the car still powers up and works fine.
I have not said a single bad thing about ED, I just said come and see me after 10 yrs after you bought your ED and I bought my JL and see who has the more valuable product?
why compare ur jl just to ed?? i know of a few people still running hx2's (over 5yo). know quite a few still running armageddons and i know there over 5yo. But like uve stated older is better always. As far as amps i know ur talking older ones but for 1000 watts of jl power for 500-1000$ it fing better last 10years cause that would be its only real selling point. But i will admit 15years is one hell of a life span for a speaker of any caliber.
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