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McCain.
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I don't vote.
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Their all a bunch of punks
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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/21/2008 10:15:30 PM   
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he is extremely frugal, i have no doubt he could accomplish it. take a look at his campaign finances hes the only one who didnt take out huge loans and still has money left over. then look at his congressional dist he actually returns money at the end of the year, who could ever imagine a surplus?? granted everything he wants wouldnt be accomplished, but he is the most honest and sincere of them all and does what he preaches!

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/21/2008 11:11:16 PM   
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I think we're splitting hairs here about either being at war/in a war, whatever. My point was it was taking soldiers and money away from other more important problems.

And I guess it was "regime change".  Still, that "regime" was not responsible for 9/11

I think that terrorism is a pretty big problem. Are there other problems that need to be takin care of? Of course. But are they more important than fighting terrorism? In my book no, but maybe for you?



UGH....ahhhh*

dammit, im tired of hearing people projecting us fighting the war like actually winning the war on terrorism is possible. The world, let alone the US, will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be safe from terrorism. Why? Because its based off ideas and beliefs. Namely religion, and unless WE (U.S) decide to eliminate religions then there will ALWAYS be terrorism. Just look up the deffinition of terrorism and tell me anyone wouldnt fall under that very deffinition.

I hope people do realize that to other religions perspectives that WE are terrorists ourselves. Its nothing more than 2 children pointing at eachother, "NO! It YOUR fault because..."
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Obama not holding his hand over his heart? I guess if it were that important it wouldnt have been takin out of public schools then....?

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of allegiance? Or... - 4/22/2008 11:30:12 AM   
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Yes you should ALWAYS believe things that are emailed.

Bunch of crap, all of it....Got one today telling me how G. Bush's tax cuts were helping low end families and Democrats would "raise your taxes".  I guess they'll never let this scare tactic go.





It's true. They already said they would let the present tax cuts expire, so they go up. Gotta pay for their lame ass programs someway.

One of those lame ass programs we need taxes to pay for would be that war georgey boy started.







No, not the war. It has served it's purpose. We got rid of a bad man. Got our foot hold in the region for eventual global domination, we are scaring the shyt out  of Iran and Bin. That's a good thing because when they are worried, we must be doing something right. A happy Iran, N Korea, China and Bin is a sad USA.

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 11:33:12 AM   
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I think we're splitting hairs here about either being at war/in a war, whatever. My point was it was taking soldiers and money away from other more important problems.

And I guess it was "regime change".  Still, that "regime" was not responsible for 9/11

I think that terrorism is a pretty big problem. Are there other problems that need to be takin care of? Of course. But are they more important than fighting terrorism? In my book no, but maybe for you?



UGH....ahhhh*

dammit, im tired of hearing people projecting us fighting the war like actually winning the war on terrorism is possible. The world, let alone the US, will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be safe from terrorism. Why? Because its based off ideas and beliefs. Namely religion, and unless WE (U.S) decide to eliminate religions then there will ALWAYS be terrorism. Just look up the deffinition of terrorism and tell me anyone wouldnt fall under that very deffinition.

I hope people do realize that to other religions perspectives that WE are terrorists ourselves. Its nothing more than 2 children pointing at eachother, "NO! It YOUR fault because..."
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Obama not holding his hand over his heart? I guess if it were that important it wouldnt have been takin out of public schools then....?






It's NOT out of public schools. It is optional but is still and always will be present. My wife makes the illegals say the pledge. Pisses them off, but they are scared of going home.

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 11:55:53 AM   
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Eh, Ron Paul gives a great soundbite and has some fantastic individual ideas about the constitution and our national responsibilities, but he takes it very far.  Withdrawal from the UN and NATO in particular seems like a bad example to set.  A pledge to never raise taxes seems unreasonable and idealized.  He has said he wants to get rid of the CIA and a raft of other government organizations that I believe are too important to get rid of.  


It's really too bad.....Paul has some ideas I really like, but then he pulls bonehead statements like this and you realize that he's an idiot.

Ash......as usual you make some points I wholeheartedly agree with like border security, and others I don't so much

Sorry, but I just don't trust Obama, think Hillary is a conniving witch who would sell her soul for power, and Mccain just doesn't cut it with me either.   Crap.....this is a very bad election. Fred Thompson looked good and I liked a lot about Duncan Hunter....*sigh*  our leadership options suck again.

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 11:59:18 AM   
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just curious, what did you like about fred thompson other than the fact that he was on Law & Order?

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 12:04:10 PM   
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just curious, what did you like about fred thompson other than the fact that he was on Law & Order?



He was in the Hunt for Red October

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 12:05:28 PM   
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He was one of the few that seemed to have a halfway decent "conservative" stance including immigration. LOL.....he didn't put much energy into it and I'm not sure that the whole thing wasn't posturing. He has great "presence" and you have to love the wife

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 12:10:35 PM   
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just curious, what did you like about fred thompson other than the fact that he was on Law & Order?





I liked him in Hunt for Red October. I trust him. He got in too late.

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 12:16:52 PM   
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just curious, what did you like about fred thompson other than the fact that he was on Law & Order?



He was in the Hunt for Red October



on that note, Sam Neil for prez and Raptor Jesus for vice prez




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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 2:51:36 PM   
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Eh, Ron Paul gives a great soundbite and has some fantastic individual ideas about the constitution and our national responsibilities, but he takes it very far.  Withdrawal from the UN and NATO in particular seems like a bad example to set.  A pledge to never raise taxes seems unreasonable and idealized.  He has said he wants to get rid of the CIA and a raft of other government organizations that I believe are too important to get rid of.  


It's really too bad.....Paul has some ideas I really like, but then he pulls bonehead statements like this and you realize that he's an idiot.

Ash......as usual you make some points I wholeheartedly agree with like border security, and others I don't so much

Sorry, but I just don't trust Obama, think Hillary is a conniving witch who would sell her soul for power, and Mccain just doesn't cut it with me either.   Crap.....this is a very bad election. Fred Thompson looked good and I liked a lot about Duncan Hunter....*sigh*  our leadership options suck again.


*laugh*  Dude, most of us aren't THAT far removed from each other about certain key issues.


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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 3:24:01 PM   
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just curious, what did you like about fred thompson other than the fact that he was on Law & Order?



He was in the Hunt for Red October



on that note, Sam Neil for prez and Raptor Jesus for vice prez





is sam neil american?  I thought he was english for some reason


And everyone knows raptor jesus is canadian and actually plays hockey not basketball

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 3:26:57 PM   
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pretty sure he is, but i was gonna say Sean Connery, then i quickly realized he's scottish

but Raptor Jesus is all race and all nationalities.... because he is, after all, Raptor Jesus


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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 3:33:30 PM   
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I just checked sam neil is actually irish


and raptor jesus is from samoia

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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 3:37:23 PM   
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well crap

i'd say Jeff Goldblum, but uhhh...he's ummm to annoying, uhhh............... right


and where is Samoia? is it anywhere near Samoa?


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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 3:47:34 PM   
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screw it, you know what?


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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 8:55:08 PM   
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UGH....ahhhh*

dammit, im tired of hearing people projecting us fighting the war like actually winning the war on terrorism is possible. The world, let alone the US, will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be safe from terrorism. Why? Because its based off ideas and beliefs. Namely religion, and unless WE (U.S) decide to eliminate religions then there will ALWAYS be terrorism. Just look up the deffinition of terrorism and tell me anyone wouldnt fall under that very deffinition.

I hope people do realize that to other religions perspectives that WE are terrorists ourselves. Its nothing more than 2 children pointing at eachother, "NO! It YOUR fault because..."
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Obama not holding his hand over his heart? I guess if it were that important it wouldnt have been takin out of public schools then....?


ok... I'm not sure where to start?

First of all, terrorism is the use of terror as a tactic by means of force against innocent people.

So no... you and I (well I hope you're not) terrorists. If you mean to say the troops, then yes, some do view them that way. But not educated non-brainwashed people. They see us as a Bully, which we are often times. They see us as infidels. They want to kill us, and are willing to die in the process. They have nothing to lose, M.A.D. doesn't exist here, and our only option is to kill them first.

Second of all, you are correct, we cannot win the war on terror. That is why it must be a constant war. Not in the sense we know it today, 150K+ troops in Iraq, but we will never see peace like we did pre 9/11 again, mark my words. The extremist muslims have waged a war they call "jihad" and it will not stop during our lifetime.


Of yeah...and it is not out of public schools soo.....


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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 11:12:12 PM   
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UGH....ahhhh*

dammit, im tired of hearing people projecting us fighting the war like actually winning the war on terrorism is possible. The world, let alone the US, will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be safe from terrorism. Why? Because its based off ideas and beliefs. Namely religion, and unless WE (U.S) decide to eliminate religions then there will ALWAYS be terrorism. Just look up the deffinition of terrorism and tell me anyone wouldnt fall under that very deffinition.

I hope people do realize that to other religions perspectives that WE are terrorists ourselves. Its nothing more than 2 children pointing at eachother, "NO! It YOUR fault because..."
------
Obama not holding his hand over his heart? I guess if it were that important it wouldnt have been takin out of public schools then....?


ok... I'm not sure where to start?

First of all, terrorism is the use of terror as a tactic by means of force against innocent people.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Terrorism
Wether people are innocent or not is irrelevant

... and our only option is to kill them first.

With that logic i dont see why we arnt up Korea's a$$, or anyother nation that wants to see the U.S fall

Second of all, you are correct, we cannot win the war on terror. That is why it must be a constant war. Not in the sense we know it today, 150K+ troops in Iraq, but we will never see peace like we did pre 9/11 again, mark my words. The extremist muslims have waged a war they call "jihad" and it will not stop during our lifetime.

So instead of using the money wasted on this war into other, better things to secure the safety of our country, we'll just keep blowing that money and LIVES in to a war that has nearly equalled the number of lives lost in 9/11? All because people think that its actually eliminating terrorism?

Lets stop to think that within the past, since pre-9/11 and 1983 ( http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.html ) all the deaths total (american and non-american alike) a little near 1,200. So in 7 years we've manage to nearly quadruple the deaths for terrorists over the span of 25 years. And, needless to say, all those attacks were not from 1 single organization.
 
So in taking this war to them,  we're actually helping them kill ourselves faster.


Of yeah...and it is not out of public schools soo.....

Sorry, i should've known what i was talking about better



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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/22/2008 11:38:09 PM   
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RE: Why doesn't Obama say the pledge of alligence? Or ... - 4/23/2008 8:24:37 AM   
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