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Elwood -> Is the Camaro too late? (4/18/2008 4:50:19 PM)

Saw this in the paper today and though it might peak your interests. I'll try and copy down the jist of it:

WILL THE CAMARO ARRIVE TOO LATE FOR THE PARTY?
Factors Working Against Comeback
Martin Zimmerman-Los Angeles Times
 
The new Chevy Camaro would seem to have everything going for it: a genuinely storied tradition, a built-in fan base, even a starring role in a blockbuster movie. But as they say at the local comedy club, timing is everything. And in that regard, at least, the Camaro can't seem to get its act together.
 
General Motors Corp. expects to have the new Camaro in dealer showrooms dealer the first quarter of 2009. That would be 3 years after a Camaro concept car was unveiled as GM's entry into the current muscle car market-well behind retro rivals the Ford Mustang and the Dodge Challenger.
 
"I honestly don't understand what they're waiting for," said Dick Guldstrand of Burbank Cal. based Guldstrand Motor Sports. "(The concept) was pretty impressive, but I'm still waiting to see the real thing," said Mark Bird of the Cool Runnin' Camaros of S. Cal. Club. GM knows that more than a few of its customers are toe tapping with impatience. Designing the car around a new rear wheel platform rather than using existing architecture as did Ford and Chrystler is the main reason for the long lead time. "Maybe we showed the concept a little early," commented GM spokesperson Wendy Clark. "I know it feels like a long time, but it will be worth the wait."
 
Or will GM miss the 'sweet spot' of the muscle car rebirth. The first muscle cars were killed off by high gasoline prices, a weakening economy, new federal regulations, and rising insurance rates. Those same factors are threatening to choke off the cars' comeback before the new Camaro even reaches dealers. It doesn't that the new fuel economy standards US congress passed in Dec will make it tougher for automakers to justify selling big engined cars. The darkening outlook has squelched rumours that other muscle icons such as the Pontiac Firebird were poised for a comeback.
 
GM points out however, that the new Camaro will be available with a more fuel efficient v6 as well as a v8

That's about it. Though I am more partial to Fords and Mopars, it will be truly unfortunate if the Camaro misses the best of the revival. I figure the early unveiling is understandable too. Ford comes out with the S197's... people love them... GM has to reassure its customers that they'll have something "retro-cool" as well.

  
ThisBlood147 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/18/2008 5:41:49 PM)

GM will sell the new Camaro hands over fist.  Don't worry about that.  Whether it'll sell S197 numbers.....who knows.  Fact is that the new Camaro could come out a steaming pile of crap and there'd be plenty enough GM loyalists to sell every single one that got produced for the first two years.  The Camaro has been gone for six years, its rebirth will be a success one way or another.... regardless of its build quality, performance, or MPG ratings. 

Back in the early 70's, ppl didn't realize what the auto industry was about to suffer for the next 20 or so years.  Ppl remember those days now.  They know what they missed out on by selling their old muscle classics.  They feel that burn even today. They'll spend what they have to not to miss the next big musclecar war........gas prices, over-extended mortgages, or MPG be damned.[8D]

nineinchnail1024 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/19/2008 4:49:09 AM)

They will sell great for a year or two. Once all the fanboys have one, the camaro will die the same death it did in '02 and for the same reason: Lack of sales.

RedDevilSC -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/19/2008 10:23:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elwood

 Designing the car around a new rear wheel platform rather than using existing architecture as did Ford and Chrystler is the main reason for the long lead time.


I don't understand this statement AT ALL. The new Camaro is being built on the Zeta platform, which had been developed by GM Holden in Australia for their Commodore line. It's not like they whipped up brand spankin' new architecture just for the sake of building a Camaro. The R&D work for Zeta had already been completed by Holden.

Elwood -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/19/2008 2:42:29 PM)

Really? Hmm that's interesting.

blackonblack2007 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/20/2008 10:00:56 PM)

I think GM is trying to make the Camaro 'perfect'. They are sparing no expense to get it right the first time, which unfortunately takes a long time. I believe that they should have released it Sep 07 as an 2008 at the very latest. The Zeta platform is engineered, but GM was going to spread out the platform to mulitiple cars here in North America, at least until before the new CAFE law was passed. I think this aspect delayed the Camaro to now unfortuanately. The Camaro will sell well, but not as well as the S197. There have been rumors that Chevy will place the same 2.0L Turbo I-4 that is in the Sky/Solstice/Colbalt SS/HHR SS in the Camaro as a fuel-efficent but sporty option to help offset the V-6/V-8 engine offerings in the CAFE standings.

iraziel -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/20/2008 10:55:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nineinchnail1024

They will sell great for a year or two. Once all the fanboys have one, the camaro will die the same death it did in '02 and for the same reason: Lack of sales.


But wasnt that because the Camaro wasnt very "stylish"?

Compared to the S197 i think it looks kick ass

fordsbestcar -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/21/2008 8:20:25 AM)

I'm starting to think that the V6 eccoboost car sounds good. I hope it won't suffer the same fate as the SVO in the 80's. The key for it will be a price that is less than the GT but about the price of a mid ranged V6 now. And personally the Camaro is the ugliest of the new pony cars. The stang and challenger are both awesome looking.

Elwood -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/21/2008 3:03:51 PM)

Yeah I deff. like the Challenger and Stang a lot more. And yeah, I'd be okay with an ecoboost Stang. Rather have a V8, but that's what my Galaxie could be for [;)]

fordsbestcar -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/21/2008 6:02:55 PM)

I'd get an eccoboost for fuel economy and power. And as soon as i have an opportunity when i get that car and get out of college i'm gonna get a nice performance 5.0 for my 87 stang.

zacknolden -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/21/2008 8:34:59 PM)

I have listed down what I like on this new camaro!
Corvette Inspired 400-HP LS2 Engine
6.0 Liter Aluminum Shell Block V8
6-Speed Manual, Widely Spaced Ratios
Aggressive Acceleration & Efficient Highway Crusing
Four-Wheel Vented Disc Bakes, 14in Rotors
Sophisticated Chassis, Progressive Rate Springs
Four-Wheel Independent Suspension
5-Spoke Cast Aluminum Wheels
21inch front and 22inch rear wheels
Exposed high performance brakes

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My fresh installs: buick park avenue brakes & buick park avenue grille

nineinchnail1024 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/21/2008 9:19:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: iraziel

quote:

ORIGINAL: nineinchnail1024

They will sell great for a year or two. Once all the fanboys have one, the camaro will die the same death it did in '02 and for the same reason: Lack of sales.


But wasnt that because the Camaro wasnt very "stylish"?

Compared to the S197 i think it looks kick ass


Style is subjective. The camaro will suffer the same fate it did 6 years ago. I give it 4 or 5 years before:

A.) It recieves a major overhaul that renders it barely recognizable as a camaro (much like current monte carlos and impalas).

B.) It is cancelled completely.

LT1RUNNER -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/22/2008 12:56:28 PM)


Not a bad looking car at all if you ask me but the question in this thread is "is it too late for the Camaro?".  I think GM let alot of people down and Mustang and Dodge wil be way ahead with sales and what not so to me the answer is YES.  However I will wait and see what happends before I abandon the thought of ever owning a new Camaro.

aode08 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/22/2008 1:55:15 PM)

They are too late, about time they come out, gas prices will be $4.20 Gallon for Regular.


They give you a MPG ESTIMATE, but we all know 350's DRINK GAS.[8|]

myredgt -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/22/2008 6:44:58 PM)

quote:

aode08


but we all know 350's DRINK GAS.



I am out of the loop, but is the new Camaro running a 350?

- C

FrostByte -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/22/2008 6:51:53 PM)

6L

LS1less -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/25/2008 2:40:10 PM)

Its too late for me because I just picked up an 05 GT.  The NEW camaro doesnt remind of the old ones at all.  Initially, I enjoyed the concept but I quickly realized its not really retro looking.  GM = cant get right.

LT1RUNNER -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/25/2008 4:42:55 PM)

To bad GM doesn't read this forum and others like it then they'd know how the REAL consumers of these types of cars think.  GM is getting a bunch of smoke blown up their @#$ from the corporate sponsors and related companies who will benefit from the cars production.  I could be wrong. I will still like to see what happends.

blazingV8 -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/26/2008 6:02:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: nineinchnail1024

They will sell great for a year or two. Once all the fanboys have one, the camaro will die the same death it did in '02 and for the same reason: Lack of sales.

i agree. i like the new camaro but u just cant beat the sales of the stang. the fact is that mustangs have always outsold the camaros and even though this camaro is going to sell alot i have yet to even hear what its going to cost. i heard something ridiculous like 40-45k for the ss? thats too much money for a camaro and exactly why people will prefer the stang . just my 2 cents

SoSmoked -> RE: Is the Camaro too late? (4/28/2008 6:44:56 AM)

Now, come on be honest, whenever I and probably you see a mustang approx. 75% of the time its someone over the age of 60 driving it, its a V6, and they are usually a woman. Thats the majority of mustang sales. Maybe, if Chevy wants to try to steal away mustang fanboys(little old ladies). They could offer things like that life alert, I've fallen and can't get up thing. Or with any sale of a Camaro you get 1 year worth of depends adult diapers. No more horsepower war, IT'S THE WAR FOR OLD PEOPLE. Well if Chevy uses the SS to go against the gt500 and had around 500 hp why wouldn't you expect the price between 40-45k. Isn't the MSRP on a gt500 43k, but because of the Shelby name, limited prod., and greedy ford dealerships you won't touch one for less than 70k. When I see a gt500 and laugh at the owner and think about the dealership who went laughing at him all the way to the bank.   

  

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