60's era AMC Javelin SST and AMX (no one ever remembers the little company that tried and actually was FARAHEAD in the technology deparment and goodies that were given to the public)
90's 2JZ supra TT
ahh. i did forget about those. i change my 60's to that. we use to own a AMX hornet. was a bad ass car.
and i still say 2JZ for the 90s(alonf with the LS1). but they are/were few and far between.
Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5069
Joined: 12/4/2005 Status: offline
I think not many people gave the GNX anything because of the #'s that were made... but that's just me... same with the Cobra 'R'...
But with the Termies... They are made ungodly fast rather easily... my car brand new stickered at 35k (cheaper then the vettes and much cheaper then the z06). Yes, the C5 Z06 is faster.. The C5 is slower, the new C6 is about even from what I hear.. just a slightly better (or in my case, a lighter) driver for the Cobra to win . And obviously we won't even discuss the c6z06.. but, the fact is, is that the Terminator with simple mods/swaps... port, pulley, tires, intake and exhaust and there are people running mid 11's... that's 2k in parts w/o going into the motor... I give Corvettes a ton of credit - I really do. But, while they're easily made fast - you can't do to those cars what you can do to the terminators... people have the ability to run 17psi on a blower with a 150 shot on the stock motor/tranny... up to 700-800rwhp (in some cases) without changing ONE internal motor part... and the car brand new was 35k.
I literally had 2-3k in parts on mine (with a bad clutch quadrant) and went 2-1 vs new z06s... and the 1 I lost against was modified in it's own right, and I had a HUGE exhaust leak at the time, and barely lost (1/2 car) - I just think.. bang for buck - you can't beat the Terminator in the 2000's.... so far.
That's why the Terminator gets my vote... even over the new z06... well that, and I am admittingly a little Ford bias.... lol
I think not many people gave the GNX anything because of the #'s that were made... but that's just me... same with the Cobra 'R'...
But with the Termies... They are made ungodly fast rather easily... my car brand new stickered at 35k (cheaper then the vettes and much cheaper then the z06). Yes, the C5 Z06 is faster.. The C5 is slower, the new C6 is about even from what I hear.. just a slightly better (or in my case, a lighter) driver for the Cobra to win . And obviously we won't even discuss the c6z06.. but, the fact is, is that the Terminator with simple mods/swaps... port, pulley, tires, intake and exhaust and there are people running mid 11's... that's 2k in parts w/o going into the motor... I give Corvettes a ton of credit - I really do. But, while they're easily made fast - you can't do to those cars what you can do to the terminators... people have the ability to run 17psi on a blower with a 150 shot on the stock motor/tranny... up to 700-800rwhp (in some cases) without changing ONE internal motor part... and the car brand new was 35k.
I literally had 2-3k in parts on mine (with a bad clutch quadrant) and went 2-1 vs new z06s... and the 1 I lost against was modified in it's own right, and I had a HUGE exhaust leak at the time, and barely lost (1/2 car) - I just think.. bang for buck - you can't beat the Terminator in the 2000's.... so far.
That's why the Terminator gets my vote... even over the new z06... well that, and I am admittingly a little Ford bias.... lol
I read somewhere that the Cobra, and Shelby GT have sick hp tolerance thresholds.
But the source gave the Ford GT the most credit he said...
"The Ford GT is probably one of the few cars out there that can handle 1000+ hp on stock internals."
Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5069
Joined: 12/4/2005 Status: offline
You know there was a car on need2speed (local club im on) that had a Cobra I believe dyno at 100x rwhp.. it ran like that for a week, then kaboom... but it did hold it for a little time, lol...
Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5069
Joined: 12/4/2005 Status: offline
oh post whoring ftw... the Shelby internals aren't stronger then the Terminators.. people have been finding that out the hard way... Cracked forged rods have been holding the power... but not the abuse - from what i hear...
oh post whoring ftw... the Shelby internals aren't stronger then the Terminators.. people have been finding that out the hard way... Cracked forged rods have been holding the power... but not the abuse - from what i hear...
I wonder if it has to do with the individual setup?
I've seen a few 600+ rwhp GT500s on stock internals but...not too many.
Posts: 1278
Joined: 6/14/2007 From: San Antonio, Texas Status: offline
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
quote:
ORIGINAL: xxkazp3rxx
oh post whoring ftw... the Shelby internals aren't stronger then the Terminators.. people have been finding that out the hard way... Cracked forged rods have been holding the power... but not the abuse - from what i hear...
I wonder if it has to do with the individual setup?
I've seen a few 600+ rwhp GT500s on stock internals but...not too many.
Last I checked, the GT500's internals aren't all forged like in the Terminator's or at least I'm pretty sure... I know of at least one 6xxRWHP GT500 on this board, maybe he will help us out with some info
< Message edited by Sarge_13 -- 4/17/2008 8:52:47 PM >
Team MF Member #5002 Posts: 5069
Joined: 12/4/2005 Status: offline
No they are... the GT500 has better heads, but the bottom half of the motor isn't as strong. Where we have the Forged Manley rods, they have cracked forged... which are weaker.
No they are... the GT500 has better heads, but the bottom half of the motor isn't as strong. Where we have the Forged Manley rods, they have cracked forged... which are weaker.
Ok..
Damn So I'm sure there are lot more faster Termies out there than Shelby GTs...
Truth be told I'm not sure if the Sheblys are much faster than the Termies to begin with...
No they are... the GT500 has better heads, but the bottom half of the motor isn't as strong. Where we have the Forged Manley rods, they have cracked forged... which are weaker.
Ok..
Damn So I'm sure there are lot more faster Termies out there than Shelby GTs...
Truth be told I'm not sure if the Sheblys are much faster than the Termies to begin with...
I agree....It just goes to show you what a extra 350lbs of curb weight will do to a car with 80 more bhp..Even with a solid axle on the GT500, it still averages .2-.3 faster ET's...
I disagree with xkazz however on the Termie and C6 being even in stock form...With equal drivers, a C6 would win 10 out of 10 times..
_____________________________
2006 Corvette coupe/Corsa sport exhaust w/ mid-pipe 1999 Mustang GT/stock
The ZR-1. King of the hill, and one of the most badass motors ever assembled, even by today's standards.
If you knew how many of those things were running around with 500+ naturally aspirated WHP you'd be amazed.
Awesome motor, awesome car.
I disagree w/ this one, and here's why-
The LT5 was indeed a badass motor, I'll give you that one. I don't think it makes the cut however based solely on their exclusiveness,a nd their price when new. A ZR-1 went for 60K + back in the early-mid 90's and really didn't offer overwhelming performance. It had good performance, but it was arguable as to whether it justified the price. The engine also has little aftermarket support and is rather rare in relation to the LT1, LS1, and even LT4 that was prominent during the 90's.
They are some sweet cars, though. I've always been partial to the late C4 gen, and the ZR-1 is def the one to have. I'd take one over any C5, and even over an LS2 Vette...
_____________________________
Street/Strip Section 'OfficialcallerouterofBS'
I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
60's and 70's -- Challenger/Charger/Cuda/SSJ Cobra Jet 80's -- Fox 90's -- TT Supra 00's -- Terminator...
The Terminator is just a better deal then your average C6... and even the Z, imo.. Much cheaper, easier to mod, and you can let people sit in the back
I often wonder why the Termies are compared to the C6 when the C5 Z06 had it's number. Termie upgrades the blower, Z06 swaps the heads and cam.. Absolutely...the C5 comparison I mean...
Now the base C6's are right at $40K and run low 12s...
_____________________________
'93 notch 5spd, 50K, BBK shorties, BBK OR H, 3 chamber flows, MSD box cap and all, BBK 70mmTB, C&L 73mmMAF, March RA w K&N conical, alum DS, 3.55's, Pro 5.0, 1.73 RR's, March UDP, welded SF, ST brace, Koni's, SuspTech, custom widened rear ponys
The ZR-1. King of the hill, and one of the most badass motors ever assembled, even by today's standards.
If you knew how many of those things were running around with 500+ naturally aspirated WHP you'd be amazed.
Awesome motor, awesome car.
what about the 60's ZL1 and the 00 ZL1
Assuming you're talking about Vettes, there were only 2 Corvette ZL1's made in 1969. Only one exists today.
If you're referring to the Camaro, only 69 ZL1's were built and roughly 42 are remianing today. So they are both far too rare to be considered defining of the mainstream auto realm. As for the '00ish ZL1, that was just a one-off show car.....
_____________________________
Street/Strip Section 'OfficialcallerouterofBS'
I wanna be a nonconformist just like everyone else......
The ZR-1. King of the hill, and one of the most badass motors ever assembled, even by today's standards.
If you knew how many of those things were running around with 500+ naturally aspirated WHP you'd be amazed.
Awesome motor, awesome car.
I disagree w/ this one, and here's why-
The LT5 was indeed a badass motor, I'll give you that one. I don't think it makes the cut however based solely on their exclusiveness,a nd their price when new. A ZR-1 went for 60K + back in the early-mid 90's and really didn't offer overwhelming performance. It had good performance, but it was arguable as to whether it justified the price. The engine also has little aftermarket support and is rather rare in relation to the LT1, LS1, and even LT4 that was prominent during the 90's.
They are some sweet cars, though. I've always been partial to the late C4 gen, and the ZR-1 is def the one to have. I'd take one over any C5, and even over an LS2 Vette...
I would take a C4 ZR1 over any current Vette, except the new ZR1 and C6Z......It's tough to find a well kept ZR1 for sale....Most folks won't let them go..
_____________________________
2006 Corvette coupe/Corsa sport exhaust w/ mid-pipe 1999 Mustang GT/stock
50's- Ford ThunderBird/Chevy Corvette..... 60's- Ford Mustang 70's- Chevy/Ford/Dodge Vans....It was cool to own a van in the 70's 80's- Ford Taurus/Dodge K-cars/Dodge mini-vans...All three of these cars were lifesavers for Ford and Dodge which might have went belly up if it was'nt for the success of these vehicles 90's- SUV's 00's-Hybrids...specificly the Toyota Prius
_____________________________
2006 Corvette coupe/Corsa sport exhaust w/ mid-pipe 1999 Mustang GT/stock
Printable Version
RE: Car of the Decade - 
