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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 3:23:47 PM
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I don't agree with it. I believe by 2010 the super street pounders are gonna be the f/i c6 corvettes.
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:03:02 PM
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I think its funny you guys are defining a performance decade that hasnt even STARTED yet for Christs sake. Nobody knows whats gonna be rolling around In 2019, so stop putting that on your list. ZR-1 is a killer, somebody makes something faster. Or tries. Same thing happened to the Ford GT and McLaren F1.
'30s - Flathead V8s and stripped Ford duece roadsters were king and definitely defined that era of hot rodding and performance. Flathead V8 was king until the Chevy pushrod V8s hit the scene.
'40s - What are now "cheap" Ford roadsters still hold the scene as the hot rod of choice amongst everyone. Bowtie pushrod V8s didnt hit the scene until '55 or '56, cant remember, and these light buckets ruled the streets.
'50s - First fuel injected V8 moves the C1 Corvettes into the head of the pack. Chevy "rat" V8s destroy all else until Mopar and Ford catch on.
'60s - A few cars here. First and foremost is the '64 Pontiac Tempest LeMans GTO, first muscle car ever. The 389ci powered Tempest set the tone for the next seven years of American performance, which was dominance by torque and straight line acceleration. Ford introduces the 427ci FE medium-block V8s in Glaxy 500s, Fairlanes, and most importantly, the A/C Shelby 427 SC Cobras, which were the fastest cars from 0-100-0 for quite some time. You couldnt buy a production from America that would run a Shelby 427 Cobra from a stop light. Period.
Honorable Mention:
SS Camaros, Novas, and Chevelles
Challenger/Cuda
Stingray Corvette
428CJ/SCJ Mustangs, Boss Mustangs, 390ci+ FE powered anything with two doors
'70s - Boss 429 Mustang was a decade pinnacle, being the only big-block mustang ever made. MOPAR's 426 Hemi 'Cuda in '70 and '71 was a street animal. The '70s marked the worst era of American automobiles ever made, with the gayest of mustangs after '72, the lamest of Corvettes, and the four-dooriest of Novas. AMC couldnt cut it, F-Body TransAms and Camaros poured freely into trailer-parks all over America, and everyone was very sad.
'80s - Only good thing to come out of 1979, the fox-body mustang! GNX might have been king of the streets, but nobody could afford them, and the high-tec turbocharged 3.8L V6 puzzled most with its modern suspension and cooky intake with multiple diameter intake runners. 5.0L LX set the tone for modern performance with EFI H.O 5.0L V8s in a light car. Best bang-for buck of the decade, defines the decade.
'90s - LT1 power hits F-Body cars in '94, and they cleaned house. SN95 mustang couldnt keep until the introduction of the 32valve 4.6L Cobras, and even then, the F-Bodys had too much raw torque. Later the LS1 hits F-body cars and remain kings until literally 2000.
'00s - Mustang Cobra power hits the streets in 2003 and 2004. Offering 12.4xx capabilities from the factory, a six-speed manual trans, and a severely underrated 390hp, the aptly dubbed "terminator" cobras can make and handle over 900hp with the factory block, rotating assembly, and heads/cams. C6 corvette Z06 and Ford GT hit the streets as well. showing the European automobiles up at less than a third of the price.
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:14:14 PM
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Morbid Intentions
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60's and 70's -- Challenger/Charger/Cuda/SSJ Cobra Jet
80's -- Fox
90's -- TT Supra
00's -- Terminator...
The Terminator is just a better deal then your average C6... and even the Z, imo.. Much cheaper, easier to mod, and you can let people sit in the back 
I often wonder why the Termies are compared to the C6 when the C5 Z06 had it's number. Termie upgrades the blower, Z06 swaps the heads and cam..
Now the base C6's are right at $40K and run low 12s...
there was a bolt on blower swapped terminator running at ubly last year... I don't recall the MPH but he was running 10.4's-10.6's... I remember a busa that was there wanted to run him and after the 1/8 the terminator started gaining and only lost by about 2 cars
I highly doubt an LS2 car in any trim is going to pull low-mid 10's with so little put into it
also, VMP tuning has a KB GT500 with bolt on's doing mid-high 9's 
sure you could spray the vette and it could make up that performance per dollar problem but just an H/C LS2 will be hard pressed to even keep up with a blower swapped and tuned cobra
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:21:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: Morbid Intentions
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ORIGINAL: MrRogers
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ORIGINAL: xxkazp3rxx
60's and 70's -- Challenger/Charger/Cuda/SSJ Cobra Jet
80's -- Fox
90's -- TT Supra
00's -- Terminator...
The Terminator is just a better deal then your average C6... and even the Z, imo.. Much cheaper, easier to mod, and you can let people sit in the back
I often wonder why the Termies are compared to the C6 when the C5 Z06 had it's number. Termie upgrades the blower, Z06 swaps the heads and cam..
Now the base C6's are right at $40K and run low 12s...
there was a bolt on blower swapped terminator running at ubly last year... I don't recall the MPH but he was running 10.4's-10.6's... I remember a busa that was there wanted to run him and after the 1/8 the terminator started gaining and only lost by about 2 cars
I highly doubt an LS2 car in any trim is going to pull low-mid 10's with so little put into it
also, VMP tuning has a KB GT500 with bolt on's doing mid-high 9's
A bolt on blown C6 LS2 might surprise you.
The best pass in a CAI/DR C5 Z06 is 11.7 I beilieve. So a moderate F/I setup or Cam and head swap should do the trick.
It's not very hard to make LS engines more powerful than they are..
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:27:30 PM
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who said anything about blowing the LS2/LS6? you specifically said a heads and cam LS6 corvette vs a blower swapped terminator... in which the terminator would walk away rather briskly
you aren't pulling the "well you have FI" excuse are you? because that gets old after awhile
dollar for dollar the terminator is king
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3oTLV7Z45Q
^^^ that blower swap is about 3K BTW... putting a blower on a LSX motor is about 2-3 times more
just because I own an LS2 doesn't mean I am blinded by it, and with that being said I beleive the terminator is the car that defined the 00's... maybe because the fact it came out of nowhere by fords SVT department and took the streets by suprise, and maybe because they are so cheap to make godly fast... but the termie gets my vote for this era
the LS1 had it's throne in the 90's IMO
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:52:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: Morbid Intentions
who said anything about blowing the LS2/LS6? you specifically said a heads and cam LS6 corvette vs a blower swapped terminator... in which the terminator would walk away rather briskly
you aren't pulling the "well you have FI" excuse are you? because that gets old after awhile
dollar for dollar the terminator is king
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3oTLV7Z45Q
^^^ that blower swap is about 3K BTW... putting a blower on a LSX motor is about 2-3 times more
just because I own an LS2 doesn't mean I am blinded by it, and with that being said I beleive the terminator is the car that defined the 00's... maybe because the fact it came out of nowhere by fords SVT department and took the streets by suprise, and maybe because they are so cheap to make godly fast... but the termie gets my vote for this era
11.21x @ 122.30 - Dr Ron -2003 Z06 - Headers, Vararam, clutch, tstat, tune, ETStreets, skinnies. <---Bolt ons. No power adder
9.70x @ 137.99 - bottleman - original 1997 Ls1 , Vette doctors H/C. 175 shot - chrome wheels D/Rs Stall.
10.515 @ 128.98 - REDGAR - 1999 A4 - 402 LS2, intake, CAI, headers, catback, tuning
BTW, nice video. Do you like this one ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsoN157-M00
Or this one ------> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZFPE3CZzBs
Youtube is not a great place to try to prove points. Any video you find, I can find another that says the complete opposite. 
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 4:59:38 PM
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lol you would argue a wet dream, it shows in the other thread.... everything you just posted doesn't prove anything I've said wrong at all, it just says "BLARG! LSX IS GOD!!!!".... dollar for dollar the terminator will come out ahead and in abbundance... and this is why it defined the 00'S
heres the kicker
IN MY OPINION
your biased opinion is noted, and quite frankly I'm not giving into it when you try to force it. you can try to force your opinion in the other thread though... that clustermess seems to be working out just fine
talking to you is like trying to talk to a brick wall, a brick wall that criticizes others opinions but thinks it's own are fact
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 5:04:00 PM
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 5:11:20 PM
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MrRogers
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lol you would argue a wet dream, it shows in the other thread.... everything you just posted doesn't prove anything I've said wrong at all, it just says "BLARG! LSX IS GOD!!!!".... dollar for dollar the terminator will come out ahead and in abbundance... and this is why it defined the 00'S
heres the kicker
IN MY OPINION
your biased opinion is noted, and quite frankly I'm not giving into it when you try to force it. you can try to force your opinion in the other thread though... that clustermess seems to be working out just fine
talking to you is like trying to talk to a brick wall, a brick wall that criticizes others opinions but thinks it's own are fact
1. Morbid, by all means you don't have to quote me and reply if you just want to state your own opinion.
2. Knowing our history, why do you even start?
3. Again you drift off topic... With insults.
4. The other thread has nothing to do with this one.
Speaking of the other thread, see how long people can have a difference of opinion without going personal? (*Hint*-*hint*) (*Wink*-*wink*) (*Caugh*Caugh*)
For the longest time, I thought you had a problem with me, then I remembered a certain "GTO vs Terminator" thread... You know..that one where you argued with Terminator owners about their cars? LOL
I'm sorry but you have no credit to speak on Termies.
Now if Doodad or XxkasperxX tells me somehing, i'll take it to that bank. But you?
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When the Sh** hits the fan, don't go crying to JD like you normally do. Heck I'm here to talk cars. Not support your need for attention.
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 5:14:49 PM
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50's- First vettes
60's- Tough choice here, but I would say the Cuda's, then cobras, then SS camaro.
70's- 78ish Trans am
80- Fox Bodies, and then the GNX
90's- Supra
Early 2000's- 03/04 Cobra
Now- The Vette
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 5:40:42 PM
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Duplicate post.
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 6:01:17 PM
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I think its funny you guys are defining a performance decade that hasnt even STARTED yet for Christs sake. Nobody knows whats gonna be rolling around In 2019, so stop putting that on your list. ZR-1 is a killer, somebody makes something faster. Or tries. Same thing happened to the Ford GT and McLaren F1.
'30s - Flathead V8s and stripped Ford duece roadsters were king and definitely defined that era of hot rodding and performance. Flathead V8 was king until the Chevy pushrod V8s hit the scene.
'40s - What are now "cheap" Ford roadsters still hold the scene as the hot rod of choice amongst everyone. Bowtie pushrod V8s didnt hit the scene until '55 or '56, cant remember, and these light buckets ruled the streets.
'50s - First fuel injected V8 moves the C1 Corvettes into the head of the pack. Chevy "rat" V8s destroy all else until Mopar and Ford catch on.
'60s - A few cars here. First and foremost is the '64 Pontiac Tempest LeMans GTO, first muscle car ever. The 389ci powered Tempest set the tone for the next seven years of American performance, which was dominance by torque and straight line acceleration. Ford introduces the 427ci FE medium-block V8s in Glaxy 500s, Fairlanes, and most importantly, the A/C Shelby 427 SC Cobras, which were the fastest cars from 0-100-0 for quite some time. You couldnt buy a production from America that would run a Shelby 427 Cobra from a stop light. Period.
Honorable Mention:
SS Camaros, Novas, and Chevelles
Challenger/Cuda
Stingray Corvette
428CJ/SCJ Mustangs, Boss Mustangs, 390ci+ FE powered anything with two doors
'70s - Boss 429 Mustang was a decade pinnacle, being the only big-block mustang ever made. MOPAR's 426 Hemi 'Cuda in '70 and '71 was a street animal. The '70s marked the worst era of American automobiles ever made, with the gayest of mustangs after '72, the lamest of Corvettes, and the four-dooriest of Novas. AMC couldnt cut it, F-Body TransAms and Camaros poured freely into trailer-parks all over America, and everyone was very sad.
'80s - Only good thing to come out of 1979, the fox-body mustang! GNX might have been king of the streets, but nobody could afford them, and the high-tec turbocharged 3.8L V6 puzzled most with its modern suspension and cooky intake with multiple diameter intake runners. 5.0L LX set the tone for modern performance with EFI H.O 5.0L V8s in a light car. Best bang-for buck of the decade, defines the decade.
'90s - LT1 power hits F-Body cars in '94, and they cleaned house. SN95 mustang couldnt keep until the introduction of the 32valve 4.6L Cobras, and even then, the F-Bodys had too much raw torque. Later the LS1 hits F-body cars and remain kings until literally 2000.
'00s - Mustang Cobra power hits the streets in 2003 and 2004. Offering 12.4xx capabilities from the factory, a six-speed manual trans, and a severely underrated 390hp, the aptly dubbed "terminator" cobras can make and handle over 900hp with the factory block, rotating assembly, and heads/cams. C6 corvette Z06 and Ford GT hit the streets as well. showing the European automobiles up at less than a third of the price.
My thoughts exactly! this is exactly what i would had put but also would like to add
60's era AMC Javelin SST and AMX (no one ever remembers the little company that tried and actually was FARAHEAD in the
technology deparment and goodies that were given to the public)
90's 2JZ supra TT
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 6:10:39 PM
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Where's the Delorean on the list? That was the coked up Yuppie car to have back in the day. And it could time travel. Flux capacitor parts were hard to come by though.......
In all seriousness, what exactly defines "defines"? And I take it we are limiting this to performance cars, huh.
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RE: Car of the Decade - 4/17/2008 6:17:54 PM
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I'm going to give my opinion based on out of the box performance and aftermarket support to the best of my knowledge.First it's hard as hell to use 1 car to define a whole decade but I'll try!
60'sToughest of all to define so you get two choices.
1963 Vette,First year with the new bodystyle and the 327,Arguably the best smallblock produced,Bore stroke ratio.
1968 1/2 428 Cobra Jet Mustang.I'm pretty sure that all in attendance could vouch for this car.
70's 71 Boss 351,Massive potential but in the hands of few.
Any pre 73 340 equipped Mopar.They come with valve angles the small block chevy would kill for and they will keep up with a Hemi car when this motor is in a 340 Swinger.
1980's No brainer Fox body Mustangs ran circles around everybody.Only car that was better GN Buick.No where near a decade defining car though.
1990's again Fox till 93' Then comes the LT1 camaros obviously till 97 LS1 vettes and 98 F bodies.
2000's So far The LS1 F bodies,Terminators and now the C6 Vette,Though pricey,Still a hot performance buy at 45K base.
Remember that these are opinions based in fact.You'll no doubt note the absence of the 64 GTO,Started a tren,Didn't define the decade.70's T/A's and Z's.Love em but really weak performers other than the ram air and Super Duty T/A's and Formulas.LT1 Nova gets an honerable mention no doubt,Sorry love the 71 Boss 351,lots of potential right before the performance era ****ted out.The rest stand as written.
now for the factory freaks that really ruled!
60's A/C Shelby 427 Cobra,68 Hurst S/S Hemi Darts and Cudas,10's off the showroom floor.Still dominate their class.
70's I'm going to go ahead and call the Baldwin Motion cars,Guaranteed to run 11 flat or your money back!Damn we need that again.Some went 10's.Badass!
80's and up had so many freaks I can't remember so I'll not even try!
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