ok, im just starting to dive into turbo's and F/I, and i've got a junkyard build im working on. the block is a 91 5.0, and was wondering what you guys think would be the best turbo/ turbo's for this. i know the block is a time bomb over 500rwhp even as low as 450rwhp. im mostly looking for massive torque ~520rwtq+ and hp i want ~425-500rwhp. so help me out guys.

anyone?

uhhh depends... for cheap a master power t70 is hard to beat

what is the master power?
i can get a 60mm john deere/ tractor turbo for like 150

2 places you really dont want to go cheap on a turbo build

the turbo
and the wastegate.

Diesel turbos work sometimes, but arent always the right size

Turbo sizing and a/r are CRITICAL


Junkyard build recommendation

stock 302
Ford Racing "F" cam - good turbo cam for what it is.
BBK shorty headers flipped ( dont use Ford Racing or stock, they will crack )
Treadstone $300-400 intercooler.
Master Power T-70 turbo - apx $625 www.bgturbokits.com (http://www.bgturbokits.com) sells them
2.5" crossover
3.5" downpipe.
38mm Tial wastegate - apx $225

Just copy the layout of some of the kit makers as far as pipe routing.

16 guage mild steel tubing.

Some may already know but im runnin the t70 on a stock block and i couldnt be happier. i have almost all of what r barn said except i got the flowmaster 2-into-1 to the turbo, turbonetics race wastegate hooked up to their VBC (variable boost controller) (these 2 are made to work together, and believe me, they work great). now dont forget to upgrade your fuel system, i got #42 injectors, upgraded MAF, adjustable regulators, and a handheld tuner. i know im forgetting something. but im puttin down 437 at the back wheels (just got dynod) at 8 psi. it was funny seeing the guys reaction to the #s from a ratty lookin bronco.:D

well, im following a build MMFF did on a guy that had a 5.4l 60mm john deere turbo, and was wondering if it would be thee same kinda deal.

I have a T70 kit from BG Custom Turbo for my coupe coming in soon.
Expect a build thread. Keep in mind my 5.0 is stock from TB to oil pan.

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

well, im following a build MMFF did on a guy that had a 5.4l 60mm john deere turbo, and was wondering if it would be thee same kinda deal.


Possibley, with out knowing more about the JD turbo cant tell you if its going to work or not.

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
well, im following a build MMFF did on a guy that had a 5.4l 60mm john deere turbo, and was wondering if it would be thee same kinda deal.

consider that not all john deere turbo's are the same size & on top of that consider that the 5.4 that he had not only had more cid, but also turned an extra 1k more rpm. so it would require a bigger turbo.

ok, here's what im looking at for turbos

the turbo coupe turbo's should be plentiful around here, but if not what are some other junkyard cars that have them?

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok, here's what im looking at for turbos

the turbo coupe turbo's should be plentiful around here, but if not what are some other junkyard cars that have them?

They're good if you plan to use a twin setup. Don't get the ihi turbos on 87-88 turbocoupes. two .48 or .63 t3's are good. I'd go with the .63's if you plan on doing alot of future work to the engine. Make sure you don't mix & match though, Don't try to run a .48 on one bank & .63 on the other bank.

".63 a/r" will be written on the .63 exhaust housings, the .48's don't have anything written on them & look just a wee bit different. (at least none that i've seen have anything written on exhaust & i've seen quite a few in person)

so whats so bad about the 87-88 IHI turbos?

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
so whats so bad about the 87-88 IHI turbos?

there's nothing bad about them. for what you're wanting they're a little small. You can still run them, but you'll run out of steam on top end, the ihi's are very small.

ORIGINAL: FoxGT

there's nothing bad about them. for what you're wanting they're a little small. You can still run them, but you'll run out of steam on top end, the ihi's are very small.



yeah it sucks when it falls on its face on the topend

well, this being on a stock 302 im only looking to go 450 (+/- 30hp) and 540+ ftlbs....what are some other turbo's that can get me there if all these turbo's have been robbed?

i'm not too familiar on turbos BUT go look onhellion's website, i know a few guys that swear buy them. but some1 mentioned that u dont wanna go cheap, and they r right. an F/I system is not something u wanna jerry rig. especialy since u r keeping stock shortblock, u r only looking at around 10 psi, so i dont even kno if u can reach the numbers u r talking about w/o scattering your internals...so dont reach for the sky when your budget cant even get u off the ground. play it safe.

well, there is a difference between being cheap (ebay turbo) and getting a tried and true turbo off a car that came with it. im not worried about scattering my internals forged is a wonderful thing, the block will split before my internals go. my budget is very low, but my fab skills and rebuilding skill are pretty good. im not the best, but im good.

looks like some of the SR20 cars may have turbo's like the T28 by garett....so which of the turbo's would be better for my application the TC turbo or the T28?

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

well, there is a difference between being cheap (ebay turbo) and getting a tried and true turbo off a car that came with it. im not worried about scattering my internals forged is a wonderful thing, the block will split before my internals go. my budget is very low, but my fab skills and rebuilding skill are pretty good. im not the best, but im good.

belooks like some of the SR20 cars may have turbo's like the T28 by garett....so which of the turbo's would better for my application the TC turbo or the T28?



I helped a buddy of mine swap a sr20 into a s14 (240sx) and that stock turbo is wayyy too small for a v8.

eh well nvm look like the turbo's will be the TC turbo's

ORIGINAL: brian1570
i'm not too familiar on turbos BUT go look onhellion's website, i know a few guys that swear buy them. but some1 mentioned that u dont wanna go cheap, and they r right. an F/I system is not something u wanna jerry rig. especialy since u r keeping stock shortblock, u r only looking at around 10 psi, so i dont even kno if u can reach the numbers u r talking about w/o scattering your internals...so dont reach for the sky when your budget cant even get u off the ground. play it safe.

There's nothing wrong with going the junkyard/diy route. I've built quite a few turbo & supercharger kits using mostly junkyard parts & none have broke down yet. I haven't spent over $1500 so far & I got down in the 12's on street tires n/a, no bottle. Some people get into the 10's going the junkyard route & still have a reliable car.
ORIGINAL: floodzilla

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
well, there is a difference between being cheap (ebay turbo) and getting a tried and true turbo off a car that came with it. im not worried about scattering my internals forged is a wonderful thing, the block will split before my internals go. my budget is very low, but my fab skills and rebuilding skill are pretty good. im not the best, but im good.

belooks like some of the SR20 cars may have turbo's like the T28 by garett....so which of the turbo's would better for my application the TC turbo or the T28?

I helped a buddy of mine swap a sr20 into a s14 (240sx) and that stock turbo is wayyy too small for a v8.

x2 on the turbos. the ford 2.3 is the best option for getting them. They're sized pretty well perfect & come on turbocoupes, svo's, mercury capri rs turbo's, & merkur xr4ti's. They're the most common turbo that's sized good for what you're wanting.

As for the power... I wouldn't just rely on the turbo's alone. I'd look into getting an explorer intake or perhaps a typhoon intake from ebay & touching it up a bit, & I'd either do some porting on the stock heads or try to find some gt40's from the junkyard. You'll probably need a pretty decent cam too, but they're not that expensive.

yeah, i'll be picking up a set of gt40's and porting them at home, im gonna match that up with a ported explorer intake and a B303 cam, im mostly looking for torque b/c torque makes me splooge









here is a list of junkyard turbo's

AUDI-Europe 200 88 2.2L KKK K26

AUDI-Europe 200 88-91 2.2L KKK K24

AUDI-Europe 200 Quattro 91 2.2L KKK K24

AUDI-Europe 5000 80-88 2.2L KKK K26

AUDI-Europe 5000 Diesel 2.0L 88 KKK K24

AUDI-Europe 5000 Quattro 82-88 2.2L KKK K26

AUDI-Europe S4 Quattro 92-94 2.2L KKK K24

AUDI-Europe S4 Biturbo/tt-180 99 2.7L/1.8L KKK K03

AUDI-Europe TT-225hp 99 1.8L KKK K04

AUDI A3, A4, A6, Cabriolet 1.8L,/1.9L diesel GAR GT-15



BMW 324TD/524TD 83-86 GAR TB0324

BMW 745I 84-86 KKK K27



BUICK GNX 87 3.8L GAR TB0348

BUICK Monte Carlo/Regal 78-83 3.8L carbed GAR TB0348

BUICK Riviera 80-85 3.8L GAR TB0308

BUICK (http://hondaswap.com/#) Grand National/T-Type 86-87 3.8L (Intercooled) GAR TB0348 (TA48)

BUICK Trans Am 89 3.8L GAR TB0348 (water)

BUICK Century 78 3.8L GAR TB0301

BUICK Century 79 3.8L GAR TB0304

BUICK Century 80 3.8L GAR TB0308



CHEVY Sprint 1.0L IHI RHB31

CHEVY Spectrum 85-90 1.5L IHI RHB521



CHRYSLER Conquest, Intercooled 87 2.6L MHI TD05

CHRYSLER (http://hondaswap.com/#) Laser (Auto) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD04

CHRYSLER Laser (Manual) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD05H

CHRYSLER LeBaron 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H oil/water

CHRYSLER LeBaron 88 2.5L MHI TE04H oil/water

CHRYSLER New Yorker 88 2.5L MHI TE04H oil/water

CHRYSLER New Yorker 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

CHRYSLER Town & Country (http://hondaswap.com/#) 88 2.2L MHI TE04H oil/water

CHRYSLER Town & Country 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

CHRYSLER Charger/Shelby 87-90 2.2L GAR TB03 (water)

CHRYSLER Shelby CSX-Daytona/Baron GTC/Shadow ES 89-90 2.2L GAR TB03 VNT (variable nozzle)



DODGE (http://hondaswap.com/#) 600 88 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE 600 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

DODGE Aries 88 2.2L MHI TE04H oil/water

DODGE Caravan (http://hondaswap.com/#) 89-90 2.5L MHI TE04H oil/water

DODGE Conquest (Intercooled) 87 2.6L MHI TD05

DODGE Daytona 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE Daytona Shelby 88 2.2L MHI TE04H

DODGE Daytona Shelby 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

DODGE Lancer 89 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE Lancer 88 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE Lancer 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

DODGE Omni 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

DODGE Shadow 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE Shadow 88 2.5L MHI TE04H

DODGE Shadow 87 2.2L GAR TB0335

DODGE Spirit 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H



EAGLE Talon (Manual) 90-94 2.0L MHI TD05H (45 trim)

EAGLE Talon (Auto) 90-95 2.0L MHI TD04
EAGLE Talon (Manual) 95-98 2.0L MHI T25 (45 trim)



FORD Mustang GT 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344

FORD Mustang (http://hondaswap.com/#) GT/T-bird 83-84 GAR (AiR) TB0344

FORD Probe GT 88-92 2.2L IHI RHB52W

FORD T-Bird 85-86 2.3L (auto) GAR (AiR) TB0344 (45 trim oil only)

FORD T-Bird 85-86 2.3L (Manual) GAR (AiR) TB03 60 trim (watercooled)

FORD T-Bird 87-88 (water) IHI RHB52

FORD Fiesta 90+ 1.6L GAR T2

FORD Escort 84-86 IHI RHB5



ISUZU MPR Truck 88-92 IHI RHB6-A



MAZDA 626, MX6 88-92 2.2L IHI RHB52W

MAZDA 323 GTX turbo 88-89 1.6L IHI RHB52W (water)



MERCEDES 300D, SDT, TD 78-84 3.0L GAR TA0301

MERCEDES 300SDL 78-83 3.0L GAR TA0301

MERCEDES 300SDL (Calif.) 86-87 3.0L GAR TB0359



MERCURY Capri 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344

MERCURY Cougar 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344

MERKUR XR4Ti 85-88 2.3L GAR TB0344



MITSUBISHI Eclipse (http://hondaswap.com/#) (Auto) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD04

MITSUBISHI Eclipse (Manual) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD05H

MITSUBISHI Eclipse (Manual) 95-98 2.0L MHI T25 (45 trim)

MITSUBISHI Galant (Auto) 88-94 2.2L MHI TD04

MITSUBISHI Galant (Manual) 88-94 2.2L MHI TD05H

MITSUBISHI Starion (Intercooled) 85-87 2.6L MHI TD05

MITSUBISHI 3000GT VR4 - 2x MHI TD04H



PLYMOUTH Acclaim 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H

PLYMOUTH Caravelle 88 2.5L MHI TE04H

PLYMOUTH Caravelle 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335

PLYMOUTH Conquest, Intercooled 85-89 2.6L MHI TD05

PLYMOUTH Laser (Auto) 89-94 2.0L MHI TD04

PLYMOUTH Laser (Manual) 89-94 2.0L MHI TD05H

PLYMOUTH Sundance 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H

PLYMOUTH Sundance 88 2.5L MHI TE04H

PLYMOUTH Sundance 87 2.2L GAR TB0335

PLYMOUTH Voyager 89-90 2.5L MHI TE04H



PONTIAC Sunbird GT 88-90 2.0L GAR T2

PONTIAC Sunbird GT 84-86 1.8L GAR T2

PONTIAC Grand Prix 89-90 3.1L GAR T25 (water)



SAAB 9000 (16V Intercooled) 87-88 2.0L GAR TB0356

SAAB 900 (16V Intercooled) 87 2.0L GAR TB0339 (Oilcld)

SAAB 900 (16V Intercooled) 84-86 2.0L GAR TB0339 (Oilcld)

SAAB 9000 (16V Intercooled) 85-86 2.0L GAR TB0343

SAAB 900 (8V, APC) 82-84 2.0L GAR TB0321



VOLVO 200 82-84 2.3L GAR TB0313

VOLVO 740 89-93 2.3L MIT TD04H

VOLVO 740 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05

VOLVO 760 89-93 2.3L MIT TD04H

VOLVO 760 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05

VOLVO 780 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363

VOLVO 780 90 2.3L MIT TD04H

VOLVO 780 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05

VOLVO 940 91-93 2.3L MIT TD04H

VOLVO 200 Watercooled Upgrade 82-84 2.3L GAR TB0368

VOLVO 740 (Oil Cooled) 83-85 2.3L GAR TB0326

VOLVO 740 (Watercooled) 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363

VOLVO 760 (Oil Cooled) 83-86 2.3L GAR TB0326

VOLVO 760 (Watercooled) 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363



VW Passat, 97+ (oil) 1.8L GAR GT15

Ya finding a good stock turbo of some kind of a turbo would be cool.what about those crystler turbos? i think there garrets or something i dont know not much in to tubos?

ORIGINAL: Boosted5.slow
Ya finding a good stock turbo of some kind of a turbo would be cool.what about those crystler turbos? i think there garrets or something i dont know not much in to tubos?

they're too small. If you find one of the vnt turbos on one though I'd highly recommend buying it & reselling. People will pay big bux for them. It's just a shame they're too small for the 5.0.

There are a couple that will work if you can't find the others, but chances of you finding one of the cars in real life letalone the junkyard are slim to none.

my only thing is that im worried about longevity, and i dont want to mess around with those non-performance bearing turbo

ORIGINAL: Fobra
my only thing is that im worried about longevity, and i dont want to mess around with those non-performance bearing turbo

rebuild kits are very cheap for them & rebuilding a t3 is a cake job. The hardest thing is getting the snap rings out of the center housing which is extremely easy.

I've had no experience with rebuilding ball bearing turbos from what a few shops have told me, you don't want to touch them. As far as performance goes I doubt anyone's going to regret going with a fluid bearing turbo, alot of the people producing over 1000hp are still using fluid bearing turbos.

so the T3 rebuild kit is cheap then?

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
so the T3 rebuild kit is cheap then?

Depends on if it's damaged or not. Every used turbo i've ever used or rebuilt for a friend were never damaged badly enough to require new impeller/turbine/center housing type things.

The rebuilds I generally do consist of replacing the 4 piece seal, snap rings, turbine shaft bearings, thrust bearing, seal ring, & the oring for the compressor housing. That will run you about $50. You can get a near full rebuild kit for around $80.

I always get my rebuild kits from gpopshop. They're pretty helpful. I've sent a couple turbine shafts off to them to have them sized for bearings, the only thing they ask is to include $ to ship it back, but they have no problem sizing it to get the bearings fit perfectly.

there is SO MUCH info on the net it's hard sorting truth from BS....i found a local shop thats going to advise me on routing and boost levels thank God

ORIGINAL: floodzilla

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

well, there is a difference between being cheap (ebay turbo) and getting a tried and true turbo off a car that came with it. im not worried about scattering my internals forged is a wonderful thing, the block will split before my internals go. my budget is very low, but my fab skills and rebuilding skill are pretty good. im not the best, but im good.

belooks like some of the SR20 cars may have turbo's like the T28 by garett....so which of the turbo's would better for my application the TC turbo or the T28?



I helped a buddy of mine swap a sr20 into a s14 (240sx) and that stock turbo is wayyy too small for a v8.
stock sr20 turbo is a t25 the same as a 2g talon a t28 is bigger but you r right it is still to small

ORIGINAL: floodzilla

Some may already know but im runnin the t70 on a stock block and i couldnt be happier. i have almost all of what r barn said except i got the flowmaster 2-into-1 to the turbo, turbonetics race wastegate hooked up to their VBC (variable boost controller) (these 2 are made to work together, and believe me, they work great). now dont forget to upgrade your fuel system, i got #42 injectors, upgraded MAF, adjustable regulators, and a handheld tuner. i know im forgetting something. but im puttin down 437 at the back wheels (just got dynod) at 8 psi. it was funny seeing the guys reaction to the #s from a ratty lookin bronco.:D

what tuner did you get? I'm considering the tweecer, but then I need a laptop too so...

i just had a chip made, adjustable regulators and a wideband, thats what used to tune it.

what is your tq flood?

torque converter? im runnin a beefed up stock idle one. i think thats what u mean

how much torque are you putting down?

I think like 570 somethin. gotta find my dyno sheet

your numbers are exactly the numbers im hoping to get from my TT 5.0

did you find the dyno?

will my combo get me better than 450rwhp w/ 550rwtq? or how close will i be?

Found it!! 437hp, 545 ft.lbs. torque. not bad for a stock block.

no it's not, i think you could go some more, ill be trying to.

yea i probley do, but i dont wanna risk it, the motor has like 120k+. its plenty to get a 4000lbs truck to plant you in your seat:D

its in a turck? damn thats awesome!

yea an 85 bronco. its funny to see the ricers faces when you smoke em in a rusty ol bronco!!:D

thats always a +.

can you use the stock manifolds from a 5.8l? ported and polished?

i think you can. not too sure though.

i think i might do that and see if i can keep it a little bit neater underhood.

so how will the twins handle the 302? what is max boost you should run on the stock block?

mines been runnin fine @ 8psi, and an occasional 12. but the twins should spool up mutch quiker then mine, itll be pretty sick, untill that block lets go:D, then again mine has 120k and still runnin strong!

i think im gonna keep it 10psi and under for twins, unless i get ballsy and decide i need a TT351

the junkyard 351w, with twin turbos with a blowthrough carb IMO is the best bang for your buck. 600 hp easily on a stock block would be great!

then i will try to split my block!

lmao! id like to see te before and afters!!:D

hopefully the summit forged pistons will outlast the block.....im still a good ways out from this though

well then good luck with it man!

ok turbo advice again

ok looking at the boost i will be pushing vs total output puts me in a prediciment. i was looking at the garrett t3 form the 85-86 TC and it can push up to 23psi, but the other turbos from the TC "IHI" can psi 16-18psi, with only pushing 8-12 psi am i going to need the T3?

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok turbo advice again

ok looking at the boost i will be pushing vs total output puts me in a prediciment. i was looking at the garrett t3 form the 85-86 TC and it can push up to 23psi, but the other turbos from the TC "IHI" can psi 16-18psi, with only pushing 8-12 psi am i going to need the T3?

The problem with the ihi is going to be in the volume it can produce & the amount of restriction it's going to cause for your exhaust gasses.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I don't know that the wastegate port is big enough to vent all the exhaust gasses out. It may cause you to spin the turbo faster than you want on high end which could cause higher boost psi than you want & could damage the turbo from spinning too fast. Not sure if you've seen the integral ports on them or not, but they're incredibly small.

So it's not just a matter of the exhaust being too small, the compressor is going to have a hard time moving the volume of air to feed the engine. Not saying it can't, just saying it's not going to be able to do it efficiently.

You're better off going with either the .48 t3 or .63 t3 if you're going junkyard route. I bought the .63's because I favor high end hp rather than low end boost. If I wanted low end I probably would have went with a roots s/c. + the .63's are still big enough to work with a 351w if i swap my 5.0 into my other car down the road & want to keep the tt on the '89 GT

thanks fox ....looks like i'll be sticking with my .63 idea

the .63 will get you where you wanna be, thats for sure:D

thanks a lot guys, now i just need to find people giving parts away so that i can build this as cheap as possible

well, id check the parts for sale section, junkyards, and even a possible sponsorships from some companies if you do stuff for 'em. ill keep my eye out for some good used parts for you, if i find anything good ill let you know.

thats awesome man, thanks a lot!