ALright, My Turnn EVeryone got there own post, heres Mine.


Three Questions to start this post

One: Sleeper, That Plumbing Picture you posted me, You Still Got It??

Two: Is the Turbo 2.3 Trans Stronger than the N/A Trans?

Three: are all T-5's Borg Warner?

Any Pointers? Starting my Swap This Next Tuesday I'll Defiantly Be on more Often during the Swap:D

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ALright, My Turnn EVeryone got there own post, heres Mine.


Three Questions to start this post

One: Sleeper, That Plumbing Picture you posted me, You Still Got It??

Two: Is the Turbo 2.3 Trans Stronger than the N/A Trans?

Three: are all T-5's Borg Warner?

Any Pointers? Starting my Swap This Next Tuesday I'll Defiantly Be on more Often during the Swap:D


I'm not sure about the automatics, but I know the turboT-5s are stronger (good luck getting your hands on one of those) ;)

ORIGINAL: MustangGuy93

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ALright, My Turnn EVeryone got there own post, heres Mine.


Three Questions to start this post

One: Sleeper, That Plumbing Picture you posted me, You Still Got It??

Two: Is the Turbo 2.3 Trans Stronger than the N/A Trans?

Three: are all T-5's Borg Warner?

Any Pointers? Starting my Swap This Next Tuesday I'll Defiantly Be on more Often during the Swap:D


I'm not sure about the automatics, but I know the turboT-5s are stronger (good luck getting your hands on one of those) ;)



Already Got the Whole Set up Buddie, Motor Trans and Turbo for 150 Bucks just makin sure that i wanna throw in the Stronger one and sell the Weaker one.

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ALright, My Turnn EVeryone got there own post, heres Mine.


Three Questions to start this post

One: Sleeper, That Plumbing Picture you posted me, You Still Got It??

Two: Is the Turbo 2.3 Trans Stronger than the N/A Trans?

Three: are all T-5's Borg Warner?

Any Pointers? Starting my Swap This Next Tuesday I'll Defiantly Be on more Often during the Swap:D

1. What plumbing? water and oil?

2. No, its the clutch, in fact many swap over to the WC T5 because it has better bearings

3. No, 84-86 TC are BW, 87-88 are WC, and 87-93 mustangs are WC

Tips:
Have lots of extra money and have another DD

i don't think the difference in strength of a turbo 4 transmission (and looking at the chart, the early tbird T5 is a downgrade) compared to the NA is worth the cost of seeking one, but since you already have it cool, nothing like getting good deals on parts. depending on what ID number you come up with on the transmission, the swap might be completely pointless unless the new transmission is less ragged out than yours. also you have to make sure to have the right speedometer gear for your rear end gearing if your rear end gear ratio was different than the donor car's (well...that's if you want a correct speedometer)


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btw as far as i know about "world class" T5's, no 4 bangers got any form of one. only the V8's got them and it started in 85 http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/t5_history.htm
as that link says tremec bought the rights to the T5 in 1998 so up until that point all T5's were borg warner i think

World class was used. All the 2.3 mustangs got it. Same with the 87 and later thunder bird turbo coupes. World Class is still a T5, just a different bearings. So they still went by T5

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ALright, My Turnn EVeryone got there own post, heres Mine.


Three Questions to start this post

One: Sleeper, That Plumbing Picture you posted me, You Still Got It??

Two: Is the Turbo 2.3 Trans Stronger than the N/A Trans?

Three: are all T-5's Borg Warner?

Any Pointers? Starting my Swap This Next Tuesday I'll Defiantly Be on more Often during the Swap:D

1. What plumbing? water and oil?

2. No, its the clutch, in fact many swap over to the WC T5 because it has better bearings

3. No, 84-86 TC are BW, 87-88 are WC, and 87-93 mustangs are WC

Tips:
Have lots of extra money and have another DD



1: Ya Thats The One,

2: Sweet i knew the Clutchs were different (different Part Numbers from autozone ;))

How DIfficult Was your Actual Swap? or you just runnin into problems with the After Effects?

I was just running into issues with the turbo. It blew so my fuel mileage dumped and I also killed my exhaust manifold (3 big cracks...)[&:]
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/turboswap005.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/turboswap003.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/latest031.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/latest027.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/latest025.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/latest024.jpg

Ouch, Do you know why your turbo blew? or still mystery?

So far not good, dad didn't move the trailer like i asked so i havn't been able to even get started.... kinda pissed

I blew my turbo because it was unbalanced and it starved for oil

Well HUGE Progress, got trailer moved and started tearing her apart, N/A motor only held on by Trans and Power Steering Lines, Got Dark So now i resume my work tomorrow. I'll Post up Some Pics

Ok Computers bein dumb So Pictures l8er, but havin trouble takin off drive line, any secrets?

Impact wrench or a big ass snipe

lol, had a Genius idea.... Since our Drive lines are Slip Yokes..... why not just pull motor out and watch the Drive Line Fall Off..... Brilliant huh? anyways..... Minor progress..... Trans Mount Nut is a Perfect Circle, so i gotta get a new one and cut old one off....Getting Closer and Closer.... Sucks cause i gotta work so i can't spend more time on her..... only got in an hour before it got dark... still tryin to upload photos.


BTW Sleeper, What Kinda Car is your Motor Out Of? Cause i've seen Three 2.3 T Motors and all have the Flange to bolt up your Boost Tube..... Mine Doesn't..... tryin to figure out if my turbo isn't stock...

I know how you feel, I go to school 8:30-3:30 and I have about 3 hours of home work then when I'm done its dark out, and I also work friday 4 - 11, and 7-3 saturday and sunday... I'm shocked I still work on my cars[&:]

all the t5's where borg warner's the world class t5 was just the heavy duty version

Aright heres some pictures of my swap so far.... lol Hope They work,

Alright they gotta be links but you get the jist lol

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang4.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang2.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang1.jpg
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang1.jpg)

ah...i get a kick out of those intake baffels every time....nice work....you got any plans on buildign it up at all?? where did your boy jake get his body kit on that grey 2.3?

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

Aright heres some pictures of my swap so far.... lol Hope They work,

Alright they gotta be links but you get the jist lol

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang2.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang4.jpg

ORIGINAL: mylittleponyturbo

ah...i get a kick out of those intake baffels every time....nice work....you got any plans on buildign it up at all?? where did your boy jake get his body kit on that grey 2.3?


Plans to Build: Yes For start... TURBO
Buddie Jake: Thats my name...... My Cars, Yellow.... not grey....


BTW Sleeper: How'd you Do That Sleeper???

LINK (at the bottom of the pictures in the [IMG] link bar, just change the first one to lower case

OH... Lol cool..... Well UPdated MOTORS OUT!!!! Now gotta Swap ALOT of Stuff over to Turbo motor..... God i Love Breaker bars!!!

Heres some more Pics guys!

Also HowDO youPull and Place Distribitor Correctly???

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang6.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang9.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Stang8.jpg

Put the engine TDC, put distributer in pointing at #1 cylinder

Awesome bro thanks, Finally got a day off tomorrow, I'm gonna hit this motor with full force, I've gotta get it ready by May 2nd for the Drifting and Drag Races here lol:D

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more

I'm Gonna Weld this Dif til i can find a 8.8

ok at TDC got most hose's hooked up (waiting for MBC to arrive.... then it hit me, i'm missing my boost tube...... What Is Everyone else using? cause i tried to get a stock one and my turbo doesn't have the Flange to bolt up to

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/MissingBoostTube.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/BlueTrans1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/HighFlowIntake.jpg

You need the vam infront of the turbo[8D]

lol ah dang it..... forgot about that..... well at least means a can mount intake better

With that air filter mounted ON the turbo will not work....


turbo's get hot.... really hot :eek:lmao

Good progress.

oh, worked fine with my eclipse (couldn't find intake tube to fit 90).... but i figure i'll run stock intake from N/A to turbo then run exhaust tubing for Boost Tube or PCV pipe

Run PVC till you have your routing figured out, then you take it out and bend the pipes accordingly

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more
just curious.. why would he want 4.10's?

i love seeing projects like this come together :D.

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more
just curious.. why would he want 4.10's?

Make it easier to keep his RPM's up high for drifting (if you read what he posted)

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more
just curious.. why would he want 4.10's?

Make it easier to keep his RPM's up high for drifting (if you read what he posted)

i did read it, the main reason i asked was because i saw him mention drag racing

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more
just curious.. why would he want 4.10's?

Make it easier to keep his RPM's up high for drifting (if you read what he posted)

i did read it, the main reason i asked was because i saw him mention drag racing

Higher gears help him hook up on the rear end and also help big time with acceleration so it will help him in both situations

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Boost Gobbler

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

Don't forget the 8.8 LSD (4.10s or more
just curious.. why would he want 4.10's?

Make it easier to keep his RPM's up high for drifting (if you read what he posted)

i did read it, the main reason i asked was because i saw him mention drag racing

Higher gears help him hook up on the rear end and also help big time with acceleration so it will help him in both situations

if he is doning mostly drifting id agree. if he is doing mostly drag racing id have to disagree. from what i understand our engines or any turbocharged engine for that matter will run stronger with load. the the 4.10s as apose to say 3.55's or 3.75 dont add enough load on the engine to effectivly (as far as max potential) perform in the 1/4 or 1/8. a good exaple of this is john huber, he ran 4.10's and switched to 3.55 and went faster. 3.55 seem to be the go to ratio for drang racing at least with our cars. a happy medium is what needs to be found, witch will be done more and also how often will it be driven?

So a happy medium would be 3.73.

Also, did you hear huber went 8.48 (or 8.45)[&:][&:][&:][&:]

i was unaware of the exact time but i did over hear that he and anouther 2.3t dipped into the 8's that is VERY impressive :D. now if only we had a bigger aftermarket, or maybe not? im sure we get better customer service then most :)

Where Am i gonna find 4.10's for a 7.5? or you talkin once i upgrade to 8.8

and recent rain has been slowing my project down almost to stand still..... bought new water pump and water outlet, gettin ready to install.

And Yes i wanna run both Drag and Drift, but probably Mostly Drift.

Heres what i've jerry rigged up to work.... its got silicone boots on both ends
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/BoostTube.jpg

That thing is going to leak like crazy[&:]

At least run PVC

what kind of silicone boot? where did it come from? that doesnt look like it will work at all.. just save up and get some pipe off ebay. or like sleeper said use pvc pipe but your going to need to make a grove near the ends for the couplers to kinda sinkinto when you clamp it to prevent leaks under boost.

Wow awsome find on that motor/tranny. What did you do with your old one? Was your TPS and IAC still working?

Everything on old motor ran GREAT! just slow......

and that pictures without the rubber ends on it. i'll take a new one

as for old motor and trans i'm sellin 75 bucks for each, or 140 for both. either way i'm breakin almost even on turbo motor :D:D

oh heres those pics i promised
Still workin on a way to mount BOV
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Siliconeboots.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/bottomboot.jpg

do not put on a BOV unless your running a blow through VAM and the BOV has to be BEFORE the VAM

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

do not put on a BOV unless your running a blow through VAM and the BOV has to be BEFORE the VAM


Isn't the BOV there to relive Pressure to avoind Back spinning the TUrbo???

lookslike it might work.

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

do not put on a BOV unless your running a blow through VAM and the BOV has to be BEFORE the VAM


Isn't the BOV there to relive Pressure to avoind Back spinning the TUrbo???

Yes, but if you use it on these cars the go mad rich on deacceleration and stumble or die. Your fuel mileage also goes down the tubes...

that sucks..... so i can't hear my PSSST...... thats what makes turbo's so freakin cool! sure that not what killed your turbo sleeper? back spining the bearings?[:-]just playin

I was running less than stock boost lol

really? wow...... What kinda Boost Controller you using?

non, I'm just right to the wastegate and it holds 8 PSI steady.

I had a bleeder valve and got 15 PSI but I kept blowing valve cover seals...

wow, so does it pull hella harder than stock 2.3? cause i'm down to my last wits with slow stangs and about ready to sell if this doesn't pull hard

Let me put it this way, at only 8 PSI I've raced a bretta GT 5 speed, sunbird turbo (built up a little), and a few civics (new 06+) and beat them all.... at 15 PSI it was like a kick in the ass when it hit.

I'l tell you this right now, buy a boost valve, because when I went to 8 PSI it seemed slow to me:(

By Boost Valve you Mean Boost COntroller? cause i was plannin on that.

Yup.

Make sure to connect it right:eek:;)

lol thanks dad... i'm sure i'll manage... just playin of course of course.... Can't Wait to try this!

You actually plan on drifting it? I want vids!!

Yup, We have a local course here that is offering drifting, i'll definatly get some videos!

Updates!!!!

Trans hooked up to motor, Motor is ALMOST IN (waiting for help to get trans in right spot, then i move to wiring and vaccum plumbing then its fire up time!!!

BLAM ITS IN!!!
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/openWide.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Yummy.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/INSTALLED.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/INSTALLED2.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/INSTALLED1.jpg

congrats[8D]

Thanks Bro.... now to wiring.... i bought 40' of wire.... so i think i've got enough....... i'm just not good with wires [&o]

When will she be done?

Shooting i lil far as i'm scured of wires..... so End of the week?

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

do not put on a BOV unless your running a blow through VAM and the BOV has to be BEFORE the VAM


Isn't the BOV there to relive Pressure to avoind Back spinning the TUrbo???

Yes, but if you use it on these cars the go mad rich on deacceleration and stumble or die. Your fuel mileage also goes down the tubes...

it wont really "go mad rich" but you will get a rich spike when it actualy blows off the pressure but its not really that bad but if you have more fuel pressure then normal behind your injectors then the rich spike maybe a bit higher. i dont know how bad it would effect MPG but it would only do so if you where to create the rich spike. i dont have much of a problem with mine i can drive around all day and not hear my bov unless i want to with simple pedal control. im sure the bov may have a negitive effect on MPG but it really depends on driver habbits in relation to the sevarity. also the stumbling is an issue.for me it mainly happend if i build boost and try to slowly let off the pedal,this canbe avoided once you get to know the car better. ijust let completely offto aviod it.also from my expirence andwhat iv heard the only time the car will "die" is coming to a stop, the only time id dies on me is if i put it in nuturaland try to stop above 15 mph (i have a 5spd) so i pretty much eliminated that buy knowing the car. i dont know how it is in an auto. if i had teh cash idtry out a bpvto see the difference, id rather have this bov (witch i got used off ebay pretty cheap :-D) then havethat back pressure threatening my turbo.

well updates, got all the wire i need... just cant find my MAF sensor.... can't remember where i put it... and everythings kinda been on hold because my new daughter was born!
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/DadandBaby.jpg


Back Home Now, and i'm back on the stang!

Congrats on the new addition to the family. Its also a VAM and not a MAF.

What computer are you running? I have a spare small VAM

lol thankz, and i might need to hit you up on it.... also i believe its a pf3 its off a 86 merkur

OK Sleep, i'm hittin the Junkyards probably looked at over 150 fords and NOT ONE 2.3 TURBO.... How Much for your Vam?

Well my VAM isn't good. After you posted up you wanted it I went and tested it. There is a dead spot at WOT on it[&:]

check turbo ford, I know they are getting rid of them for $20-$30

alright i'll have to do that

ok, i found a Air Sensor outta 92 GT, only thing close to it i could find.... is it possible this could work? even a lil bit? i need somthing so i can get it on the road, Already figured i'll be running LOW boost, and won;t be hittin the Drift Tracks.

Anyone who knows hit up on this one

I cant tell you the answer but I would like to say congrats on the new kid.

And you gotta get some vids the first time you hit up the drifting track. Do you even know how to drift?

I'm not gonna say i'm the best or the worst, been playin around in my friedns 86 Corolla and a S14. preety much its (for beginners) Pull E-brake to brake the rear end loose, then clutch kick the throttle to keep wheels spinnin then play with throttle to maintain drift...... With Words its SOOO easy.... no i gotta try that with a stock suspesion 87 Mustang which was not designed for anything but straight line.

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

I'm not gonna say i'm the best or the worst, been playin around in my friedns 86 Corolla and a S14. preety much its (for beginners) Pull E-brake to brake the rear end loose, then clutch kick the throttle to keep wheels spinnin then play with throttle to maintain drift...... With Words its SOOO easy.... no i gotta try that with a stock suspesion 87 Mustang which was not designed for anything but straight line.


An S14? Damn those are nice cars.

Yeah you just need to stiffen up the rear end and keep the front stock/soft. That way instead of body roll in the rear you get tires to break loose. But you still want handling in the front. I drift in forza and tune cars, its pretty much real life physics so i learn from stuff that way :D. Also you want down force in the front to keep the front tires planted. Make sure your front brakes are completly level, cause when you wanna keep a drift goin you have to do a little bit of braking, and if one front brake grabs before the other you will get crooked and loose it. I play around in my truck from time to time tryin to drift, luckly it has enough power to break the tires loose with all the body roll. I havent tried to drift corners but i have kept a good drift goin while goin in a circle. Lol.

It will work if you have a J3 chip. If you have an account on TF, post a wanted add

J3 chip huh, How Much Are those??

They run about $60-$70. But then you need a burner or someone to do it for you. (not cheap)

Just buy a small vam, they can be had for $20 like I said

i need a burner? care t explain? lol

Its a chip. You need to "burn" the information to it

how do you burn? usb?

i fixed my wanted ad anyways lol

You need to buy a chip burner for a J3. Its a unit I believe (around $300-$500?)

OK Defnatley Goin That Route.... i'm gonna return this sensor tomorrow..... and found someone to send me one for 30 bucks shipped, thanks again sleeper!

I'm just making sure you don't get burned and spend money where is doesn't need to be spent;)

thanks bro. we gotta meet up sometime lol

we ALL gotta meet up sometime lol

Well, Wen't to midnight drifts.... without the stang... still waiting on the air sensor... anyone know which fuel line is return and which one is sending without turning on pump and watching which one sprays lol?

Hmm good question, I'm going to say the one thats on the fuel damper before the fuel rail

lol i ment from the car, i know which is which on motor sorry didn't specify

well heres some random update pics, Have the S13 Intercooler just figuring out the pipe routing. (tryin to make it front mount);)

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Scooped.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/GTStang.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/CockpitShots.jpg

Was that hood scoop always there?

You have a 302 emblem on your dash................

Looking good, keep up the good work;)

Was that hood scoop always there?(Hellion79)
No i got the off a 82 GT

You have a 302 emblem on your dash................(al_ngl)
remember when i first got on this forum, i swore i'd never put anything but a 5.0 in my car? lol

Ya it comming along just waiting on that VAM lol

You told me you got the scoop off a 82 last night [8D]

well ya but i gotta post it up for anyone who gets one here also, lol..... Still Tryin to Find a Way to Rin Intercooler, Are our Front Bumpers held on by Riviets??? If Thats the case thats F&^%EDUP!

There are bolts along the front end to front fenders and 3 into the core support and 2 up top

wow.... How hard is to take off? i'm still waiting for my air sensor..... so i havn't been motivated to work on a dead end stang.... lol...[&o]something renew my faith....[&o](drove my friends B16a3 Civic)

Its easy, undo the bolts and it will slide right out;)

And here is something to re-new your faith
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/sleeper_inc/frontendwork004.jpg'
:D

That helps! lol Still Miss the 7K Revs from JDM Vehicles..... WE'll See just how this Turbo Stang Performs, other wise its 90 Honda Prelude with B20a Vtec Head

If you want 7K RPM get better valve springs, retainers, and a chip.;)

lol, i mean STOCK 7k Revs.... anyways hows your turbo coming along? [&o]I want mine[&o]

My turbo will be here in 4 days, other one will be here in 6:D

You Ordered Two? lol




Heres Some Intercooler Placement Pictures
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Intercooler1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Intercooler.jpg

updates still no sensor but talked to guy says he has sent it and should be here soon, tomorrow in my day off so i'm gonna tackle all remaining problems.

one major one, oil pan has metal spacers which causes gap on both sides of crank, in turn i leaked all my oil outta the pan. Are those Spacers nessisary? or can i ust eliminate them???

Ok Guys Created New Post and Postng here hoping to get a response

How To Fix Oil Pan Gasket without Pulling motor or Removing Crossmember

Got Fuel Lines Hooked up and Starter hooked up, Battery Still only has Ground Connected

You need to lift the engine up

ah i didn't wanna hear that lol oh well. time to lift engine up again.... lol

Hahaha That sucks. good thing you didnt put EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER!!

ya i hear ya, only work for four hours today but started feeln sick so i had to stop, tryin to find the nuts to attach the tranny to the Mount that way i'm not worried about the trans slippin off, startin to find ways to run charge tubes outta Radiator hoses from work lol, I'm startin to wonder about drifting this stang...... Not Very many Suspension upgrades in the form of coilovers or adustable suspension that i'm finding....

Alright, updates again, Got Motor Lifted and oil pan dropped, i figured i'd clean it out REALLY GOOD and maybe paint outside of pan Old Ford Blue as well..... any objections? lol

[&o]My Sensor is currently in Missouri so i'm hopini'll have the stang ready to drift next Friday.

:eek:Also Deciding on going to Full black stang rather than two tone'd Yellow and Black.

I'm still waiting for my turbo so the race is still on lol

Man this sucks, i want my stang runnin SO BAD..... I'm goin Insane.... I'ma Boost Junkie and i need my fix!!!! can't even ride withmy friend cause he's swappin turbo's on his GS-T to a EVO III with Electronic Boost Controller.....

Updates on the stang..... it raining.... so it looks nice!!:D

GOT MY SENSOR!!!!! without a pigtail..... so now i'm makin one, which wire goes where? i'm gonna try and find it but if i don't post it up here, thanks again guys ALMOST READY TO RUN!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Heres Some update Pics
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/BOV1.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/BOV.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/SmallVam.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/TurboSystem.jpg

Sleeper will be able to help you with the wiring ;)

Ok. What do you need to know? what wire dose what? I'll get all that info for you after I'm done work today

ya, cause my Vam didn't come with a Pigtail so i've made my own.

Check the 2.3L tech post. he might have posted it in there?

ORIGINAL: sleeper_incWiring a P series VAM into a 88-90 Mustang
(this is for when your doing a 2.3 turbo swap with a computer other than a LA, LB, 8UA series)



Splice into/”T’’ connect the VRef (orange/white) to the wire going to pin 26 of the stock harness (also orange/white). (I say splice into/”T” connect the wire running into the engine bay. This is because pin 26 is being used by the TPS, MAP, and EGR.)




Remove Pin Connector #3 from LX wire harness red block (or take one from your harness you salvaged, and put this pin connector and wire into the red block of your LX harness to plug into your Pin 43 position on the P series computer. The LX harness lacks this connecting pin).



Connect the VAF (white/black) to the wire going to pin 43 of the stock harness (the new connecting pin you just put in)




Connect the VAT (vain air temp) to pin connector #27 (this can be found at your EGR Valve position sensor) Now move that pin #27 to pin #25 and move #25 to an area with no pin (this is the ACT sensor which only the PE, and 87-88 turbo coupe computers can use)




Splice into/"T" connect the VAM signal return (black/white) wire into the LX harness (black/white) wire that goes to pin 46. Do not cut the LX harness (black/white) wire going into pin 46, simply connect this VAM signal return black/white wire to it.

thats not what i need but thanks. its which pin goes where, i'm havin to make my own Pigtail for my VAM cause the guy didn't send it.

Update, Oil Pans Fixed (didn't even have to lift motor) wiring up vam, starters wired should be able to attemp to start it in about an hour. i'll post up some vids soon!!! Pictures too
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OK its cranking and Chuggin really bad, wont stay running, My Dad thinks its timing, i thought i got it right its too dark now so i'm gonna check that out.... had it goin for a lil bit but still chuggin bad...

Any Ideas?

Check cam timing and see what your ignition timing is.

Make sure everything is wired right and check your FPR

I Double Checked wiring, The Wiring Harness has ALOT of plugs that i cannot find ends for, Does TC motor have Less COnnectors?

Checking Timing Tomorrow,

Never Checked a FPR before How To?

ORIGINAL: Stang2.3

I Double Checked wiring, The Wiring Harness has ALOT of plugs that i cannot find ends for, Does TC motor have Less COnnectors?

Checking Timing Tomorrow,

Never Checked a FPR before How To?

They should have the same ammount of conenctors unless youve removed the EGR system.

For the FPR. Take the vacuu line ff it and smell it for fuel/see fuel in the line, replace it.

EGR Systems still in place,(didn't feel like rippin it off ;)) its weird cause i have the wiring harness laid outand i cannot find these connectors i'm gonna start triple checkin my wiring now, have today off so its all on the stang today i wanna have it runnning for work tomorrow.

[&:]ok o after checkin my wires again this morning i noticed the injector harness isn't hooked up[&:]but the connectors DON'T Hook into Lx Harness, Thay are both Female Ends[&:], is there a way i can straight wire it?

ok i'm tryin and tryin and it feels like it wants to start at first but afterwards just goes to cranking over, I'm Messing with timing right now..... pop ideas anytime that you think will help guys

You use the mustang harness. Also it sounds like the wrong conenctor.

Anyways check cam timing first. If its off it wont fire (more than 3-4 teeth)

Well if theinjectors arnt hooked up... hows it gonna start? lol I think you need to take a few pics of the conectors and key area'sand let sleeper check em out.

ya i do i'm gonna try right now, Timing Is Dead Nut On, perfect marks, Getting VERY Bright Spark, Everytime i pull the Plug i smell gas on the Plug, I'm Worried about bad Vam or my repinning sucked... of those loose connectors i'm uploading pictures to e-mail now

the left one is from harness, there are two others, right two are from the inectors, there are two two pin an one four pin.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/stang23t/Connectors.jpg

One is your ECT sensor (believe the one thats most visable in your hand) The other 2 plug is for the knock sensor, and the 3 plug is for your EGR valve I believe.

Did you make sure your injectors are wired right? Check all your wiring again. It's still sounding like bad timing or bad plugs/wirers (should be gaped at .028 - .035)

i'm gonna have my wife crank it i'll make a video of it, Timings good, Cranks at 2 o Clock, Cam's at 5 o clock, all perfectly lined up with marks on cover and metal. i'm Getting Very Strong spark, is it possible to have Fuel but No Injectors? Everytime i pull Plug Number one it smells of gas,

These Engines have knock sensors? thats cool.

once again my buddie at work told me its possible that my injectors are all firing at same time and not pulsing, i've never heard of that.(same guy who told me about N/A Comp working fine)

UPDATE:

got my Ferrari Mechanic (firend who lives just down the street 8) ) came over and we found out my injectors ARE pulsing, but theres no fuel pressure, Pump is working but i'm thinkin that maybe i hooked up my Fuel Feed and Return Lines Backwards.....

You either have a plugged line or you have a bad FPR

you don't think the lines hooked wrong would matter? i kinda guessed when i hooked the fuel lines

Hmmm... I got no hands running but I had the same issue. Check your firing order and your plugs

You can't hook the lines up backwards ones bigger than the other.

did it delete all those posts again????? this is pissin me off.......

Ok Sleeper, Vaccum looks good, Connectors are good except two, noticed wiring i forgot to put Electrical tape i ran out, so i'm fixing that now.

Noticed that when i play with One of VAM wires it triggers Fuel Pump to Prime

I'm going over my Wiring Harness Today

ok pulled out Wiring Harness again, lol went over bad tape job (used Shipping tape) with Proper job, now noticing Fuel Pump Doesn't Prime AT ALL..... I hate Wires [&o]

Also while i was pulling it out, it smoked over by the Starter solenoid, Tried starting and it cranks and cranks, so i know thats not burned up, wheres our Fuel Pump Relays?

Under the passenger seat

wow.... so you think my wires coulda been grounding cause of my stupidity with shipping tape lol?[&o]

I ran outta Electrical Tape, so i used that until i could buy some, i bought some and never put it on:eek:wow me right?

Yeah. Might want to go and check your wiring again;)

ya i redid it with electrical tape this time, gonna change out fuel pump relay once wife gets home so i'm not baby sittin all three kids[&:], lol also what fusible links are over by the starter solenoid? my haynes manual got destroyed so i gotta order a new one tomorrow on pay day;)

Fuel Pump Relay didn't fix anything, still can't hear fuel pump.

Which fusible links are over by the starter solenoid

Try testing the fuel pump but trying this
http://therangerstation.com/tech_library/images/eec-iv_testing2.gif

put power to that slot?

Yeah, or connect it to the sig-return, IDK, but it dose kick in;)

defiantly try that on my lunch tomorrow, thanks again sleeper, when the credits on this stang finally roll, you better believe your names in capitals!!!!;)

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I love build threads, keep up the good work, don't let the car get you down!

don't worry you'll get tons of problems by the time i'm done they'll just sticky the build because i've replaced every damn milimeter of this car[>:]

I NEED A TURBO FIX lol[:-]

I'll try to get one for you tonight;)

lol thanks bro. i can't seem to find paper clip, and didn't think to grab one from work, so still haven't tried this out.

Damn rain....

I'l tell you right now. Driving my turbo feels great:D but due to rain I couldn't drive her today, and tomorrow I'm working on the MX6 so no driving there either:(

i hear ya on that, one of the reasons this builds takin so damn long, i'm weldin my dif so rains probably gonna be a &^%$# to drive in lol

alright so i went to try that sleeper, and mine doesn't even have a wire in that spot only have 4 wires, so my next question, how easily could put the fuel pump on its own separate switch?

Umm... 12V source, ground an a switch:D

You're better off hot wiring the fuel pump to make sure it even still works.

lol thanks for the sarcasim, lol i'm plannin on Wiring up the pump anyways as a form of Anti Theft, and Race Protection. i'm gonna run about 6 switchs total under the arm rest, Ripped out all the carpet today at least from the trunk and rear deck. cleared out trunk of spare tire and all the parts i've gathered over the time of this build, i'm preparing to finish this. Wish me luck everybody!!!

1: Fog Lights
2: Fuel Pump
3: A Pillar Guages
4: 6" Tach
5: Not decided yet
6: same as above

Why does everyone go for HUGE tachs? I had 2" tach in my stang and it was plenty big enough. I think the 5"+ tachsare a waste of extra money.

There easier to see so you don't ahve to take your eyes off the road to see it

cause someone damaged the package at work so i bought it for 30 bucks, and its a 6" Autometer 10K Tach we sell it for 120. and also the Shift Light is amazing! lol

So after gettin my Haynes manual back, i followed the Diagram and it shows the Fuel pump has a ground and power[:-], but when i get back there to the wires there are three wires... so today when i go into work i'm gonna buy a test lightand see which one carries power, that'll also tell me if i need to buy more wire lol

Alright so i cut into the wiring to try and "hot wire" the pump, nothing, not a sound.... so by that i'm assuming that my pumps fried.....so i'm ordering a new one soon as i can save up some money... anyone know of a good pump thats cheap??

A 255 lph hp walbro. $100 and you'll be fine for any engine you put in there now;)

where can i find one? Tried Ebay nothing there.:(

Is it running? You need to just straight wire the fuel pump. Ground it and run a lead to the battery.

walbro.com?

DO NOT GET EBAY ONES!!!! they are FAKE!!!

Ya i found one for 120 Shipped, not bad...

And hellion ya i straight wired it, nothing not a whisper from the pump..... which sucks....[&o]

For now just to get it running i'm buyin the 180LPH one we have at autozone, its got the Fuel Tank Sending Unit on it so hopfully it'll fix my gas gauge, Gonna Drop my Tank (once i drain it[&o]) so i can prepare for Sunday when i can replace the pump i'll take tons of photos so it'll help my thread have at least ONE how to on it so i don't feel so lonely lol

Tomorrows Pay Day, so i'm grabbin Pump and i'll be puttin it in i'm gonna Double check old pump once its out and make sure it really doesn't work, then hopefully i can get this Baby Started Wish me Luck Everybody![:-]

Good luck, and pics?:D

OH Ya, Of the Whole Fuel Pump Change INCLUDING CUSTOM SWITCH WIRING!!! lol

i'm tryin to get ahold of a Fuel Pressure tester so i can test pressure at the rail, still need to fix the fuel pumpafterwards i wanna make those injectors are clean maybe take em' to ford to be Cleaned out.

OLD FUEL PUMP WORKS!!!!!![:@]just got done pullin it, and put its connectors stright to power and Wirrs LOUDAS &^%$

So its something with your wiring. Track down al the wires to the pump and see if you have a break in it. (voltage test it)

Return the 180 pump (I think its 180)

I'm Goin to thats 90 bucks i could put else where, lol, still finshin it up and gettin ready to post up all the pictures, Still Plannin on Wiring Custom Toggle Switch

Fuel Pump Is Wired to is own Switch and it Works Beautifully..... fule Pump anyways still not sure if the Injectors are working properly, i know they are pulsing cause of voltage test, but not sure if there actually spraying, Gotta Take Em Off and Try and clean them out.

Anyone know of a PLace that'll clean injectors? and how much?

Think Ford Might do it?

Post up pictures after my shower

If you ask ford to do it, they'll try to sell you new ones. That's what Ford tells the shops to do. Soak 'em in commerical fuel injector cleaner for several hours. They cleaned mine right up, went from not firing at all to working great.

by Commercial Injector Cleaner, what do you mean? Its possible i can get ahold of this at Autozone?

And did you cover the Electrical Connectors in anyway?

Yeah. Autozone will have it. Like 5 bucks for a quart, good for twenty gallons of gas. It's meant to be run through the car, but it'll still do a good job cleaning them up. If you don't want to spend that much, carb cleaner (braklean?) should work too. And I covered the connectors. It won't hurt them, unless they are still wet when you give them power.

How Did you Cover Them? I'm gonna Let them Sit in a Bowl of Seafoam Over Night (with Orings off) havn't had a chance to take them off yet but gettin ready tomorrow after work[&o]

Uploading Photos now to photobucket so i can post them up

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You can use tape, with selifan rap to cover the electrical connection.

Alright, thanks Sleeper

Another Question, Our Bleeder Valve on the FUel Rail, Is it smaller than standard? when to the Junkyard and pulled about ten of the lil valves, and tried to take mine out and the tool won't fit inside to pull out the valve!?!?!

Maybe your car has a different one? I know the merkur and ford I have are the same size, 1/16th pipe thread

Weird..... so now i gotta find a way to replace it so i can properly test Fuel Pressure....

Also, Takin INjectors out, THey Are brown top, there sitting in Seafoam as we speak, also before takin it apart sprayed Starting fluid to try and turn it over to no avail. Pulled Plugs noticed that there Black, and were gapped at 30 rather than recomended 35, fixed that. think 5 degrees would screw spark....

ALso i been readin all your threads and noticed everyones got retarded timing.... when i set mine i set them BOTH AT TDC. this gonna cause problems?

Good chance it could, if other stuff is off. Pull the spout check connector out, and set timing at 12 degrees BTDC. Stick a screwdriver in one of the sparkplug wires, and hold it next to an engine bolt or something. It should arc. (Note: While it certianly won't kill you, getting shocked like that is not a pleasent experience at all, trust me. Wear gloves, make sure you're not touching anything metal on the car or screwdriver.)

Where did you spray the starting fluid? IS your cam timing spot on?

Cam should be at the 4:30 position (roughly)

I have me spark plugs gapped at .032 and it works for me, each person is different.

Your cam should be pointed at the mark when the engine is at TDC on piston #1, then you runing your distributer 1-3-4-2 in a clockwise motion.

Have you pulled codes yet?

Haven't gottin it running long enough to,

Question Will the Inertia Switch Cut the Spark as well?

tested my spark and its not firing now (i.e why it wouldn't start w/ starting fluid lol) I've switched out the plugs to Motorcraft COPPER plugs (sleepers recommendations) Gapped at 34

Injectors are Clean now though!:D

No inertia switch only does fuel, I'm pretty sure.

yeah, the inertia switch only controls fuel. If you aren't getting spark, time to pull at your tester light and go backwards through the components. Check to see if the coil is getting power. If it is, your TFI module could be bad.

Check to make sure the coil is gettign power. If it has power than your distributer has a bad PIP or TFI

TFI Mod Works, ( Checked it with tester at work) also curious because i took the spark plugs wire going from the Coil to Distributor, Put Screw Driver in to test Spark and nothing. no spark, then it hit me, is the coil going to actually pulse? i asked everyone at work and no one knew or had the same answer.

The coil should pulse. Or it felt like it when I zapped me a few times[:@]

Ya hurts huh? lol which Wire could i use a Test light on? i'll have to pick one up while i'm at work and test it on my lunch lol[&o]

Put a screw in the coil wire (to the distributor) and put it on the frame (DON'T hold it) and crank the car over. If you get spark its not the coil and its the distributor (bad PIP or TFI)

"Pip", is the Pick up Coil Right? where is that located? i'm buyin a New Cap an Rotor Today (never hurts).. lol And shouldn't a Screwdriver work just as well?




Fixin the Shocks on my Pathfinder, Snapped one right in half[&:]

Anything metal will work. I prefer a screwdriver so I can hold the end of it. You can't ground it though, you have to hold it just over metal, it should arc. The coil only has two wires going to it though, a hot wire and the IDM out. Check to make sure it's getting power at the live wire. If it is, then check the live wire on the distributer. (not sure what color it is, lemme know if you want me to check).

If the coil is good, and the distributer is getting juice, double check the TFI.

PIP is inside the distributer and it lets the computer know when to fire the coil. Look inside (under the cap) and you'll see a disk that has 4 "squars" cut out of it, on one side, the sensor inside is the PIP

you can't change the pip can you? its just replace the whole Dis

Yes you can change it, but it's such a PITA that I don't see the worth in it. Go get a few from the JY, one will be good.

Alright have to do that tonight, (out in grantsville right now for car show)

Ok, Tested TFI Module at work , Passed Test 5 times in a row, Took Coil to Distributor wire off to test spark, nothing while its cranking, but once you stop cranking i noticed a couple sparks
Stuped, Coil bad? (Newish MSD Blaster(off old motor))

Well it could be the coil or the PIP. Are you able to borrow a distributor that you know is good or a coil thats known good?

Changed Coil, No Change, checked if power was getting to the Coil and it is, went to look into the Ignition Switch and found its held together by a metal band and i took it off and it fell in half..... so bought a new one and now its too dark to try and get it on.... so tomorrow i wait lol

Ok Serious help now guys....

Heres the Problem : No Spark

Things I've Tried and found out

Coil - Power IS getting to coil but not making it out, DID buy NEW OEM COIL no change
Spark Plugs & Wires, All New No Change
Ignition Module- Tested five times in a row and passed beautifully
New Ignition Switch to replace broken one.

Still not getting spark, Have NOT changed the PIP, Distributor i'm pretty sure works, don't have money to replace, Anyone know how much JY charges for them??

Need Ideas, Helpful Comments, Thanks again guys (sleeper this mean you lol)

distributer should be pretty cheap at the u-pull. if the coil is getting oomph, no reason why it should not make it out. was it working prior? Is the wiring correct?

I got 2 for $10 (distributors) And I also might have found your issue with the fuel pump,
Universal Relay (Large)

This relay is the correct replacment for theEEC relay that sits behind the passenger side kick panel. If you have a car that won't start andone of the symtoms is that the fuel pump will not prime, this may be the culprit.

Thought that would help. Without PIP the coil dosen't know when to fire, so it wont

Like the Wiring Harness? i'm not sure.... Thats My Fear is it isn't right.... its gotten to the point i'm about ready to ship it to someone, paythem, and ship it back.... cause me and wires never have gotten along....

Coil is brand new, and the MSD coil before it worked up until the fuel pump went out when the no spark problem developed....

I'll try to get you a wiring harness and re-pin it for you when I go and get my transmission in the next few weeks if you don't get this figured out.

How much would you want? Cause this SERIOUSLY sounds like a deal in the making!!

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

I got 2 for $10 (distributors) And I also might have found your issue with the fuel pump,
Universal Relay (Large)

This relay is the correct replacment for theEEC relay that sits behind the passenger side kick panel. If you have a car that won't start andone of the symtoms is that the fuel pump will not prime, this may be the culprit.

Thought that would help. Without PIP the coil dosen't know when to fire, so it wont



Didn;t even see this one.. lol but because my fuel pump is now on a switch doesn't that mean that relays now bypassed??

It could be, but id your pump coming on or not?

oh ya it does now, works great now that its on the switch

Hoping this ebay bid works out, Turbo Coupe wiring Harness w/ LA2 Computer right now my bids at 30 bucks crossin my fingers!!

Well I'll be popping in the JY's in a few weeks, so if you don't get it let me know and I'll grab you a harness;) and re-pin it for you:D

ALright Thanks Sleeper, i'm hopin this one works out cause its an extra computer with the deal

What computer do you have? P series or a L series?

Mines a P Series, also that Wiring Harness went too high for me..... So Looks like i'm buyin from you Sleep

Ok I'll try to grab you one on monday. You're lucky I wrote the P series swap info lol

Thanks bro, How Much you wanna Charge me? lol maybe you'll start a Buisness with this lol;)

I'll charge $30 plus shiping (thats with the price of the wiring, and the extra wires needed)

I'll even throw in a complete list of cars to steal crap from lmao:D

Sounds Like a Deal, you need my Address so we can Figure Out Shipping?

I'll do the harness first then we'll talk;) (might have to do this every day now lol)

Of Course, Thanks Again Man, EVentually I'll Learn Wiring so Future Swaps will be easier, lol

Some people just aren't good with wires... Luckly I'm not one of them lmao.

Hope I can find a car with a clean wiring harness. Getting harder and harder since people cut and ask questions later[>:]

I Hear ya on that one, No Respect for Proper Builders like ourselves

Oh well. It's good to know people who deal with cars. I'll grab you a harness and have it sent out eithe monday night or tuesday morning.

How You Recieving your Money? Pay Pal? or you wanna Discuss through PM?

I'll contact you when I have it done;)

Deal.

e-mail: 90gsmitsu@turbodiamond.com
Or PM lol

Might wanna take your phone # off because of telamarketers;)

i don't answer numbers i don't know, but true true.... Thanks again man

Ok Sleep Another question, you Got the Spec on your Charge Piping? Cause i need to Run My Intercooler Before the First Drift Event (i can Actually go to lol), And i'm plannin on running Exhaust Piping with Silicone Boots to connect them together

Never mind lol Found another solution to the Charge piping and it looks great!!!!Went Outside just before it got dark to figure out a Routing solution and BAM i find my Bendable exhaust piping and Lights go off! so i put it in and IT FITS PERFECTLY!!!!!! its too dark for a Picture so i'll get one posted up tomorrow!

Won't that cause really restricted airflow?

Not any less than a Regular Pipe, Its actually a very easy bend and with this it curves rather than corners, so i'm not seeing any complications

How big is the tubing? 2.5" is the best for mild power, 3" for all balls to the wall

Its 2 1/4" also did notice the ripples inside, worried about that disrupting air flow. but on a stock turbo running 12lbs it shouldn't be terrible. i'll look into better piping after a better FMIC is purchased.

Also anyone know how to hide the wiring harness? cause mine looks like its crowded to all hell.

Hide it in the fenders. You'll haveto lengthen some things to make it fit and look clean

So Same Principal as a honda swap, alright that i CAN do lol

Could it be Put Into the Cowl??

It can be as long as the wiring wont short out if it gets wet

ALright sounds good sleep.

Ok I grabbed your wiring harness for you today;) It looks brand new, only loads of dust on it. Will send it tomorrow and I'll PM you when done with pictures and shipping quote

Thank You Tons Bro!!! i'm prayin this is my problem, but i didn't feel comfertable moving on til i KNEW that at leastwas good...thanks again Hit me up when ever!

Well it's done and tapped ut, ready for you to install;) It was pulled off a running car (had bad rust... I mean BAD!!! I fell through the floor lmao)

I'll put some pictures of the finished one up. send me a PM with your info and I'll get the shipping quote and send it for you tomorrow;)

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