Whats the deal on delete plates?

1. How Much?
2. Best ones?
3. Added HP?
4. Is a tune needed?
5. How much to get installed?

i hear they are a really good mod...

1. 139.95 on here http://www.lethalperformance.com/pages-productinfo/product-12998/555-3134-steeda-05-07-mustang-gt-economy-cmcv-delete-plates.html

2. i here a lot of good about steeda...not sure about others.

3. ive heard about 10 to 15 rwhp

4. yes

5. havent looked into it yet...i think you could do it yourself if you like working on your own car, which i do...someone correct me if im wrong.

im trying my best to help but dont just take my advise...wait for someone smarter to chime in.

Nathan

1. New, they are like $140. But if you can find them used for under $100 that would be good too.
2. Steeda.
3. Yes, but nothing great; maybe 5-7hp.
4. Yes
5. Install them yourself, it's easy.

Don't worry about whether to get the billet or cast plates, there really isn't a difference and the billet plates cost $300. You need a tune, but you should be able to call Bamachips and have them rewrite your current tune to accommodate the delete plates. You will lose a little bit of fuel economy.

The install is pretty easy. I still consider myself a novice when it comes to working on cars, but even I was able to install them with no problems at all. Find Tacobills howto, that is what I used for directions. Basically, you just need to remove the intake manifold. This involves removing the intake, PCV hoses, fuelrails, and a few vacume lines. Once the manifold is off, you simply remove the existing CMCV plates and motor, move the gaskets from the existing plates to the delete plates, install the delete plates on the manifold, and drop the manifold back in place.

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4861584/tm.htm

ill to lazy to repost all the links!

Its not so much something you do for the power...its something you do to compliment your other mods. Its main purpose is to increase air flow. So for all the guys who are blown, or have intakes, or anything to do with airflow, they are a great complimentary mod that will yield about 5hp. Cheap and VERY easy to install, did in my driveway in about 30 mins.

I just installed the steeda economy plates (the $140 ones)...great higher RPM gains but noticable loss of lower end torque...if you like to run around in 4th gear at 3000RPM's all the time and punch it often for that seat of the pants power, then these are perfect. If you are a mild driver who keeps the tach in the 2000-2500RPM range, then dont bother with the plates...just my .02

I installed my delete plates at the same time as a UDP, and I upgraded from a Diablosport canned tune to a Bamachips race tune. I noticed big power gains all around, but that was from the combination of 3 mods.

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

I installed my delete plates at the same time as a UDP, and I upgraded from a Diablosport canned tune to a Bamachips race tune. I noticed big power gains all around, but that was from the combination of 3 mods.


Im sure it was a bug diffrence[8D] lol

ORIGINAL: VistaGT

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

I installed my delete plates at the same time as a UDP, and I upgraded from a Diablosport canned tune to a Bamachips race tune. I noticed big power gains all around, but that was from the combination of 3 mods.


Im sure it was a bug diffrence[8D] lol



Well...big relatively speaking. That canned Diablosport tune was crap compared to the Bamachips tune.

i did this mod a couple years ago.. in all honestly, spend you money elsewhere,i gained 2 or 3 hp butits really not noticable, and if you ever get a roots style blower, whipple, saleen etc, then they become utterly useless and end up in the garage or up for sale for 50 bucks. trust me, spend the money elsewhere, thats the best advise youll get on delete plates

thanks for all the responses. i'll have to think about it, i do like that there fairly cheap and i could do the install in my driveway.

I added the delete plates with the UD pulleys and exhaust so I cant really tell how much they did... but they are a complimenting mod...

they are a waist of money, point blank

ORIGINAL: mustard05

they are a waist of money, point blank


Apparently your experience is the final word on this matter...

If they only give you between 2-5 hp, why even bother?? Unless you're getting a turbo or a centri, I wouldn't worry about them. +1 to them being useless if you get a roots or a TS.

...god damn it, why can't I find that thread from Doug showing the dyno results from delete plates.

why bother? because its 5 HP for only $100. every pony counts which is why there will always be someone with a few of those "useless" mods that "only" give you 2 HP here 2 HP there but they end up walking you because you didnt do those "useless" mods...

lol!! me and my blower dont need no stinkin $100 delete plates.. lol

ORIGINAL: exx1976

lol!! me and my blower dont need no stinkin $100 delete plates.. lol


Obviously you have no need for them, but people with Vortec, Paxton, or Prochargers sure can use them.

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

ORIGINAL: mustard05

they are a waist of money, point blank


Apparently your experience is the final word on this matter...



you pretty close to being correct buddy, i have done almost all mods to this car, trust me, the only way these stupid things would even be worth it, would be if someone was going with a turbo or centri type blower and even then i would say save your money. these things are just another way for some company to take your money. do you know what exactlywhat they do, if you did then in theary these moght be worth but in the end for a few ponies hell no. the doolor to hp ratio is so horrible on these cars why waste it on a useless mod

ORIGINAL: exx1976

lol!! me and my blower dont need no stinkin $100 delete plates.. lol


in reality why would people with these types of blowers really want them, unless they waisted thier money before going f/i and used them for the hell of it. centri types and turbo lack massive tourqe down low when compared to a roots style blower anyway. the stock delete plate work in harmony with the throttle body, the blades on both pecies work and move at the exact same time. so you loose a few pounds of torqe by changing the plates. with a centri personally i would want to keep as much low power as i can. i could go on and on, but my point is save your money

ORIGINAL: mustard05
the doolor to hp ratio is so horrible



Yes, my doolor to hp ratio is horrible too

:D

ORIGINAL: mustard05

you pretty close to being correct buddy, i have done almost all mods to this car, trust me, the only way these stupid things would even be worth it, would be if someone was going with a turbo or centri type blower and even then i would say save your money. these things are just another way for some company to take your money. do you know what exactlywhat they do, if you did then in theary these moght be worth but in the end for a few ponies hell no. the doolor to hp ratio is so horrible on these cars why waste it on a useless mod


Well, I'll get right on writing to Steeda and Ford to tell them that some forum member with poor spelling and grammar has made the executive decision that the delete plates are useless.

I will admit that they only add maybe 5-7hp, and that most of the increase people do see is from the tune that is required to run them. People who already have an intake a good tune who install these and claim they don't work fail to realize that is nearly impossible to "feel" ~5hp when you already have 300+.

Delete plates have been dyno tested, and proven to add power. Doug at Bamachips posted dyno results but I can't find them at the moment.

i get exited when people seem to chalenge my knowledge, and i then lose my ability to speel,, i mean spell.

Found it...

http://www.mustangforums.com/fb.asp?m=4850197

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/howarmat/Pics/CMVCdeleteVSstk.jpg

Here is the graph reference above.....i would day that even at 5 HP for 90 i paid that it was worth it. Remember these help get gains from LTs also and the CAI.....its all about airflow

Thanks Howarmat.

Spelling and grammar aside (Even though they are my pet peeves - challenge has TWO L's IN IT, and it's excited, not exited! You didn't leave the thread!!!), I'm gonna have to go with mustard on this one..

I mean really now. They change the torque curve, if I remember correctly from those dyno sheets.. The car makes more power, but it's not really useful until you're up in the 3k range..Further, some members have reported the car running rougher at part-throttle and low-rpms..

Like I said - $100 plus a tune for 2-5 hp?? :eek: Seems like there are better ways to spend money and modify a car than to add 30 mods that each give you 5 hp.. That's 30 things that aren't OEM, 30 things to track down, 30 things that could break/cause failure.. Just save the $$, get a blower, make more power, and have fewer things that could give you headaches (it's one BIG mod instead of 30 little ones).

NOTE: The only time I'd recommend these things is, as previously noted by both myself and others, is if you are getting a turbo or a centri. For an NA car, I don't see the point, and for roots/ts, they can't even be used.


Just my $.02, YMMV.

your a tool bro. your trying to tell me that a140 bucks for 4 to 6 hp is money well spent, do you believe in tb spacers as well. you should wright steeda, ill even pm you my real name and ask them to look it up, i betit wont change the huge discount they give me anyway. like i said ive done every mod you can think of, and its a waste of time. ive had the udp with delete plates and this and that intake and this and that exuast and so forth and so fourth. just because youve wated your money doesnt mean everybody else should, and thier are a couple members on this forum that will vouch for me.and as for three hundred rwhp, ive been thier to. so i also will say dont waste your money on the little things like delete plates, thiers a lot better. and if you think the delete plates are that worth it, when you reach 450 rwhp and higher, that last thing on a centri owners mind would be delete plartes, trust me

ORIGINAL: mustard05

in reality why would people with these types of blowers really want them, unless they waisted thier money before going f/i and used them for the hell of it. centri types and turbo lack massive tourqe down low when compared to a roots style blower anyway. the stock delete plate work in harmony with the throttle body, the blades on both pecies work and move at the exact same time. so you loose a few pounds of torqe by changing the plates. with a centri personally i would want to keep as much low power as i can. i could go on and on, but my point is save your money


Roots and Twin-screw blowers replace the entire intake manifold including the CMCV plates. People running Centri blowers or turbos run the risk of one of the CMCV blades breaking off and ruining the motor. I would much rather lose the little low end torque then run the risk of destroying my motor.

For someone who doesn't like their knowledge challenges, you sure seem to lack a lot of it.

Mustard05 I don't know what you are talking about but delete plates are the best mod on the market, next to chrome exhaust tips.

thats a joke bro, trust im the last person you should try and school about blowers, centri or roots.
and the dyno sheetproves nothing, where the to runs done before the install and right after, how humid or hot was the days if they were done on different days, ive made 462 on month, 446 the next month with no changes and 452 the next, dyno prove nothing when it comes to small changes bro

ORIGINAL: mustard05

your a tool bro. your trying to tell me that a140 bucks for 4 to 6 hp is money well spent, do you believe in tb spacers as well. you should wright steeda, ill even pm you my real name and ask them to look it up, i betit wont change the huge discount they give me anyway. like i said ive done every mod you can think of, and its a waste of time. ive had the udp with delete plates and this and that intake and this and that exuast and so forth and so fourth. just because youve wated your money doesnt mean everybody else should, and thier are a couple members on this forum that will vouch for me.and as for three hundred rwhp, ive been thier to. so i also will say dont waste your money on the little things like delete plates, thiers a lot better. and if you think the delete plates are that worth it, when you reach 450 rwhp and higher, that last thing on a centri owners mind would be delete plartes, trust me


I'm having a hard time concentrating on your nonsense with your 3rd grade spelling.

Go and find me somebody pushing 450+rwhp with a centri or turbo that still has the cmcv plates.

yes for turbo and centri they are not a "bad" investment, but made gears would be better??

The gains from delete plates would be better with FI motors.

Unless my eyes deceive me, at ~3300 RPM the car made 70 ft/lbs and 60hp LESS AFTER the addition of the delete plates! So yeah, like I said, they'll get you6 hp, but it's no good until ~3500 rpm, and below that, you lose power..

Where's the little popcorn eating smiley when you need it??

ORIGINAL: exx1976

Unless my eyes deceive me, at ~3300 RPM the car made 70 ft/lbs and 60hp LESS AFTER the addition of the delete plates! So yeah, like I said, they'll get you6 hp, but it's no good until ~3500 rpm, and below that, you lose power..



Bah, it's only a little... :D

i know plenty,, i know a few pushing close to 500rwhp, as for 3rd grade comments, try harder buddy, ive a gave that much of a **** about spelling i would proofread,..,, i tell you what, you keep your wish for 300 rwhp, and ill keep running low elevens

ORIGINAL: mustard05

i know plenty,, i know a few pushing close to 500rwhp, as for 3rd grade comments, try harder buddy, ive a gave that much of a **** about speeling i would proofread,..,, i tell you what, you keep your with for 300 rwhp, and ill keep running low elevens


Will do, I'm content with my lowly ~300whp.

From doug
I've tuned plenty of cars on the dyno with them already but never a true before and after deal. I strapped the car to the dyno and did the before and never disconnected it. It only took around 30 minutes for the complete swap.

ORIGINAL: howarmat

From doug
I've tuned plenty of cars on the dyno with them already but never a true before and after deal. I strapped the car to the dyno and did the before and never disconnected it. It only took around 30 minutes for the complete swap.



Apparently Dougs test is bull****, a real benchmark would have been if he would have made a 1/4 mile run before and after. Who needs a fancy scientific dyno when you have the seat of your pants and stopwatch measurement. It's a good thing human error doesn't have any part of a 1/4 mile run. We know how hard it can be to hold WOT on a dyno.

Dude I don't want to get into this battle, but, your not even running FI how the hell would you know?? Based on what you read? Now I know reading is good, but come on. I read an article in modified mustang that said I need to run 100 octane because I have an SC, but I have been running 91 for all most a year, you can't believe everything you read.

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

ORIGINAL: exx1976

Unless my eyes deceive me, at ~3300 RPM the car made 70 ft/lbs and 60hp LESS AFTER the addition of the delete plates! So yeah, like I said, they'll get you6 hp, but it's no good until ~3500 rpm, and below that, you lose power..



Bah, it's only a little... :D




WHAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??????????? ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????????

You're sitting there on the pro- side of the fence, while I'm on the con- side.. Your argument is that they GIVE you 6 hp > 3500 RPM, and the fact that they COST you 60 hp < 3300 RPM doesn't bother you? :eek: I'm not 100% I can follow your logic on this one..

then i accepct your argument. look im not trying to be mean or ugly but the honest truth is i have spent entirely to much money on this car. ive done it all my freinds and this is the truth. i bought the delete plates from steeda, tuned it and gained a few ponies, lost some torqe, and then i went home and said screw this, and bought my blower and had it overnighted. i know not everyone can do that but in the end it was a waste of my hard earned money. Ive learned this the costly way, know what you really want as far as hp and work towards that. my point of view on this subject is more aimed at the people who cant afford blowers, i dont feel they should do it just to do. if all you want is 300 then thats what you want, but all i wanted was 300,, then i got it, and than it was 400, and 500 and so and so

ORIGINAL: exx1976

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

ORIGINAL: exx1976

Unless my eyes deceive me, at ~3300 RPM the car made 70 ft/lbs and 60hp LESS AFTER the addition of the delete plates! So yeah, like I said, they'll get you6 hp, but it's no good until ~3500 rpm, and below that, you lose power..



Bah, it's only a little... :D




WHAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??????????? ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????????

You're sitting there on the pro- side of the fence, while I'm on the con- side.. Your argument is that they GIVE you 6 hp > 3500 RPM, and the fact that they COST you 60 hp < 3300 RPM doesn't bother you? :eek: I'm not 100% I can follow your logic on this one..


I thought you were kidding about the 60hp / 70lbft loss. You honestly think that they lose that much? Did it occur to you that the pull was started at ~3300rpm.

Mustard05 I am sorry, but I have seen you, and you are mean and ugly!

BTW: I still think chrome exhaust tips give you more rwhp than delete plates! I challenge the fool who doughts me!

That's why I said "unless my eyes deceive me".. LOL

I'm still kinda new at reading dyno sheets and all this. My dyno sheet from Brenspeed starts ~2k rpm.. I mean, I understand the curves, a/f, etc etc, but not the finer points.. Like where it started, etc etc.. I figured they just had the dyno spit out a graph in that RPM range? :D

ORIGINAL: mustard05

then i accepct your argument. look im not trying to be mean or ugly but the honest truth is i have spent entirely to much money on this car. ive done it all my freinds and this is the truth. i bought the delete plates from steeda, tuned it and gained a few ponies, lost some torqe, and then i went home and said screw this, and bought my blower and had it overnighted. i know not everyone can do that but in the end it was a waste of my hard earned money. Ive learned this the costly way, know what you really want as far as hp and work towards that. my point of view on this subject is more aimed at the people who cant afford blowers, i dont feel they should do it just to do. if all you want is 300 then thats what you want, but all i wanted was 300,, then i got it, and than it was 400, and 500 and so and so


So you conceed that you did gain power from them?

I would get a supercharger too if I had the money to spend on my car right now. But between buying a house, getting married, and paying off my tuition; I don't see $6k of disposable income falling into my pocket any time soon. Besides, my Mustang needs to stay my daily driver. 400+hp wouldn't handle too well in the snow here in Michigan.

your just mad at the whole clutch thing. im sorry

i never said i didnt gain anything, i just said it isnt worth, and 6k, i wish, i spent 10k in one day, now im like close to 22k, and it will hit 30k after the new notor in a couple months

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You drive your stang in the winter?!?

Even before my blower, the 'stang was all garaged up and hibernating.. BAAAAAAAAAD!!!

And to be honest, if you can keep your foot out of it, and keep it below 25-2800 RPM, it actually drives just like an NA car.. it starts making boost at like 50-60% throttle, give or take, so if you're REAL careful, it would be just fine in the winter (not that I'd recommend it, but for totally different reasons).

Get yourself a $50 beater.. You'll be glad you did in 5 years when the stang is still rust free.. And fewer accidents, too, since you won't be sliding into ****..

ORIGINAL: exx1976

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You drive your stang in the winter?!?

Even before my blower, the 'stang was all garaged up and hibernating.. BAAAAAAAAAD!!!

And to be honest, if you can keep your foot out of it, and keep it below 25-2800 RPM, it actually drives just like an NA car.. it starts making boost at like 50-60% throttle, give or take, so if you're REAL careful, it would be just fine in the winter (not that I'd recommend it, but for totally different reasons).

Get yourself a $50 beater.. You'll be glad you did in 5 years when the stang is still rust free.. And fewer accidents, too, since you won't be sliding into ****..


You're forgetting about the whole no money situation I am in...

The few mods that I have done to my car were mostly purchased used with the exception of the UDP. I bought an intake, tuner, tune, delete plates, and shifter for around $600.

Look I am just chimming in for fun, your personal expirences I have been there many moons ago, the point of this thread from what I understand is if the delete plates are worth the money. Based on HP per dollar the answer in NO, spend the money elsewhere.

This thread was answered within the first few posts.

Delete plates = $140 = 5 HP = $28/hp
blower = 5K = 150 HP = $33/hp

just putting it out there ;)

ORIGINAL: howarmat

Delete plates = $140 = 5 HP = $28/hp
blower = 5K = 150 HP = $33/hp

just putting it out there ;)



Hahahaha. Brilliant. :D

your numbers may be a little low:

Delete plates= 140.00 = 5hp @ 28/hp and that's it.
Blower = 5k = 180rwhp = 27.78per hp plus upside is only limit by 2 things your pocket book and imagination.

Hmmm. you do the math, maybe I am missing something.

Are we really going to argue over $0.22/hp?

i was using this as a reference point, and i didnt include install........so that is another 500 atleast for many

So I would say my numbers where very much right on......there are many variables with s/c setups

http://www.brenspeed.com/mustang_2005/images/saleen435.gif

Look to whomever started this post if you want to install the delete plates go ahead its you 140 to throw in the trash, who am I to say you may be wasting your money, look I don't care, its your money, what I am saying is don't be disappointed when you do, and don't post how disappointed you are in them after the install, I don't care. I was just offering a little advise. And to all you N/A guys go ahead and run out and buy your delete plates, and let me know when you want to meet at the track, Sacramento Raceway I will be there at least twice a month starting next week, we will see how your delete plates hold up then! If you don't show then you gotta go OUT!

Look motoxdirtrider84 (http://www.mustangforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=31289)
do what makes you happy, don't listen to everyone else's opinoin, you get what you get for your money, just remember there are other things you can spend your money on that may get you more, but that is the case with everything.

ORIGINAL: sactown

Look to whomever started this post if you want to install the delete plates go ahead its you 140 to throw in the trash, who am I to say you may be wasting your money, look I don't care, its your money, what I am saying is don't be disappointed when you do, and don't post how disappointed you are in them after the install, I don't care. I was just offering a little advise. And to all you N/A guys go ahead and run out and buy your delete plates, and let me know when you want to meet at the track, Sacramento Raceway I will be there at least twice a month starting next week, we will see how your delete plates hold up then! If you don't show then you gotta go OUT!


ORIGINAL: sactown

Look motoxdirtrider84 (http://www.mustangforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=31289)
do what makes you happy, don't listen to everyone else's opinoin, you get what you get for your money, just remember there are other things you can spend your money on that may get you more, but that is the case with everything.


The only people who are disappointed be delete plates are people who install them thinking that they're going to notice a significant difference in performance. It is very difficult to feel the extra power delete plates give.

As an owner of an '06 with your basic mods - C&L, DiabloSport, UDP's, axleback - I was considering the CMDP's, but if they lose power and/or effect sub 3000 RPM driveability, why bother? The RWHP gain is, as evereyone has mentioned, unnoticeable. I would rather have a well mannered andfunctioning vehicle. No thanks! Appreciate all the input.

ORIGINAL: mac10chap

I just installed the Steeda economy plates (the $140 ones)...great higher RPM gains but noticeable loss of lower end torque...if you like to run around in 4th gear at 3000RPM's all the time and punch it often for that seat of the pants power, then these are perfect. If you are a mild driver who keeps the tach in the 2000-2500RPM range, then don't bother with the plates...just my .02


Did you get the Stang re-tuned? It has to be calibrated because it changes the air flow considerably.

OP - It also could NET you up to 10 HP more due to an increase in airflow. However it requires a tune along with it!

http://www.steeda.com/products/steeda_economy_charge_motion_plates.php

I have them on my car!

ORIGINAL: MC Stang

As an owner of an '06 with your basic mods - C&L, DiabloSport, UDP's, axleback - I was considering the CMDP's, but if they lose power and/or effect sub 3000 RPM driveability, why bother? The RWHP gain is, as evereyone has mentioned, unnoticeable. I would rather have a well mannered andfunctioning vehicle. No thanks! Appreciate all the input.


They don't drastically affect the driveability of the car other than mileage maybe.

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

ORIGINAL: MC Stang

As an owner of an '06 with your basic mods - C&L, DiabloSport, UDP's, axleback - I was considering the CMDP's, but if they lose power and/or effect sub 3000 RPM driveability, why bother? The RWHP gain is, as evereyone has mentioned, unnoticeable. I would rather have a well mannered andfunctioning vehicle. No thanks! Appreciate all the input.


They don't drastically affect the driveability of the car other than mileage maybe.



you forgot for some people they could drastically affect the wallet, all for nothing. (i think im spelling better today)

ORIGINAL: acascianelli

ORIGINAL: sactown

Look to whomever started this post if you want to install the delete plates go ahead its you 140 to throw in the trash, who am I to say you may be wasting your money, look I don't care, its your money, what I am saying is don't be disappointed when you do, and don't post how disappointed you are in them after the install, I don't care. I was just offering a little advise. And to all you N/A guys go ahead and run out and buy your delete plates, and let me know when you want to meet at the track, Sacramento Raceway I will be there at least twice a month starting next week, we will see how your delete plates hold up then! If you don't show then you gotta go OUT!


ORIGINAL: sactown

Look motoxdirtrider84 (http://www.mustangforums.com/showProfile.asp?memid=31289)
do what makes you happy, don't listen to everyone else's opinoin, you get what you get for your money, just remember there are other things you can spend your money on that may get you more, but that is the case with everything.


The only people who are disappointed be delete plates are people who install them thinking that they're going to notice a significant difference in performance. It is very difficult to feel the extra power delete plates give.


actually most people who get them end up being dissapointed. Why waste 140 on a mod you wont even notice, unless you have c.a.i and udp, i mean come on, everybody thats said they were glad bought them also seems to say they got them with other mods so they cant really tell the difference between mods. whypay fora massage if you cant feel anything, i mean come on, we all want the happy ending feeling dont we

this mod alone will not give you a whole lo of gains. and no you will not notice just this mod unless you do say headers, TB, cai/tune or cams/heads.....then after that, you do the CMDP and i bet you you will feel the gains. It works together with all of the mods mentioned above and allows each of them to get slightly better gains.

wrong again buddy. i had a steeda c.a.i, steeda udp, mac headers with o/r x and a borla catback. my gains were 4 or 5 hp and i loss torqe. heres the real prob buddy. your but dyno is useles when it comes to physics. less torqe down low means less power in a sense. you might gain 5 hp up top but you do understand that are car is so heavy that the extra 5 hp means nothing, if you ran a 13.2 consistant, and thats all that car could do, deletes arent going to make you go 13.1.

Howarmat, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about... (lots of sarcasm)

ha ha ha ha ha lol lol lol lol lol im so funny. if you havent figured it out by now, i will fight delete plates till the day i die

You can't give a single valid reason why delete plates don't work other than you not being able to make a faster pass with them.

ORIGINAL: mustard05

wrong again buddy. i had a steeda c.a.i, steeda udp, mac headers with o/r x and a borla catback. my gains were 4 or 5 hp and i loss torqe. heres the real prob buddy. your but dyno is useles when it comes to physics. less torqe down low means less power in a sense. you might gain 5 hp up top but you do understand that are car is so heavy that the extra 5 hp means nothing, if you ran a 13.2 consistant, and thats all that car could do, deletes are going to make you go 13.1.


See you prove the point exactly right here...noone here is saying they are going to make a huge difference at all......5-7 HP probably is all i would expect, and my butt dyno is fine, i didnt feel anything different when i installed them and i wasnt expecting to feel any gains either....i have never once said i did. But i didnt lose any torque that i could feel either.

and if im running 12.5.....add them and now run 12.4.then 140 is well spent IMO.....you are looking at from from the opinion that we all have or are going to get s/c and that 5-10 HP mods are worthless, but for people who are not going to go FI.....then a 5-10 HP mod for 90 (what i spent) is like a gold mine

Personally i think you just have you head up your ass and think that if you are not going FI then you might as well leave the car stock cause modding it is worthless ;)

opps, i meant to say arent. i will edit that. and your right, i do have my head up my ass, it smells good, at least whiole my head is up my ass i wont be wasting it on delete plates,

ORIGINAL: mustard05

opps, i meant to say arent. i will edit that. and your right, i do have my head up my ass, it smells good, at least whiole my head is up my ass i wont be wasting it on delete plates,


How old are you?

i fixed the original post. thank you for pointing that out. and i will say that its fun modding these cars, just use your money in a way that benefits you. do you think i have all my mods because im truly an idiot. youll prob say yes but oh well. i have wasted so much money on stupid things. the 25k invested in this car would prob be like 19k if i only knew what i know now

im 27

delete plates are worth it if and i say if you also have or get: udp, cai and custom tune.

Delete plates are a good mod in my opinion. Although I lost some low end torque, but it sure makes it up pretty good on the higher rpm's.

Talking to the Steeda guys, they said if your not doing the things like howarmat mentioned it does very little for you. You need to do the UDP, CAI and Tune (at a minimume) along with them before you start to realize the gain/benefit.

Its like trying to run a amrathon with your shoes tied! You might have the best running shoes in the world but if you don't have the muscles, stamina and the ability to run a marathon, untieing them so they are not tied together will not help you ....much!

It is just one factor in the overall airflow and aspiration of the car.

27?? What you still in school? Just installed the chrome exhaust tips and delete plates picked up about 2rwhp but I am not sure which mod gave me the additional rwhp. Hmmmm probably the chrome exhaust tips.

wow, if i made a product i would say the same thing, in fact im changing the purpose ofmy next meeting on monday.i actually work for the nestlecompany, howbout this, buy are chocolate, but youif you want to get the best taste out of it, use should buy our chocolate milkwith it, because then you can really taste the chocolate flavor. and afterwards, flush it out with out great drinking water, nestle pure life. i might be on to something