Who will win between my stock 03 cobra and my bro's 99 corvette hardtop 6-sp with intake and exhaust?

You.A 03 should take ac5.But shall we be reminded, " Its not the car, its the driver."

If your cobra is stock and your brother can drive your brother will win I have an 02 6m coupe completley stock it ran a best of 12.87 @ 111.98. I did drive it like I stole it.

im thinking negatory...thats a sick ass time and you're probably a good ass driver. cobra

If your cobra is stock and your brother can drive your brother will win I have an 02 6m coupe completley stock it ran a best of 12.87 @ 111.98. I did drive it like I stole it. </P>


an 02 Vette has more base power than a 99 though, doesn't it? </P>


I still think the 03 Cobra will win...I've seen them take out 03 Z06s.</P>

I think it is really going to come down to who can drive. I have seen fixed roof coupe vettes (this was the predecessor to the z06) run 12.60's completely stock, but man the guy could drive. I have seen cobra convertibes stock run back to back 12.90's, but once again the guy could drive. Yes the 02 is rated to have 5 more ponies than the 99. I have seen cobras take out z06's also but the z driver was horrible. I ran my buddies z at the track w/ me driving in turned 12.02-12..22 that was with dragradials and nothing more.When he drove it the best it would run was 12.85. But once again I drove it like I stole it. My buddy's 03 cobra has gone 12.98 completely stock on a slippery track. His best 60 was 2.08</P>

i think that the cobra would win.

If a Stock SVT Cobra beat a Z06, then the Z driver sucked. I'm sorry fellas, the Cobra is a great car with lots of power, but it weighs too much. It will have a tough time beating a stock C5. If your brother has an intake and exhaust, and he drives good, your history, especially once he hits over 100mph. Look at power to weight ratios!!! Also, to make it fair, he should be able to put on a supercharger too<IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">

that doesnt make anything fair. race what you brung.

that doesnt make anything fair. race what you brung. </P>


What's not fair. It would be two cars with blowers, not just one. That's my point exactly. I love Ford, but I think they should try and compete with naturally aspirated motors. Superchargers are fun, but I think should be reserved for the aftermarket. If I put a SC on my C5, I will be running 500+ hp. I plan to do this soon with a Ligenfelter package.</P>

if GM chooses not to run boost that's their gig, but ford does. why pull some ricer "if i had this i would have won" s**t? race it or don't, butquitmaking excuses

if GM chooses not to run boost that's their gig, but ford does. why pull some ricer "if i had this i would have won" s**t? race it or don't, butquitmaking excuses </P>


No excuse made, I stated a Stock Vette would win vs. a Stock Cobra. I'm sorry dude, but unless his brother sucks behind the wheel and he's good, that's the only way. Face it man. I made the blower analogy because that's what Ford has to do to keep up with the big boys these days. I grew up a Ford person, but always hated they had their highest performance car available with a V6. I love the new GT40 that's coming out, and it's going to smoke almost anything, but again, why not go with a naturally aspirated motor like all of the other big players.</P>

they're going for smaller displacement and new technology unlike the other big players. the only way to stay alive is to keep improving, be it in price or features...thats what killed F-Bodies.

they're going for smaller displacement and new technology unlike the other big players. the only way to stay alive is to keep improving, be it in price or features...thats what killed F-Bodies. </P>


What killed the F Bodies was sales. Mustangs always outsould the F-bodies, even when they were slower. This is the first year Mustangs have put out competitive numbers, a year in which no F-bodies are around. I won't argue for f-bodies though, as I am not a big fan of them. GM really disgraced the Corvette by putting Vette Motors in those cars. Lucky for Vette owners, they gave us a better cam, heads, and lifters. I guess they would do that for $20k more.</P>

why do you think they had poor sales? they didnt improve their styling, s**tty interior, old technology, nor price. </P>


if im not mistaken they didnt have any difference in enginespost 2000 cause they accidentally mixed them up sometimes so they just made them all the same...ask dan, i think he said that.</P>

why do you think they had poor sales? they didnt improve their styling, s**tty interior, old technology, nor price. </P>


if im not mistaken they didnt have any difference in enginespost 2000 cause they accidentally mixed them up sometimes so they just made them all the same...ask dan, i think he said that.</P>


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Like I said, I'm not going to defend those cars b/c I don't like them, so don't get so pissy. They did have poor sales compared to Mustangs, check it out for yourself. Poor sales is a component of everything you stated. It's not rocket science.</P>

i know...i own joo

i know...i own joo </P>


Nope, you showed you're ignorance and pointed out the components of what I ultimately stated. Looks like you were owned. By the way, what do you drive?</P>

how was i owned? you say their sales dropped and were vague as hell...that means i win for knowing why the sales dropped.</P>


and the irony in the statement "you showed you're ignorance"...you use the wrong word. should have been "your".</P>


ps i drive a 1976 mustang IIghia</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37963.0531018519</editDate></edited>

i know...i own joo </P>


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I guess you showed yours too...joo should have been you...jack ass, lol.</P>


Wow, I can't believe you are arguing performance and you drive a Mustang II.</P><edited><editID>DontEvenTry</editID><editDate>37963.0548032407</editDate></edited>

what are you talking about moron? stang II's can smoke vettes all day long</P>

LOL, A four cyclinder Mustang II, that came out due to the Emission Standards of the 70's, and it can smoke a C5. You must be referring to the old Cobra's from the 60's. I'll tell you what, drive that rocket up to Dallas sometime and I'll even let you have a 1 mile lead, lol.

alright...but i should be giving you the headstart bucko. this bitch can fly</P>

they're going for smaller displacement and new technology unlike the other big players. the only way to stay alive is to keep improving, be it in price or features...thats what killed F-Bodies. </P>


What killed the F Bodies was sales. Mustangs always outsould the F-bodies, even when they were slower. This is the first year Mustangs have put out competitive numbers, a year in which no F-bodies are around. I won't argue for f-bodies though, as I am not a big fan of them. GM really disgraced the Corvette by putting Vette Motors in those cars. Lucky for Vette owners, they gave us a better cam, heads, and lifters. I guess they would do that for $20k more.</P>


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What killed the fbody was the lack of marketing by GM....slow sales were only helped by their lack of marketing.</P>


Ford marketed the Mustang, and still is. Its funny how you use the Mustangs put out more competitive numbers when the Fbodies are around, just goes to show thatFbodies were really hurting the Mustangs sales when they were around.</P>


GM gave up, and the Fbody sales slowed and died. They will be back though, but in the meantime, have fun fighting off the GTO. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

they're going for smaller displacement and new technology unlike the other big players. the only way to stay alive is to keep improving, be it in price or features...thats what killed F-Bodies. </P>


What killed the F Bodies was sales. Mustangs always outsould the F-bodies, even when they were slower. This is the first year Mustangs have put out competitive numbers, a year in which no F-bodies are around. I won't argue for f-bodies though, as I am not a big fan of them. GM really disgraced the Corvette by putting Vette Motors in those cars. Lucky for Vette owners, they gave us a better cam, heads, and lifters. I guess they would do that for $20k more.</P>


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What killed the fbody was the lack of marketing by GM....slow sales were only helped by their lack of marketing.</P>


Ford marketed the Mustang, and still is. Its funny how you use the Mustangs put out more competitive numbers when the Fbodies are around, just goes to show thatFbodies were really hurting the Mustangs sales when they were around.</P>


GM gave up, and the Fbody sales slowed and died. They will be back though, but in the meantime, have fun fighting off the GTO. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


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Personally, I think GM could have done better with the GTO. It looks just like a Grand Am. It will be fast, but the numbers so far don't prove it to be any faster than the old F Bodies with LS1's.</P>

yeah im realy disapointed with the new look of the GTO. sure the numbers are good but they could have made it look like a muscle car not a luxury car, but oh well i cant afford one lol.

Wow,</P>


A great deal of responses on this topic. I saw some replies about f-bodies. I agree with most of the stang guys. The f-body was uncomfortable rattled like a model T Ford. No that was not a shot at the Ford guy's. The neighbor has one and oh my god I does it rattle. However, you get what you pay for a stripped down 2000 z-28 w/employee discounts and incentives was about 23k out the door. I do disagree w/ the argument about old technology. The LS1/LS6 is a state of the art OHV motor. Along with the 03 cobra motor the LS6 was voted as one of the best V8 motors in the world by Hot Rod Magazine. I know I will get a lot of flames for this, but oh well. There is not a stock Z-28 or Cobra that will compete w/ a stock C5 in any performance category. Over the summer Motor Trend did a comparison between the 03 Cobra convertible and the 03 Vette convertible. The Vette won in every performance category check it out http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html target=)</P>


Don't kill the messenger! And yes I know and agree throw about 2000 grand @ the cobra and you have a low low 11 second machine. Like I said on another forum the new cobras are the Grand National of the new millennium. Throw a chip in em, turn up the boost, cold air intake and exhaust, and look the f*&amp;k out!</P>

Wow,</P>


A great deal of responses on this topic. I saw some replies about f-bodies. I agree with most of the stang guys. The f-body was uncomfortable rattled like a model T Ford. No that was not a shot at the Ford guy's. The neighbor has one and oh my god I does it rattle. However, you get what you pay for a stripped down 2000 z-28 w/employee discounts and incentives was about 23k out the door. I do disagree w/ the argument about old technology. The LS1/LS6 is a state of the art OHV motor. Along with the 03 cobra motor the LS6 was voted as one of the best V8 motors in the world by Hot Rod Magazine. I know I will get a lot of flames for this, but oh well. There is not a stock Z-28 or Cobra that will compete w/ a stock C5 in any performance category. Over the summer Motor Trend did a comparison between the 03 Cobra convertible and the 03 Vette convertible. The Vette won in every performance category check it out http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html target=)</P>


Don't kill the messenger! And yes I know and agree throw about 2000 grand @ the cobra and you have a low low 11 second machine. Like I said on another forum the new cobras are the Grand National of the new millennium. Throw a chip in em, turn up the boost, cold air intake and exhaust, and look the f*&amp;k out!</P>


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Finally, someone makes a valid point. Thanks David!!!</P>

Wow,</P>


A great deal of responses on this topic. I saw some replies about f-bodies. I agree with most of the stang guys. The f-body was uncomfortable rattled like a model T Ford. No that was not a shot at the Ford guy's. The neighbor has one and oh my god I does it rattle. However, you get what you pay for a stripped down 2000 z-28 w/employee discounts and incentives was about 23k out the door. I do disagree w/ the argument about old technology. The LS1/LS6 is a state of the art OHV motor. Along with the 03 cobra motor the LS6 was voted as one of the best V8 motors in the world by Hot Rod Magazine. I know I will get a lot of flames for this, but oh well. There is not a stock Z-28 or Cobra that will compete w/ a stock C5 in any performance category. Over the summer Motor Trend did a comparison between the 03 Cobra convertible and the 03 Vette convertible. The Vette won in every performance category check it out http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_cobvet/index.html target=)</P>


Don't kill the messenger! And yes I know and agree throw about 2000 grand @ the cobra and you have a low low 11 second machine. Like I said on another forum the new cobras are the Grand National of the new millennium. Throw a chip in em, turn up the boost, cold air intake and exhaust, and look the f*&amp;k out!</P>


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Finally, someone makes a valid point. Thanks David!!!</P>


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of course my point doesnt count cause you dont agree with it. <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0"></P>

Good call dave. I just read this forum todayand i would have brought up that article too. I am a huge mustang fan and i could have bought a zo6 but, instead i opted to buy an 04 cobra because like you said you can buy a cobra and put enough money to make it more powerful and faster than a zo6 and i think even a viper! </P>


Now I have been trying to do figure out how and this is what i want to do bare with me though i am new at this stuff and anyone jump in if you want...</P>


1st INCOMING AIR: Seems easy. Now everyone in this forum knows that the '04 cobras come with an Eaton blower with8 psi, now i heard of a pulley that you can put on the superchargers that creates more boost that a supercharger can produce, is this true? If it isthen whats and called and who makes the best one? Now also I know that cold air is important so a cold air intake with a k&amp;n filter would also be intalled. From my understanding the stock 57mm twin bore throttle body is plenty big, right? Now I believe thats it for incoming.</P>


2nd MORE FEUL: Now to match that air im going to need more feul. How? feul pump andfeul injectors, right? Im still scetchy on that.</P>


3rd IGNTITION: Now i believe a better spark plug and maybe MSDS Ignition systems right? But what kind should i get?</P>


4th ANYTHING IM FORGETTING ON THE ENGINE I SHOULD CONSIDER?</P>


5th EXHAUST: FLOWMASTERS ( no brainer) with a bassani X-pipe. (when i got my v6 when i was in the military i put 18in. chrome icw rims and flowmasters( with a home made h-pipe)on it. it was a 98 and yellow with mirror tint (i didnt have that much money) but i loved the sound of my flowmasters. so i want them again</P>


drivetrain: help me out dont know chit about it</P>


SUSPENSION: Eibach lowering springs</P>


LET ME KNOW HOW IM DOING SO FAR AND IF YOU WANT TO HELP ID APPRECIATE IT.</P>


I WANT THE CAR TO HAVEmore HP, torque, and a better 1/4 mile time and handlingthan a srt-10 and z06. thanx if ya help.</P>


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yeah im realy disapointed with the new look of the GTO. sure the numbers are good but they could have made it look like a muscle car not a luxury car, but oh well i cant afford one lol. </P>


Yeah you're right. Pontiac is more along the lines of Chevrolets luxury car division anymore. I know the GTO doesnt have a twin in Chevy's line up. But the TA was more of a luxury sport coupe where as the Camaro was for balls out performance. Same with the Crapolier, the Sunfire was slightly more luxurious and had a few more options than the Crapolier, but it was just as quick.</P>


Personally if I'm payin 30k for a GTO I want it to be a damn nice car and be quick as hell too...which is why lately I'd take a TA WS6 over an SS. </P>

I see a lot of bad information and inaccuracies, but I'm not even going to bother - the only thing I'm going to point out is the motor trend link.</P>


They tested an 03 Cobra Convertible, even heavier than the 03 Cobra Coupe <IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0"></P>

yeah im realy disapointed with the new look of the GTO. sure the numbers are good but they could have made it look like a muscle car not a luxury car, but oh well i cant afford one lol. </P>


Yeah you're right. Pontiac is more along the lines of Chevrolets luxury car division anymore. I know the GTO doesnt have a twin in Chevy's line up. But the TA was more of a luxury sport coupe where as the Camaro was for balls out performance. Same with the Crapolier, the Sunfire was slightly more luxurious and had a few more options than the Crapolier, but it was just as quick.</P>


Personally if I'm payin 30k for a GTO I want it to be a damn nice car and be quick as hell too...which is why lately I'd take a TA WS6 over an SS. </P>


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From what I've seen of the inside of TA's (not even close to luxury), my interpretation of pontiac is just a more "performance styled" version of chevy's crappier looking vehicles</P>

Yes the 2001 and above vettes have 5 more hp, but they have a better curve. The 2001 auto was as fast as a 2000 manual. The vette is light and agile, and will be hard to beat on a twisty. Fine car, don't knock it, especially if you never drove one. I hate it when people claim to be experts on a car and they never even drove the car that they are crapping on. If You own a Ford why do you have to hate Chev. We all are USA buddies, both are nice cars.

Good call dave. I just read this forum todayand i would have brought up that article too. I am a huge mustang fan and i could have bought a zo6 but, instead i opted to buy an 04 cobra because like you said you can buy a cobra and put enough money to make it more powerful and faster than a zo6 and i think even a viper! </P>


Now I have been trying to do figure out how and this is what i want to do bare with me though i am new at this stuff and anyone jump in if you want...</P>


1st INCOMING AIR: Seems easy. Now everyone in this forum knows that the '04 cobras come with an Eaton blower with8 psi, now i heard of a pulley that you can put on the superchargers that creates more boost that a supercharger can produce, is this true? If it isthen whats and called and who makes the best one? Now also I know that cold air is important so a cold air intake with a k&amp;n filter would also be intalled. From my understanding the stock 57mm twin bore throttle body is plenty big, right? Now I believe thats it for incoming.</P>


2nd MORE FEUL: Now to match that air im going to need more feul. How? feul pump andfeul injectors, right? Im still scetchy on that.</P>


3rd IGNTITION: Now i believe a better spark plug and maybe MSDS Ignition systems right? But what kind should i get?</P>


4th ANYTHING IM FORGETTING ON THE ENGINE I SHOULD CONSIDER?</P>


5th EXHAUST: FLOWMASTERS ( no brainer) with a bassani X-pipe. (when i got my v6 when i was in the military i put 18in. chrome icw rims and flowmasters( with a home made h-pipe)on it. it was a 98 and yellow with mirror tint (i didnt have that much money) but i loved the sound of my flowmasters. so i want them again</P>


drivetrain: help me out dont know chit about it</P>


SUSPENSION: Eibach lowering springs</P>


LET ME KNOW HOW IM DOING SO FAR AND IF YOU WANT TO HELP ID APPRECIATE IT.</P>


I WANT THE CAR TO HAVEmore HP, torque, and a better 1/4 mile time and handlingthan a srt-10 and z06. thanx if ya help.</P>


It will be easy for the car to make more power than a z06 and turn better 1/4 times than a completely stock ZO6. First you need an upper and lower pulley to create more boost, second you will need a cold air intake, third you will need a different plenum, 4th complete exhaust, including headers and x-pipe, you'll need a set of slicks or et streets to get the thing to hook. Once it hooks you're going to have to put a new heavy duty clutch in it and finally throw away the IRS rearend because it will grenade!!! It is going to take a lot of money to get your car to handle as a well as a z06. Believe it or not the Z is a factory race car. The Cobra weighs about 600 lbs more it will take a lot to get it to perform as well as the z on a road course. You will probably have 50k in the car including the price to get the cobra to beat the z in all performance categories. You can buy a new z for around 44k sink 8k in it for the lingefelter supercharger package and you will have a 10 second daily driver that will get 28 miles to the gallon on the highway and pull 1g on the skid pad. </P>

I guess I will just say a little something to get in on this Ford vs Chevy BS. For one thing ya ok the 03 cobra is supercharged (who cares). Some car companiesexperiment withdiffernt ways in making power. Alot of you GM people cry about how Ford needs a supercharger to have a fast car. The 2000 Cobra R was a n/a car pushin alot of power so happy there is your modern n/a Ford. Its not like its a big war to them they just want to try differnt things out and see how they work. In another thread I have alsoposted this but ya'll might not have read it. In october 02 of MM&amp;FF took a stock 03 cobra and ran a best time of 12.43 @ 113. Sounds kinda like the z06 right ? Then they added the Pully off the SVT lightning and then ran a 12.01 @118 mph. And again now useing MT Street Slicks they got it too run a 11.68 @119. Now that is way under $2000 in performance mods. Just be happy with what you are with and stop complaining you GM p****s.&nbsp

[QUOTE=T5superduty]I guess I will just say a little something to get in on this Ford vs Chevy BS. For one thing ya ok the 03 cobra is supercharged (who cares). Some car companiesexperiment withdiffernt ways in making power. Alot of you GM people cry about how Ford needs a supercharger to have a fast car. The 2000 Cobra R was a n/a car pushin alot of power so happy there is your modern n/a Ford. Its not like its a big war to them they just want to try differnt things out and see how they work. In another thread I have alsoposted this but ya'll might not have read it. In october 02 of MM&amp;FF took a stock 03 cobra and ran a best time of 12.43 @ 113. Sounds kinda like the z06 right ? Then they added the Pully off the SVT lightning and then ran a 12.01 @118 mph. And again now useing MT Street Slicks they got it too run a 11.68 @119. Now that is way under $2000 in performance mods. Just be happy with what you are with and stop complaining you GM p****s.&

If you want to even go way back in history Ford had always made way faster cars then most other car companies. Such as the 1964 Thunderbolt. There are few american car companies who have made 10 second cars from the factory. Ford is one <IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">

Well here is the way it ended: Just to make it clear the 03 cobra does not kill the c5. the cobra is stock and the c5 has intake and exhaust. In first gear the cobra can jump about a half a car length to 3/4 of a car lengths ahead, by 60 mph the c5 is creeping back and by 100 its winning and anything after that its not even a race. the top end on the LS1 vette is untouchable. In the quarter mile this race is probabely a drivers race, but unless you have some mods on the cobra it wont touch the Z06.

On a straight run the Cobra. When it's time to make a turn the C5.