an 8.8 would be wise. you can get the takeoff rear for $875 from hillbank i think with gears already in it....as for the driveshaft, there were a few guys here who broke theirs....you will only gain power from the driveshaft as well as reliability. If you plan on doing more modding than just the blower....then get the 8.8 if not, just get gears, t-lok, driveshaft
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From what I understand there are a few mods that will provide maximum enjoyment of F/I on our cars but are not absolutely necessary unless you plan to head straight to the track or if you want to go 300 mph!!! I would say that t-lock or 8.8 takeoff, aluminum drive shaft, lower control arms (possibly uppers as well), and wider tires (especially if you have the stock 16's ) would be a great start.
p.s. There still is room for one more in the x-charger group buy if you change your mind. Good luck though with your choice whatever that is.
I don't know guys....$7500 is a bit much. I mean, I got my 2005 Mustang for $13,500, they raped on interest though, which I got refinancied pretty quickly. But to spend more than half of the cost of my car just on mods....eh. Yeah.
$6000 I was willing to do, but now he wants $7500 and he told me, "The bill keeps piling on as you get more and more mods." I just don't understand why no other place in which I inquired a supercharger, told me that I needed a new driveshaft or 8.8 rear or anything of that sort. Does that mean the place I'm inquiring this supercharger, knows what they are doing or are complete morons?
So, apart from the $6000 supercharger/install/tune, apart from the $270 t-lok, apart from the $580 drivetrain, I have to get a $800 8.8 rear?
Which comes out to $8,300?
I didn't think getting a supercharger was going to be so expensive....I figured it was just the kit and thats it.
From what I understand there are a few mods that will provide maximum enjoyment of F/I on our cars but are not absolutely necessary unless you plan to head straight to the track or if you want to go 300 mph!!! I would say that t-lock or 8.8 takeoff, aluminum drive shaft, lower control arms (possibly uppers as well), and wider tires (especially if you have the stock 16's ) would be a great start.
p.s. There still is room for one more in the x-charger group buy if you change your mind. Good luck though with your choice whatever that is.
Yeah, I'm seriously considering just getting a weaker supercharger. But I know if I do, I just won't be happy with it. My goal was to be as fast or faster than a Mustang GT. But I don't think I'd go with X-Charger. The regular Vortech supercharger dishes out the same HP output but $700 cheaper according to statistics and details.
With the new driveshaft, think about if you ever plan to lower the car (or if you are already lowered) and the diameter of the new shaft. I have the 4" shaft and it is great, but if I was lowered then I'd be swapping and getting the 3.5" because the bigger diameter can rub on a lowered car.
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You don't *have* to get any of those things with your supercharger. The drive shaft that exploded at 120 mph was the original 05. About half way through the year, they started putting retention clips in the u-joints. I don't think anybody has had theirs come apart with the new version, but I may be wrong. That being said, the drive shaft replacement is not a bad idea. It isn't just about durability. As has been pointed out, the aftermarket drive shafts are much lighter and provide a little better performance. You don't have to get the t-lock either, although it will make it very hard to harness all your power at launch.
Additionally, you can get the supercharger now and do the other mods later. It isn't like it has to all be a package deal.
Although, if you are worried about money then just get in on the x-charger group buy and install it yourself! Of course I say that because we need one more buyer. But I do believe that you will find an x-charged car has more power than a GT.
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Wait, in the website it said it installs in one hour with only hand tools?
Why the **** did the guy raise the price from $6000 to $7500 for that? I know the t-lok usually is $500 to install and about $275. But they are installing the supercharger already so it should just be one of those things they can do "while doing the supercharger". Shouldn't be that much extra work. But wtf? For that, I'll let them install the SC and t-lok, then install the driveshaft myself.
You don't *have* to get any of those things with your supercharger. The drive shaft that exploded at 120 mph was the original 05. About half way through the year, they started putting retention clips in the u-joints. I don't think anybody has had theirs come apart with the new version, but I may be wrong. That being said, the drive shaft replacement is not a bad idea. It isn't just about durability. As has been pointed out, the aftermarket drive shafts are much lighter and provide a little better performance. You don't have to get the t-lock either, although it will make it very hard to harness all your power at launch.
Additionally, you can get the supercharger now and do the other mods later. It isn't like it has to all be a package deal.
Although, if you are worried about money then just get in on the x-charger group buy and install it yourself! Of course I say that because we need one more buyer. But I do believe that you will find an x-charged car has more power than a GT.
GT comes with 300 stock HP. Really only making 285 HP after drivetrain loss. The X-Charger only claims 280HP with its H/O system. But it costs $4000-$4200. The S-trim Vortech regular system claims that much but cheaper. Thats why I don't want an X-Charger.
However, to get back to the topic at hand, I could wait to get that stuff later, but I figured it would have been more expensive.
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i say take your planned mod money, and the v6 & trade it in, and get you a GT.. lol.. cause even when you mod this v6 up, us with GTs are mod'n ours up.. you'll never catch us..
i say take your planned mod money, and the v6 & trade it in, and get you a GT.. lol.. cause even when you mod this v6 up, us with GTs are mod'n ours up.. you'll never catch us..
[sarcasm]And your very wise input is really appreciated in this section. Thank you so much for that. [/sarcasm]
The GT has about 260 at the wheels, hipo x gives between 270-295. also with the low end power on the dyno curve (see their website) and a lighter vehicle (v6) you will def have a faster than stock GT. If you get in on the group buy, the hipo kit without tuner will be 3695 and you could do the install yourself. That would leave you some extra cash for other mods and you will have the ability to upgrade to an intercooler later if you still want more power.
Finally, yes of course the GT guys are modding their GT's and eventually with enough mods they will be faster than us (As if we need to be reminded of the obvious). We could trade in our 6ers for GT's, but why stop there? I might trade in for Viper or ZO6 and stick a turbo on it and blow you GT guys out of the water. If money were no object that would be a great idea. I think you just have to set your goals and decide what will make you happy. I do not intend to be driving up and down the main strip racing everything that pulls up along side of me. I just want to have fun, feel some torque throw me against the seat and have a sweet ride. All the F/I systems will get you there. If your goal is to beat everything else out there you had better have a good career to earn the money you'll need. Good luck man.
If $7500 is what its gonna cost me to have the Vortech, then **** that.
I'd rather settle for less HP and get the X-Charger, have a bunch of fun installing the damn thing myself (no sarcasm intended, I love working on my car), then get a t-lok installed and be happy with the extra boost.
I might just go with that 10th spot, for good, no backing out. I'll call that place tomorrow and see what they might be able to do for me. If they can't do anything, I'll be calling Dave back at explorerexpress for that 10th spot and save me $2000-$3500.
ok since im the guy that blew his driveshaft on the dyno after installing my x charger back in 06ill chime in. the 05s and some of the 06's had drive shafts that did not use clips on the u joints . look under your car and if the u-joints have retainer clips you should be fine. i replaced my broken shaft with an 06 updated shaft and have had it dynoed plenty of time and been at the track many times also. i at 282 hp ish and still running fine. mach blew his on the dyno also but ruptured his gas tank . i was lucky and just broke the shaft.
Mav - you've definitely done your research and I'm certainly not going to tell you the vortech is the wrong choice. I think you will probably love it, and if we ever meet up at the track you'll probably whoop me. Here's the advice I do have regarding the add-ons:
The t-lock is definitely worth doing, and opening up the rear diff is not a do-it-yourself job for most guys. It is also a job on the complete opposite end from the supercharger, and so I don't think I would approach it as a package deal. Find out what they are going to charge for installation, and then decide if it's worth it to you. When I looked at it, I wanted 3.73 gears and the t-lock. The parts were close to 500 (with an installation kit) and with labor on top of it, I decided it made more sense to spend $900 to get the rear end and install it myself. It took me about 4 hours with the help of a friend with air tools, so it is still a big job, but it wasn't bad.
Regarding the drive shaft, ask your installer how much to install the drive shaft. Doing a drive shaft really is simple, so they shouldn't charge much for it. You might also look into getting the shaftmaster shaft and having them install it. If he is adding 1500 including parts to install the t-lock and driveshaft, get him to itemize that.
And finally, not to sidetrack the thread, the guy who suggested just getting a GT really does have a point that needs to be considered. You are throwing a lot of money at your car to make it a little bit quicker than a GT, but you sacrifice the warranty. I gave this a lot of consideration and finally decided that it would be a lot cooler to me to have the v6 and do the upgrades myself, but a big part of that was the fact that I was doing it myself. I'd have a cool supercharged v6, and I could say that I did all the mod's (including the supercharger) myself.
Anyway, it sounds like you are thinking everything through, and trying to get a deal that your are happy with, and that's the most important thing. Good luck and we will all be anxious to hear about your progress.
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Wait, in the website it said it installs in one hour with only hand tools?
Why the **** did the guy raise the price from $6000 to $7500 for that? I know the t-lok usually is $500 to install and about $275. But they are installing the supercharger already so it should just be one of those things they can do "while doing the supercharger". Shouldn't be that much extra work. But wtf? For that, I'll let them install the SC and t-lok, then install the driveshaft myself.
The switching to a GT argument makes sense before you bought the V6 if you really wanted to have more power. I looked into trading up before I started this venture and it seemed that I would end up spending more money after taking a loss on my current car and then paying the difference for a used GT. After thinking it over I also thought it would be cool to have a supercharged v6 which I had done most of the work on myself. I also knew I would wind up sinking some money into modding the GT as well. Well I am done blubbering, Mav sounds like you have some great options and a great start, good luck with everything. If you go X charger you will make 9 other guys very happy but get what makes you happy.
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i say take your planned mod money, and the v6 & trade it in, and get you a GT.. lol.. cause even when you mod this v6 up, us with GTs are mod'n ours up.. you'll never catch us..
[sarcasm]And your very wise input is really appreciated in this section. Thank you so much for that. [/sarcasm]
[drippingwetsarcasm]well considering i didn't even know what "SECTION" i was in, cause i just saw the thread on the "posted today" page, and i didn't know i was gonna HURT someone's feelings by being overly straight-forward and honest... i take it all back.. get that v6 to run 300mph.. you can dooo eeeetttt[/blah]
The GT/V6 crap does not need to be here period. We had enough of it before, and we don't need it here again. The issue was about a supercharger, he is using a GT as a guide to the speed/hp he wants to achieve. If he wanted to trade it in for a different car, then he wouldn't have created a supercharger thread.
EDIT: Removed the quote from post that I just yanked - 28HopUp
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