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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 I must have missed the part of the vid where they were on a AutoX course. Racing from a roll shows nothing about how a car is going to do on a handling course.
Chances are if you cannot get off the line, you cannot handle either.
1: 60' time doesn't help much either. I only used autoX as an example.
2: Just about any open wheeled pro race car (CART, IRL, F1) will trap around 180 mph in the 1/4 mile, yet, the fastest of them all, F1, can only manage a low 9's run. On the other hand, drag cars that are awsome at launching can't handle at all.
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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 I must have missed the part of the vid where they were on a AutoX course. Racing from a roll shows nothing about how a car is going to do on a handling course.
Chances are if you cannot get off the line, you cannot handle either.
1: 60' time doesn't help much either. I only used autoX as an example.
2: Just about any open wheeled pro race car (CART, IRL, F1) will trap around 180 mph in the 1/4 mile, yet, the fastest of them all, F1, can only manage a low 9's run. On the other hand, drag cars that are awsome at launching can't handle at all.
I want to see proof of this.
Me too. BTW, if it is true, the only reason for it is that the gearing in the cars is set up so much for all top end pull. Hell, at the big circle tracks they sometimes give the nascars a push to get em started.
It has nothing to do with not having the right setup to launch (other than the gears, a few minute swap job for these guys).
And we are not talking about million dollar single purpose cars. We are talking about cars that people modify to drive/race on the street/strip/track.
BTW, another point I forgot to mention was the entire FWD= bad ass handling car. When did this get started? Ever tried to use throttle to steer yourself around a curve in a FWD car? You had better get out that John Deere, because your gonna be plowing.
I would race a equal wieght/horsepower FWD car vs a RWD car on a track any day of the week, if they both had similar coin spent on the suspension. Its not like the SRT-4's main area is circle track racing.
This isn't even mentioning the V8 vs 4cyl thing. If you really think that racing from a roll is a good indicator of how your gonna do on a circle track, consider that you don't get to choose the RPMs that you come out of the curve on. Its not like roll racing where you can set it up to be in your upper band. You may come out of a curve just into a gear, or at the very top of one. I would much rather have a V8 with a fatter curve for this than a 4cyl with the same WHP making all of it between 6 and 7500 RPM.
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Proof of what? the F1 and Indy cars doing 9 second 1/4 miles?
Other than asking around the F1 forums, there're two articles I know of that document these data. The July 1999 issue of R&T and the March 2001 issue. They tested a bunch of cars, from a Diablo (slowest) to a top fuel (fastest). In the middle they had everything from a Nascar to a ZX-12R. All the pro racecars were in the 9's, with the F1 (800hp, 1320lbs) trapping the highest.
In the March 2001 issue, they tested a Jaguar racing F1. The car went from 0-60 in 2.8 seconds, but hit 160 mph in 6.6s (3.8s later). This shows that their initial launch sucks, but top end acceleration is nothing but breathtaking. The 1/4 mile was 9.3s @ 184 mph i think, but you have to check it out yourself. The reason? Without the added downforce at higher speeds, the rear wheels spin hopelessly.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 Its not like the SRT-4's main area is circle track racing.
This isn't even mentioning the V8 vs 4cyl thing. If you really think that racing from a roll is a good indicator of how your gonna do on a circle track, consider that you don't get to choose the RPMs that you come out of the curve on. Its not like roll racing where you can set it up to be in your upper band. You may come out of a curve just into a gear, or at the very top of one. I would much rather have a V8 with a fatter curve for this than a 4cyl with the same WHP making all of it between 6 and 7500 RPM.
1: I never said the SRT-4 is an awsome handling car did I? But again, it's pretty respectable. It outbraked the $200,000 Lambo Gallardo, it out slaloomed the Ferrari F575 Marannelo. Sure it's not world class, but give credit where it's due.
2: Did I say roll-on acceleration means better lap times? Or did I say that it's a lot more important than off the line acceleration? Don't change my words. And F1 would loose to the 8.99s LPH Vette off the line, but would eat it alive ina roll-on. Trust me, in road racing, the last thing they care about is 60' times.
Since you brought up the SRT-4 again, I'll say something about its "weak little wimpy 4 cyl". In contrast to what people often believe, the SRT-4 is got one of the fattest torque curves out there. The engine itself would be perfectly suited for track racing. It's not a peaky motor at all. But then again, Nascar, F1, IRL, you name it, all have extremely peaky engines. Nacar makes almost no power till 5000 rpms. For an F1, you better stay in the 5 digit figure.
Lastly, you don't throttle steer in FWD cars. Most FWD cars understeer, therefore you left foot brake to shift the brake bias rearwards and neutral out the balance.
Zero to 60 mph in 2.7 seconds is amazing enough, but even more impressive is how this continues right on past the quarter mile, reported by Ford/Jaguar's Neil Ressler at 181.0 mph in 9.4 sec. (see "Kings of the Quarter Mile," June 2000).
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ORIGINAL: sp3nis IM saying roll races are ghey thats what im saying lol
Did I say they're not? Did I ever say "race the SRT from a roll and see what happens?" No.
I simply said there's more to autosports than dragracing.
well are we not on topic with drag racing?
its just too bad you guys that are on topic about drag racing didn't own MUSTANGS...
sheesh this place has gone to the dawgs.. LS! guys in here and AUDI guys inhere..wtf??
this is a MUSTANG FORUM BOARD get a clue...
who gives a shiz? sp3nis has or at least had, a Mach I... if he sold it does that make him not entitled to post here anymore?
That line is the most played out, moronic one ever.
I agree, and for all those who dont know. My audi is my daily driver and im representing LOL. My mach1 is in my driveway and will always be. For all my life and my sons i hope. Unless i do trade it in for that 07Shelby...
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 BTW, the 05 5spd coupe will hand one its ass stock for stock, no questions asked. We are talking about the 99-04s.
That, is exactly what I hope to find out when my friend brings his 04 SRT-4 up to visit next month. I went from an 04 SRT-4 to my 05 GT last month (we got our SRT-4's about a month apart). I like the V8 sound better and the body styling, but it just doesn't "feel" as fast to me, and cornering seemed much better before too. That being said, I liked my SRT-4, but I love my stang.
I raced a black Camaro on Friday and spun the tires way to much in 1st and 2nd, I bet it looked and sounded cool though. I did beat him anyway, but I would have beat him by more if I hadn't spun so much. He kept trying, from 2nd gear, off the line, 3rd gear, then we bounced back and forth for the next 15 miles, until I had to exit.
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ORIGINAL: sp3nis IM saying roll races are ghey thats what im saying lol
Did I say they're not? Did I ever say "race the SRT from a roll and see what happens?" No.
I simply said there's more to autosports than dragracing.
well are we not on topic with drag racing?
its just too bad you guys that are on topic about drag racing didn't own MUSTANGS...
sheesh this place has gone to the dawgs.. LS! guys in here and AUDI guys inhere..wtf??
this is a MUSTANG FORUM BOARD get a clue...
You really don't know how long I have been waiting for some dumbass to say somthing like this. Maybe the FACT that I have built, owned and continue build fast street cars qualifys me to actually KNOW what I am talking about ( yes I have built several 10 sec. street cars). If that is not enough for you how about this car it went 10.0's at 138 mph, and by golly it's a Mustang (although sadly it never did well in its class, NMRA Real Street). So instead of judging a persons knowlage by what car he/she has in their sig, maybe you should shut up and read, but be carefull you might just learn somthing.
Zero to 60 mph in 2.7 seconds is amazing enough, but even more impressive is how this continues right on past the quarter mile, reported by Ford/Jaguar's Neil Ressler at 181.0 mph in 9.4 sec. (see "Kings of the Quarter Mile," June 2000).
I would never have thought an F1 car would do so well, thanks for the link.
its just too bad you guys that are on topic about drag racing didn't own MUSTANGS...
sheesh this place has gone to the dawgs.. LS! guys in here and AUDI guys inhere..wtf??
this is a MUSTANG FORUM BOARD get a clue...
And I guess you know more about fast cars than me because I own an LS1? Teh 17 second car > than teh 11 second car!!!!1
Maybe your boyfriend with the "ram air" hood is fast? It's a ram air, it must be fast.
she never said that, but isnt that common sense??? j/k
OICW, i dont mind racing from a roll, come on man, wouldnt you agree that racing from a dig not only shows a car's ability, but also the drivers ability better then from a roll?? course any stang would rather race its arch rival from a dig instead of a roll i guess, maybe im just making another stang excuse huh
its just too bad you guys that are on topic about drag racing didn't own MUSTANGS...
sheesh this place has gone to the dawgs.. LS! guys in here and AUDI guys inhere..wtf??
this is a MUSTANG FORUM BOARD get a clue...
And I guess you know more about fast cars than me because I own an LS1?
Teh 17 second car > than teh 11 second car!!!!1
Maybe your boyfriend with the "ram air" hood is fast? It's a ram air, it must be fast.
no his ram air hood doesnt make it go any faster..lmao but you have to admit it looks kool. dont be a hater pal. im just pointing out that you guys come here with your imprt sigs and GM sigs and its a mustang forum board thats all im saying. show some LOVE for your stang sheesh....
ORIGINAL: 01GTvertible OICW, i dont mind racing from a roll, come on man, wouldnt you agree that racing from a dig not only shows a car's ability, but also the drivers ability better then from a roll?? course any stang would rather race its arch rival from a dig instead of a roll i guess, maybe im just making another stang excuse huh
As far as drag racing goes, I would ONLY race from a dig. A roll-on drag race is not a race at all (it tests a car's ability to re-accelerate after a corner at track speeds).
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its just too bad you guys that are on topic about drag racing didn't own MUSTANGS...
sheesh this place has gone to the dawgs.. LS! guys in here and AUDI guys inhere..wtf??
this is a MUSTANG FORUM BOARD get a clue...
And I guess you know more about fast cars than me because I own an LS1?
Teh 17 second car > than teh 11 second car!!!!1
Maybe your boyfriend with the "ram air" hood is fast? It's a ram air, it must be fast.
no his ram air hood doesnt make it go any faster..lmao but you have to admit it looks kool. dont be a hater pal. im just pointing out that you guys come here with your imprt sigs and GM sigs and its a mustang forum board thats all im saying. show some LOVE for your stang sheesh....
Making a car fast is universal, yes there are some minor differences from one type to another, but the principals are the same. Like I said forget about wheather it's a Stang or Camaro or whatever and just read some of our posts, you might learn how to make a car faster.
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it went 10.0's at 138 mph, and by golly it's a Mustang (although sadly it never did well in its class, NMRA Real Street). So instead of judging a persons knowlage by what car he/she has in their sig, maybe you should shut up and read, but be carefull you might just learn somthing.
