Well heres the mod list and some of the parts going into this build for my car. Everything is bought and the motor should be done in 1-2 weeks . I will follow up with pics as I go. Enjoy it . Thanks, Billy
My Mods
ENGINE
05 up Ford alum. 4.6 block
Manley 18cc Dish pistons 9.0/1 .30 with ceramic coated tops and dry film coated skirts
Manley billet pro series rods coated with Poyldyn PD14
Kellogg stroker crank coated with Polydyn PD14
Federal/Mogul Race series bearings Dry film coated
ARP main studs
Livernois VCT lockouts
Comp custom grind cams Lift-490 in. 475 ex.. Dur. 222 in. 231 ex. @.50 with 114 LSA
Comp Beehive springsmoly coated with titanium retainers
Ported heads with 35mm in and 38.5mm ex . ss valves with all ports, valves, and combustion chanbers ceramic coated
ARP 3v head studs
Steeda CMDP deletes
MMR Billet crank gear
MMR Billet rear main support
MMR windage tray
MMR/Ford oil pump
Ford head gaskets
New Ford timing chain, guides and, tentioners
Moroso 7qt. oil pan coated with Polydyn PD14 inside
Miziere elec. Water pump
Autolight HT0 plugs
MSD cops
Inovators West Balancer with custom Procharger crank pulley
Intake plentum, valve covers, and timing cover all coated with Polydyn matalic silver urathane coating
POWER ADDER
Procharger F1-A with 8 rib 3.9 Richard pulley. Blower inlet and all piping ceramic coated outside and PD 14 coated inside with Procharger pro surge valve and 4” intercooler
EXHAUST
Hooker ceramic coated long tubes
Ceramic coated O/R X pipe
Flowmaster Axle back
FUEL SYSTEM
Duel Ford GT with duel -6 to -8 fuel line to Areomotive fuel rails with 83lb Simon Delph injectors
Diablo Mafia
MSD BAP
GT 500/ V-10 TB
TRANSMISSION
5R55S
PA deep pan
PI multi disk 3500 stall
Lakewood alum. DS
REAREND
Ford 8.8
FRPP 3:73 gears
Detroit True Track
Moser 31 spline axles
Moser rear gurtle
SUSPENTION
Totico D-Spec adj. shocks
Eibach Sport Line spings
BMR adj. uca
BMR lca
BMR adj. panard bar
BMR panard brace
BMR k-member
BMR tubular a-arms
BMR front and rear sway bars
BMR boxed subframe connectors
Oh my God!!! I just got a chuby!! Are you doing all this at once?
samus720
03-09-2008, 04:46 PM
Yeah, That is an amazing list! Must have quite the income to be able to afford all of that. The only weak link in the chain is the 5r55s! But judging by what Modaddict has been saying you should be able to fix that in the future as well (hopefully)
ebr
03-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Yea Ive been talking to them about the trans. but I am going to break in and tune with the stock unit and give the guys at Larrys time to get all the R&D done .
MexGT
03-09-2008, 05:07 PM
Good luck ebr, sounds like a nice project !
800 rwhp in 110 octane ?
mynameismike65
03-09-2008, 05:16 PM
[sm=insomnia.gif]Damn thats a long list...........and I thought mine was expensive:D
ebr
03-09-2008, 05:29 PM
Heres a few picks.
ebr
03-09-2008, 05:38 PM
Im going to go as far as I can on 93 oct for the street tune and then tune race fuel to see how far it can go.
white07
03-09-2008, 05:42 PM
How many psi will you be running on the F1? Cant those things make like 30+ psi?
RED121572
03-09-2008, 05:52 PM
Does the insanity ever stop? [&:] lol
samus720
03-09-2008, 05:57 PM
yeah, that is some crazy power though. Have fun!
ebr
03-09-2008, 06:03 PM
Im going to be running 20-24 psi . That should get it there with 110 oct.
ebr
03-09-2008, 06:05 PM
No! And proboly never will .LOL
v8pilot
03-09-2008, 06:46 PM
What do you do for a living and can I be your business partner
wadman
03-09-2008, 06:49 PM
Man thats going to be one bad ride. The only problem I see is the f1 procharger. My friend bought the 05 that Livernois Motorsports built and its not very streetable. Its either all or nothing, wont just cruise along. It likes to be reved.
ebr
03-09-2008, 06:51 PM
Metal roofing . Are you sure you want to work your way up in that ? 100 deg. in Texas heat on metal = 130 + . Just somthing to think about.
mustang fanatic
03-09-2008, 06:57 PM
ORIGINAL: ebr
Metal roofing . Are you sure you want to work your way up in that ? 100 deg. in Texas heat on metal = 130 + . Just somthing to think about.
Ill just invest in you company. ;)
Burnsy
03-09-2008, 07:04 PM
more pics! i bet you can't wait to drive the car...how long has it been again?
Ferrari0324
03-09-2008, 07:38 PM
WOW!!! That's going to be one hell of a ride.
ebr
03-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Send me the check as you can see buy the mode list I could use it about now.
ebr
03-09-2008, 08:07 PM
The Procharger will be fine I drove this car about 200 miles with the F1 on it at 560rwhp but it was not tuned correctly and burnt up fast but this setup is going to Justin at JPC for tunning so I know I will be in good hands for the street and the track tunes.
ebr
03-09-2008, 08:10 PM
November 2006 when I blew the stocker at 12 psi with a P-1 setup at 500/425. Yea I guess its time !
Burnsy
03-09-2008, 08:29 PM
ill say, damn16 months away from the stang, that would make me :(
turbosaleen
03-09-2008, 08:33 PM
Are you doing a Dyno Tune?
GOod luck thats all I got to say. Did you say it will be ready in 1-2 weeks?[&:]
800 Rwhp is a big task! Like I said Good Luck
ebr
03-09-2008, 08:43 PM
The motor will be done in 1-2 weeksthen I install and start the tuning , breakin ect. I would say if this car is on the road tune in 4-6 weeks I would be very happy.
sw07gt
03-09-2008, 09:48 PM
Will this be driven on the street?
ebr
03-09-2008, 10:08 PM
Yes ,with less power.
duke_r2
03-09-2008, 11:47 PM
DAAMN....this is one crazy list. Must be nice...maybe one day!
D_Gusler
03-10-2008, 12:13 AM
Sweet...................
brian06eleanor
03-10-2008, 03:36 PM
great set of mods, a friend of mine just built his 06 3v with twin 61mm turbos and made 880rwhp at 19psi so im sure you will make at least 800 with your boost level, but you will run through 3.73 VERY quickly. good luck on everything
retfr8flyr
03-10-2008, 10:46 PM
If you are planning to be able to hook up 800 rwhp then I would leave the rear rotors stock. The only way you can possibly hook that much power is with 15 inch wheels and big DR’s or slicks. With 14 inch rotors on the rear you would be restricted to an 18 inch wheel and you could never hook with an 18 inch DR.
Earl
matt07GT
03-11-2008, 08:29 AM
Holy .... You should do a DIY write up for all of that :D
modaddict
03-11-2008, 11:00 AM
ORIGINAL: retfr8flyr
If you are planning to be able to hook up 800 rwhp then I would leave the rear rotors stock. The only way you can possibly hook that much power is with 15 inch wheels and big DR’s or slicks. With 14 inch rotors on the rear you would be restricted to an 18 inch wheel and you could never hook with an 18 inch DR.
Earl
Yep.
MexGT
03-11-2008, 11:56 AM
Thats why even the GT500 has the stock rear rotors of a GT.
modaddict
03-11-2008, 12:56 PM
ORIGINAL: wadman
Man thats going to be one bad ride. The only problem I see is the f1 procharger. My friend bought the 05 that Livernois Motorsports built and its not very streetable. Its either all or nothing, wont just cruise along. It likes to be reved.
This is honestly my only concern as well for you. I think justin is going to make it work but my guess is you are going to run A LOT LESS boost than you think for the street tune. The air to air cooled procharger is going to be a headache to street tune at big boost levels and your #83 injectors are going to be a bitch to dial in in the low range. EVERY SINGLE person I know using #83's has not been able to master cruising and idle with them yet. Yes, they have got them to 'work' after lot's of trouble. They are great for WOT at the track but a PIA for daily driving. Good luck with those and keep us informed on them. I'd love to hear someone work out cruising around with them.
My guess is you are going to be in the 12-16 psi range for the street to keep that streetable but that's just my guess. Justin knows how to tune a procharger on the track - there's no debate about it - but I'm curious to see what he can do on a street driven big power car. Best of luck Billy and keep me informed...:)
Larmo
03-11-2008, 01:26 PM
holy crap
ebr
03-12-2008, 07:53 AM
Yes I am aware of that and I will address that after this thing is finaly running again.
ebr
03-12-2008, 07:57 AM
Oh beleive me the 60 lb injectors will be in the back seat just in case . As far as the psi. I will just have wait and see.
modaddict
03-12-2008, 11:50 AM
Just so you know you don't 'need' the #83's at the level anyway. I make almost 1000 to the fly (about 800 to the wheels) and have the following fuel system..
-8 lines throughout
metco high flow rails
#60 injectors
-10 micron filter
GT500 fuel system
Dual 40 amp BAP
forensicsteve
03-12-2008, 06:10 PM
Oh beleive me the 60 lb injectors will be in the back seat just in case
We tried 95 lb injectors and couldn't get them working right at all. Fortunately still had the 60 pounders on hand. Now 2 weeks later and after one of the GT500 pumps failed (replaced), still only have a goodsafe street tune on pump gasat 11 lbs. Race tune is still a couple of weeks away. Try and get car to the track on street tune anyway. This is way more complicated and challenging than I expected.
ebr
03-12-2008, 09:18 PM
A few pics.
Burnsy
03-12-2008, 10:14 PM
damn this thing is a beast.
on a sidenote, I always get you and forensicsteve confused. Your avvys are real similar and both of your cars are monsters.
MexGT
03-12-2008, 10:51 PM
ORIGINAL: Burnsy
damn this thing is a beast.
on a sidenote, I always get you and forensicsteve confused. Your avvys are real similar and both of your cars are monsters.
+1
modaddict
03-13-2008, 01:12 PM
+2...[8D]
ebr
03-13-2008, 09:03 PM
Does this help?
ebr
05-06-2008, 06:42 PM
Well I guees its time to update . Do good news though. First off the kit came with the main bearings for a iron block so that ment a 2 week delay buy the time they went to Polydyn to be coated an got to methen the day after they got here my builder had to go in for back surgerythat turned out to be a little more work than the had thought and that ment more recovory time ( but he is doing well now) then he comes back onlyto find thatthe rods would not fit so I sent the rods back to MMR last Fri. and after reveiwing the rods they called Manley who said they needed to machine .015 off the piston cap wall for the clearance needed with this rotating ass. for the parts to work together so they have done that for me as of today and will ship the rods back out tomarrow. I called Manley to verify this as I am very worried about these rods at this point ,and they said they were aware of some setups needing this kind of machineing with this rod and that I have nothing to worry about that MMR is very a reputable builder and seller of their parts , but the problem is I keep getting conflicting storys be tween the two companys . The rod is a Chevy rod (offset at the bottem) made to fit the ford pistons and Manley said this is how they have always built the I beam rods. Well MMR says the rod have always been with no offset but equal on both sides that is why they thought me and my builder were nuts when we said we had a offset rod . I just hope this is enough clearance . I really do not want any more delays . This really sucks the whole reason I went with the high dollar Billit Pro Series I Beam over the H Beam was for peice of mind and now all I can do is worry about this engine not comeing apart after its togetter even after MMR and Manley have both said it will be fine . Has anyone ever heard of this kind of a problem with Manley Billit Pro Seires I Beam rods or this problem in general (keep in mind these are Manley pistions as well) ? Here are pics of the old rods and the new ones . Also I have decided to take the car to Manny at HPP for the tunning and let him do his magic. After much thought I decided I need a local tunner for this car and I think he will be the best choice after visiting with him today.[/align]
The Manley Pro-series I rods are strong. The one thing is .....they are not billet! Many people say/give them that name, but they are a forged 4340 rod. I know Manley has a different forging process for them compared to the H-beams. For the price, I recommend Oliver Billet rods.
In any event, those rods will handle more than the block itself, so you are ok!
Casey
ebr
05-07-2008, 12:15 PM
The problem is they are on the way back to me now with the piston caps clearenced .015 but they still do not have but .008 clearence per pair on the Kellogg crank and from what I understand per Manley they need .015-.025 per pair. So we still will have to machine them when they get here.
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 12:33 PM
Rod/Main clearance?
Do you have a list of all your tolerances, or is it per manufacture? Gonna be a blueprinted build or done in the garage? Mic'ing everything out I do suppose?
Badass build BTW!
ebr
05-07-2008, 12:43 PM
Yes rod/main clearance. I do not know all of the tolerances. My builder said that it should have .015-.020 for the pair of rods and Manley says .015-.025 and we only have .008. And yes micing everything .
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 01:33 PM
Good deal! Hmmm, maybe get some oneunder bearings to loosen the tolerances up a bit?
ebr
05-07-2008, 01:39 PM
Acually thats my bad I was refering to the rod side claerance not the main clearance.
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 03:19 PM
ooooo rod side clearence is off? Hmmm, get those bearings chamferred down some more!
ebr
05-07-2008, 03:32 PM
Yea wewill once they get back in 4 days. I just cant believe MMR is sending them back to me saying that .008 for the pair is ok, maybe for one but not two and believe me I clarified that with them and they said it was fine for a coated rod but the coating is only .001 so that is not correct the way I see it.
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Ya, I build Mopar Big blocks and Small blocks for a living, and we use coated rods at times on select builds, .001 to .001 with a 7 is usually a good index for coated rods, but still that doesnt make up for that kinda difference, and that is definitely a very tight rod side clearance. Fir the most part our stuff, you can visually check the rod side clearance, because as long as you put the chamferred in to the outside of the main, youll get your number, and anywhere from .015-.025 is usually what we look for as well. If its tighter, we cake a few thousands off on the rod bearings.
ebr
05-07-2008, 04:11 PM
How does taking of the rod bearings give you more side clearance?
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 04:24 PM
Rod side clearance, the space rod to rod, crank main end to crank main end, correct?
If you chamfer the chamfered side of the rod more, then it will go side to side up on that seat furthur, thus giving you more rod side clearance. You do have the chamfered ends going the correct way right?
We have to cut all our rod bearings anyways, so we know to look out for that extra but on a coated rod, so we take a little more off when chamfering them.
CainMotorsports2102
05-07-2008, 04:31 PM
Are the tolerances that tight on the 1-2,3-4,5-6, and 7-8 mains? Or is it just on a few of the mains? Your working in super small numbers, you can make up the digits you need easily =)
ebr
05-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Per Manley and MMR the chamfered side has to go to the inside on this application! I know, I know but that is what they said . The rods will not even go in with the chamfered side out like this rod would install on a chevy . I wish I would have known ahead of time that Manley uses a chevey forgeing for this application.
ebr
05-07-2008, 04:51 PM
Look at the pic in post 46 at the offset on the bottom of the rod it is a chevy rod that Manley reworks to work in the ford setup so they dont have to use a differnt forgeing and that is per Manley. The ford rods are even on both sides.
motoxdirtrider84
05-07-2008, 05:14 PM
those engine bay pics in your myspace....I am assuming they are before your engine blew? Is those procharger tubes powdercoated? what was done to the car at that time?
ebr
05-07-2008, 05:23 PM
The pipes wer painted with high temp paint, thet was the old (new)stroker motor that the Lonestar Performance burnt up on the dyno before they finished the tune .So when I had to pull it again I changed a few things.
ebr
05-18-2008, 09:31 PM
Here is what what I did today. The switch will engage the MSD LM and it will launch off my line lock button that will wire to the cruise control button ar another button I have not decided yet. I just know I want the launch button on the wheel where my hands will be with this auto setup. I also got the Procharger back together and moved the MSD stuff to where the batt. was also you can see the coatings that I used no the Procharger ,the outlet is not polished that is the ceramic coating the same as the intercooler tubes. Also installed the JDM trans. catch can .[/align]
ebr
06-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Well everthing has been machined finaly and the longblock is ready I got the call today and will be picking it up tomarrow ,also today I received a call from Tony at Larrys Transmisions and the new trans should be here on Fri. as it is done as well WOW what a great day Happy Fathers day to me ! I guess you know what Im doing this weekend . Stay tunned , lots of pics to follow after this weekend. I cannot beleive after all this time this thing is finaly going to happen. I will be calling Manny at HPP the end of next week to schedule the breakin tune .[/align]
Roy
06-11-2008, 02:41 PM
What would you say the total price for everything will be? Including parts, labor and such?
Are you planning anything more for the car when this setup is done?
Have fun and good luck with your beast :)
ebr
06-11-2008, 09:44 PM
If I only did everthing once and at the same time maybe 55K including the car new but progresive builds cost more . Forgot to add that this set up will be the final one unless something blows!
Mishri
06-11-2008, 09:57 PM
Nice Job!
I just wanted to post in here to show some support! nothing really to add.. :)
alright.. I guess I do have something to add.. no matter how long your build takes.. I don't know anyone that has had a build as long as my highschool friend had.. in 1999 he blew a gasket in his 94 v6 mustang. he ordered a custom built supercharged v6 engine from someone in west virginia in 2000.. he got the engine in either 2006 or 2007. The shop that is installing it all still has it to this day (unless something has changed in the past few months).. it is getting a custom paint job and it will be running n20.. so.. should be a light weight 600rwhp car.. but 8+ year build? Just be glad you have someone nearby that knows what they are doing..[:@]
ebr
06-14-2008, 10:03 PM
Well today I decided to delete the engine delete mod and wow I cant beleive there is motor in my car. Got a lot done today
Glad it's all coming together for you. Keep it going......
dschmink
06-15-2008, 12:00 PM
im pretty sure that engine bay just gave me a chub... yep, true story. awesome car, dude!
ebr
06-15-2008, 07:34 PM
Oh its going to happen now the car and the parts are back in my control so its time to get this thing on the road.
A1SALEEN
06-15-2008, 07:37 PM
very very nice .... will the f1 fit under the stock hood?
ebr
06-15-2008, 07:59 PM
Dont know I bought the cowl hood before the f1. I have heard of some issues with the larger pulleys and the stock hood but I would bet my 3.97 pulley would clear but the problems I heard of was with the 5.0 pulley.
FrostByte
06-15-2008, 08:14 PM
I just drooled on myself.:D
HazardSports
06-19-2008, 08:56 PM
That thing is evil !
lrgnation
06-19-2008, 11:56 PM
dude i idolize your car because i have a redfire stang on 20's. unfortunatly no 800rwhp motor...tear
seriously bad ass car.
A1SALEEN
06-20-2008, 10:39 AM
i want to go for a ride
ebr
06-21-2008, 09:11 PM
Well it has been a long week but all the hours on the car are paying off I got a lot done this week . Tomarrow will be a long one as well becouse it has to start tomarrow to ck for leaks and I still have a 20 item list of things to check and or finish before I start it . But here is were the car is at right now. By the way I have to add I HATE WIRES!
ebr
06-21-2008, 09:17 PM
A few more pics .
reeflover
06-21-2008, 09:48 PM
Man that engine bay looks Bad A##. I can't wait to hear what that car puts down to the ground.
ebr
06-22-2008, 10:28 PM
Got alot of stuff done today but did not start the car . Went to drain the old fuel out and the pumps didnt work will have to ck it out tomarrow, but here is a little of the things I did in my 14 hrs spent on the car today.[/align]
This car is looking sick as hell!! Wow!! When the car is complete you should get some videos on youtube and put on link on here for all of our enjoyment:D
CapitalG
06-23-2008, 08:56 PM
Holy Crap , I'd be happy with just 400 when its all said and done
ebr
06-23-2008, 10:17 PM
LOL I had to go back and look at the pics to see what you were refering to but I got it now and yes that would be the Steea race hat mod.
ebr
06-28-2008, 09:12 PM
Well I think the nose on my crank shaft is bent WTF ! My balancer does not spin true so I pulled the front cover and put a gauge on the front of the oil pan and set it to the end of the crank and I have about .002 movement . This SUCKS!!![/align]
Simon1
06-28-2008, 10:39 PM
How the hell could your crank shaft be bent?? Did you send it off for balancing? Did you drop it? That's just strange.
You haven't been drinking have you? J/K
ruski0suka3
07-02-2008, 05:13 AM
OMG wow, good luck on all the mods....hope u do hit 800RWHP
Brian_Zinchuk
07-02-2008, 05:27 PM
This is a pretty sick thread man I can't wait to see your numbers on the dyno and on the track.
ebr
07-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Well after all the problems the car moved its self from the garage and everything runs well ,well at least on my road only to 60 mph ( no boost)
thr problem was an MMR part dealer part # 5W7Z-5401688-E kit crank trigger wheel the surface was not true thus throghing the balancer off. After torque was to spec. the balancer was .015 out and after replaceing this part with factory parts it read .004 and spins well now so I guess we can call thiss another MMR f$$ked me story but all is well no and I will call Manny tommarow to reschedle the tune asap and I will also post some pics tommarow as well when I have more time .[/align]
harraid5711
07-06-2008, 11:02 PM
you have to give me a shout some time when you're free. since i'm so close, i've GOT to see this in person!!!! drop me a PM before next weekend or something
Jamie
ebr
07-07-2008, 09:00 PM
PM sent.
ebr
07-09-2008, 07:41 PM
Thought I would share a few thing I did today. first off I reinstalled the pprv on the fuel pumps becouse my fuel psi was everywere and after the reinstall is is steady now. Also got the Stefs air/oil seperator done with the exception of haveing the bung welded in this a/o seperator set up uses the exhaust for the vac. and a breather on the pass side this sould give me the happy medium between stait breathers and running it to the intake and with this set up there is 0 oil going to pass to the intake yet still I will not have the fumes of the breathers alone. I have the breakin tunning set for Wed. July 16 at HPP . Right now I do not even want to run the car much becouse the wide band shows the A/F all over the place even in nutrral when I hit the gas it goes to 16.0 so it will remain off till I start it to load on the trailer for the trip to HPP next week.
What day are you going to HPP? I'm in the Lewisville area on weekends and wouldn't mind stopping by to see the car.
ebr
07-09-2008, 09:13 PM
Wed. July 16 at 3:00 pm .
ebr
07-13-2008, 08:51 PM
Well the car is going to tune Wed. so wish me luck there but the main reason for this is after the Stefs air/oil install to the exhaust the exhaust seems to be comeing back to the Stefs can instead of sucking it out . I know lots of race engines use the exhaust to evac. The crankcase so WTF why is this not working I used the Jegs angled tube and bung http://www.jegs.com/images/mini_100/300/329/329-85-100950.jpg (http://www.jegs.com/i/Dynatech/329/85-100950/10002/-1)Dynatech 85-100950 (http://www.jegs.com/i/Dynatech/329/85-100950/10002/-1) Pan E-Vac Kit Item# 329-85-100950 (http://www.jegs.com/i/Dynatech/329/85-100950/10002/-1) Only $19.99 so I do not understand why this does not work ? I guess I will connect the hose to the intake tube on the Procharger tomarrow like it was from procharger but from the drivers side instead of the pass. side . I do see more vapors from the pass. side though when the motor has filterson both sides so that leads me to beleive that Procharger may have been on to something with the stock Procharger setup that evac fom the pass side so I guess I will try both and see if I cannot get the exhaust evac figured out in the next week or so .[/align]
2002GTAUTOVERT
07-13-2008, 10:30 PM
good luck man.. your build is so damn sick.. i cant help but look at your tires.. and say a prayer knowing when it rolls off of the dyno.. their lifespan will be measured in seconds. good luck!!! (its unfortunate to see MMR screwed up someone else's build)
ebr
07-17-2008, 09:16 PM
Went to dyno the car yesterday . Well went by there at 1:00 and keep in mind I had a 3:00 appt. wanted to let them know that the car was not chargeing and they said it needed to be to tune and that a full batt. would not cut it so I called my guy at Park Citys Ford in Dallas and he siad that the warehouse could have an alt. there by 2:00 so Im haulin ass to Dallas . Ok now Im in Dallas with the alt. off the car and waiting , and waiting till 3:25 they hand me the alt. and to work I go . Next thing I know its 3:48 and Im off to HPP in Leiwisville haulin ass again 4:20 im there so I unload the car and WTF 12.10 v not chargeing so I pull the alt again and nothing is wrong and then after quite some time I see a connector on the pass. valve cover that was not connected and what do you know those wires are the same as the wires connected to the back of the alt. so where the hell is the other connector well after alot of searching I found it it was under the intake so I hooked it up and had 14.14 volts so all is good right so we put the car on the dyno at about 6:25 and Manny started to do the tune well now the MAF has no signal so now its about 7:30 ( they close at 7:00 )and we decide to ck the exstended wires to the MAF (done by Lonestar ) and the but connectors they had installed to lengthin the wires were **** so I told Manny I would come in the morning (today) and redue the conections corractly with soilder and heat shrink it is now 8:00 so we go . I came came back today at 10:00 and redid the connections to the MAF and what do ya know we now have signal so now it is 1:00 today , after lunch I wait for others that are scheduled to be on the dyno so we can fit my car in and after all the waiting it is 3:45 and Im on the dyno everything gets loaded Manny starts and the batt light comes on not charging again so off the dyno and its 5:00 and others are waiting to tune so tomarrow I will pull the intake and ck all the wireing to the alt at HPP and wait to fit in on the dyno again tomarrow.
1SLO85
07-17-2008, 09:36 PM
Get the new Manley high lift/high rev valve springs over the Comp Beehive springs. Just my .02 Good luck with the build.
lrgnation
07-18-2008, 10:26 AM
ORIGINAL: ebr
Went to dyno the car yesterday . Well went by there at 1:00 and keep in mind I had a 3:00 appt. wanted to let them know that the car was not chargeing and they said it needed to be to tune and that a full batt. would not cut it so I called my guy at Park Citys Ford in Dallas and he siad that the warehouse could have an alt. there by 2:00 so Im haulin ass to Dallas . Ok now Im in Dallas with the alt. off the car and waiting , and waiting till 3:25 they hand me the alt. and to work I go . Next thing I know its 3:48 and Im off to HPP in Leiwisville haulin ass again 4:20 im there so I unload the car and WTF 12.10 v not chargeing so I pull the alt again and nothing is wrong and then after quite some time I see a connector on the pass. valve cover that was not connected and what do you know those wires are the same as the wires connected to the back of the alt. so where the hell is the other connector well after alot of searching I found it it was under the intake so I hooked it up and had 14.14 volts so all is good right so we put the car on the dyno at about 6:25 and Manny started to do the tune well now the MAF has no signal so now its about 7:30 ( they close at 7:00 )and we decide to ck the exstended wires to the MAF (done by Lonestar ) and the but connectors they had installed to lengthin the wires were **** so I told Manny I would come in the morning (today) and redue the conections corractly with soilder and heat shrink it is now 8:00 so we go . I came came back today at 10:00 and redid the connections to the MAF and what do ya know we now have signal so now it is 1:00 today , after lunch I wait for others that are scheduled to be on the dyno so we can fit my car in and after all the waiting it is 3:45 and Im on the dyno everything gets loaded Manny starts and the batt light comes on not charging again so off the dyno and its 5:00 and others are waiting to tune so tomarrow I will pull the intake and ck all the wireing to the alt at HPP and wait to fit in on the dyno again tomarrow.
So what's the good word now. Has it been dyno'd yet. One hell of a beast.
ebr
07-20-2008, 09:56 PM
The breakin tune is done and at 13 or 14 deg timeing and 11.5 A/F it is at 567 rwhp and 537 rwtq I will post the dyno sheet tomarrow . The TC was flashing to 3700 on the dyno and let me tell ya the power comes fast . 15 psi all the way thew no waiting for the boost to build here instant power. I feel very good about this setup but I think to reach my street tune of 650/550 and race at 800/700 I would have to have a 5 speed with the auto and converter I dont think my origanal goals will happen but after you figure the loss of rwhp for the auto vs standard I will be in the ballpark but only time will tell.
Brian_Zinchuk
07-20-2008, 11:01 PM
Will congrats on a successful project and some great numbers.
ebr
07-21-2008, 09:17 PM
Thanks I am very excited about the outcome of this now after seeing these numbers right now.
ebr
07-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Just think guys these are the plugs in 3 and 5 on my dyno run look at the 2 in the middle the tip is broke and there was belt slip as well becouse of the belt dust on the blower . Just thought I would share these pics . New plugs should be here tommarow and the BMR bushings (that split) for the control arm will be here Friday so this should be a fun weekend on the road finaly.[/align]
awesome stuff,did you get the evac to work with the exhaust or did you leave it on the procharger?
ebr
07-23-2008, 09:36 PM
After I installed the evac I realized I needed a ck valve so I bought one and had clearance issues with the trans so it is hooked up to the intake for now with a breather on the pass side but when I go back to finnish the street tune it will be to the exhaust with both valve covers going to the can as I do not like the vapors at idle.
flappy188
07-26-2008, 09:20 PM
would you like to sell your 20's? awesome car man and awesome build, oh and check your pm and email!!! thx!
ebr
07-26-2008, 09:41 PM
PM sent .
Solitear
07-27-2008, 12:09 PM
Tity fu-cken christ... thats big numbers......>.>
GL that will be a fun project imo ^^ keep us posted =d
RNLUECK
07-28-2008, 05:24 PM
not gonna lie ur my hero
Chase1121
08-04-2008, 11:29 PM
hey, id love to race ya, i sent my car out to Full Throttle Kustomz and having it come back with around 980rwph, so ithink it'd be a nice race, i was gonna send ya a friend request on myspace but ur myspace laggs my computer more then my butthole clogs the toilet hahah
Brian_Zinchuk
08-04-2008, 11:45 PM
Well we welcome your toilet clogging butthole to the forums. But it doesn't look like you'll need much advice considering you'll have one of the fastest stangs on the forums.
Chase1121
08-05-2008, 09:43 AM
haha yea, idk, there will always be someone faster, no one is ever the fastest, and if they are, it aint for long, cuz someone someday will have a better car, but yea, i spent 30 grand on my car in the motor alone, i have no idea what they are puttin in my car, but i called and they said that they started workin on it and its gonna be around $31,500, its gonna look stock tho, sleeper lol, i might put some black spoke 20" foose rims on it and eibach lowering kit, but thats later on when i get my next paycheck, which isnt soon i dont think
kinglasher
08-05-2008, 01:04 PM
I WANT THAT CAR!!! Where do you live again? heheheh
Awsome job.!
ebr
08-05-2008, 08:37 PM
What does any of this BS about your sh!t or your sh!t have to do with my car??????
SirKnightTG
08-05-2008, 10:42 PM
ORIGINAL: ebr
What does any of this BS about your sh!t or your sh!t have to do with my car??????
I guess since his thread was apparently deleted (at least I can't find it) he posted about it here...
ebr, I've decided we're going to trade cars. You don't have a choice either. Sorry, but that's just the way it goes sometimes. ;)
Brian_Zinchuk
08-06-2008, 12:13 AM
Are you talking about me? If so I'm sorry that your 7 page thread had a comment that wasn't about YOUR car on it. It will never happen again.
SirKnightTG
08-06-2008, 10:35 AM
I assumed he was talking about the 980rwhp dude. That's who I was referring to anyway.
matyellott
08-06-2008, 11:28 AM
cool!
matyellott
08-06-2008, 11:29 AM
800 hp is gutsy, just saw a 2001 camero getting tunned for the Pinks competetion here in Denver almost 1000 hp... insane.
ebr
08-06-2008, 12:11 PM
No I was refering to the stool report before you .
FlyGuy06
08-07-2008, 08:53 PM
Hey "EBR" what part of texas are you in? I'm in Arlington and looking for some good references to put some mods on my car.... Nothing as massive as yours but I have about 2k to work with... Any suggestions or shops you could send me to?
ebr
08-07-2008, 09:20 PM
So far I realy like these guys at HPP they have been a lot of help on my problematic finishout on my car, as we speak my Procharger resivoir is there waiting for me to pick it up tommarow becouse of a cracked weld they fixed for me .I have also " heard" nothing but good thing about Gearhaeds in Arlington but I have never used them myself, but WHAT EVER YOU DO STAY AWAY FROM LONESTAR PERFORMACE in Garland they cost me around 9K and the tunner atDMis the one who got in over his head on my 1st build when he was withLonestar,but thats just my experience with Dallas shops.
kinglasher
08-07-2008, 11:40 PM
Yeah i just sent my car to italy to the ferrari factory and i'm gettin a Bugatti 16W quad-turbo dropped in....yeah i'm bill gates that right! [sm=icon_blah.gif]
Hahah had to do it!
ebr that is some amazing work and it sure as hell been an interesting journey that i feel we've all been on with you. Sorry your original goal hasn't been reached but break it in right and then work your numbers. There's still alot more juice to be squeezed from your setup. ( Twin turbo ??:D)
Anyway make sure we all get to see a video of your first run and some rev-ups because i know that baby can puurrrr
Great job!
ebr
08-24-2008, 09:17 PM
Its been about 1 mo since the breakin tune and it has been one thing after another going wrong 1st the rear a-arm bushing split so I replaced them and and the next weekend the procharger coolant tank split at the weld so I had that welded then the week before last the upper control arm bushing split so I called BMR and they would sell me more but wouldnt replase them for me becouse I have had them over 1 yr even though they where not used so I ordered them and they sent me the new bushings they arrived Fri. a week ago but the UCA bushing was wrong turns out that after I purchased my UCA they changed the size of the tube and bushing so I called them on that Mon following and they offered to send me a correct set UPS ground for free but I needed them overnight so the car would be ready to finnish tunning my trans at HPP that Wed even with them knowing this ground was the best the would do so I had to pay the overnight frieght to get them in time . After I insalled everything and went to HPP to work on the shift point and conv. lock up everything is shifting and working well now and let me tell ya this thing is a beast on the street and a lot of fun so now that I feel preety good about trusting the car for a trip so Sat. I made a 260 mi round trip to Dallas Drove the car normaly on the way up just logging miles problem came on the way home I went give it some gas to pass some cars and it went to 4000 rpm and studered I look at the fuel psi gauge and I only have 18 psi so I kept my foot out of it and drove home. The thing is that this happened a couple of weeks ago as well but I did not see the fuel psi gauge that time and thought is was my MSD Launch master messing up so I disconncted it and went for a drive and all was good but now I realize this was not the problem . I have also been having issues with other things like the windows and radio not coming on unless I pull the relay and reinstall it while the key is on . Is it possible that the BUSS fuse box has issues ? This is were I have to pull the reays for the elec. items to come on. They do say not to probe these connections as it will cause problems with it and I did several times before I knew this . Could the BUSS fuse box be causeing the Fuel problems as well , and if it is voltage that is couseing the fuel psi drops then can I data log this to find the answer?
Sorry for the long post but it has been a long mounth of problems.
forensicsteve
08-25-2008, 02:28 AM
Not been reading every post so not fully informed on your progress. Sort of on a similar quest. Come to the conclusion that ultra-modding requires lots of patience and progress can be very slow. One of my last mods, was a trailer. We put so much stress on these vehicles (high boost levels etc) that something is bound to break, snap or just come loose at the strip. Better to have all these issues now though. You'll be in great shape for the arrival of cooler/drier air in a month or so, down here in the deep south. Keep it going...
ebr
08-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Not been reading every post so not fully informed on your progress. Sort of on a similar quest. Come to the conclusion that ultra-modding requires lots of patience and progress can be very slow. One of my last mods, was a trailer. We put so much stress on these vehicles (high boost levels etc) that something is bound to break, snap or just come loose at the strip. Better to have all these issues now though. You'll be in great shape for the arrival of cooler/drier air in a month or so, down here in the deep south. Keep it going...
Oh belaive me it will keep moving forward . There is no stop in my game plan as of yet , just to many mods at once ,but it will all work out with a little time . What the hell its been 1.5 yrs since Ive driven the car so the trip to Dallas Sat. with 567 rwhp and 537 rwtq was fun even with the problems .
Simon1
08-25-2008, 10:43 PM
Well next week I will be picking up my car and riving it around 600 miles home. Hopefully all is well from then on and I can enjoy my baby again.
EBR, I thought 3-4 months was rough. 1.5 years would be miserable.
ebr
08-26-2008, 09:04 PM
Well next week I will be picking up my car and riving it around 600 miles home. Hopefully all is well from then on and I can enjoy my baby again.
EBR, I thought 3-4 months was rough. 1.5 years would be miserable.
It has been .
ebr
08-31-2008, 07:11 PM
Started the car today and fuel presure is fine, so I pulled the pumps to ck for mishaps but all was well. Went for a short drive and the pumps are working fine . What the hell could cause this one day its fine and one day it is not ? I will have the new SJB on Tue to hopefuly solve the other issues with the windows and radio seems there is a TSB for this problem from water getting in the car . I hope this is the problem with the fuel pumps as well remember If I pull the relays under the hood then these things work fine and the fuel pump relay and fog lamp relay (2nd for the GT 500 pump fpdm) so maybe the SJB is affecting everthing.
ebr
10-08-2008, 01:43 PM
Well guys its been a busy 5 or so weeks at work but I have managed to finaly get the issues worked out . First off the elec. problems with the windows radio and the ck charging system light coming on was the Buss fuse box under the hood it had a few busted terminals one of wich was the 12 supply for the smart junction box inside the car. So with that replaced the fuel issues where the next item to tackle . While on the dyno for the breakin tune I last posted the FP DC was at 85% with the GT40 pumps and MSD BAP so when I got the car home I found out the MSD unit was indeed only powering 1 fpdm . I then called JPC and the said to just split the wire to both fpdms and after talking to a few members here this can and has been done , but I was not to iterrested in doing that so I wired up this new setup with a 8ga. supply from the 175a batt terminal in the trunk and ran that to a 75a relay that is trigered by the green and yellow wire from the JDM harness (thisand the conectors is the only JDM harness part used)that comes from the Inersa switch then 12ga wires out to the fpdms then new 12ga shielded wires to the twin GT40 pumps in the GT500 basket in the tank then 2 -6 lines out that tee to a -8 line to the engine comartment then tee to 2 -6 lines to the rails . After doing all of this the car has a .34 (34% )dc at idle and at WOT is at only .60 (60%)and the MSD units give me 18v full time and up to 22v at 30 psi . So I am very happy to say the least about the direction I selected to withon the fuel setup at this point.The car will go back again tomarrow to finish the street tune and hopefully hit my mark of 600+rwhp for the street tune at 15 psi on 93oct . Here are some pics of the new fuel setup.
Crobeson78
10-09-2008, 03:20 AM
why arent you going with 4:10s instead of the 3:73s?
Simon1
10-09-2008, 11:12 AM
Well guys its been a busy 5 or so weeks at work but I have managed to finaly get the issues worked out . First off the elec. problems with the windows radio and the ck charging system light coming on was the Buss fuse box under the hood it had a few busted terminals one of wich was the 12 supply for the smart junction box inside the car. So with that replaced the fuel issues where the next item to tackle . While on the dyno for the breakin tune I last posted the FP DC was at 85% with the GT40 pumps and MSD BAP so when I got the car home I found out the MSD unit was indeed only powering 1 fpdm . I then called JPC and the said to just split the wire to both fpdms and after talking to a few members here this can and has been done , but I was not to iterrested in doing that so I wired up this new setup with a 8ga. supply from the 175a batt terminal in the trunk and ran that to a 75a relay that is trigered by the green and yellow wire from the JDM harness (thisand the conectors is the only JDM harness part used)that comes from the Inersa switch then 12ga wires out to the fpdms then new 12ga shielded wires to the twin GT40 pumps in the GT500 basket in the tank then 2 -6 lines out that tee to a -8 line to the engine comartment then tee to 2 -6 lines to the rails . After doing all of this the car has a .34 (34% )dc at idle and at WOT is at only .60 (60%)and the MSD units give me 18v full time and up to 22v at 30 psi . So I am very happy to say the least about the direction I selected to withon the fuel setup at this point.The car will go back again tomarrow to finish the street tune and hopefully hit my mark of 600+rwhp for the street tune at 15 psi on 93oct . Here are some pics of the new fuel setup.
Using the heavier gauge wire was a wise choice and will give you better durability and a power source. Doing it right one time is better than fixing small issues later. @530/550tq with 60 lbs injectors, GT500 pumps and a dual BAP, I'm not even close to maxing out my fuel system says my tuner. As soon as you get it figured out and runnning on the dyno you should be closer to your mark of 800 rwhp.
My next goal 600 rwhp for the street and ~700 on 100 octane.
It won't be for a while but eventually.
Brian_Zinchuk
10-09-2008, 03:30 PM
Why didn't you guys just go with the dual GT500 fuel pumps instead of messing with those BAPs? If you plan to keep adding to your cars until you have crazy amounts of HP then those BAP will get maxed out and then you'll have to yet again change out fuel systems.
ebr
10-09-2008, 09:53 PM
why arent you going with 4:10s instead of the 3:73s?
4:10 suck with the auto I have been there.
ebr
10-09-2008, 09:55 PM
Why didn't you guys just go with the dual GT500 fuel pumps instead of messing with those BAPs? If you plan to keep adding to your cars until you have crazy amounts of HP then those BAP will get maxed out and then you'll have to yet again change out fuel systems.
I have the GT500 system with GT40 pumps and upgraded wire and lines and the MSD baps and now have a DC of 60 % at wot with 600rwhp and 600rwtq
ebr
10-09-2008, 09:57 PM
It was a good day today first of let me say mad props Manny at HPP Racing for a job well done . Last time on the dyno I ran the 4.1 procharger pulley for the breakin tune and saw some belt slip so I called Riechard Racing and ordered a 4.3 thinking with the slip I saw last time this would put me around 15psi for my street tune so this is what we started with today and the pulley made 12psi and 546rwhpand 560 rwtq . Not likeing those numbers I swiched back to the stock Procharger 4.1 and made 609.3rwhp and 602.6rwtq after mad belt slip . It started to slip at 5400 and dropped to 10 psi fast . Not bad though 609 at 5400 on a centri is a beast . I will order a Reichard 4.1 tomarrow . Manny said there is probobly 30-40 or more hp from 5400 up so I think we are back on track now. If I get 650/610 on the pump gas tune with a 4.1 then I see no reson why I cant get 700 - 750 or more on the 3.9 with 100 oct. . All I can say is WOW I am very excited now . All of thes pulls were set for 6500 rpm on the dyno and before anyone says anything about the af on the final pull it was a mishap by the dyno the af is good or the power would have suffered at that point. I really can say that after all the BS with the fuel system I am glad I went the way I did with the MSD BAPs becouse through all of these pulls today the DC before and after boost was a rock solid 60 % at wot on all of the pulls today so after seeing that I fell like this fuel setup will take the car where I am going to go with the car.