They seem to knock the turbo 4 Cylinder engine because most of them don't know anything about them'
I'd put my SVO up against most any v8 with about the same money spent as i have.

I should be deep in the 11's by the end of the summer with my crappy weak or only good for economy 4banger.
Let's play V8 guys I want to hear your opinions.

And it's not that I like v8's either
I have a blown 5.4 87 Vert tranny swap 9" the works.

Apples to apples as I've heard
I'd always take an SVO the V8 cars are a dime a dozen
Rarity comes into play very much.

My Turbo Coupe did not hold a place in my heart like the SVO does.

I'd put my SVO up against most any v8 with about the same money spent as i have.
so would you run KB cobra? jw

ORIGINAL: 8t4SVOGuy


I'd always take an SVO the V8 cars are a dime a dozen
Rarity comes into play very much.

My Turbo Coupe did not hold a place in my heart like the SVO does.


that's because nobody bought them. they were more expensive than the GT, had alot of problems in the first production run, and fast 4 bangers, even turbos, were unheard of back then. so basically, it didn't appeal to anyone.

Are you serious? You think it'd cost you less money to run 11's in an SVO than a Cobra or LS1?

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I like my turbo coupes, svo's and xr4ti. Had a 86 xr4ti that would smoke most v-8 cars i came across. It was pushin 32 lbs. Mind you the stock svo's tc's and xr's came with 15 lbs. so gettin em up in the 20's and 30's isnt that hard to do. I challenge any street car from 25-160(mph).

i know how you feel man

they just cant even comprehend the thought of a fast 4 cylinder

i've got an XR4Ti, TC ranger, TC mustang

the ranger is heavy but should still be in the 12's, in the middle of an all out buildup on it

the mustang is mostly stock and will hang with an LS1

the XR....sits in the garage

i dont have a v8 vs 4cyl argument but i was wondering what do the stock svo numbers look like. Also what are all you running with your mods

a 4cyl can be fast, but it takes a lot more money and in my opinion 300hp in a 4cyl doesnt feel like 300hp in an 8. It doesnt seem to give you the same kick back but thats just my opinion. also i don't like the sound of a 4cyl and the look of 90% of them. but if you like 4 bangers drive em.

I have a 94 5.0 - but I think the SVO cars are pretty cool. I just like the low down power of the V8... and you can't forget the sound either.

hmm... im just gonna keep my mouth shut on this 1

You may be faster in some instances, but you still drive a 4 cylinder.... But if that's your thing then oke doke.

it is true many do not know how fast the SVO is. I have the fastest factory SVO 85.5 and it does well against a stock GT. The SVO is best for road type racing not drag racing.
As good as the SVO is my 5.0 SC or Cobra will blow it away.

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ORIGINAL: v8musclecobra

a 4cyl can be fast, but it takes a lot more money and in my opinion 300hp in a 4cyl doesnt feel like 300hp in an 8. It doesnt seem to give you the same kick back but thats just my opinion. also i don't like the sound of a 4cyl and the look of 90% of them. but if you like 4 bangers drive em.


lol....300hp just doesnt feel like 300hp??? what the crap does it matter what kind of internal combustion it comes from, its 300hp

i'm pretty sure my 2.3T mustang looks like any other 5.0 mustang

You may be faster in some instances, but you still drive a 4 cylinder.... But if that's your thing then oke doke.

lol, would you rather be the guy with the V8 losing to a 4 cyl, or the guy with the 4cyl beating a V8?

"you may be faster, and you're doing it with a smaller engine, but its still a smaller engine!"

you my friend, win the mullet award

congrats

the thing is that even though the 2.3 doesn't have the same low end power how many times do you get into the low end range when you are racing. I would take a SVO or a 87-93 fox thats had the engine swap. Damn i want to find a clean 4 banger fox so i can do the swap.

ORIGINAL: P Zero

I like my turbo coupes, svo's and xr4ti. Had a 86 xr4ti that would smoke most v-8 cars i came across. It was pushin 32 lbs. Mind you the stock svo's tc's and xr's came with 15 lbs. so gettin em up in the 20's and 30's isnt that hard to do. I challenge any street car from 25-160(mph).


32lbs? are you retarded? It like to see what the block/crank/rods/pistons are made out of. 32lbs is a LOT of boost my friend and im going to call BS.

ditto on the 32psi

i did run 28psi on stock internals and a 1035 headgasket...once

it held but it didnt run worth ****...let off at the 1/8th (approx) and cruised to a 16.4

i'm now toying with the idea of getting a trunk car or gutted capri hatch for a drag car and put my built engine in that...

...which would leave the ranger less an engine, but thinking about doing a 302 there, with a roots blower down the line....

it would just leave the ranger sitting longer, way longer...and i'd have to prep the fox body for the 2.3 goods, (ranger is ready) which would set me back even further from getting my 2.3 project on the road


i'll probably end up doing as planned, and maybe down the line do an all out drag trunk car

ORIGINAL: antiv6

hmm... im just gonna keep my mouth shut on this 1


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i've heard all this talk..but i wanna see your numbers on the SVOs. I personally don't like it cause it is a 4 cyl...plus I dont' like the looks. I just find it humorous the little guys trying to talk smack to the V8 guys.

I've been on both sides of the fence. I've been the guy with the 4 banger T-coupe tossin' an ass whoopin to the v8 guys, and I've had my ass whipped by 4 bangers. But nothing is more embarassing than having your modded '81 Camaro get beat(by bus lenghts)by a stock '89 Probe GT. I raced him after he started talking smack about how his built 350 could smoke ANY 4 cyl. After we raced he changed his tune a bit and asked if it was stock. When I told him it was, he said BS! I popped the hood and he looked at it and just shook his head and walked away. The Probe wasn't mine BTW, it was a buddy's who let me borrow it.

I like both myself, I love the SVO's, they are rare and I wish I had one myself, (Especially a '85 Comp. Prep.) I wish I still had my T-coupe, But I do like my 5 liters, They are fairly inexpensive to modify and easy to get parts for. When I wanted to mod my Turbo Coupe, I had one hell of a time trying to find performance parts for it. I priced a turbo header..$800 bucks! That's when I realized modding turbo 4's wasn't for me. It's cool being the little guy beatin' up on the bigger ones....If you can afford it. Mind you, I was playing with turbo cars looong before any of this Fast and Frivilous sh!t was even thought of.

Moral of the story...Play with what you like and can afford, BUT NEVER underestimate the little guy.

Oh, if you want numbers..I ran a best of 15.1@91 mph in my Turbo Coupe. K&N, Centerforce clutch, stock but tweaked turbo,and Flowmasters. My stock '88 GT conv. runs 14.6's @95, My Lincoln runs 14.9's@90 lots of mods

Hey there is nothing wrong with gen 1 turbo probes, I had mine running in the 13's with about $1000 invested on top of a $1500 car, not many other vehicals can do that, but I found reliability became an issue at that point... go figure.... but nothing beats that v8 rumble under your hood

i use to own a 85 svo, to start off i loved that car it is what got me so into mustangs. who ever says that car is cheap to work on is crazy, that car is way more expensive to work on that other mustangs by far. For the time in which the car was made, yes it was beating the hell out of most v8s. when i was drinving in the mountains thier was hardly any car that could keep up. but as for the drag the new cobras would spank it. i just recently bought a 04 cobra with a 2.8 pulley and a SCT tune and thier is no way that svo would have been able to keep up with this car. the stock specs for the svo is "Performance: SVO: 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 15.5 seconds @ 90 mph."
2004 Cobra SVT 0-60 4.5 sec, 1/4- 12.9

you guys must not read up on diy mods very much cause there's a lot of free/cheap tricks to svo's and 2.3 turbos in general, it takes a pretty good amount of power in the 2.3 before the parts get really expensive. if you know what you're doing you can squeeze a lot of power out of one for relatively cheap

<----88 XR4Ti owner.

I love the 2.3T....and I am looking to buy a 2007 GT for daily duties. The XR gets track duty from now on.

i totally agree with the 4 banger power vs the 8 banger power. theres a total diff feel between the two. mostly cause the turbo kicks in later on than the 8 cyl torque does. i can vouch for this cause i have an 84 SVO with big VAM, 36lb injectors, and the LA3. and i have my 83 GT. and my mom has a 93 LX 5oh. and i drive my uncles 87 LX 5oh some. the V8s have much more of a kick much quicker. and i USED to bash all 4 bangers, but now that i have an SVO, im starting to like the fours more. much more!! but ya, the SVOs are much better suited to road racing, not straight lining.

I don't know if he means total investemnt into the car or just mod for mod. If your talking about car cost and everything else then i'd say the 5k car that has 35k in mods will kill the 35k car with 5k in mods.
For what it costs for a kb/intake/exhaust you could do a nice aluminum head a decent bottom end build a big turbo and alot of other things. I know the stock bottom ends on the 2.3t can withstand over 430rwhp. Figure a kb cobra makes easy 550rwhp and could go alot higher but weighs like 3800+lbs where as in the fox 2.3t weighs like 3000lbs. Might make for an interesting race.

About the running 32psi I dunno why you couldn't do it on stock pistons and rods. I did 30psi for over a year with like 70 passes at the track and 40 dyno pulls. You non 2.3t people have to remember 30psi through a poor flowing head isnt anything like 30psi in a dohc cobra.

If you advance the cam in a 2.3l enough, you'll get some lower end power as opposed to high rpm power.

2.3T's are a little bit exotic. I love the sound of a V8, but I also like having something besides the run of the mill mustang. There are a bunch of those around here. I also like the idea of a lighter front end for handling. Then there's the feel of the turbo when it starts to build boost...:)

I don't know what the deal is with 4 VS 8, either way, if the HP was even, the 4 cylinder would win because 1) its lighter 2) can handle high boost on stock internals.

I am not a 4 cylinder fan, nor a V8 fan, I enjoy both, and I also find working on both is easy to me. I would rather have a 4 cylinder because you get good gas milage and its the pervect sleeper car

ORIGINAL: 8t4SVOGuy
They seem to knock the turbo 4 Cylinder engine because most of them don't know anything about them'
I'd put my SVO up against most any v8 with about the same money spent as i have.
I should be deep in the 11's by the end of the summer with my crappy weak or only good for economy 4banger.
Let's play V8 guys I want to hear your opinions.
And it's not that I like v8's either
I have a blown 5.4 87 Vert tranny swap 9" the works.
Apples to apples as I've heard
I'd always take an SVO the V8 cars are a dime a dozen
Rarity comes into play very much.
My Turbo Coupe did not hold a place in my heart like the SVO does.

lol, you just started a war! [8D]
ORIGINAL: Mr. Merk
they just cant even comprehend the thought of a fast 4 cylinder

Alot of them havn't raced any turbocharged car, especially one that has a little bit of work done to it. You have to keep in mind though, turbo 4 cylinders and v8's are about equal, but when you throw a turbo or two on a v8 things get alot easier for the v8 to add power.
ORIGINAL: v8musclecobra
a 4cyl can be fast, but it takes a lot more money and in my opinion 300hp in a 4cyl doesnt feel like 300hp in an 8. It doesnt seem to give you the same kick back but thats just my opinion. also i don't like the sound of a 4cyl and the look of 90% of them. but if you like 4 bangers drive em.

A turbo 4 cylinder & n/a 4 cylinder sound quite a bit different. As for how much money spent. I think you're confusing foreign 4 cylinders to domestic. It doesn't take much money to get a turbo 2.3 to 300whp. There are quite a few people in the high 300's that havn't bought anything other than a few parts from the junkyard.
ORIGINAL: Mr. Merk
lol....300hp just doesnt feel like 300hp??? what the crap does it matter what kind of internal combustion it comes from, its 300hp
You may be faster in some instances, but you still drive a 4 cylinder.... But if that's your thing then oke doke.

All in the low end. ;) It's nice the throttle response of a v8, how hard it kicks you into the seat at low rpm. While true, both are about equal at high rpm. Both will take off and kick you about just as hard as the other if you punch it from 4500rpm.
ORIGINAL: Sonic3v
32lbs? are you retarded? It like to see what the block/crank/rods/pistons are made out of. 32lbs is a LOT of boost my friend and im going to call BS.

There are quite a few people out there running 30psi on stock turbo 2.3 internals. It isn't the boost that kills the v8 it's the hp. Think of the power you would be putting out if your car was pushing 30psi, enough to break quite a bit of engine and drivetrain parts.

Plazma, maybe your video of your car could be of some interest here.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cobra/0/ac014ddc-26ad-4223-b4fc-98a50015b245.htm

you also got to remember were throwing 30 psi @ 8:0.1 comp.....a little easier to get away with

Plazma, maybe your video of your car could be of some interest here.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cobra/0/ac014ddc-26ad-4223-b4fc-98a50015b245.htm



Is that a fair fight? Drag radials vs stock tires? If you stick drag radials on my car it would run 11's instead of high 12's. That makes a big difference. The terminator in that video couldn't hook up. Doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't connect....

You also have to take into account driver experience (which makes a huge difference at the track).

I'd love to see the SVO vs an 04 cobra on the same dyno.

yea because people race on dyno's right?

ORIGINAL: Chemical_Excuse

yea because people race on dyno's right?


maybe you missed the point. if you stick drag radials on both cars and then race them....that video would be a better comparison between the two. all i'm saying is that whenyou take the exact same car and put drag radials on it it makes a huge difference at the 1/4 mile.

my comment on the dyno had nothing to do with who would win at the track. i'd just like to see both of them on the same dyno to see how they stack up.

Is that a fair fight? Drag radials vs stock tires? If you stick drag radials on my car it would run 11's instead of high 12's. That makes a big difference.


The drag radials are the attempt to even out the fact that the Terminator has twice the engine.;)

You will make up a full second will radials? My SVO went ~.5 sec quicker on radials, but a full second seems to be pushing it a bit.

Doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't connect....

Very true...

This is my favorite line of the whole thread.[8D]
You may be faster in some instances, but you still drive a 4 cylinder.... But if that's your thing then oke doke.

ORIGINAL: eviligloo
I'd love to see the SVO vs an 04 cobra on the same dyno.

They were. Svo put down 533rwhp/514 torque.

i respect and love SVO's.....i'm dropping in a built motor followed by a KB in my 03 GT, but if i had a lil extra cash for another stang, i'd almost definetly buy myself a SVO....

I think the turbo-I4 that might have "missed" the performance crowd in the 80s sure as hell sunk its teeth into the late 90's - 2000+ crowd

now the fastest cars on the streets around me are all sti's, evo's, even the occasional SRT-4 (which I hate)

but yeah, I own a v8....but if money werent an issue, I'd also own myself an SVO haha....right now i onyl have enough cash for one project car :(

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

I don't know what the deal is with 4 VS 8, either way, if the HP was even, the 4 cylinder would win because 1) its lighter 2) can handle high boost on stock internals.

I am not a 4 cylinder fan, nor a V8 fan, I enjoy both, and I also find working on both is easy to me. I would rather have a 4 cylinder because you get good gas milage and its the pervect sleeper car

A 4CYL????? You need to get your head checked man, if you put a $1000 into a 4banger you will probly get 300hp. If you throw $1000 into a 5.0, you could get aprox. 450hp with the right tuning. It all depends on how much money you have. If your rich, go with a 5.0 for that hefty low gas milage, if you are a cheap ass get a 4cyl and you will have good mods and save money the gas milage. It just depends on what you are willing to pay and if you are willing to pay. You see all these cheap ass kids(im one of them), they dont have the money for gas so they got a 4banger, you see these kids drivin 5.0's, thier parents give them the money for gas. When you are young you dont need a fast car cause YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT. But when kids parents are givin them a $50 dollar bills left and right they dont know what its like paying for your gas. Rich kids out there, you arnt learning a lesson from your parents!!

ORIGINAL: hellion_79

If your rich, go with a 5.0 for that hefty low gas milage, if you are a cheap ass get a 4cyl and you will have good mods and save money the gas milage. It just depends on what you are willing to pay and if you are willing to pay.

Maybe some prefer the 2.3T because they like to stand apart from the crowd. I drive a 4 cyl SVO not because I'm a cheap ass kid, but because it is different. Other than my SVO's I have never seen another in my area. The typical 5.0's are a dime a dozen here, and I like to stand apart.


ORIGONAL: hellion_79

You see all these cheap ass kids(im one of them), they dont have the money for gas so they got a 4banger, you see these kids drivin 5.0's, thier parents give them the money for gas.

May I suggest getting a job?[&:]


Besides, nothing beats the reaction of the V8 guys when you tell them that it's a 4 cyl. "Bullsh!t man!" Then you open the hood and watch the jaw drop.:D

ORIGINAL: TRBOPWR


ORIGINAL: hellion_79

If your rich, go with a 5.0 for that hefty low gas milage, if you are a cheap ass get a 4cyl and you will have good mods and save money the gas milage. It just depends on what you are willing to pay and if you are willing to pay.

Maybe some prefer the 2.3T because they like to stand apart from the crowd. I drive a 4 cyl SVO not because I'm a cheap ass kid, but because it is different. Other than my SVO's I have never seen another in my area. The typical 5.0's are a dime a dozen here, and I like to stand apart.


ORIGONAL: hellion_79

You see all these cheap ass kids(im one of them), they dont have the money for gas so they got a 4banger, you see these kids drivin 5.0's, thier parents give them the money for gas.

May I suggest getting a job?[&:]


sides, nothing beats the reaction of the V8 guys when you tell them that it's a 4 cyl. "Bullsh!t man!" Then you open the hood and watch the jaw drop.:D

I have a job, and all my money is being dumped into my car and helpin my mom out. My parents rarely throw cash at me, I earn all of my **** on my own.

I don't know if he means total investemnt into the car or just mod for mod. If your talking about car cost and everything else then i'd say the 5k car that has 35k in mods will kill the 35k car with 5k in mods.


That's the truth!

ORIGINAL: mills281e

I don't know if he means total investemnt into the car or just mod for mod. If your talking about car cost and everything else then i'd say the 5k car that has 35k in mods will kill the 35k car with 5k in mods.


That's the truth!

In some ways yes, but in others...... nooooo.

i have alotta respect for these blown 4 cylinders...but i mean i have a cobra so....if theres something that beats my cobra ill be impressed

SVO's are sweet cars and I give them my respect. In fact I actually am looking for one for my DD so if someone is selling theirs or knows where to get one in the PA area, let me know.;)

ORIGINAL: eviligloo



Plazma, maybe your video of your car could be of some interest here.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cobra/0/ac014ddc-26ad-4223-b4fc-98a50015b245.htm



Is that a fair fight? Drag radials vs stock tires? If you stick drag radials on my car it would run 11's instead of high 12's. That makes a big difference. The terminator in that video couldn't hook up. Doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't connect....

You also have to take into account driver experience (which makes a huge difference at the track).

I'd love to see the SVO vs an 04 cobra on the same dyno.


I missed this or would have responded along time ago. His so called stock tires are nitto 555r whihc was listed with his mods. The tires were 295 wide. My car which in the video had killed the clutch (hence the crappy burnout) was running a 235 mt drag radial. I personally think the mt is a better tire but would rather have the extra 4 inches of rubber on the ground if it would fit.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/svo/1/d908b807-2927-4d8d-9bee-8c45ab773d8a.htm

Guess he had street tires too? Must be why he jumped me out of the hole and forced me to run him done. (i didn't post that video or title btw)

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/svo/1/1f0352bd-cbb4-4fca-93e6-98070171a335.htm

This v-8 must have needed tires too?

Hope you get the point. The v-8 cars are fun and all and I have owned several and currently own a 95 gt 5 spd but anyone who thinks the v-8 is better because it is a v-8 is just silly.

I love V8s and will never drive anything but. But, V8s do not rule the world and are not 'all that'. Used to be that V8s ruled because thats all there really was. That was a long time ago. Now we got 4 bangers and v6s that have sent high hp V8s packing with thier tails between thier legs, and then driven home on pump gas with a well deserved smile on thier face.

My point is this. Theres always somebody better and somebody faster. And they arent all runnin V8s. Know what i mean?

And the whole stock vs. modified bs? Thats comparing apples to hand grenades.

I respect the SVO and 2.3 turbos (like the '79 pace car) because they're part of our rich mustang heritage. I only don't like fwd fast and furious style cars. Also I only consider 4 cylinders below 2.0 liters to be good for gas mileage. At my dealership, the sales mgr's wife keeps dropping off her caliber saying it only gets 19mpg...hey it's a 2.4 which is considered a big four...plus she runs the a/c and holds it to the wood...I ran off a copy of a car and driver article about how they really get those mileage numbers and how they don't equate to real-world driving...
...getting a little off topic here. But yes I respect 2.3 turbos and would be happy to lay strip in one![sm=smiley20.gif]

p.s. back in the day the 2.3 turbo and 5.0 HO had similar if not identical hp/tq numbers...gotta respect that!

My next car will be an SVO (if I can find one). Gotta love them turbo four bangers. My Ranger has a 2.3l and I love that little engine.

I respect the SVO and 2.3 turbos (like the '79 pace car) because they're part of our rich mustang heritage. I only don't like fwd fast and furious style cars.

+1

i have parts gathered for a 2.3 thats going back into my dads 75 mach1 (yes, a II). i hogged out the bowls in the heads for larger stainless valves, and threw an erson cam in there which came into the shop on a core motor ;)

you think modding a 4cyl turbo is expensive? Try modding a 98 cobra....$1600 just for the bare heads...wtf? another 1500 for a cam kit....$3100 just for heads and only to gain, what, 30-40hp? Screw that, $3100 goes alot farther in a 4cyl turbo than it does in a 98 cobra...so i'm gonna sell the cobra. I am currently looking for an SVO or even a turbo coupe for that matter.....spend some money on it and have a 12 sec car that still gets 22mpg[sm=happybounce.gif]

ya, the svo's are sweet, but nothin beats the kick-in-the-pants of the torquey v8s. and if you plan on having a 12 second turbo car, you wont get that 22mpg without a serious foot adjustment. with that kind of power feet tend to become heavier, its wierd how gravity works!;)

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I have a job, and all my money is being dumped into my car and helpin my mom out. My parents rarely throw cash at me, I earn all of my **** on my own.
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AMEN! i did too, your not alone. my first car i bought for 700. the lincoln and earned and stuck over 10 grand in the motor, just to blow it up at the track. but yeah, i earned all of my money also.

ORIGINAL: Jerseyfury2

i have alotta respect for these blown 4 cylinders...but i mean i have a cobra so....if theres something that beats my cobra ill be impressed


If Only Had my GS-T Still here......[&o]

ORIGINAL: Jerseyfury2

i have alotta respect for these blown 4 cylinders...but i mean i have a cobra so....if theres something that beats my cobra ill be impressed


If you're ever in the tampa area with that cobra just email me and give me a bit of notice and i'll come out and play.

ohhh just stfu 8 cylinders are better you all know including you little douches with the 4 cylinders im not even going to take part in this kiddie **** just shut ur traps 4 cylinders are not anything like 8 cylinders want to run high boost on a 4 got buy a wrx i mean dont get me wrong the svo are cool as hell and rare but come on dont compare apples and grapes :D

Yeah I know man if it doesn't have 8 cylinders it can't be fast. That would be like superman getting killed by robin. World might impload if that happened.

I really hope that was a joke!

ORIGINAL: notchbackmatt87

ohhh just stfu 8 cylinders are better you all know including you little douches with the 4 cylinders im not even going to take part in this kiddie **** just shut ur traps 4 cylinders are not anything like 8 cylinders want to run high boost on a 4 got buy a wrx i mean dont get me wrong the svo are cool as hell and rare but come on dont compare apples and grapes :D

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I got into mustangs because I was putting a 2.3 turbo in a MGB. So had opertunity to buy a wrecked 88 mustang with 2.3 turbo. for extra motor. Guess what wife wanted a mustang and I had extra turbo motor. So I built the 89 2.3 turbo. Have less than 2500 in entire project. Have a good freind into the v-8 car. Have got lot of free parts from him and gave him some. He has drove mine and have talked off and on. No problem or conflict. Eviligloo mention dyno a cobra and svo. I did find this video. http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/mgman75/100_5106.jpg Went to NMRA in Bowling Green Ky last year, Enter 89 in car show. Talk to a bunch of people seen no conflict or problem. Treated with a lot of respec.

I have both, and they have their own pros and cons. The V8 sounds better and takes of better. Th 4 banger weighs less. But all in all i'd take the V8, but a worked up 2.3 turbo can smoke most V8's but a V* can always be built to overtake the 4

i find all of this amusing .. i might be new to this website .. but im not new to the race world .. first of all .. why all the 8 bangers getting mad for? yea the v8 might have more tq/hp but why is it that they think that they are some bad *** mother ****ers and get beat by a 4 banger they wanna get mad .. i know this is off the subject .. but if u are a real car enthusiast then it dont really matter .. i seen hondas beat mustangs, mustangs beat hondas, mustangs beat by gst and mustangs beating them .. my point is, it dont matter what u drive, its how much u do to ur car .. and the funny thing is .. how come that the v8 gets beat by 4 bangers .. and not talking about drag cars .. but i did my research u can put just as much money in to a four banger and do what a v8 can .. sorry .. i dont know who told yall wrong .. and if 4 bangers are so bad, then why they beat 5.0??? and and people talk about how 4 bangers have to cheat to keep up with a v8, think about it, u have 4 more cylinders .. but if alot of street 5.0s think they can always out beat 4 bangers, come to augusta ga .. seriously .. i mean .. dont boubt the smaller engine .. ud be suprised what they can do .. and why u pick on the 4 bangers, how come a v8 can with-stand the torture a 4 banger can?? 5.0 always tear up trannys, sling a rod, burn a piston up, or just dont work worth a damn .. but yet u can try to kill a 4 banger and it takes forever .. i had a ranger i bought with a 4 banger, it had a broke piston skirt .. i dogged it everyday, went mudding, did burnouts, blew a head gasket .. and still drove it and dogged it and played in it .. never broke .. removed the engine because it was embarassing 8 months later listening to the knock .. but i have an 87 with tc engine .. and i dog it every day .. still keep up with 5.0 and its stock .. just a custom c.a.i and cut off exhaust .. and honestly .. 4 banger just sounds more pleasing because it dont sound like its choking and makes a sound that goes with the power .. thats all i have to say .. just remember .. be suprised by what a 4 banger can do v8 people

This thread makes me giggle.

My gray Turbo Coupe (RIP) had a total of about 5K in it. Thats the purchase of the car, wheels, tires, brakes, engine, etc. In one night, I raced a 94 Firebird Formula that ran 13.0s at the track, and got him by a fender. We then had a 3 way race with a 2002 Saleen S281, and I nosed the BOTH of them out.

The power mods I had, Precision SC50 turbo, log header, 3" exhaust, boost controller, cold air intake, and a few tweaks.

It's the same argument over and over, 8 cylinder vs 4 cylinder...

My first car was an '88 Turbo Coupe. As much fun as that car wasI still enjoy my V-8 more. But that's just my opinion. To each his own. Personally I respect anyone who takes the time, money, and energy to improve their rides and make them faster. And I like to think that i'm not a moron, I know that there are 4 bangers out there that could put a whoopin' on me.

ORIGINAL: RedDevilSC

My first car was an '88 Turbo Coupe. As much fun as that car wasI still enjoy my V-8 more. But that's just my opinion. To each his own. Personally I respect anyone who takes the time, money, and energy to improve their rides and make them faster. And I like to think that i'm not a moron, I know that there are 4 bangers out there that could put a whoopin' on me.


I agree 100%

ORIGINAL: 8t4SVOGuy

They seem to knock the turbo 4 Cylinder engine because most of them don't know anything about them'
I'd put my SVO up against most any v8 with about the same money spent as i have.

I should be deep in the 11's by the end of the summer with my crappy weak or only good for economy 4banger.
Let's play V8 guys I want to hear your opinions.

And it's not that I like v8's either
I have a blown 5.4 87 Vert tranny swap 9" the works.

Apples to apples as I've heard
I'd always take an SVO the V8 cars are a dime a dozen
Rarity comes into play very much.

My Turbo Coupe did not hold a place in my heart like the SVO does.



Everybody loves to bench race. :eek: I should be deep into the 9s once i win the lottery.

Everyone loves what they have. Had you bought a V-6 and built it up you'd be in the V-6 section saying the same sh*t but about 6'ers. I practically live in the V-8 section and i can honestly say man i have never once in the past few years heard someone even mention anything about any 4 banger stangs. So idk what ur talking about.

meh turbo coupes suck, nothin like the light SVO mustang =P i may have two v8 mustangs but the 3rd is a Turbo 2.3L i know plenty thank you.

8 > 4

oh, and all you 4bangers that want to take on a V8, lemme know :D (< i really wanted to say that)

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!

i agree with ben... i also live in the v8 section and nobody ever doggs 4 banger stangs... but yet you guys are here dogging v8s... interesting. we all drive mustangs, it sounds like some peopleneed to grow up and realize we all love the same thing.

*edit* to be honest almost everyone in the v8 section knows that any 4 banger could be built to rape our v8s. we're not that naive... maybe you guys over here are naive enough to think every v8 driver talks sh*t about 4 bangers. i dont know. but we love our cars. most of us love your cars too. but we dont hate on you guys... most of us are better than that. i can tell you one thing... ive never seen a v8 stang owner ever post a thread talking crap about other stang owners. this thread is ridiculous

You V8 guys are the most self centered bunch of dumb ass's aren't you? we are not talking about just 5.0's[8D] we talk about chevy's, dodges, etc.

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!
Ummm.... last I cked the 4 cylinders weigh less, and the SVO is still the best handeling mustang out there (stock for stock:eek:)
Also check out the converted 94 on TF[8D]

Also
11's 4 cylinder - 27-29 MPG
11's V8...(non LSx) - 11 MPG (If lucky[&:])

4>8
turbo>N/A

Alright you find me an N/A 4 banger stang that will out handle and out perform my stang and ill shut up. But remember i said N/A. No nitrous. No turbo. No supercharger.

Its like arguing with midgets.:eek: Of coarse a midget could probably work out hard core and take roids and get huge and kick my arse but come on. . .

Its funny considering they dont make the 2.3l anymore...that basically sums it up. Why compare two of the packages that were offered with a specific car? They appeal to different people and obviously those peoples opinions will differ. Money isnt a variable when it comes to potential because almost all cars of all makes can be made fast, who cares if it costs a total of 10,000 or 100,000. We all know what money buys...quality.

The whole reason they made the 2.3 was because Ford was under a pinch for the gas crunch. It was never meant to be a performance car. The reason they made the SVO was to appease the people that b*tched.

Like said before. I've got parts from a v-8 nut. Mostly free or extremely cheap. Free coupe black interior, 8.8 limited 327 for 115 dollars, wheels with good tires on my car for a junk shell of body, 140 speedometer 25 dollars, and list goes on. Never had absolutely no problem with v-8 people at car shows. And mine definitely not one to be a a show. Just differant because of turbo. Had a lot of enjoyable good discustion and gave me idea's on mine. Like said all enjoy their cars and the pleasure of them.

i just read this whole thread. I can not beleive this is a debate.Its all what you like. If your in to4's over 8's, thats up to you, i don't get it, but im one of those so called "dumbass 8 cylinder guys" What are you like 12??

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

You V8 guys are the most self centered bunch of dumb ass's aren't you? we are not talking about just 5.0's[8D] we talk about chevy's, dodges, etc.

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!
Ummm.... last I cked the 4 cylinders weigh less, and the SVO is still the best handeling mustang out there (stock for stock:eek:)
Also check out the converted 94 on TF[8D]

Also
11's 4 cylinder - 27-29 MPG
11's V8...(non LSx) - 11 MPG (If lucky[&:])

4>8
turbo>N/A



I get roughly 18 city and 27 highway, good enough for me! Ididnt get in to the go fastgame just toB!TCHabout mpg.And im pretty sure my mach when it was bone stock would've taken a turn just as good if not way better than any 4 cyl! How about this! Post up a pic. of your ride and ill post up one of mine when it was stock!

ORIGINAL: dr1965

i just read this whole thread. I can not beleive this is a debate.Its all what you like. If your in to4's over 8's, thats up to you, i don't get it, but im one of those so called "dumbass 8 cylinder guys" What are you like 12??


HaHa.. The only reason i posted is because i find thisthread really amusing! Its not like im going to take any of this seriously or to heart![8D]

ORIGINAL: ben790450

The whole reason they made the 2.3 was because Ford was under a pinch for the gas crunch. It was never meant to be a performance car. The reason they made the SVO was to appease the people that b*tched.

They stopped making them because the V8 people bitched[8D] It out handeled and had almost the same power as the V8 that year (and it smoked it in races)

I have no issues with V8 people, but I hate the dumbass's that don't know their ****[8D]

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: ben790450

The whole reason they made the 2.3 was because Ford was under a pinch for the gas crunch. It was never meant to be a performance car. The reason they made the SVO was to appease the people that b*tched.

They stopped making them because the V8 people bitched[8D] It out handeled and had almost the same power as the V8 that year (and it smoked it in races)

I have no issues with V8 people, but I hate the dumbass's that don't know their ****[8D]


They stopped making it because in the 80's, there wasnt anything that could sell a turbo 4 cylinder. Everyone was still hyped up from the early 70's muscle car days, and most people that could afford a brand new car in the 80's had something from the high-powered V8 category. Tack that on with people having no clue about fuel injection, and still believing that turbos are unreliable, youre doomed from the start. Same issues with the Merkur XR4Ti.

I love the comment about Turbo Coupes sucking. It made me laugh. An SVO is only about 300 pounds lighter. 300 pounds comes down to a drivers race. You can loose the weight advantage by coming off the clutch too hard, or shifting a little slow. 300 pounds isnt dick if you cant drive. My car, FULLY LOADED, every option available weighed in at just about 3650. A fully optioned SVO is about 3350. Funny thing is, the big ole "heavy" Turbo Coupe is just as nimble as an SVO, has the leg room, and creature comforts, the same power, better drivability, and was cheaper than an SVO. Guess since Turbo Coupes sucked so much, they made them from 83-88, rather than the 84-86 SVO.

I love this thread :D

But I would love to have a 302 more then a turbo 4 [&o]

ORIGINAL: MACH5IVE

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

You V8 guys are the most self centered bunch of dumb ass's aren't you? we are not talking about just 5.0's[8D] we talk about chevy's, dodges, etc.

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!
Ummm.... last I cked the 4 cylinders weigh less, and the SVO is still the best handeling mustang out there (stock for stock:eek:)
Also check out the converted 94 on TF[8D]

Also
11's 4 cylinder - 27-29 MPG
11's V8...(non LSx) - 11 MPG (If lucky[&:])

4>8
turbo>N/A



I get roughly 18 city and 27 highway, good enough for me! Ididnt get in to the go fastgame just toB!TCHabout mpg.And im pretty sure my mach when it was bone stock would've taken a turn just as good if not way better than any 4 cyl! How about this! Post up a pic. of your ride and ill post up one of mine when it was stock!


I can gaurantee that My stock suspension SVO will easily outhandle your mach 1. The svo's came stock with tubular and wider geometry front a arms with adjustable Koni red struts as well as a wider stanced rear end with adjustable koni shocks/ quad shocks. Plus the weight distribution is almost 50% front to 50% rear. And I can get pics if you want me too, the svo is one of the best looking mustangs ever made.

ORIGINAL: SPE926

ORIGINAL: MACH5IVE

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

You V8 guys are the most self centered bunch of dumb ass's aren't you? we are not talking about just 5.0's[8D] we talk about chevy's, dodges, etc.

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!
Ummm.... last I cked the 4 cylinders weigh less, and the SVO is still the best handeling mustang out there (stock for stock:eek:)
Also check out the converted 94 on TF[8D]

Also
11's 4 cylinder - 27-29 MPG
11's V8...(non LSx) - 11 MPG (If lucky[&:])

4>8
turbo>N/A



I get roughly 18 city and 27 highway, good enough for me! Ididnt get in to the go fastgame just toB!TCHabout mpg.And im pretty sure my mach when it was bone stock would've taken a turn just as good if not way better than any 4 cyl! How about this! Post up a pic. of your ride and ill post up one of mine when it was stock!


I can gaurantee that My stock suspension SVO will easily outhandle your mach 1. The svo's came stock with tubular and wider geometry front a arms with adjustable Koni red struts as well as a wider stanced rear end with adjustable koni shocks/ quad shocks. Plus the weight distribution is almost 50% front to 50% rear. And I can get pics if you want me too, the svo is one of the best looking mustangs ever made.


Right! Thats why its still in production!?:eek:Look i've had enough laughs (this was even better thandebating with ricers), i think ima just walk away! You're right! The svo and any turbo 4 are gods and can take down ANYTHING! They're pretty much the best mustang ever made! <----Copy and paste that, put it in bold, go beat off to it, whatever! Have a nice day! Bye!:D

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/svo-1.jpg
OR
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/mach-1.jpg


YOU BE THE JUDGE!;)

ORIGINAL: MACH5IVE

ORIGINAL: SPE926

ORIGINAL: MACH5IVE

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

You V8 guys are the most self centered bunch of dumb ass's aren't you? we are not talking about just 5.0's[8D] we talk about chevy's, dodges, etc.

Im sorry but to all the guys with turbo 4's, yall talk about how much less it is to get in to low et's but seriously! I would much rather spend the extra cash and look GREAT in anewer v8 that looks and rides much better than the4cyls... I mean IMO they look like dog poo compared to 03-04 termies or any post 1994 stang! So please when you talk about spending cash and all that on your rides please take into accout looks and ride quality also and not just performance!
Ummm.... last I cked the 4 cylinders weigh less, and the SVO is still the best handeling mustang out there (stock for stock:eek:)
Also check out the converted 94 on TF[8D]

Also
11's 4 cylinder - 27-29 MPG
11's V8...(non LSx) - 11 MPG (If lucky[&:])

4>8
turbo>N/A



I get roughly 18 city and 27 highway, good enough for me! Ididnt get in to the go fastgame just toB!TCHabout mpg.And im pretty sure my mach when it was bone stock would've taken a turn just as good if not way better than any 4 cyl! How about this! Post up a pic. of your ride and ill post up one of mine when it was stock!


I can gaurantee that My stock suspension SVO will easily outhandle your mach 1. The svo's came stock with tubular and wider geometry front a arms with adjustable Koni red struts as well as a wider stanced rear end with adjustable koni shocks/ quad shocks. Plus the weight distribution is almost 50% front to 50% rear. And I can get pics if you want me too, the svo is one of the best looking mustangs ever made.


Right! Thats why its still in production!?:eek:Look i've had enough laughs (this was even better thandebating with ricers), i think ima just walk away! You're right! The svo and any turbo 4 are gods and can take down ANYTHING! They're pretty much the best mustang ever made! <----Copy and paste that, put it in bold, go beat off to it, whatever! Have a nice day! Bye!:D

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/svo-1.jpgMay not win drag, but will kick your as both on auto cross and the street:D
OR
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/mach-1.jpgMay win a drag race, but it will get killed on a road corse


YOU BE THE JUDGE!;)


Lol, quit it, your making me die of laughter[8D] btw, NooB

My favorite Mustang of all time is the 1991 Mustang GT with red interior and red exterior and of course the legendary 5-o. There is a reason the cops used 5-o coupes and not 4 cyclinder turbos as their police intercepter....

Mustangs are all about American bad ass detriot muscle, always have been. If you guys prefer the 4 bangers why not try out a Ford Focus? But then again I also think v6 mustangs are a damn shame,especially when its some middle aged guy in a convertable v6...but then again I think the v6 was made for highschool/college girls and maybe mid life crisis moms.

No hate intended :)

Guess you never saw the cops episode where a 5.o was chasing a turbocoupe and the cop says something along the lines of you can't outrun a 5.0, then proceeds to get walked by the turbocoupe. Oh and as far as I know they aren't making a bunch of mustang now including your all mighty mach 1, the terminator cobra, etc.

ORIGINAL: WhiteyonWelfare

My favorite Mustang of all time is the 1991 Mustang GT with red interior and red exterior and of course the legendary 5-o. There is a reason the cops used 5-o coupes and not 4 cyclinder turbos as their police intercepter....

Mustangs are all about American bad ass detriot muscle, always have been. If you guys prefer the 4 bangers why not try out a Ford Focus? But then again I also think v6 mustangs are a damn shame,especially when its some middle aged guy in a convertable v6...but then again I think the v6 was made for highschool/college girls and maybe mid life crisis moms.

No hate intended :)





Yeah there is it wasless expensive

hey this thread really show how stupid smepeople are, im a v8 guy, and soon to be turbo 4 guy, but if you build your turbo 4 and i take my slightly built 460 we'll run the same 1/4 time, and if i build mine there is no Z06 or AWD that will compete even with a s/c throw in....now for road racing and Auto-X hands down goes to the 4's but it take very little for you guys to compete with v-8's and that's from a v-8 guy...and anyone that the deciding factor comes down to looks is a dumb****.....i like the ugly ass rusted out beater that slams an 08 viper on any course or even an exotic

ORIGINAL: SPE926

I can gaurantee that My stock suspension SVO will easily outhandle your mach 1. The svo's came stock with tubular and wider geometry front a arms with adjustable Koni red struts as well as a wider stanced rear end with adjustable koni shocks/ quad shocks. Plus the weight distribution is almost 50% front to 50% rear. And I can get pics if you want me too, the svo is one of the best looking mustangs ever made.

Lets get down to buisness here.

Wider geometry? Wider than what? The rear axle is the same as an 84-85 Lincoln Mark VII. The Mark VII is 1.25" wider per side in the rear than a fox mustang. The Mach 1 uses a rear that is 1" wider per side. Now factor in wheel offset. The SVO wheels are heavily offset so the wheels dont hang out of the wheel well. Use ANY off the shelf mustang wheel, and it will stick out. While the axles are wider on the SVO, the track width is not. Now, for the control arms, they are the same length as the Mach 1. End of story. So what advantage do you have in width? Absolutely none, and youre still most likely at a disadvantage.

Koni reds? Better shocks and struts yes, but most here wont realize that Mach 1's come with either Bilstein or Tokico's, and better spring rates than the SVO. There isnt much advantage over a stock SVO and stock Mach 1. Comes down to a drivers race easily.

ORIGINAL: primetime5.0

I'd put my SVO up against most any v8 with about the same money spent as i have.
so would you run KB cobra? jw


+10 on kb termi

Termi - $35k???

SVO - $3k...

So he has $32k left for mods[&:]:eek:

SVO will be in the 9's:D if not 8's:D:D:D termi.... 11's maybe?

ORIGINAL: TBird232ci

ORIGINAL: SPE926

I can gaurantee that My stock suspension SVO will easily outhandle your mach 1. The svo's came stock with tubular and wider geometry front a arms with adjustable Koni red struts as well as a wider stanced rear end with adjustable koni shocks/ quad shocks. Plus the weight distribution is almost 50% front to 50% rear. And I can get pics if you want me too, the svo is one of the best looking mustangs ever made.

Lets get down to buisness here.

Wider geometry? Wider than what? The rear axle is the same as an 84-85 Lincoln Mark VII. The Mark VII is 1.25" wider per side in the rear than a fox mustang. The Mach 1 uses a rear that is 1" wider per side. Now factor in wheel offset. The SVO wheels are heavily offset so the wheels dont hang out of the wheel well. Use ANY off the shelf mustang wheel, and it will stick out. While the axles are wider on the SVO, the track width is not. Now, for the control arms, they are the same length as the Mach 1. End of story. So what advantage do you have in width? Absolutely none, and youre still most likely at a disadvantage.

Koni reds? Better shocks and struts yes, but most here wont realize that Mach 1's come with either Bilstein or Tokico's, and better spring rates than the SVO. There isnt much advantage over a stock SVO and stock Mach 1. Comes down to a drivers race easily.



The Machs also came with stiffer sway bars and more weight, And even with the offset on the wheels the width of the wheel base is still slighty larger and the whoe front geometry is different from the k- member to the a-arms, the wheels sit farther forward on the svo's than the stock mustang suspension. So yes total wheel base is longer and helps handling. Many people on the svoca web site autocross their svo's a are always beating later model more powerful mustangs.

Now I don't want to sound like a bench racer, I would love a mach 1 if someone wanted to give me one (too poor to buy one)and I have had a full bolt on 86 gt so I also have had the v8 part of the equation also. I just hate to see people who know nothing about what they are talking bout say something stupid and ignorant.

edit: SVO's also came with special springs made for habdling much like the bullit/mach 1's

This thread does not deliver...

A bunch of 4cyl guys high 5ing eachother [8D]

Meh do what you guys want, everyone is different but if i wanted to be fast in a 4cyl i sure wouldnt pick an SVO to do it with, you guys all argue that of for the price of a Cobra you could put that money in a SVO and be in the 9's blah blah blah.. how many SVO's on this forum are in the 9's?... how many are in the 11's for that matter?..... pulley and exhaust on a Cobra or Exhaust and a cam on an Ls1 and bye bye.. sorry guys :D

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

This thread does not deliver...

A bunch of 4cyl guys high 5ing eachother [8D]

Meh do what you guys want, everyone is different but if i wanted to be fast in a 4cyl i sure wouldnt pick an SVO to do it with, you guys all argue that of for the price of a Cobra you could put that money in a SVO and be in the 9's blah blah blah.. how many SVO's on this forum are in the 9's?... how many are in the 11's for that matter?..... pulley and exhaust on a Cobra or Exhaust and a cam on an Ls1 and bye bye.. sorry guys :D


Same could be said about the v8 guys![:-]

i would lock and get rid of this thread but it seems to provide something to do for a lot of people busy with not doing anything to their cars. 4 bangers to v8's is like comparing oranges to grapefruits: it's stupid.

Simple Fact, 4 cylinder DD in the 8s or 9's is doing ti with only half the block[8D]
V8's have more displacment, so its easier to get fast 1/4 mile times

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/svo-1.jpg

Destroys this....

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CaddilacCantell/mach-1.jpg

ok, hellion, you show me how the hell you can get 450hp out of a stock 302 with just $1000. Sh!t, you show me how to get 450 out of a three valve with just a grand. sounds impossible to me.

The reason this thread was started was to compare a stock 2.3 turbo and a stock v-8, then throw the same amount of money at them and see who had the faster car. Why you guys started the whole 35k car wiht 5k bolts on will get whooped by the 5k car with 35k bolts on is beyond me. I mean no sh!t!!! btw.

I got a 5oh, cant beat the torque it delivers. I got a 2.3t and i absolutly love the feel when the turbo kicks in. But the 2.3 has about280 and the 5.0 was dynoed at 290. They both have about the same amount into them.
I will never argue which one is better. the 2.3 block can handle more power, but the heads suck ass. Then again a mod block is almost indestructable. All engines ahve there ups and downs. It doesn't make sense to compare them unless you put down some guidelines, like two stock motors throw 5k at them in the same type of mods and see which one ends up making more power. Otherwise, its pointless

^^ Well said I agree with you 100%


Oh a jugador, I just really had to pee so I thought I would contribute to the pissing conteset that had already started:D

ORIGINAL: SPE926

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

This thread does not deliver...

A bunch of 4cyl guys high 5ing eachother [8D]

Meh do what you guys want, everyone is different but if i wanted to be fast in a 4cyl i sure wouldnt pick an SVO to do it with, you guys all argue that of for the price of a Cobra you could put that money in a SVO and be in the 9's blah blah blah.. how many SVO's on this forum are in the 9's?... how many are in the 11's for that matter?..... pulley and exhaust on a Cobra or Exhaust and a cam on an Ls1 and bye bye.. sorry guys :D


Same could be said about the v8 guys![:-]


we have a reason 2 [8D] ........... just playinnnn

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

A bunch of 4cyl guys high 5ing eachother [8D]


I guess you havnt read my posts too much. I probably had one of the quicker 2.3L's on the forum, yet I'm defending both sides. I guess having knowledge allows me to overcome ignornace.

I like both just got a 2.3t because wanted small, high hp to put in my MGB project. A lot of 2.3t are in the high hp rating. So are the v-8's. Most of the 2.3t use junkyard parts or off other cars or were designed for for other vechicles. There is just not the support of parts for a 2.3t like in a v-8. How many differant "new" head are available for a v-8 compared to a 2.3t? Most 2.3t have a junkyard diy mode of thinking. Because we have to. Like said before I have no problem with v-8 guys. Maybe because of the turbo. Because of running something differant. I don't know. For the v-8 guys that haven't seen a 2.3 t drag. Will start with this person. Remember he still has stock interior in it but has added rollbars.
http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/svojohn/Other%20SVOs/?action=view&current=HuberWheelsUp.flv
Here is another person.
http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/svojohn/Other%20SVOs/?action=view&current=FOURCEDbyLYNCH1.flv
There is more just a one's I have as favorite's. Best wishs to all and keep it safe. Do it on the track.

ORIGINAL: TBird
A fully optioned SVO is about 3350

To be technical, the only options on an SVO was leather and sunroof, and to make it a comp prep, the comp preps being lighter of course. Just pullin' yer legof course;)

It all comes down to a couple things. I love my SVO's. They are unique, can easily be made pretty quick, look cool, whatever you want to say, you are going to come up with whatever you want to back up your argument.

The Mach used as comparison is very much in the same box as the SVO. Unique, rare, and cool. Think 20 yrs into the future and it will be very similar to the SVO today. I would love to have a Mach. IMO they are the best looking late model Mustang produced.

4's and 8's, apples and oranges. I have ~ $3,000 in my silver SVO and it runs consistently in the mid 13's right now. I love the car, and if I could have a Mach for $3,000 I would own it too. Sometimes the amount of $ at your disposal has a large impact on what you drive.

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

This thread does not deliver...

how many SVO's on this forum are in the 9's?... how many are in the 11's for that matter?..... pulley and exhaust on a Cobra or Exhaust and a cam on an Ls1 and bye bye.. sorry guys :D


I guess I can say I am.

I'm not worried about pulley/exhaust cobras been there raced them and so far never had one beat me. Not had the chance to run many stout chevys but a cam ls1 isn't a worry.

I think alot of the v-8 guys missed the point and alot of wrong info posted by the 4 cylinder guys just confuse the issue.

I have seen a few posts about na 4 cylinder mustangs but i'm unsure of why as this is the svo specific forum and they all came with turbos so the 4 cylinders being refered to aren't 88hp monstersyou guys might be thinking of.

The fully optioned svos didn't weigh 3350 unless you add a driver and tools. The svo's also handled awesome for the day and will still slap around a gt s197 in the corners. Bet the mach1 would handle the corners better then the new mustangs as it isn't as overweight and still makes similar hp.
The mach1 is a nicely balanced car and would make a good driver. They handle and feel more tight then a terminator. On the other handle all of the sn-95 and don't even get me started on the s197 cars are getting way fat in the ass and even with some of the awesome motors they have you can't really see how good they are because of the package that is holding them back. (look at the mod foxes to see how good these motors are and can be)

Just so you guys don't go thinking i'm just another 4 cylinder guy consider I have owned a 89gt with mods, a 95 gt with mods and currently own a 00gt with a 5.4 swap.

I have a stock 88hp 4cyl and its great fun.... not half as fun as the scamp i had with the 318 but hey, atleast i dont get 10mpg

4cyl's and V-8's are weird, I drive a 5cyl, yes,It is odd!!

ORIGINAL: skirkpat

4cyl's and V-8's are weird, I drive a 5cyl, yes,It is odd!!

Joined just to type that? what a tool:eek:[:-]

ORIGINAL: sleeper_inc

ORIGINAL: skirkpat

4cyl's and V-8's are weird, I drive a 5cyl, yes,It is odd!!

Joined just to type that? what a tool:eek:[:-]



Hahaha, quite the first post [8D]

and i bet we will never hear from him again

ORIGINAL: stanggang1892

This thread does not deliver...

A bunch of 4cyl guys high 5ing eachother [8D]

Meh do what you guys want, everyone is different but if i wanted to be fast in a 4cyl i sure wouldnt pick an SVO to do it with, you guys all argue that of for the price of a Cobra you could put that money in a SVO and be in the 9's blah blah blah.. how many SVO's on this forum are in the 9's?... how many are in the 11's for that matter?..... pulley and exhaust on a Cobra or Exhaust and a cam on an Ls1 and bye bye.. sorry guys :D
outdated technology and lack of support are the 2.3's greatest down fall.if you where to go to a forum such ask turboford.net or turbotbird and as such a question youwould most likely be surprizedbuy the answers you get. also think ofhow meny people own and do 2.3t modifications in comparison to 5.0 or 4.6s or ls1 owners. how many people owna 5.0 or 4.6 or ls1 and do nothing and are aware of there potential. how meny people own 2.3's and do nothing and are unaware of there potential.