Thats what latest motor trend says, that cars starting from 2012 have to do a certain number of miles per gallon to be legal. Ford is thinking of making the mustang a 3.7 v6 Turbo in order to meet the standards. But they say it will make more HP than the v8s. But still IMO mustang are suppose to have V8's. Mucle Cars are going to die out. Im keeping me a V8 mustang im not getting a v6 turbo muscle car. What do you guys think?

Muscle cars died out a long time ago.

The Mustang is not a muscle car. :eek:

Chicken Little.


~Fletch~

I guess we got to move on....:(

Don't worry ford will not get rid of the v8. I read this same thing about the turbo motor but i also read that, that will only be a option motor or that turbo motor will be stock n the v8 will be optional. So don't worry!

buy crate engines

that sucks...

It's bullsh!t. There will still be V8's around. There will just be other offerings to boost overall fleet fuel economy. That, and greater 'gas guzzler' taxes....

by 2012 ill be able to easly afford a new vette on my income, im not worried, its a shame, fords going to get bought up, drop the mustang and just sell trucks, because they really have some **** decission making

^ Damn, that was kinda harsh, lol....

Isn't the world suppose to end in 2012 anyway

^ That's a bunch of bullsh!t, too, lol....:D

They better not get rid of the v8 mustang... why don't ford change their f150's to a 4 cylinder to make up for mpg's...

The way I see it, power is power. If they can get the same if not more power from a turbo V6, go for it.

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Isn't the world suppose to end in 2012 anyway



according to the myan calander

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The way I see it, power is power.great post

isnt the world supposed to end in 2012 or something [8D]

I doubt they will be getting rid of the V8. I understand it as they will have to bring their overall FLEET mileage up to a certain standard. You see there are reasons for hybrid cars...let the people concerned about global meltdown buy the hybrids. If it keeps the tree-hugging hippies from keying my car then I'm all for it. Same goes for the grand marketing scheme of ethanol.

No more V8 mustangs? Weak sauce...

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Isn't the world suppose to end in 2012 anyway



according to the myan calander




Incorrect. Common misconception, though. The Mayan calendar ends in 2012. It ends in 2012 because their calendar was based on astrological measurements and calculations. 2012 is simply the end of the astrological age of Pices, which just so happens to be the little fish that Cristians put on their trunklids and crap. It's like the Y2K thing, really.....

yeah, just that i'd throw that out there. theres some documentary that plays on the discovery channel that claims all that nonsense.

the only reason i even know about that is cause me and my wife went to the riviera maya on our honeymoon and went on a tour of the mayan city, Chichen Itza. interesting stuff non the less.

Ford's got that Displacement On Demand technology coming too...thought I read it was gonna be in the '09 Mustangs. Maybe they've changed their mind about that in the past few months, but I could've sworn I saw that mentioned.

I agree withacascianelli - I think power is power. If they increase power levels over the V8, what is the difference in how it makes it.


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2012 is simply the end of the astrological age of Pices, which just so happens to be the little fish that Cristians put on their trunklids and crap. It's like the Y2K thing, really.....


I thought that was the Ichthys.... based on the way of comminucating with other Christians in a time when Romans were killing them. A person would draw an arc in the sand or dirt when talking, then if the other person crossed it, it was to show they were a Christian as well. ????

You are correct. I should have explained myself a little better. Pisces is latin for fish. The Ichthys is Greek in origin and is depicted as a fish representing Christ, which is explained in the acronym. Translated it means Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Our Savior. It has some ties into Pisces of astronomy in some form, but it's been a little while since I've really into this stuff. I used to do a lot of reading on stuff like that. I forget their relation, but I know it's not significant. And I'm too lazy to try to find it, so I'll give this discussion a rest

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I agree withacascianelli - I think power is power. If they increase power levels over the V8, what is the difference in how it makes it.


Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.

Thats the only reason I am worried about the death of the v8 in the future. There's nothing like that sound...

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Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?

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Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


I'd rather be able to hear than to bench 500 pounds.
[8D]

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ORIGINAL: cmj

Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]

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Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]



+1
In the end, a V8 would have more power potential and better sound. LilRoush FAIL. :D

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Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]



+1 again.

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ORIGINAL: cmj

Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]




A Civic that'd put a beating on a 'Stang w/ a set of Blowmasters.....[8D]

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ORIGINAL: cmj

Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]



+1
In the end, a V8 would have more power potential and better sound. LilRoush FAIL. :D




There is absolutey no reason an engine would have more power potential than another based solely on cylinder count. None. FAIL.....:D

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Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]




A Civic that'd put a beating on a 'Stang w/ a set of Blowmasters.....[8D]


This is a Mustang forum for a reason, because we prefer V8 muscle cars over 4 cylinder pussy cars. No offense to 4 cylinder drivers, but we live for the sound of a V8.

I doubt they will get rid of the V8, if they did that wouldn't they have to get rid of all the other high performance cars that have V12 and so on?

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ORIGINAL: cmj

Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]




A Civic that'd put a beating on a 'Stang w/ a set of Blowmasters.....[8D]


This is a Mustang forum for a reason, because we prefer V8 muscle cars over 4 cylinder pussy cars. No offense to 4 cylinder drivers, but we live for the sound of a V8.



1) Mustangs are not muscle cars.

2) You've obviously never come across an Evo or STi if you claim a car to be a pussy just because it has 4 cylinders.




Mustang forum it may be, that doesn't give one the right to be a narrow-minded assh0le....

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1) Mustangs are not muscle cars.

2) You've obviously never come across an Evo or STi if you claim a car to be a pussy just because it has 4 cylinders.

Mustang forum it may be, that doesn't give one the right to be a narrow-minded assh0le....



1) Depends on your point of view. Fact remains: The current mustang will outperform just about anything from the "first muscle car era"

But do you want to compare the two? No...

I therefore say this is the second muscle car era, or the dawn of it anyway. We have a little while before we will see Challengers and Camaro's on the road. Which makes the mustang a muscle car indeed.

2) They still sound nothing like a V8. Although the rumble of a flat four is something that warms my heart too... But that's mainly because of the old aircooled VW beetles...

And I still don't like the whole boy ricer type with the reverse cap you tend to find sitting inside said vehicles.

I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.

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I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.


-The Mustang is a Pony Car, not a Muscle Car.

-Car's use I4's, not V4's.

Try again.....

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ORIGINAL: scg87
1) Mustangs are not muscle cars.

2) You've obviously never come across an Evo or STi if you claim a car to be a pussy just because it has 4 cylinders.

Mustang forum it may be, that doesn't give one the right to be a narrow-minded assh0le....



1) Depends on your point of view. Fact remains: The current mustang will outperform just about anything from the "first muscle car era"

But do you want to compare the two? No...

I therefore say this is the second muscle car era, or the dawn of it anyway. We have a little while before we will see Challengers and Camaro's on the road. Which makes the mustang a muscle car indeed.

2) They still sound nothing like a V8. Although the rumble of a flat four is something that warms my heart too... But that's mainly because of the old aircooled VW beetles...

And I still don't like the whole boy ricer type with the reverse cap you tend to find sitting inside said vehicles.




1) Be that as it may, it's still not a muscle car, it's a pony car. A new Civic Si will trash most old-school muscle cars,so does that qualify them as one???

2) Sound is a completely subjective matter, and is judged upon nothing more than one's personal taste. The way a car sounds has nothing to do w/ how good of a car it is.

And as for the ricer stereotype, douche-bags drive all makes and models, what's your point??? I could not count how many ill-speakingrednecks thought their 5.0 Fox would smoke my 350Z just because they had a two cylinder advantage. Does that make all 'Stang drivers stupid trailer-trash??? Of course not.....

i doubt they'll get rid of the V8 mustangs are legends if they sell out its a shame...guess we will be buyin crate engines for our babies

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ORIGINAL: cmj

Because it sure as hell won't have that V8 sound.



What matters more, power or sound?


Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..[&:]




A Civic that'd put a beating on a 'Stang w/ a set of Blowmasters.....[8D]


This is a Mustang forum for a reason, because we prefer V8 muscle cars over 4 cylinder pussy cars. No offense to 4 cylinder drivers, but we live for the sound of a V8.



^^^^+1 to that one! I don't give a s**t how much power you have in your 4 cylinder. I don't want just the power, I want the sound to go with. Why have just one when you can get both!? Just my $.02.

Ok, so the '08 Civic SI has a 2.0 L w/ 197 horsepower. That's not too shabby. But as for it "putting a beating on a 'Stang".... OR trashing most muscle cars....

Ahh forget it, I'm not even going to argue. You're right.The Honda Cicic IS the be all, end all, balls of solid rock Mustang killer, no question about it. Case closed.

1) Where did I say it was a Mustang killer??? Show me where I said that....

2) It's a high 14 sec car. Which like I said, is enough to beat most old muscle cars. Just a simple fact. Whether or not you chose to accept it and move on, rather than putting words in my mouth and try to stir something up, is up to you....

I'd rather have v8's... mustangs are really tend to have v8... :( So do you think we should preserve v8 mustangs?:(

Displacement on demand is what they are testing as we speek.

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I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.


-The Mustang is a Pony Car, not a Muscle Car.

-Car's use I4's, not V4's.

Try again.....


V4 or I4 whatever. A 4 cylinder regardless does not have the power potential of a V8. Hence why professional racing largely uses V8's. If they could make the same power out of a V4 or I4 then they would use them.

I forgot to mention.. i was considering the Mustang legacy as being a muscle car not saying in particular a certain Mustang

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ORIGINAL: josephspann

I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.


-The Mustang is a Pony Car, not a Muscle Car.

-Car's use I4's, not V4's.

Try again.....


V4 or I4 whatever. A 4 cylinder regardless does not have the power potential of a V8. Hence why professional racing largely uses V8's. If they could make the same power out of a V4 or I4 then they would use them.




- There are NO V4's.

- And there is nothing to show or prove motorsports use mostly V8's. What uses V8's??? Stock car and drag racing primarily. And some touring car cups. Other than that V8 usage is no more prevelant than any other for of engine. Motorsports series' use the sh!t out of 4 cyls'.The WRC uses nearly all 4 cyls. As does most low-level production car class racing.Prototype racing uses mainly V10 and V12 engines. Nearly every other form has different engines competing w/ one another, and there is nohting about the 8 cyl layout that automatically facilitate it's domination or superiority. It's all about how an engine is built. Honda drags 240 hp out of a 2.0 NA 4cyl. 20 short of what Ford did w/ the 4.6 V8 in the New Edge. Production cars aren't made w/ their engines at full power potential, and once the engine reaches that point through modding, it's essentially unstreetable. And regardless of power potential, there will always be some cases in which a smaller displacement, fewer-cylinder count engine is a better choice......

The people that covet the sound of a V8 engine are a dying breed.It makes more economic sense to start putting upgraded 4 and 6 cylinder engines in the Mustang because they can cut costs due to being able to share the same engine platform throughout the lineup.Ther still is no 4 or 6 that can sound like a V8,Oh well.

Le Mans is largely V8 and V10. What I was trying to say is they aren't wanting to use smaller engines because of the potential of hp. Of course WRC uses 4 cylinders... It's rally... all evo's and wrx's and stuff like that. Most other forms of racing are larger engines like a V8 or V10. I'm still not seeing how a 4 cylinder has equal power potential at a larger engine whether it is a v8 or v10 is besides the point.

No you are not seeing it, but you also were stupid enough to suggest 1 v8 could get 8000hp? Yeah, for a couple seconds and then explode.

I am going to try to address everything I see as wrong with this thread. Alrighty, here I go.

1) The mustang is not a muscle car, never has been and never will.The mustang is a pony car, actually it invented the whole pony car class. *Interesting sidenote, see below.

2) V8, V6 orI4the sound of a vehicles engine all comes down to preference.

3) An engine is essentially a big air pump, meaning more air = more power. There are two ways (excluding additives such as nitrous) to get more air: have a larger volume combustion area (read- bigger engine) or have a higher concentration of air per unit volume (read- more pressure, or "boost"). This means that each engine type has an equalizer, small engines have forced induction while larger engines have displacement. Now I'm sure someone will pipe up with this gem "Following that logic it would be better to have a big engine with boost, so big engine's win." This is partially correct but flawed. Yes in an ideal situation this is true, but one must take into account the predispositions of the engines. Large displacement engines tend to be low-revving, and built with internals built for ambient air pressure whereas small displacement engines are built to be high-revving and stronger internals built for high pressures(boost). The conclusion that can be drawn from all of this is that no engine is truly more disposed to producing power, or has more "potential". The potential of an engine is directly porportional to the amount of money one is willing to put into said engine.


*Originally the Mustang was small, low weight and low power when compared to muscle cars. It derived it's sales from being moderately fast, due to moderate horsepower and low weight, and enjoyable to drive. Sound familiar, because it should be. This descriptionfits most Japanese sports cars, which are smaller, weigh less and have less power when compared to domestics.

Displacement on demand seems to be a flop.Lots of technology for a few miles to the gallon at best.I'm pretty sure the V8 as we know it will die soon for the most part.They could get a lot better mileage out of one with something as simple as direct injection.But what vehicles really require a V8 nowadays?Trucks?Musclecars,Ponycars?CAFE standards will most likely kill us around the 2010 models.I'm not ready for anything other than a V8 symphony but I am obviously amongst a few.Most cars are wrong wheel drive and don't have the room for a V8 so look to getting acquainted with the sounds of 4 and 6 cylinders or keep your current cars!The dinosaurs never saw it coming,Thank God we do!

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No you are not seeing it, but you also were stupid enough to suggest 1 v8 could get 8000hp? Yeah, for a couple seconds and then explode.


one V8 can make 8000 hp. I never said it was meant to last. They last enough to do their job which is 4 seconds down the strip. What top fuel dragster uses a basketball size turbo with a I4? your missing what i'm trying to say too so in a way I guess were both not seeing it one way or another. This is like beating a dead animal with a stick. It is pointless to try and state a point on here because you just get people stating their own and it turns to an argument. And like its been said before... arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. even if you win you are still retarded

You do realize that those 8,000hp V8's are still using forced-induction, right???


And at any rate, if the aguement winner is retarded, what does that make the loser????.....:D

That special olympics comment was created by people that are too stupid to defend their own opinions to make themselves feel better.

i have mixed views on this, i kind of wouldnt mind because then you could listen to two turbos goin off, but my mustang love just tells me the v8s sound too mean to let go. yeah you can cam and o/r xpipe and headers and all that for the v6 to sound almost like the 8, but its just not quite the same.

If a Mustang is not considered a "new" musclecar, what is? Charger SRT8? Come-on...

I guess it's a personal opinion, as I won't stray from mine, others will not stray from theirs. Fact is the world is going green, but loose the V8? I don't care if an engine makes more power, a v6 still sounds nothing like a V8. And I think, even without mds, they can coax more gas mileage out of the current V8's. Hell, if they find a way to make lighter cars, and keep the same horsepower, you'll end up with more MPG & have better performance. But if we don't have another choice? Damn... guess I'll be stuck driving my 2005 for all eternity then.

I know this is basically a cut and paste from another thread, but still...

Why not just go to a small V8? (Taurus SHO had a 3.4, and the last Tbird had a 3.9) TT that for some more efficient fun, and it'll still be a v8 for the purists, plus it'll be a lot smaller displacement for MPG, and TT could easily make up for the power. You put variable timing, tall high end gears, and DOD on a 3.5 V8, and you could get some rather good MPG numbers. Easily what most v6's are getting today.

I'd think that would be a best of both worlds. Have THAT be the mass produced GT, and have there be some special edition V8's like the Boss or Cobra that have the classic larger displacement engine. Have a 3.5TT v8 "GT", and a 5.0 Hurricane "Boss 302". Make the Boss a lot smaller production than the GT, and that should satisfy CAFE fairly well.

Thats not true at all...

CAFE standards are set to begin taking place in 2012, but cars will not be expected to fully meet the standards until 2020.

-Muscle cars are not dead! I dont care what the purists say, all the best muscle names are coming back on the market, Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Challenger, Charger, so how can you say that?

Plus, who cares if the car has a V8 or not, as long as it sounds and performs like muscle, its muscle.

i do not think ford is stupid enough to stop selling v8 mustangs period. thats my 2 cents

ok mustang, camaro, challenger are pony cars, corvette is a sports car, and charger i guess could be considered muscle but it's ugly so i don't care. imho i don't know whats gonna happen to V8's but i do love the sound. but i will say that CAFE 2020 prob won't work like they think it will because they'll just start making more 350 size trucks to get away from it. also they need to focus on getting one alternative not a a thousand for fuel.

it wouldnt surprise me if by 2020, at least one of these car manufacturers finds a loophole allowing them to make a gas guzzling v8 with a fuel efficient car like turbo 4cyl as a base model.

V6 FTW :D

Old thread FTL [>:]
Just ripping on ya man ;)