2) You've obviously never come across an Evo or STi if you claim a car to be a pussy just because it has 4 cylinders.
Mustang forum it may be, that doesn't give one the right to be a narrow-minded assh0le....
1) Depends on your point of view. Fact remains: The current mustang will outperform just about anything from the "first muscle car era"
But do you want to compare the two? No...
I therefore say this is the second muscle car era, or the dawn of it anyway. We have a little while before we will see Challengers and Camaro's on the road. Which makes the mustang a muscle car indeed.
2) They still sound nothing like a V8. Although the rumble of a flat four is something that warms my heart too... But that's mainly because of the old aircooled VW beetles...
And I still don't like the whole boy ricer type with the reverse cap you tend to find sitting inside said vehicles.
1) Be that as it may, it's still not a muscle car, it's a pony car. A new Civic Si will trash most old-school muscle cars, so does that qualify them as one???
2) Sound is a completely subjective matter, and is judged upon nothing more than one's personal taste. The way a car sounds has nothing to do w/ how good of a car it is.
And as for the ricer stereotype, douche-bags drive all makes and models, what's your point??? I could not count how many ill-speaking rednecks thought their 5.0 Fox would smoke my 350Z just because they had a two cylinder advantage. Does that make all 'Stang drivers stupid trailer-trash??? Of course not.....
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Sounds like something a guy that drives a Civic would say..
A Civic that'd put a beating on a 'Stang w/ a set of Blowmasters.....
This is a Mustang forum for a reason, because we prefer V8 muscle cars over 4 cylinder pussy cars. No offense to 4 cylinder drivers, but we live for the sound of a V8.
^^^^+1 to that one! I don't give a s**t how much power you have in your 4 cylinder. I don't want just the power, I want the sound to go with. Why have just one when you can get both!? Just my $.02.
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Ok, so the '08 Civic SI has a 2.0 L w/ 197 horsepower. That's not too shabby. But as for it "putting a beating on a 'Stang".... OR trashing most muscle cars....
Ahh forget it, I'm not even going to argue. You're right. The Honda Cicic IS the be all, end all, balls of solid rock Mustang killer, no question about it. Case closed.
1) Where did I say it was a Mustang killer??? Show me where I said that....
2) It's a high 14 sec car. Which like I said, is enough to beat most old muscle cars. Just a simple fact. Whether or not you chose to accept it and move on, rather than putting words in my mouth and try to stir something up, is up to you....
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I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.
-The Mustang is a Pony Car, not a Muscle Car.
-Car's use I4's, not V4's.
Try again.....
V4 or I4 whatever. A 4 cylinder regardless does not have the power potential of a V8. Hence why professional racing largely uses V8's. If they could make the same power out of a V4 or I4 then they would use them.
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I forgot to mention.. i was considering the Mustang legacy as being a muscle car not saying in particular a certain Mustang
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I have always seen the Mustang name as a muscle car. With that said, I think the muscle should stay v8. But again everyone has their own opinion and I personally would just like to see the v8 stick around. Any on the v8 vs. v4 power potential... I'm sorry but have you ever seen an 8000hp v4? If you have please lemme see it cause that would blow my mind.
-The Mustang is a Pony Car, not a Muscle Car.
-Car's use I4's, not V4's.
Try again.....
V4 or I4 whatever. A 4 cylinder regardless does not have the power potential of a V8. Hence why professional racing largely uses V8's. If they could make the same power out of a V4 or I4 then they would use them.
- There are NO V4's.
- And there is nothing to show or prove motorsports use mostly V8's. What uses V8's??? Stock car and drag racing primarily. And some touring car cups. Other than that V8 usage is no more prevelant than any other for of engine. Motorsports series' use the sh!t out of 4 cyls'. The WRC uses nearly all 4 cyls. As does most low-level production car class racing. Prototype racing uses mainly V10 and V12 engines. Nearly every other form has different engines competing w/ one another, and there is nohting about the 8 cyl layout that automatically facilitate it's domination or superiority. It's all about how an engine is built. Honda drags 240 hp out of a 2.0 NA 4cyl. 20 short of what Ford did w/ the 4.6 V8 in the New Edge. Production cars aren't made w/ their engines at full power potential, and once the engine reaches that point through modding, it's essentially unstreetable. And regardless of power potential, there will always be some cases in which a smaller displacement, fewer-cylinder count engine is a better choice......
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The people that covet the sound of a V8 engine are a dying breed.It makes more economic sense to start putting upgraded 4 and 6 cylinder engines in the Mustang because they can cut costs due to being able to share the same engine platform throughout the lineup.Ther still is no 4 or 6 that can sound like a V8,Oh well.
Le Mans is largely V8 and V10. What I was trying to say is they aren't wanting to use smaller engines because of the potential of hp. Of course WRC uses 4 cylinders... It's rally... all evo's and wrx's and stuff like that. Most other forms of racing are larger engines like a V8 or V10. I'm still not seeing how a 4 cylinder has equal power potential at a larger engine whether it is a v8 or v10 is besides the point.
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I am going to try to address everything I see as wrong with this thread. Alrighty, here I go.
1) The mustang is not a muscle car, never has been and never will. The mustang is a pony car, actually it invented the whole pony car class. *Interesting sidenote, see below.
2) V8, V6 or I4 the sound of a vehicles engine all comes down to preference.
3) An engine is essentially a big air pump, meaning more air = more power. There are two ways (excluding additives such as nitrous) to get more air: have a larger volume combustion area (read- bigger engine) or have a higher concentration of air per unit volume (read- more pressure, or "boost"). This means that each engine type has an equalizer, small engines have forced induction while larger engines have displacement. Now I'm sure someone will pipe up with this gem "Following that logic it would be better to have a big engine with boost, so big engine's win." This is partially correct but flawed. Yes in an ideal situation this is true, but one must take into account the predispositions of the engines. Large displacement engines tend to be low-revving, and built with internals built for ambient air pressure whereas small displacement engines are built to be high-revving and stronger internals built for high pressures(boost). The conclusion that can be drawn from all of this is that no engine is truly more disposed to producing power, or has more "potential". The potential of an engine is directly porportional to the amount of money one is willing to put into said engine.
*Originally the Mustang was small, low weight and low power when compared to muscle cars. It derived it's sales from being moderately fast, due to moderate horsepower and low weight, and enjoyable to drive. Sound familiar, because it should be. This description fits most Japanese sports cars, which are smaller, weigh less and have less power when compared to domestics.
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Displacement on demand seems to be a flop.Lots of technology for a few miles to the gallon at best.I'm pretty sure the V8 as we know it will die soon for the most part.They could get a lot better mileage out of one with something as simple as direct injection.But what vehicles really require a V8 nowadays?Trucks?Musclecars,Ponycars?CAFE standards will most likely kill us around the 2010 models.I'm not ready for anything other than a V8 symphony but I am obviously amongst a few.Most cars are wrong wheel drive and don't have the room for a V8 so look to getting acquainted with the sounds of 4 and 6 cylinders or keep your current cars!The dinosaurs never saw it coming,Thank God we do!
No you are not seeing it, but you also were stupid enough to suggest 1 v8 could get 8000hp? Yeah, for a couple seconds and then explode.
one V8 can make 8000 hp. I never said it was meant to last. They last enough to do their job which is 4 seconds down the strip. What top fuel dragster uses a basketball size turbo with a I4? your missing what i'm trying to say too so in a way I guess were both not seeing it one way or another. This is like beating a dead animal with a stick. It is pointless to try and state a point on here because you just get people stating their own and it turns to an argument. And like its been said before... arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. even if you win you are still retarded
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i have mixed views on this, i kind of wouldnt mind because then you could listen to two turbos goin off, but my mustang love just tells me the v8s sound too mean to let go. yeah you can cam and o/r xpipe and headers and all that for the v6 to sound almost like the 8, but its just not quite the same.
If a Mustang is not considered a "new" musclecar, what is? Charger SRT8? Come-on...
I guess it's a personal opinion, as I won't stray from mine, others will not stray from theirs. Fact is the world is going green, but loose the V8? I don't care if an engine makes more power, a v6 still sounds nothing like a V8. And I think, even without mds, they can coax more gas mileage out of the current V8's. Hell, if they find a way to make lighter cars, and keep the same horsepower, you'll end up with more MPG & have better performance. But if we don't have another choice? Damn... guess I'll be stuck driving my 2005 for all eternity then.
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