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The funny thing is that most import cars, are manufactured in the US. Subaru, Honda, Toyota, they all operate plants in the United States.
It’s simple: in order to be “American Made,” a vehicle must be assembled here, with 75 percent of its content sourced from the US. The top selling cars that failed the test, in alphabetical order:
Chevrolet Equinox
Chevrolet HHR
Chevrolet Impala
Chevrolet Tahoe
Chrysler 300
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Dodge Charger
Ford Focus
Ford Fusion
Ford Mustang
... according to the Act, cars must be made of 75 percent US parts, and the Mustang registers at a paltry 65 percent, Canada included. Perhaps we should call it Le Mustang. At least it’s still assembled in Michigan. Consider, though, that if you want to buy a more American car than the Mustang – the Mustang -- try the Camry, the Accord, the Avalon, the Corolla…
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The one with the import name, the one designed outside of american auto manufacturers... The point is it carries an American name and American business revenue.... Besides i can't think of any car or truck I would drive from a foriegn auto company or one that I would call a dream car... FORD GMC DODGE (not to mention all the brands that fall underneath these three)- American car companies- I can not see any reason to pick from anything else...
Call me close minded It's just the way I feel and my opinion...
Reality check-most "american cars designed in america" are even designed by a colaboration of people. Here and in other countries. "American made" is almost an oxymoron nowadays. In fact, using your criteria Acura would be an "American car" because most of the design and building occur here in the good old usa. Oh and not all the revenue from GM,FORD, and CHRYSLER stays here either.
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I don't have any issues with driving imports. Any purchase that I'm going to shell out that much money on had better be available the way I want it and be above average in "fun to drive". Translation: uprated engine with manual tranny and sporty handling.
The domestic mfrs lost me as a customer for over 20 years (and three purchases) when they stopped equipping family cars as described above. I needed the accommodations for the growing family, but they didn't deliver the goods as far as the fun part was concerned. I probably said it then, and in hindsight I can absolutely say that life's too short to be stuck driving something that you have to put up with. For me, anyway.
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The funny thing is that most import cars, are manufactured in the US. Subaru, Honda, Toyota, they all operate plants in the United States.
And all of the profits go back to Asia, where they are invested in Asian infrastructure, support Asian banks, etc....
We are not talking apples to apples here...
And, in a very short time, China will be selling cars in America, and we Americans will be buying them for whatever reason that we can think up to make us feel better after we buy.
Thus more money for China and it's future play at world domination.... We are so stupid..... Makes me have to smile... that is all I can do about it anyway.
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This is a fun debate. I love to talk to chevy guys. They are so proud of the duramax diesel and to be driving an "American" truck with so much power blah blah. When I tell them that the Duramax engine is built in Japan they almost faint......
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This is a fun debate. I love to talk to chevy guys. They are so proud of the duramax diesel and to be driving an "American" truck with so much power blah blah. When I tell them that the Duramax engine is built in Japan they almost faint......
Actually the Duramax Diesel is built in America, I want to say in Indiana.....
It was produced as a "joint venture" between GM and Isuzu. At the time of development, GM owned a 40% interest (which I think = virtual control) in Isuzu which it had to sell off recently due to financial issues.
The Duramax is still a joint venture between GM and Isuzu, with GM holding majority status, and yes, still built in America.
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This is a fun debate. I love to talk to chevy guys. They are so proud of the duramax diesel and to be driving an "American" truck with so much power blah blah. When I tell them that the Duramax engine is built in Japan they almost faint......
Actually the Duramax Diesel is built in America, I want to say in Indiana.....
It was produced as a "joint venture" between GM and Isuzu. At the time of development, GM owned a 40% interest (which I think = virtual control) in Isuzu which it had to sell off recently due to financial issues.
The Duramax is still a joint venture between GM and Isuzu, with GM holding majority status, and yes, still built in America.
51% equals control
40% equals political BS where you have to form aliances with enough other share holders that you can acheive a 51% majority on all votes that go to the share holders.
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Oh and not all the revenue from GM,FORD, and CHRYSLER stays here either.
I would have to say the majority does rather then virtually nothing by buying an import. I am not sure why you say that American Made is a bad thing or oxymoron, I just don't want to support someone elses country or drive their garbage. Sure Outsourcing happens but whos fault is that (unions)... It is still an Amercian company.
The Chevy Duramax is an American vehicle and a fun one to drive at that!
After the last round of car swapping in November, the mustang is the only US branded car I own. When american vehicle compete with the foreign cars, more americans will buy them. Chevy is apparently on the right track with the new malibu according to all the mags, but lets be honest here, aside from the mustang, what ford or dodge car is worth buying? Not any that I am gonna spend my money on.
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This is a fun debate. I love to talk to chevy guys. They are so proud of the duramax diesel and to be driving an "American" truck with so much power blah blah. When I tell them that the Duramax engine is built in Japan they almost faint......
Actually the Duramax Diesel is built in America, I want to say in Indiana.....
It was produced as a "joint venture" between GM and Isuzu. At the time of development, GM owned a 40% interest (which I think = virtual control) in Isuzu which it had to sell off recently due to financial issues.
The Duramax is still a joint venture between GM and Isuzu, with GM holding majority status, and yes, still built in America.
51% equals control
40% equals political BS where you have to form aliances with enough other share holders that you can acheive a 51% majority on all votes that go to the share holders.
Ok Nick, I guess we split hairs here,,, if 40% = the single biggest block of stock then no single entity has 51%, there are several scenarios where 40% can equate to virtual or practical controlling interest.
I guess I could be off base on the control issue, but I am reasonably certain that I have heard information in the past that supports my position. But I ain't gonna look it up...
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When american vehicle compete with the foreign cars, more americans will buy them. Chevy is apparently on the right track with the new malibu according to all the mags, but lets be honest here, aside from the mustang, what ford or dodge car is worth buying?
IDK,,, I have several Ford and GM work trucks, they really don't break much at all, I have not had to replace a "major component" in several years,,,, except for the tranny I destroyed in my sons truck,,, that was my fault though...
Yesterday I was driving home from El Paso, I noticed that American cars from the late 70s and the 80s were fairly common, Asian cars from the same era were non-existant... Not scientific, but it is an interesting game that folks might want try. It may counter some things that are thought of as common knowledge.....
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Like I said, this is a fun debate. Just like the debate of WHICH domestic is best FORD VS. CHEVY VS. DODGE. I guess since this is a mustang forum we all know which is best......
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Like I said, this is a fun debate. Just like the debate of WHICH domestic is best FORD VS. CHEVY VS. DODGE. I guess since this is a mustang forum we all know which is best......
Fun? Yea.... I don't think I am making any friends though! That is ok though, I purposely ignored this thread for two full days while it remained at the top of the screen. Once I opened it I had to post.....
Everyone has an opinion on this issue, I have mine, and I will respect (to one degree or another) but not agree with differing opinions. Sorry...
I see this as a major issue facing our country and I woe the day when all of our new car choices will be import brands.. (remember consumer electronics?) While it is impossible for me to put my money where my mouth is regarding consumer electronics, it is not too late to do so on the issue of cars. I will continue to put my money where my mouth is for as long as I have a viable choice...
If this makes me narrow minded then I guess I will need to learn to live with my bad self......
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Like I said, this is a fun debate. Just like the debate of WHICH domestic is best FORD VS. CHEVY VS. DODGE. I guess since this is a mustang forum we all know which is best......
True Mustang... wait classic mustangs are definitely one of my favorite cars....
JMD, I dont think you are narrow minded, nor do I think you are losing any friends This is one of those debates that will go in circles for ages. I had NO problems with my F150, and I would have bought another if Ford hadnt priced it out of my reach. So I bought a Nissan. It gave me everything I needed, plus left me with and extra $5000. I think most trucks are all pretty much equal. And as far as buying american, I guess I didnt. But, I would rather pay US workers wages (titan is built in Canton, Ohio) and jap corporation, than I would pay US corporations and foreign workers.
Also, I bought my wife and Audi, and the germans dont have sh1t built in america, so I am just a terd for that one
And, in a very short time, China will be selling cars in America, and we Americans will be buying them for whatever reason that we can think up to make us feel better after we buy.
They'll have to do a LOT better with their cars than they do with some of their pressure vessels before I'd even bother to even note their presence in the automotive field. This tank peeled itself open at around half the pressure it was supposed to test to, with metallurgy and fabrication both suspect. Likely wouldn't pass Code anywhere. I'm told that incidents like this are fairly regular occurrences, perhaps weekly.
JMD, I dont think you are narrow minded, nor do I think you are losing any friends This is one of those debates that will go in circles for ages. I had NO problems with my F150, and I would have bought another if Ford hadnt priced it out of my reach. So I bought a Nissan. It gave me everything I needed, plus left me with and extra $5000. I think most trucks are all pretty much equal. And as far as buying american, I guess I didnt. But, I would rather pay US workers wages (titan is built in Canton, Ohio) and jap corporation, than I would pay US corporations and foreign workers.
Also, I bought my wife and Audi, and the germans dont have sh1t built in america, so I am just a terd for that one
Actually I believe that BMW assembles a majority of its vehicles for the US in South Carolina or some place on the east coast, although I could be wrong.
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