My car is garage kept, i bought it mid 06, and it only has 16k miles on it, which makes me more and more discouraged to want to keep it longer every time i look at the condition of the paint...it is more of a charcoal if anything, on every part of the car that is metal. My bumpers look great, my custom hood(fiberglass) matches the bumpers, both have great gloss and depth. WTF is wrong with the rest of the car? It makes me sick to look at all the time i put into this thing to look great and the paint SUCKS.
Anyone know if paint fading is covered under warranty? It's this or i'm getting a new car, this is horse #$*@ i've had a crap honda accord 14 years old with better looking black paint.
< Message edited by Tony65 -- 2/19/2008 6:51:00 PM >
Swing it by the dealer and explain exactly what you just told us and lets see what they say....assuming you have taken care of your paint, it should still look like new...mine does..
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I had a black '82 Mustang GT that I sold 4 years ago. It still had a show-room shine on it when the car collector bought it. I too kept it in the garage and only drove it on sunny days. However, I did keep wax and polish on her.
i gotta be honest...i'm surprised the paint is still on it hahaha, i wax it about twice a month with McGuires Tech wax...stuff is expensive. The gloss is pretty nice i guess, it's just that the paint looks like it's 20yrs old
Unfortunatly, buying a new car doesn't mean it's never been painted. Some cars get damaged on the dealer lot when they unload them etc... Of course dealerships won't tell you when you buy the car.
Most likely, they wet sanded and buffed the car too much so now you don't have a lot of clear left on it to resist to the element. Or they used real cheap materials.
Could be a defect, but you wouldn't be the only one with that problem then either. The warranty should work on this.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Good luck though.
Thanks for the backup on this, I'm going to talk to some dealers and see what they say. pascal - is that a gt500 or did you do the full conversion? Either way, looks great.
Tony65- Post up some pics for all to see what you are talking about. Since all cars are pretty much basecoat/ clearcoat I find it difficult to imagine the paint fading on certain parts, Black as everyone knows is hard to deal with as it is such a dark color and will show any defects in the paint and the application of it. The car may have been repainted (even though it was new) as pascal has mentioned. I have many aftermarket painted parts on the car and they are matched perfectly.....but that is my story I need to know more about yours! SO the car was not always this way from when you bought it new? I cannot see why it would not be covered under warranty. How do you take care of the car?....Could it be flaws in the factory paint that may have been caused by owner error?....I am not accusing you of neglect and you have had other black cars so we need some pics and answers to my questions. Do you clay the car and have you had a pro try to revive the paint with a good wetsand and polish? Did the paint get worse after you washed and waxed the car over the very short time it has been around? Just curious to know more and hope it gets resolved soon and you are happy with your beast once again! Oh and welocme to the fourm! J -S197 section mod
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It's hard to tell, but the top one is my car, the only difference if i try to get more pictures will be rims and several other upgrades, but this is the best i can do for when it was brand new. The second picture is 2 days ago...it is the front of the car looking at the gap between your hood and fender on the passanger side. The hood is my custom hood which at one point was matched PERFECTLY with the rest of the car. The bumpers/side skirts look like the hood, like new. I take very good care of the paint, and the reason i won't bring it to a pro is because if the clearcoat is already screwed up i don't want it any thinner than it probably already is. Plus i can't justify spending money on a possible factory defect if the dealer will fix it. I just want it to match really, i went as far as replacing my hood (which ironically enough is the same as mygt500's) with the stock one...unfortunately the stock hood doesn't match anymore.
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waxing a car 2 times a month? That kinda raises a flag!
Is it being done by hand? Are you just applying wax on top of wax? Or are you claying (or using Dawn) to remove the old wax first? The photo doesn't show anything. Get a decent photo that shows what you are referring to so we can judge better. I just wonder if the repainting of the hood was just done so much better than the Ford paint job...
Thanks for the backup on this, I'm going to talk to some dealers and see what they say. pascal - is that a gt500 or did you do the full conversion? Either way, looks great.
Thanks. I did the conversion on Xmas Eve.
I don't think the dealer will admit of their screw ups when you talk to them. Take the car to a good shop in your area and see what they say. They'll have more of a neutral position and I'm sure they will be of some help. If you decide to repaint, don't use the dealership for that. They rarely do a good job (few exceptions).
It's really difficult to get a good picture of what i'm talking about since you sorta need direct sunlight, which the camera seems to block. As for putting wax on top of wax ... guilty, but i really couldn't see that fading anything, i do use dawn usually at the beginning of the year (mid spring for me). IF i am going to do any repainting it is going to be on either fiberglass or carbon fiber fenders/trunk/doors...the synthetic mats just look so much better, or go to the place i got my hood done, they specialize in fiberglass for vettes and such, but they did to a pretty damn nice job.
went to the dealer after work, i talked to the body shop guy who looked at me, sucked his teeth and told me "whelp i don't see anything wrong but i'm partially color heh" *sigh* black is a shade numn nutz, i'm going to try a different dealer.
ok so as of 8:00pm cst i am starting to doubt my sanity. Maybe it's because it's mine and i am WAY too picky, but apparently my friends think i'm nuts, they can't tell a color difference at all. I know i see something, i just have this feeling i'm going to end up spending a lot of money and not being happy with the end result anyway. Anyone know of some methods to help darken a black car up?
< Message edited by Tony65 -- 2/20/2008 6:16:22 PM >
It sounds rather on the pricey side, I know, but trust me - This worked WONDERS for me.
I have a Black 06 'vert. It sat on the dealers lot, no ****, until March of '07 when I bought it. It has a December '05 build date. You do the math.
In any event, of course the dealer didn't bother to take care of the paint. It sat outside for two winters, on the dealer's lot. When I finally took her home, she went straight into the garage and sat until spring (bought it in the middle of a snowstorm for the amazing discount - "What? You want to buy a 300HP RWD convertible? There's 9 inches of snow on the ground! - how does $3300 below invoice sound?" "SOLD!"). When she finally came out, the WHOLE CAR was dull and rather lackluster. I tried EVERYTHING. NXT TechWax? Expensive, yes. But CRAPOLA. At least for a black car.
What finally worked? BlackFire. Here were all the steps I had to go through. It cost several hundred $$, and it also took several days, but it was SO worth it. I've gotten so many compliments now it's amazing.
Wash with Dawn. Clay. Wash with regular car wash soap. BlackFire Polish. BlackFire ClearCoat Sealant (paint protectant). Wait 8 hours. Remove Sealant. BlackFire Ivory Carnauba Wax x 2, 8 hours in between.
I also got the big blue drying towel (actually, three of them), a California Jelly Blade, a California duster, a wash bucket with grit trap, their wheel/tire cleaner, and a bunch of other stuff. My favorite is the aerosol Ivory Carnauba Cleaner Wax (detail spray).
That doesn't sound half bad, i might have to try it. What do you think longevity on something like that is?
As you read this i'll be outside in 8 degree weather because my garage isn't heated, taking hundreds of pictures in hopes to get everyone to see what i see ... it's just rough with lighting and when you think you have it right..the camera flash screws it up, but no flash=junk pic usually. We'll see.
By the way that chin spoiler looks great. Any problems with curbs or does it not lower ground clearance?
Sorry about the dust, i was freezing my butt off, i cleaned it off for a couple of them. I have TONS more if anyone wants to see them, not exactly artistic but i'm in a garage
Couldn't get a real good one of the spoiler, but you can tell it's darker than the rest.
That doesn't sound half bad, i might have to try it. What do you think longevity on something like that is?
As you read this i'll be outside in 8 degree weather because my garage isn't heated, taking hundreds of pictures in hopes to get everyone to see what i see ... it's just rough with lighting and when you think you have it right..the camera flash screws it up, but no flash=junk pic usually. We'll see.
By the way that chin spoiler looks great. Any problems with curbs or does it not lower ground clearance?
It's not TOO bad, but like I said, it's extremely time consuming. Application and removal are a breeze, but all the waiting in between is a real bitch. Trust me, you have to do it though, it's totally worth it. And claying it, especially if you've never done it, is also a bitch.
One other thing you need to be warned about - the wax is carnauba. It's 100% natural. It provides, bar none, the BEST shine you can get on a car. All the other guys who yell about Zymol and everything else, they have never tried a REAL carnauba, I would almost guarantee it. They all say "Zymol is expensive, but it works great!" Zymol is like $20 or $30. BlackFire Ivory Carnauba, if you buy JUST the wax, is $70 plus shipping. Now, for the warning - since it is a 100% natural wax, it has a very low melting point. This isn't REALLY an issue (the wax won't literally melt and run off your car - LOL), BUT - you need to be aware that more frequent applications are required in order to maintain the same level of protection. AND - it is SAFE to layer, it won't haze. I have heard of people doing 10 and 12 applications of it in order to prepare a car for a show.
With that said, I plan to go through the exact same process when I take the car out this spring, starting with the Dawn to strip the old wax. The first application I do two coats of carnauba, then for the rest of the season it's wax only, and it's every other week. Another VERY important point - Carnauba may not be for you if the car is not garage kept. Sitting outside in the sun is VERY bad for carnauba, and will greatly shorten it's useful life.
Also, being that carnauba is a natural wax, you'll want to do this out of direct sunlight (in the garage is best), and don't do it in weather colder than maybe ~55 or 60*.
As for the chin spoiler - it's a Cervini's Type II. The car is not currently lowered, but it did lower the front end clearance a bit. Nothing bad, I've never curbed it, even when I first put it on and accidentally pulled up too far on parking stumps.
I do kinda see what you mean about the paint, but with the current "not clean" condition of the car, and the distraction from the flash, it's difficult to tell if it's a real problem or if it's simply a camera artifact. If you say it's real, I won't doubt you, I definitely see something. I just don't know what it is I'm seeing. It's especially evident in the shot with the spoiler.
It sounds rather on the pricey side, I know, but trust me - This worked WONDERS for me.
I have a Black 06 'vert. It sat on the dealers lot, no ****, until March of '07 when I bought it. It has a December '05 build date. You do the math.
In any event, of course the dealer didn't bother to take care of the paint. It sat outside for two winters, on the dealer's lot. When I finally took her home, she went straight into the garage and sat until spring (bought it in the middle of a snowstorm for the amazing discount - "What? You want to buy a 300HP RWD convertible? There's 9 inches of snow on the ground! - how does $3300 below invoice sound?" "SOLD!"). When she finally came out, the WHOLE CAR was dull and rather lackluster. I tried EVERYTHING. NXT TechWax? Expensive, yes. But CRAPOLA. At least for a black car.
What finally worked? BlackFire. Here were all the steps I had to go through. It cost several hundred $$, and it also took several days, but it was SO worth it. I've gotten so many compliments now it's amazing.
Wash with Dawn. Clay. Wash with regular car wash soap. BlackFire Polish. BlackFire ClearCoat Sealant (paint protectant). Wait 8 hours. Remove Sealant. BlackFire Ivory Carnauba Wax x 2, 8 hours in between.
I also got the big blue drying towel (actually, three of them), a California Jelly Blade, a California duster, a wash bucket with grit trap, their wheel/tire cleaner, and a bunch of other stuff. My favorite is the aerosol Ivory Carnauba Cleaner Wax (detail spray).
Sounds like good stuff. I use Mothers Caranuba Wax and what is a good duster for the car since I heard the dust stays in the brush and spreads and then scratches the car. Plus I want a good spray wax to put on the car roughly every week in between waxing every month to make the black always shine.
Any recommendations what to get exactly (towel drying, type of wax, etc...)
Thanks for all the info. That's not too bad price wise, considering how much it costs to get full paint jobs. I was reading up on that Blackfire site, it seems to be big into the gloss more than anything. In your experience using this stuff, did it deepen the color itself?
JJ, for dusting, i have the california duster. I think it's GREAT, the first ~3 times you use it the parraffin wax smears a little and makes you want to throw it across the yard, but after that it's awesome. Tech Wax by Mcguire's works great for a weekly thing for me, before that it was the Gold. Scratch X by McGuires is great for killing the swirls you definately have seen from even trying to dry. For drying, there is this great rubber thing i got at Target that kind of works off the same principle as a squeegee for your windows. Then follow it up with a Microfiber cloth. There are very smooth microfiber cloths and ones that pretty much look like towels, i use the towel to finish off the drying, and the smaller more fine one to polish off wax. There is this stuff called ICE that is a finishing/detailing wax that i go through like water, it's good for taking off water stains and adds a great shine you can pretty much re-apply daily.
Did i miss anything?
By the way i was looking over that forum about you wanting to make K.I.T.T. if you want an awesome version of the hood from a place with great customer service, use Mrbodykit.com, i believe he has the rims you are looking for as well, and maybe even the spoiler. The prices are nice and i received the hood with a solid gel-coating. Usually you can get the front fascia off E-bay from either a reck or take-off, the stuff fits exact on GT's from what i hear. I'd say total job w/painting probably going to run you around 5-6k. It's doable, that's for sure.
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JJ, for dusting, i have the california duster. I think it's GREAT, the first ~3 times you use it the parraffin wax smears a little and makes you want to throw it across the yard, but after that it's awesome. Tech Wax by Mcguire's works great for a weekly thing for me, before that it was the Gold. Scratch X by McGuires is great for killing the swirls you definately have seen from even trying to dry. For drying, there is this great rubber thing i got at Target that kind of works off the same principle as a squeegee for your windows. Then follow it up with a Microfiber cloth. There are very smooth microfiber cloths and ones that pretty much look like towels, i use the towel to finish off the drying, and the smaller more fine one to polish off wax. There is this stuff called ICE that is a finishing/detailing wax that i go through like water, it's good for taking off water stains and adds a great shine you can pretty much re-apply daily.
Did i miss anything?
Yea I have that Ice stuff. For the drying I also have a type of squeeque thing too.
Thanks for all the info. That's not too bad price wise, considering how much it costs to get full paint jobs. I was reading up on that Blackfire site, it seems to be big into the gloss more than anything. In your experience using this stuff, did it deepen the color itself?
If you go back to my pics, pay careful attention to the one where I'm holding the polish and you can see me and the camera. That wasnt a mirror, that was my drivers side door. The pic was taken with a crappy cell phone camera. You be the judge. And, that was before wax (if memory serves - hence I'm holding the polish - or maybe the sealer, I forget - either way, no wax yet). Also, check out the before and after shots of the red viper on that site, you tell me what you think it did for the paint there. Either way, my money is on environmental factors on this one. I can't imagine an entire car having paint issues.. One panel? Sure. It happens.. Two? Maybe. Everything? Unlikely. I'd seriously try this first.
I'll take some better pics with my dSLR once she comes back from the body shop (in a couple weeks). I'm having a bunch of stuff done, so I'll be only too happy to show it off. :-)
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, but i really couldn't see that fading anything, i do use dawn usually at the beginning of the year (mid spring for me). IF i am going to do any repainting it is going to be on either fiberglass or carbon fiber fenders/trunk/doors...the synthetic mats just look so much better, or go to the place i got my hood done, they specialize in fiberglass for vettes and such, but they did to a pretty damn nice job. 
