RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06)
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:35:41 PM
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USMCrebel
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doodad, i'll try to setup a race like this i will vid. i will paper race too, b/c physics and **** are in play in real life as well.
if i am proved wrong i will do something, i dont know what yet, to apologise for my ignorance.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:46:55 PM
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I look at it this way....It seems a Cobra needs about 60rwhp more to run with a Vette from a dig up to the 1/4.... at that point speeds are about 115mph.....Now when speeds get up to 140mph as this race did, the Cobra would need more horspower on top of the 60whp that I mentioned to overcome the drag.......wind resistance at 115mph is ALOT less than at 135-140mph....On the other hand, maybe the Cobra was at a "sweeter" spot in the power band when the roll race commenced and held him off until 140...The OP did say he was starting to creep up before shutdown...
I think thats why there are doubters.....I'm going along with it because I know this guy on here for a while and I doubt he would wait until now to post a bogus story.....If he did then shame on him....lol...
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:47:06 PM
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fazm
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as the previous owner of this car, i can attest that its pretty quick, even for a stock (i only had the cai on it when i sold it) cobra.
i never had it anywhere near 140, but i did hit 120 in it once, and it sure as hell didnt feel like it wanted to back down.
with that said, its a pretty even race, it could go either way
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:47:54 PM
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E, don't waste your E-Breath man. They like to paper race. Your cobra scared the crap out of me, each time you would put 30+ car lengths on me in my Charged GT. Trust me everyone, top end is sick in cobras. Sure, they suffer from heatsoak from the Eaton, but get way up in the high MPH.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:55:35 PM
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heat soak is a diffrent issue, i dont know anything about it, but the MM doing the supercharger myths are saying the eatons dont suffer from it. LOL i've seen a turbo suffre from it for sure though (nice little cherry red).
like i said if i can get a race setup ill video tape, and if im wrong i will.......i dunno help me out.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:56:30 PM
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E, don't waste your E-Breath man. They like to paper race. Your cobra scared the crap out of me, each time you would put 30+ car lengths on me in my Charged GT. Trust me everyone, top end is sick in cobras. Sure, they suffer from heatsoak from the Eaton, but get way up in the high MPH.
I am just trying to say, I don't see a big deal when a cai + catback cobra stays with a stock C6 up to 140mph. after that, i don't expect cobra to pull hard at all since cobra has to shift to 5th gear which is a cruise gear so it doesn't make the car pull hard. anyway, it is all fun.. I can't wait till track opens so i can test my buddy's home ported cobra and see if i can squeeze 10s out of it I am very excited to have an oppurtunity to drive a fast cobra at track again!!!!
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 1:57:51 PM
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I know it is very possible. I was able to hold off a C6 Vette with exhaust, up to 100, and I was still slowly pulling. Obviously, I have over 80 RWHP more. So, I can do it, a Cobra with intake and exhaust can def. do it.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 2:01:13 PM
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you guys do all the bench, paper racing you want, I have experienced some real things on the street showed otherwise. my cobra made 455whp and raced against a cammed 99 c5 vette which made 390-400rwhp ???tq and has great aero if you ask me and i raced against this dude maybe 4-5 times. untill i ran out of 4th gear i watched him on my rear view mirror he wasn't gaining on me, I held him there and very slightly still pulling. I don't have a video but i can bring the owner here to back me up. and i raced a 04 z06 (stock) and i had still the same power 455rwhp and up top 140mph, this guy wasn't even gaining untill i let go. yes, vette has better aero and nobody can denie that but go out and actually race one and you will see it is not like HOLY #$%^ like you guys think. thats what i think... a lot of people underestimate cobra's top ends but they have no clue how big of an animal cobras up top!
and i read something about c6 z06 vs pullied cobras here. Yes they sure can take down a pullied cobra an di have never raced against one but i caught a z06 lined up around 40mph against a pullied GT500 at our get togethers and i was right behind them and i was waiting for them to punch and as soon as they did and i did as well and they were pullig away slowly and i believe by he time i hit 140mlh Z06 was probably 4 cars ahead and GT500 maybe 3,5-4 cars. I was happy.
You got a bone stock S197 to a 13.4, you got low 11's in your pullied,cai, DR'ed Cobra...You are an exceptional driver....Perhaps these drivers were not up to par with you? Not that it makes a difference, I mean you have to run against whoever comes your way................I was at Sactown raceway last year and both Terminaters there struggled to get into the 12's (one of them ran a 12.9 after five passes) , but on the other hand on forums they run mid 12's? So do I say with confidence that a 12.9 is the most a Termie can achieve because I witnessed it..............No, because I won't be quick to judge because the driver means everything and you (which I believe to be honest) have mentioned you got a stocker to run 12.7.
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 2:01:35 PM
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fazm
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fazm why'd you sell your cobra?? the "driver mod" plays a HUGE part in it to. Like the OP posted, the c6 driver had dealer plates on and probably hadn't even run it like that yet. On the other hand i believe ASUSMC has had some pretty fast cars and done his share of races, giving him the "driver mod"
it was the slower of my 2 cars lol.
no real reason is it was paid off, the v6 was not, and since i wanted the money, made more sense to sell it than the v6
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. 07 C6 (non Z06) - 2/13/2008 2:11:03 PM
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you guys do all the bench, paper racing you want, I have experienced some real things on the street showed otherwise. my cobra made 455whp and raced against a cammed 99 c5 vette which made 390-400rwhp ???tq and has great aero if you ask me and i raced against this dude maybe 4-5 times. untill i ran out of 4th gear i watched him on my rear view mirror he wasn't gaining on me, I held him there and very slightly still pulling. I don't have a video but i can bring the owner here to back me up. and i raced a 04 z06 (stock) and i had still the same power 455rwhp and up top 140mph, this guy wasn't even gaining untill i let go. yes, vette has better aero and nobody can denie that but go out and actually race one and you will see it is not like HOLY #$%^ like you guys think. thats what i think... a lot of people underestimate cobra's top ends but they have no clue how big of an animal cobras up top!
and i read something about c6 z06 vs pullied cobras here. Yes they sure can take down a pullied cobra an di have never raced against one but i caught a z06 lined up around 40mph against a pullied GT500 at our get togethers and i was right behind them and i was waiting for them to punch and as soon as they did and i did as well and they were pullig away slowly and i believe by he time i hit 140mlh Z06 was probably 4 cars ahead and GT500 maybe 3,5-4 cars. I was happy.
You got a bone stock S197 to a 13.4, you got low 11's in your pullied,cai, DR'ed Cobra...You are an exceptional driver....Perhaps these drivers were not up to par with you? Not that it makes a difference, I mean you have to run against whoever comes your way................I was at Sactown raceway last year and both Terminaters there struggled to get into the 12's (one of them ran a 12.9 after five passes) , but on the other hand on forums they run mid 12's? So do I say with confidence that a 12.9 is the most a Termie can achieve because I witnessed it..............No, because I won't be quick to judge because the driver means everything and you (which I believe to be honest) have mentioned you got a stocker to run 12.7.
true that and i was talking about cars. some people just can't drive, sucnh as our famous 640rwhp 12 sec cobra owner here.
and yeah i got 12.70 bone stock and backed it up with a 12.72 time slips and that was with 2 weeks of ownership. I wanted to head to track when i turned thatt hing back to stock but tracks were closed, i swear (believe it or not) you can see 12.5 out of a bone stock cobra. they are beats 
here are my stock time slips:
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