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good run. Although if your even at the end there is no kill. I believe the op just as I believe the higher the speed the more the vette would have edged you out.
Funny how the vette honors post their congrats while the people who doubt him choose to spell the word "you" with u and have the vocabulary of a 3rd grader...
I can see this race going either way, esp. w/ the new vette driver(new tags). I know the OP has been here awhile and I dont see why he would lie. I believe him but, that is no kill. I will say good run.
Oh and USMCRebel- the OP used to have a blown GT. That is why he mentioned the GT. He now has a Lightning and a Termie.
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I can see this race going either way, esp. w/ the new vette driver(new tags). I know the OP has been here awhile and I dont see why he would lie. I believe him but, that is no kill. I will say good run.
Oh and USMCRebel- the OP used to have a blown GT. That is why he mentioned the GT. He now has a Lightning and a Termie.
so it wasnt a GT? i was calling BS on that when i read it. i still dont think a heavier car (400lbs) with a higher Cd can keep up with a car with better aero, or even equal areo. i need a video of a 390whp cobra running a C6 vert with top down. that is the only way i will believe this, and yes i looked youtube, streetfire, and yahoo videos to try and find one and couldnt do it.
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Funny how the vette honors post their congrats while the people who doubt him choose to spell the word "you" with u and have the vocabulary of a 3rd grader...
Coming from someone who spells the word 'owners' as 'honors'..........
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Agreed. Anything can happen on the street. The cars are very close. One with the weight advantage, one with the power advantage. No need to bust the guys chops over something so close.
Right, and if we are going to "flame" somebody, let it be the Vette driver. lol.
Everyone knows Doodad, and for those of you people that do not come on to this site enough, he had one fast 03 Cobra. His stock Dyno was over 380 RWHP. Now, an 07 C6 not including the driver weigh in at 3300 lbs. So, approx 400 lbs weight difference. LS2 C6's dyno around 350 RWHP. So, a 50 RWHP difference, will not keep the guy neck and neck with one? What is everyone smoking. How many people have been in a Cobra? I have. When doodad had a stock Cobra, his 3rd gear pulls harder then all hell. Not to mention, they have great top end pulling capability. Hell, top speed for a bone stock cobra is 170+. Now, if the OP said, he killed a C6 Vert up past 140+, that would be a little hard to believe. He stated that he stayed dead even with one. I believe the OP 100%.
PS~ now go and get a 2.6" pulley, a custom tune, intake, and exhaust w/midpipe,and you will see low 11's and trap 123-125. Then you can kill bolt-on C6's.
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I don't see what is the big deal here. IMO, a cai & catback cobra should be able to keep up with stock c6. Weight doesn't effect the roll races unless it is a big difference!
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I don't see what is the big deal here. IMO, a cai & catback cobra should be able to keep up with stock c6. Weight doesn't effect the roll races unless it is a big difference!
its a 390whp cobra only giving the cobra a 30-40hp advantage. , but i do want to know where you get that weight doesn't effect the race it has a lot to do with it, but the aero at those speeds have more to do with it. 400lbs is a pretty big difference. I'm only saying that at those speeds even with the vettes top down he should still be 1-1.25 cars back. So thinking about it if the vette couldnt drive i guess i can see it being even, but i still need a video, maybe i can get some guys around here to run this.
i think im gonna have to call up some physics and aerospace friends to run the numbers, i was gonna try, but i dont understand all the equations
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its a 390whp cobra only giving the cobra a 30-40hp advantage. , but i do want to know where you get that weight doesn't effect the race it has a lot to do with it, but the aero at those speeds have more to do with it. 400lbs is a pretty big difference. I'm only saying that at those speeds even with the vettes top down he should still be 1-1.25 cars back. So thinking about it if the vette couldnt drive i guess i can see it being even, but i still need a video, maybe i can get some guys around here to run this.
i think im gonna have to call up some physics and aerospace friends to run the numbers, i was gonna try, but i dont understand all the equations
I didn't say weight doesn't effect races, please don't change it. I said weight do not effect roll races unless it is a big difference. I have raced a car with 200+lbs passenger and won by 3 cars and passenger got in the other car and won by 3 cars again. I have raced a top down terminator which made 5 more hp and the same amount of torque and i barely put 1 car length due to his slow shifting. and tat terminator weighted 300lbs heavier than my terminator. here is a video of it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYn56AZ8Yls
anyway, check stock vette times and compare to stock terminator times and then add cai adn catback to cobra which gives another 20-30rwhp and re calculate. to me, it sounds fine, I don't see why not a cai & catback terminator keep up with a stock C6. a terminator with cai & catback is capable of running mid - low 12s with a decent driver and trap 115mph and I see stock C6s are running what? mid-high 12s and trapping 112-115mph? sounds pretty close with a terminator having the edge to me. I do understand aero plays a good trole at higher speeds but not as much as you think. you guys sound like vette's aeo advantage automaticly will blow a terminator away, well it helps but not that crazy!
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I agree. I was there when Doodad raced that Cobra. They were almost dead even, with Doodad pulling away slowly. ( I think that was the race at least) the silver one that tried you on 355 that night? Again, 3rd gear in a cobra is amazing. They are pretty aero. Plus, doesn't the cobras suspension help in a roll race a bit?
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I don't see what is the big deal here. IMO, a cai & catback cobra should be able to keep up with stock c6. Weight doesn't effect the roll racesunless it is a big difference!
that says doesnt, and again 400lbs is a big diffrence. well, i will have all the forumlas for the aero vs spped, and weight figured out in a couple days for this. and ill scan/ post them. again like i said, i dont think he stayed even, instead i think he was 1-1.5 cars back. the cobra is more like this | and on the vette is looks like this /..... surface area and the Cd will play a much bigger role on a 60-140 than a 0-xxx race. once again im not argueing about the 3rd gear, i know it pull like a mother ****er i've driven one more than a few times, but the vette pulls best from 40-160. dont the vettes have an IRS too?
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you guys do all the bench, paper racing you want, I have experienced some real things on the street showed otherwise. my cobra made 455whp and raced against a cammed 99 c5 vette which made 390-400rwhp ???tq and has great aero if you ask me and i raced against this dude maybe 4-5 times. untill i ran out of 4th gear i watched him on my rear view mirror he wasn't gaining on me, I held him there and very slightly still pulling. I don't have a video but i can bring the owner here to back me up. and i raced a 04 z06 (stock) and i had still the same power 455rwhp and up top 140mph, this guy wasn't even gaining untill i let go. yes, vette has better aero and nobody can denie that but go out and actually race one and you will see it is not like HOLY #$%^ like you guys think. thats what i think... a lot of people underestimate cobra's top ends but they have no clue how big of an animal cobras up top!
and i read something about c6 z06 vs pullied cobras here. Yes they sure can take down a pullied cobra an di have never raced against one but i caught a z06 lined up around 40mph against a pullied GT500 at our get togethers and i was right behind them and i was waiting for them to punch and as soon as they did and i did as well and they were pullig away slowly and i believe by he time i hit 140mlh Z06 was probably 4 cars ahead and GT500 maybe 3,5-4 cars. I was happy.
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