Hope this isnt a repost:

This was posted on an M5 board before the accident:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111454


This was the aftermath:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111545

Dumb rich ****s

I don't even know what to say to that!! He was just a kid!!! I am overseas serving in the SANDBOX and I have seen some craziness but always upsets me to see a pointless tragic loss. I have prayed so many times but its all I have. We may have fast cars but we need to realize that we are not invincible.

lol

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lol





u suck at life, if i were u id just end it and try to start over [>:]


all I can say about that story is damn[&o]

Darwin award nominees?

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lol





u suck at life, if i were u id just end it and try to start over [>:]


all I can say about that story is damn[&o]


again

lol

and no, you suck at life

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f99/fargen_noogen/PB110409.jpg

i read the first page of each of those threads...how are they related?

this was posted in the S/S section....but damn******** maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

5 Killed Speeding on Private Runway
Car Went Airborne Off End of Runway Before Hitting Tree

By CHRISTINE BROUWER
Jan. 28, 2008

The 18-year-old behind the wheel of a BMW that crashed this weekend, killing five Florida teens was reportedly online hours earlier seeking advice on a BMW chat room on problems he was having with the transmission when he hit 140 mph in the $80,000 car.

The grisly accident took place around 3:45 a.m. Saturday at the Jumbolair Aviation Estates, an exclusive gated enclave for private jet owners in Ocala, Fla., where actor John Travolta is a resident.

Residents also complained to police about the lack of security at the airstrip, saying teens had been caught sneaking cars onto the runway.

Authorities say Joshua Ammirato, 18, of Fairfield, Fla., snuck his his father's gray 2008 BMW M-5 onto the main runway, with four friends onboard. Police say after racing down the strip, the car flew off an approximately 85-foot-high embankment at the end of the runway. They say the car was going so fast it went airborne for about 200 feet before slamming into a tree.

The car was split in two upon impact, according to the Florida Highway Patrol, ejecting three passengers and partially ejecting the other two.

All five victims were pronounced dead at the scene.

Ammirato likely "braked and turned," said the patrol's Lt. Mike Burroughs, after he either "saw a hazard coming or realized that he was nearing the end of the runway," flipping the car sideways before sending it over the edge.

Burroughs told ABC News he could not speculate on the exact speed of the car at the time of the accident.

All five victims had recently graduated from high schools in the area. James Devon Hime and Dustin Dawe, both 19, had been co-captains of the wrestling team at North Marion High, Kathy Quelland, the school's principal, told ABC News. Ammirato had also been on the wrestling team; 20-year-old Isaac Rubin played football at a nearby high school.

Quelland said the community was "devastated" upon hearing of the accident.

None of the victims was a resident of the exclusive community.

Authorities said it appears Ammirato and his friends entered the compound through a back entrance that gives access to the 1.5-mile-long runway used by residents to land their private planes, according to Burroughs.

what a shame[>:]

That's what happens when you are a moron.

Sucks, but can't say they didn't have it coming.

a shame? its 5 less retards breathing our air.

that happened right by me btw, my wife is a CNA and on of her nurses also works at the hospital in ocala. she told her some of the kids were basically cut in half.

that site just clamped down its registration, i was able to read like half the thread and then it sh*tcanned me. WTF?

the cocky ass o/p in the first thread is the one that killed himself

edit: wow, my connection = FAIL!! [:@]

a news site did an artist rendering of what happened.... and I actually laughed my ass off at it, it looks like it's a joke but somehow they are trying to make it serious

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/bharsen/crash_site.jpg

This is why i used to hate the kids at my old high school who didnt appreciate the expensive cars they were given. they dont respect the car and realize its power.
Also they're ****ing retared.
RIP even tho they brought it upon themselves. It's sad. :(

that pic isnt right though...supposedly the kid slammed the brakes and turned the wheel and managed to flip the car on its side and when it went air born it was on its side still

Is anybody surprised by this? You spoil the hell out of your kids with high end cars that they have absolutely no respect for because its "just money", of course they are going to do **** like this! I don't feel sorry for the parents at all, they brought it upon themselves. I feel sorry for the kid because all he knew was a life of extravagance where everything came easily, he could never have any sort of respect for things.

How many of you guys bought your own first car? How many of you guys had friends who's parents bought them really nice ones? Guess which category of kids wrecked their cars 90% of the time????

I know a kid just like this. His first car was a volvo s60 type R that he totaled. His parents decided to get him a 335i coupe next. This kid has no respect for anything.

Jim

^ it was his dads car and him and his buddys took it for a test drive....learn to read, it wasnt the parents fault unless by your logic people who have kids should drive **** cans until their kids are out of the house

lol

"John Travoltas Home"

if I was a news reporter this is how the story would go down

(the story) with a follow up of "and nothing of value was lost or destroyed in the crash.... except for the BMW"

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if I was a news reporter this is how the story would go down

(the story) with a follow up of "and nothing of value was lost or destroyed in the crash.... except for the BMW"


all I thought was RIP M5, youll always be a babe in my mind

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and no, you suck at life

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f99/fargen_noogen/PB110409.jpg



:eek: because im the only person to have ever lost control on ice. the only person to flame me in that thread was a 16 year old with no car.
ur about as stupid as u are worthless. there is nothing funny about this story..... except the john travolta thing..... that is kinda funny [8D]

I wonder if any of the other four were telling him to stop sooner and he wouldn't. It would make the retard/innocent ratio a little different......

nothing funny?

Some rich kid was asking why his dads M5 was shifting hard with all the settings cranked up, later on he goes to an airstrip with 4 friends, meaning a fully loaded car, then flys off the end

It is funny, funny how people can be so stupid

And I read your story on how you lost control, yeah... blame it on the weather, you were doing 55 trying to merge in front of a transport, doesnt sound too smart to me with all seasons in the winter

in those posts in that forum he was saying it was his car. typical puss ass kid trying to be a cool guy. and anyways, what kinda retard goes for some high speed dash like that and doesnt check out the area he's going to do it in? i mean, wouldn't it be a good idea to see what the hell you are driving into?

:eek:

we should go to his funeral and spit on his casket[&:]douchebag!!! him and his friends. his parents too for having the keys so accesible to his son. you guys are ****in morons for flaming the kid and the people that were in his car. how many times have you guys been in a vehicle with someone like that and they don't stop. let me guess none of you huh. I know I not afraid of those speeds if I am in control I'm sure it was the same for his buddys that were in the car. I'm pretty sure someone told him to chill the fuq out

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we should go to his funeral and spit on his casket[&:]douchebag!!! him and his friends. his parents too for having the keys so accesible to his son. you guys are ****in morons for flaming the kid and the people that were in his car. how many times have you guys been in a vehicle with someone like that and they don't stop. let me guess none of you huh. I know I not afraid of those speeds if I am in control I'm sure it was the same for his buddys that were in the car. I'm pretty sure someone told him to chill the fuq out


yes, poor innocent 19 y/o, just going for a nice innocent joy ride with his friends, poor poor kid, who would of thought that going 140mph not knowing what is coming up in front of you is a bad idea

so I feel so sorry for him, and his friends who im sure are also completely innocent in the whole deal

55 on the freeway (10 under)in early november, slow accel for the next 1/2 mile till the lane ends:eek:good lord how could i have made that mistake? it was a clover with ice around the bend, I think i posted that the cop almost bit it too when responding to the call.
even acer came on to say he had trouble on the same highway in his suv.

Hell, im not even the only one around here with a buried mustang, but hey the fact that u laugh at dead kids tells me ur probably a poor sad little man who needs this boost to precipitate out a little self confidence so sure im a "bad driver" which somehow we make another logical left turn and equate that to "life" :eek: when my original comment was related directly to you laughing at 5 families losing their kids.

thats what this is about. too much hypocracy around here.almost everyone on these boards has street racing threads, or high speed threads, but as soon as someone messes up theres this "i didnt so im better" attitude and theUnfortunate get flamed, when in reality sh*t happens. so if u havent had enough time under ur belt to figure that out u will. these kids died just running their cars, doing things that alot of us do on a regular basis.

if u looked around there is another thread where several people from that m5 board that organized a run on that half mile air strip. but of course we all know how unsafe perfectly flat half mile strips are especially when there is only 1 car driving down it.

people just don't understand how fast cars can go and how easy it is to lose control. I'm just glad I didn't die the one time I wanted to see what my car would really do on the open road.

and what is the deal with John Travolta's house??? how is that information important here?

you guys should know that the car was his, several news broadcasts say it was his but it's in his fathers name... he also owned a 2008 535i and another 2008 letterbox bimmer.. all payed for by his parents... he lives in a housing unit with it's own airstrip, is it that hard to figure out :eek:

with that being said I work hard for what I own.... and if his parents want to buy him a 100K+ car fine... not his fault, but to take a car that was given to you and not respect it for what it is and be a dumbass little teenager... he got what he deserved, it's a sad occurance don't get me wrong, but sad for the fact todays youth is nothing but a bunch of pansies that get served on a silver platter and then expect more

I guess you guys also missed the news about how he's had 2-3 tickets within 6 months that year :eek:


just because you have a soft spot for people that had life by the balls and decided to piss it all away with major stupiditydoesn't mean everyone else is entitled to that opinion

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55 on the freeway (10 under)in early november, slow accel for the next 1/2 mile till the lane ends:eek:good lord how could i have made that mistake? it was a clover with ice around the bend, I think i posted that the cop almost bit it too when responding to the call.
even acer came on to say he had trouble on the same highway in his suv.

Hell, im not even the only one around here with a buried mustang, but hey the fact that u laugh at dead kids tells me ur probably a poor sad little man who needs this boost to precipitate out a little self confidence so sure im a "bad driver" which somehow we make another logical left turn and equate that to "life" :eek: when my original comment was related directly to you laughing at 5 families losing their kids.

thats what this is about. too much hypocracy around here.almost everyone on these boards has street racing threads, or high speed threads, but as soon as someone messes up theres this "i didnt so im better" attitude and theUnfortunate get flamed, when in reality sh*t happens. so if u havent had enough time under ur belt to figure that out u will. these kids died just running their cars, doing things that alot of us do on a regular basis.

if u looked around there is another thread where several people from that m5 board that organized a run on that half mile air strip. but of course we all know how unsafe perfectly flat half mile strips are especially when there is only 1 car driving down it.




well ever think 10 under isnt enough, Mustang, all seasons, winter

does anyone else get this message when they try to go to the forums?

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yeah, it wasnt like that before. i was mid-way thru reading it and it got clamped down. probably linked to forums all over and they started getting heavy traffic.

skar your a queer, dont you have a working account there?

u ever hear that hindsight is 20/20? thanks for all ur retrospective advice, but the point is u dont know all the facts, hell, i dont. thats why its an accident. I do know that other locals chimed into the thread claiming that the weather caught everyone by surprise, thats why they call it iowa weather ;). maybe its fords fault for not equipping my car with a thermometer so I could have known the overcast 40 degree day had dropped 10 degrees. aside from that, i dont really need a guy with a 2.3 criticizing my ability to handle a car on ice. ;)

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you guys should know that the car was his, several news broadcasts say it was his but it's in his fathers name... he also owned a 2008 535i and another 2008 letterbox bimmer.. all payed for by his parents... he lives in a housing unit with it's own airstrip, is it that hard to figure out :eek:

with that being said I work hard for what I own.... and if his parents want to buy him a 100K+ car fine... not his fault, but to take a car that was given to you and not respect it for what it is and be a dumbass little teenager... he got what he deserved, it's a sad occurance don't get me wrong, but sad for the fact todays youth is nothing but a bunch of pansies that get served on a silver platter and then expect more

I guess you guys also missed the news about how he's had 2-3 tickets within 6 months that year :eek:


just because you have a soft spot for people that had life by the balls and decided to piss it all away with major stupiditydoesn't mean everyone else is entitled to that opinion
Like red said how many times have we done this ourselfs. I know I did it when I got my GT. The kid just wasnt as lucky as we were.

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u ever hear that hindsight is 20/20? thanks for all ur retrospective advice, but the point is u dont know all the facts, hell, i dont. thats why its an accident. I do know that other locals chimed into the thread claiming that the weather caught everyone by surprise, thats why they call it iowa weather ;). maybe its fords fault for not equipping my car with a thermometer so I could have known the overcast 40 degree day had dropped 10 degrees. aside from that, i dont really need a guy with a 2.3 criticizing my ability to handle a car on ice. ;)


why is everything an accident

im saying it was murder

and my parts car has a 2.3

****

we have all ****ed around, but who would have thought to go 140 mph with 5 people in the car down some random ass half mile runway?

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people just don't understand how fast cars can go and how easy it is to lose control. I'm just glad I didn't die the one time I wanted to see what my car would really do on the open road.

and what is the deal with John Travolta's house??? how is that information important here?



thanks red, im kinda surprised we agree on something


harsen, wtf man? got what he deserved? u honestly think someone deserves to die for that? to run it on a closed strip says nothing of his level of respect, thats somewhat of a leap there. alot of us with fast cars drive them fast. i bought my own car and respect it very much. doesnt stop me from romping on it from time to time, thats why i bought it

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yeah, it wasnt like that before. i was mid-way thru reading it and it got clamped down. probably linked to forums all over and they started getting heavy traffic.

skar your a queer, dont you have a working account there?



and nope, im only on bimmerforums, bmw died after the e30

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people just don't understand how fast cars can go and how easy it is to lose control. I'm just glad I didn't die the one time I wanted to see what my car would really do on the open road.

and what is the deal with John Travolta's house??? how is that information important here?



thanks red, im kinda surprised we agree on something


harsen, wtf man? got what he deserved? u honestly think someone deserves to die for that? to run it on a closed strip says nothing of his level of respect, thats somewhat of a leap there. alot of us with fast cars drive them fast. i bought my own car and respect it very much. doesnt stop me from romping on it from time to time, thats why i bought it


but with 4 other people in the car, and he obviously didnt know the place too well seeing as he went off the end

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with that being said I work hard for what I own.... and if his parents want to buy him a 100K+ car fine... not his fault, but to take a car that was given to you and not respect it for what it is and be a dumbass little teenager... he got what he deserved, it's a sad occurance don't get me wrong, but sad for the fact todays youth is nothing but a bunch of pansies that get served on a silver platter and then expect more

I guess you guys also missed the news about how he's had 2-3 tickets within 6 months that year :eek:


just because you have a soft spot for people that had life by the balls and decided to piss it all away with major stupidityÂ*doesn't mean everyone else is entitled to that opinion


I fully agree.

However, I also agree with the idea that the at least one of the other people in the car was probably telling him to slow the fcuk down. This is why I don't get into my friends cars if I do not trust them as a driver.

and yes, I loled at the john travolta's house thing

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people just don't understand how fast cars can go and how easy it is to lose control. I'm just glad I didn't die the one time I wanted to see what my car would really do on the open road.

and what is the deal with John Travolta's house??? how is that information important here?



thanks red, im kinda surprised we agree on something


harsen, wtf man? got what he deserved? u honestly think someone deserves to die for that? to run it on a closed strip says nothing of his level of respect, thats somewhat of a leap there. alot of us with fast cars drive them fast. i bought my own car and respect it very much. doesnt stop me from romping on it from time to time, thats why i bought it


but with 4 other people in the car, and he obviously didnt know the place too well seeing as he went off the end

Somethings telling me someone told him to chill the **** out. or were they like "go go go go" the truth is we will never know. We all know what happens when we Assume.

should i go over there and take a picture like this at the end of the strip?

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/ModernMechanix/5-1935/med_birdman.jpg

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ORIGINAL: Morbid Intentions

you guys should know that the car was his, several news broadcasts say it was his but it's in his fathers name... he also owned a 2008 535i and another 2008 letterbox bimmer.. all payed for by his parents... he lives in a housing unit with it's own airstrip, is it that hard to figure out :eek:

with that being said I work hard for what I own.... and if his parents want to buy him a 100K+ car fine... not his fault, but to take a car that was given to you and not respect it for what it is and be a dumbass little teenager... he got what he deserved, it's a sad occurance don't get me wrong, but sad for the fact todays youth is nothing but a bunch of pansies that get served on a silver platter and then expect more

I guess you guys also missed the news about how he's had 2-3 tickets within 6 months that year :eek:


just because you have a soft spot for people that had life by the balls and decided to piss it all away with major stupiditydoesn't mean everyone else is entitled to that opinion
Like red said how many times have we done this ourselfs. I know I did it when I got my GT. The kid just wasnt as lucky as we were.


I did 150 in my stang... by myself, on an empty road

that is thegamble you have to take... but being smart I took it on my own accord

every one of my top speed runs have been with a car I have bought myself and with only me in the car and on a vacant road..... these kids have the vacant road thing down, but after that they are idiots, just 5 spoiled brats thinking they cannot be hurt, and to other people saying the passengers were talling him to slow down... my friend owns an M6 and he was doing 80 and it felt like he was doing 20.... I doubt the passengers even felt the speed to even worry. 150 in our stangs feels nothing like 150 in an M class, the suspension setup with the low torque makes for avery smooth acceleration,at 150 Ibet that M5 felt like it was doing60-75MPH

i've done 130 or 140 in the new stang on a 2 lane road once, but i KNEW the road. i've done over 140 in my II once, but i KNEW the road.

you dont go that f*cking fast when you dont know what is coming in front of you. plain and simple. plus you know these were popped collar fagboys who thought they were cool in daddys car, with everyone inside going "yeah dog, f*ckin right.... wooooo!" right until they saw they were screwed

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you guys should know that the car was his, several news broadcasts say it was his but it's in his fathers name... he also owned a 2008 535i and another 2008 letterbox bimmer.. all payed for by his parents... he lives in a housing unit with it's own airstrip, is it that hard to figure out :eek:

with that being said I work hard for what I own.... and if his parents want to buy him a 100K+ car fine... not his fault, but to take a car that was given to you and not respect it for what it is and be a dumbass little teenager... he got what he deserved, it's a sad occurance don't get me wrong, but sad for the fact todays youth is nothing but a bunch of pansies that get served on a silver platter and then expect more

I guess you guys also missed the news about how he's had 2-3 tickets within 6 months that year :eek:


just because you have a soft spot for people that had life by the balls and decided to piss it all away with major stupidityÂ*doesn't mean everyone else is entitled to that opinion
Like red said how many times have we done this ourselfs. I know I did it when I got my GT. The kid just wasnt as lucky as we were.


I did 150 in my stang... by myself, on an empty road

that is theÂ*gamble you have to take... but being smart I took it on my own accord

every one of my top speed runs have been with a car I have bought myself and with only me in the car and on a vacant road..... these kids have the vacant road thing down, but after that they are idiots, just 5 spoiled brats thinking they cannot be hurt, and to other people saying the passengers were talling him to slow down... my friend owns an M6 and he was doing 80 and it felt like he was doing 20.... I doubt the passengers even felt the speed to even worry. 150 in our stangs feels nothing like 150 in an M class, the suspension setup with the low torque makes for aÂ*very smooth acceleration,Â*at 150 IÂ*bet that M5 felt like it was doingÂ*60-75MPHÂ*


Good point actually, I forgot about my ride in an S500, doing 70 in that thing really felt like 30.

+1 to the whole, bmws going fast, you dont feel it, thats how i got my first ticket, they feel slower than they really are going

I can somewhat agree with that. Doing 100 in my stang compared to my girls 06 Sonota Is waaaay different. I can assure you someone had their eyes on that dudes speedomiter. either way man the kids are dead be respectful. the reponses we are getting on here are crazy its complete douche bagery. I know I dont live next to any vacant roads with private air strips and crap. So if anybody can find a truely vacant road [&:]then more props to you. Your obviously were a little smarter than these kids so since you are I think you have every right to take shots at them for their own demise.

another thing that baffles me is why the kid felt the need to brake and turn very sharply unless he was trying to do a powerslide.... the M5 has world class 4 disk ventilatedsport tuned 14.7 inch brakes and the most complex traction control and suspension out there... the car could have stopped just fine, even if he hit the grass it would have just been a bumpy ride for a while untill the car came to a halt..... at 150MPH you can see something coming at you, espessiallythe end of arunway, turning sharply and braking doesn't improve your braking capacity, the only time you turn while applying the brakes is to avoid something in front of you... otherwise just stomping the brakes will perform ALOT better for you, and being on a runway I highly doubt bigfoot popped out of the cement and scared him to the point of veering off to the side while slamming on the brakes


IMO the kid was trying to show off at the end of his run and flipped the car as a result

maybe that's why I'm a little cold hearted, but as you said... we will never know

u cant know that.

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u cant know that.


and you can't know the things you are saying either... you have your opinion and I have mine

but I by no means think it's a joke... it was a really nice car, it's ashame it got destroyed

but do me a favor and think about it.... it's a runway, you know when it ends, and can see VERY clearly when it does regardless of speed, therefore you would know when to safely come to a halt


why was there a need to swerve and apply the brakes at the last minuteon a runway?

at 140 mph, i'd imagine any reaction would be too late, except for nailing the brakes...but wtf, this was a half mile airstrip right? can that car stock reach that speed in that short distance?

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at 140 mph, i'd imagine any reaction would be too late, except for nailing the brakes...but wtf, this was a half mile airstrip right? can that car stock reach that speed in that short distance?



1.5 mile airstrip... and yes at 150MPH any reaction would be too late.... on a split second


does nobody else grasp the fact this is a runway?

that would be like me going 130MPH down a 1 mile tunneland a big hot pink brick wall with strobe lights attached to it was sitting at the end ofthe tunnel,andthen theres melooking right at it the whole way downand thenwhen I get 10 feet from the end go"OH CRAP A PINK WALL! I DIDDN'T SEE IT THERE!!"


it just doesn't add up

what things did i say that I cant know?

i said we shouldnt say these kids deserve it, that alot of us (which u confirmed) do the same thing, and that the passengers were other people from that forum who also owned m5's, there was a thread linked. my info seems much less speculative.

as for the swerve, allow me to speculate the same way u did,
maybe a small animal like a rabbit, squirrel, deer, or alligator (they were in florida of course) came across the runway?

or maybe he braked too hard? i dont care what the car is, there are ways to defeat its safety features. I dont know. either way, i dont think the kid deserved it, i dont think we should spit on his grave or his parents, i think the kid did make a mistake, but i think its a mistake that is much easier to make than you people give him credit for. especially if the car feels like its going much slower, a side effect of bmw. this is why when i have kids i will buy them cars, because my dad got me my first one, a 98 corolla, and like that, their first cars will be bad handling and underpowered so they know what real limitations are. I agree completely that kid shouldnt have had the car, it pisses me off when i see that, there is a freshman here at my school with an m6 [:@] and he tools around in that thing everywhere he goes showing off.

but 5 people died, so although my irritation stems from a mixture of logic and jealousy (which come on, nobody here can say that jealousy has nothing to do with ur feelings when we are talking about these cars... or u can.... but ud be lying) those feelings are pretty damn petty when the results are taken into consideration

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at 140 mph, i'd imagine any reaction would be too late, except for nailing the brakes...but wtf, this was a half mile airstrip right? can that car stock reach that speed in that short distance?



1.5 mile airstrip... and yes at 150MPH any reaction would be too late.... on a split second


does nobody else grasp the fact this is a runway?

that would be like me going 130MPH down a 1 mile tunnel with a big hot pink brick wall at the end of it and me looking right at it and saying "OH CRAP A PINK WALL!!" 5 feet from the wall


it just doesn't add up


yeah, it should be plenty open with nothing obstructing the view of what's ahead. what may also have happened was they were going a little faster than 140 mph, then they realized it was time to slow down when it was way too late, and somehow the driver nailed the brakes instead of easing on them then pushing down further on the brake pedal, which may have resulted in loss of control.

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what things did i say that I cant know?

i said we shouldnt say these kids deserve it, that alot of us (which u confirmed) do the same thing, and that the passengers were other people from that forum who also owned m5's, there was a thread linked. my info seems much less speculative.

as for the swerve, allow me to speculate the same way u did,
maybe a small animal like a rabbit, squirrel, deer, or alligator (they were in florida of course) came across the runway?

or maybe he braked too hard? i dont care what the car is, there are ways to defeat its safety features. I dont know. either way, i dont think the kid deserved it, i dont think we should spit on his grave or his parents, i think the kid did make a mistake, but i think its a mistake that is much easier to make than you people give him credit for. especially if the car feels like its going much slower, a side effect of bmw. this is why when i have kids i will buy them cars, because my dad got me my first one, a 98 corolla, and like that, their first cars will be bad handling and underpowered so they know what real limitations are. I agree completely that kid shouldnt have had the car, it pisses me off when i see that, there is a freshman here at my school with an m6 [:@] and he tools around in that thing everywhere he goes showing off.

but 5 people died, so although my irritation stems from a mixture of logic and jealousy (which come on, nobody here can say that jealousy has nothing to do with ur feelings when we are talking about these cars... or u can.... but ud be lying) those feelings are pretty damn petty when the results are taken into consideration


that's true... but you have to admit, my theory shouldn't be discredited at all


everyones entitled to an opinion and I'm not saying yours is wrong... but that is just mine

also keep into affect runways are fenced in... every one of them have to be in the US, it's a saftey regulation just for what you described

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another thing that baffles me is why the kid felt the need to brake and turn very sharply unless he was trying to do a powerslide.... the M5 has world class 4 disk ventilatedÂ*sport tuned 14.7 inch brakes and the most complex traction control and suspension out there... the car could have stopped just fine, even if he hit the grass it would have just been a bumpy ride for a while untill the car came to a halt..... at 150MPH you can see something coming at you, espessiallyÂ*the end of aÂ*runway, turning sharply and braking doesn't improve your braking capacity, the only time you turn while applying the brakes is to avoid something in front of you... otherwise just stomping the brakes will perform ALOT better for you, and being on a runway I highly doubt bigfoot popped out of the cement and scared him to the point of veering off to the side while slamming on the brakes


IMO the kid was trying to show off at the end of his run and flipped the car as a result

maybe that's why I'm a little cold hearted, but as you said... we will never know


You are also giving the kid too much credit there. He was 18. He posted a goddamn thread asking why his car shifted so "hard" when upshifting in the harshest modes the car has. He was not ready to handle speeds like that, or knew what to do in a situation like that.

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what things did i say that I cant know?

i said we shouldnt say these kids deserve it, that alot of us (which u confirmed) do the same thing, and that the passengers were other people from that forum who also owned m5's, there was a thread linked. my info seems much less speculative.

as for the swerve, allow me to speculate the same way u did,
maybe a small animal like a rabbit, squirrel, deer, or alligator (they were in florida of course) came across the runway?

or maybe he braked too hard? i dont care what the car is, there are ways to defeat its safety features. I dont know. either way, i dont think the kid deserved it, i dont think we should spit on his grave or his parents, i think the kid did make a mistake, but i think its a mistake that is much easier to make than you people give him credit for. especially if the car feels like its going much slower, a side effect of bmw. this is why when i have kids i will buy them cars, because my dad got me my first one, a 98 corolla, and like that, their first cars will be bad handling and underpowered so they know what real limitations are. I agree completely that kid shouldnt have had the car, it pisses me off when i see that, there is a freshman here at my school with an m6 [:@] and he tools around in that thing everywhere he goes showing off.

but 5 people died, so although my irritation stems from a mixture of logic and jealousy (which come on, nobody here can say that jealousy has nothing to do with ur feelings when we are talking about these cars... or u can.... but ud be lying) those feelings are pretty damn petty when the results are taken into consideration


that's true... but you have to admit, my theory shouldn't be discredited at all


everyones entitled to an opinion and I'm not saying yours is wrong... but that is just mine

also keep into affect runways are fenced in... every one of them have to be in the US, it's a saftey regulation just for what you described


ok, i think we can both be happy with that [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

I just diddn't understand anything about this story, the only reason I can see pushing the limits of the braking distance is that he was greedy for more speed, in which an M5 will reach 150MPH well before 1.5 miles at WOT, the electronic limit for an M5 is 155MPH... after that the car just dumbs down and doesn't push, so why continue to the end and challenge your safe braking distance for no reason?

couple that with all of the variables I'm giving you, it's just really fishy


Imma stop now, I feel like a f*cking lawyer [8D]

i thought he was on a 1/2 mile strip, but i could be wrong

at least john travolta got his name in the story, that makes the most sense of this entire thing.?!:;

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i thought he was on a 1/2 mile strip, but i could be wrong


it was a 1.5 mile strip.

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I just diddn't understand anything about this story, the only reason I can see pushing the limits of the braking distance is that he was greedy for more speed, in which an M5 will reach 150MPH well before 1.5 miles at WOT, the electronic limit for an M5 is 155MPH... after that the car just dumbs down and doesn't push, so why continue to the end and challenge your safe braking distance for no reason?

couple that with all of the variables I'm giving you, it's just really fishy


Imma stop now, I feel like a f*cking lawyer [8D]



Once again, you are looking at this from the perspective of an experienced high powered vehicle driver.

You are 18, have your friends in your fathers fancy powerful car, and lots of smooth open road ahead of you. You put your foot to the floor, all your friends go WOW so you just keep it to the floor thinking your friends will be more and more impressed. Suddenly, everything is going REALLY fast, it is late, and all the pavement ahead of you looks exactly the same because it is a runway. Then, all of a sudden out of the darkness comes the end of the runway, coming faster than you could have imagined. You choke, slam your foot on the break and try and turn (Maybe on the left of the runway there was no ditch down, he was trying to get onto that safe area? Who knows) lose control. Game over.

how did the car fly 200 ft when he was going sideways. It seems to me that would havebeen possible had he not have braked and kept going 150 mph. If his car did infact flipped I would think the car would have ended up at least 100 ft away. wheres mythbusters when you need them.

could the car have flew several feet while flipping from going sidewayz6.0? there may have been something on the runway to cause it to go airborn (its probably in the article...that i didn't read that well).

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I just diddn't understand anything about this story, the only reason I can see pushing the limits of the braking distance is that he was greedy for more speed, in which an M5 will reach 150MPH well before 1.5 miles at WOT, the electronic limit for an M5 is 155MPH... after that the car just dumbs down and doesn't push, so why continue to the end and challenge your safe braking distance for no reason?

couple that with all of the variables I'm giving you, it's just really fishy


Imma stop now, I feel like a f*cking lawyer [8D]



Once again, you are looking at this from the perspective of an experienced high powered vehicle driver.

You are 18, have your friends in your fathers fancy powerful car, and lots of smooth open road ahead of you. You put your foot to the floor, all your friends go WOW so you just keep it to the floor thinking your friends will be more and more impressed. Suddenly, everything is going REALLY fast, it is late, and all the pavement ahead of you looks exactly the same because it is a runway. Then, all of a sudden out of the darkness comes the end of the runway, coming faster than you could have imagined. You choke, slam your foot on the break and try and turn (Maybe on the left of the runway there was no ditch down, he was trying to get onto that safe area? Who knows) lose control. Game over.


but it doesn't take an experieced driver to use your eyesight, "wow I'm going fast!... oh I'm getting closer to the end of the runway, I can tell because of those big f*cking trees in front of meand the car isn't pushing anymore" (ease on the brakes)

everyone is fine

when I was 10 I knew if I locked up a cars brakes at high speeds it would pwn you... you are saying these kids diddn't? [&:]

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I just diddn't understand anything about this story, the only reason I can see pushing the limits of the braking distance is that he was greedy for more speed, in which an M5 will reach 150MPH well before 1.5 miles at WOT, the electronic limit for an M5 is 155MPH... after that the car just dumbs down and doesn't push, so why continue to the end and challenge your safe braking distance for no reason?

couple that with all of the variables I'm giving you, it's just really fishy


Imma stop now, I feel like a f*cking lawyer [8D]



Once again, you are looking at this from the perspective of an experienced high powered vehicle driver.

You are 18, have your friends in your fathers fancy powerful car, and lots of smooth open road ahead of you. You put your foot to the floor, all your friends go WOW so you just keep it to the floor thinking your friends will be more and more impressed. Suddenly, everything is going REALLY fast, it is late, and all the pavement ahead of you looks exactly the same because it is a runway. Then, all of a sudden out of the darkness comes the end of the runway, coming faster than you could have imagined. You choke, slam your foot on the break and try and turn (Maybe on the left of the runway there was no ditch down, he was trying to get onto that safe area? Who knows) lose control. Game over.


but it doesn't take an experieced driver to use your eyesight, "wow I'm going fast!... oh I'm getting closer to the end of the runway, I can tell because of those big f*cking trees in front of meÂ*and the car isn't pushing anymore" (ease on the brakes)

everyone is fine

when I was 10 I knew if I locked up a cars brakes at high speeds it would pwn you... you are saying these kids diddn't? [&:]



Sorry, that is WAY more common sense than a dude in his father's M5 that he didn't do anything for could possibly posses [8D]

^ the trees were over a drop off, he might not have seen them, also it was pitch black out, so it was probably hard to see the end of the runway period... and at that speed coming up on certain death he probably choked and slammed the brakes, turned the wheel to avoid the huge drop off in front of him trying to steer anywhere but over an 85 foot drop, hit the grass with the wheel turned, the drop from the runway to the grass and the traction difference could have easily flipped the car on its side at those speeds, and at 150mph, even on its side im sure i flew like a rocket into that tree

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^ the trees were over a drop off, he might not have seen them, also it was pitch black out, so it was probably hard to see the end of the runway period... and at that speed coming up on certain death he probably choked and slammed the brakes, turned the wheel to avoid the huge drop off in front of him trying to steer anywhere but over an 85 foot drop, hit the grass with the wheel turned, the drop from the runway to the grass and the traction difference could have easily flipped the car on its side at those speeds, and at 150mph, even on its side im sure i flew like a rocket into that tree


there is no drop off, and the airstrip lights up at night

http://www.jumbolair.com/images/runway36.jpg


does this put it into perspective for you guys?

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^ the trees were over a drop off, he might not have seen them, also it was pitch black out, so it was probably hard to see the end of the runway period... and at that speed coming up on certain death he probably choked and slammed the brakes, turned the wheel to avoid the huge drop off in front of him trying to steer anywhere but over an 85 foot drop, hit the grass with the wheel turned, the drop from the runway to the grass and the traction difference could have easily flipped the car on its side at those speeds, and at 150mph, even on its side im sure i flew like a rocket into that tree


there is no drop off, and the airstrip lights up at night

http://www.jumbolair.com/images/runway36.jpg


Wow. I wish I had that near me. That would be fun to try and top out.

This just goes to show why this happened. I bet that gets people doing high speed runs on it ALL THE TIME.

Only a matter of statistics before something like this happened.

if theres no drop off how the hell did his car go flying through the air..... and does it have runway lights like major air ports? i dont see other lights but i guess the runway lights make sense

but i see what you mean about the tree tops coming up over the top and how it would be impossible to not see them

where travoltas pad?
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj180/scottymonger/Travolta.jpg

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where travoltas pad?


off to the side of the round taxiway.... he owns a boieng 707


http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2004/TravoltaHome.jpg

am I the only one that cant read those threads? it asks to log in

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where travoltas pad?


off to the side of the round taxiway.... he owns a boieng 707


http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2004/TravoltaHome.jpg
LOL we posted damn near the same pic

goddamn it must be nice to be rich eh?

to have your own driveway for two ****in planes, holy ****

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to have your own driveway for two ****in planes, holy ****
No shyt man dude is freakin loaded.

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goddamn it must be nice to be rich eh?


Yeah, it gets you and 4 of your closest friends ripped apart




really though, nice pad there.

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^ the trees were over a drop off, he might not have seen them, also it was pitch black out, so it was probably hard to see the end of the runway period... and at that speed coming up on certain death he probably choked and slammed the brakes, turned the wheel to avoid the huge drop off in front of him trying to steer anywhere but over an 85 foot drop, hit the grass with the wheel turned, the drop from the runway to the grass and the traction difference could have easily flipped the car on its side at those speeds, and at 150mph, even on its side im sure i flew like a rocket into that tree


there is no drop off, and the airstrip lights up at night

http://www.jumbolair.com/images/runway36.jpg


does this put it into perspective for you guys?



the article said there was a very large berm thatthe strip sits on, i remember reading that. he flew so far because he basically went off a cliff..... just a very slopy one, but when ur going fast it doesnt matter, ground falls away from u, u fly

u can also clearly see a concrete sloped "rail" in the culdesac. the cartoon u posted showed him going off the culdesac end, so that means he hit this thing, and its sloped at about 45.

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^ the trees were over a drop off, he might not have seen them, also it was pitch black out, so it was probably hard to see the end of the runway period... and at that speed coming up on certain death he probably choked and slammed the brakes, turned the wheel to avoid the huge drop off in front of him trying to steer anywhere but over an 85 foot drop, hit the grass with the wheel turned, the drop from the runway to the grass and the traction difference could have easily flipped the car on its side at those speeds, and at 150mph, even on its side im sure i flew like a rocket into that tree


there is no drop off, and the airstrip lights up at night

http://www.jumbolair.com/images/runway36.jpg


does this put it into perspective for you guys?



the article said there was a very large berm thatthe strip sits on, i remember reading that. he flew so far because he basically went off a cliff..... just a very slopy one, but when ur going fast it doesnt matter, ground falls away from u, u fly

u can also clearly see a concrete sloped "rail" in the culdesac. the cartoon u posted showed him going off the culdesac end, so that means he hit this thing, and its sloped at about 45.


if this is the case my standing stays the same... I think he tried to powerslde around the circle to show off and went airborne, there is no reason not to stop safely when something is clearly coming at you, and furthermore there is no reason to jerk the wheel to one side, this only makes things worse when you are trying to stop

im done arguing those facts with u, i was just responding to those people wondering why he flew.

the concrete launchpad, and the fact that the ground behind it is much lower, i thought i heard the overall elevation of the strip was 80ft above the ground below (just below the frame of that pic) but i cant remember for sure, id have to watch that vid of the cop again

also, I still don't see a slope... I see a big ass 45 degree cement jump

http://www.airportbusiness.com/images/article/1113229158417_2.jpg

for as much credit as you guys are giving this kid in the brain department maybe I'm mistaken and he thought he would jump his 100K+ car over this thingtotryand show off

^ lol

A lot of people apparently have piss-poor reading comprehension skills on this board as the article posted on page 1 clearly states that neither the driver nor his friends were part of the gated community with the private airstrip and that they snuck onto the premises through a back gate.

And seriously, 5, 18/19 year old kids died. They did something outrageously stupid but they're really really young. Apparently, everyone whose laughing about this were freakin' dorks in high school and never did anything stupid... like illicit drugs or driving real fast. Give the kids a break, Jesus.

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A lot of people apparently have piss-poor reading comprehension skills on this board as the article posted on page 1 clearly states that neither the driver nor his friends were part of the gated community with the private airstrip and that they snuck onto the premises through a back gate.

And seriously, 5, 18/19 year old kids died. They did something outrageously stupid but they're really really young. Apparently, everyone whose laughing about this were freakin' dorks in high school and never did anything stupid... like illicit drugs or driving real fast. Give the kids a break, Jesus.


yes

so what does this have to do with anything?

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A lot of people apparently have piss-poor reading comprehension skills on this board as the article posted on page 1 clearly states that neither the driver nor his friends were part of the gated community with the private airstrip and that they snuck onto the premises through a back gate.

And seriously, 5, 18/19 year old kids died. They did something outrageously stupid but they're really really young. Apparently, everyone whose laughing about this were freakin' dorks in high school and never did anything stupid... like illicit drugs or driving real fast. Give the kids a break, Jesus.


the only one that is laughing about it is SKAR..... I was laughing at the drawing, I just think the kids are effing retards for doing it

im only laughing because, OMFG who would of thought of the consequences of doing 140 with 5 people in a car in an unfamiliar place

they were probably mostly if not all dead upon impact with the "jump"....the tree was simply a formality.

at least they were comfortable

http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/bmw/m/2007/4sa/51.jpg

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2006/BMW/M5/400/2006_BMW_M5_2inrearseat.jpg

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A lot of people apparently have piss-poor reading comprehension skills on this board as the article posted on page 1 clearly states that neither the driver nor his friends were part of the gated community with the private airstrip and that they snuck onto the premises through a back gate.

And seriously, 5, 18/19 year old kids died. They did something outrageously stupid but they're really really young. Apparently, everyone whose laughing about this were freakin' dorks in high school and never did anything stupid... like illicit drugs or driving real fast. Give the kids a break, Jesus.


Dear Qusus,

After carefully considering your request, I have decided that I will give them a break.

Sincerely,
Jesus H. Christ

lol

lmao

those seats dont look comfortable at all...im sure they are though since they are in a bimmer, but they just dont look it...

I was surprised by them, the interior in my 91' looks far better than that

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those seats dont look comfortable at all...im sure they are though since they are in a bimmer, but they just dont look it...


Yeah, I agree. They probably also aren't too comfy when smashed up into a 6 foot diameter ball either.

Ummm the car went in the direction of the arrows on the run way...

LOL @ red and skar

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Ummm the car went in the direction of the arrows on the run way...


sorry, try again.

Hint, theres only one option left

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Ummm the car went in the direction of the arrows on the run way...


sorry, try again.

Hint, theres only one option left


[>:]was it fast laps back and forth on the narrow length of the track? like swimming?

I vote a spiral pattern down the runway. non-concentric circles all the way. like a helix.

so they were drifting at 150 mph? that certainly supports harsen's view [8D]

lmao

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so they were drifting at 150 mph? that certainly supports harsen's view [8D]


well according to all of the views you guys putup to theseidiotsI wouldn't put it past them

they decided to be retards, they died, big deal... brought it upon themselves... **** happens

want to cry a river about them, fine you are more than entitled to... that doesn't mean other people need to do the same, other people might find it humorous, others will think they got what they had coming... and you are nobody to change that view

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so they were drifting at 150 mph? that certainly supports harsen's view [8D]


you've obviously never driven an awesome german sportscarmobile. they can do anything.

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so they were drifting at 150 mph? that certainly supports harsen's view [8D]


you've obviously never driven an awesome german sportscarmobile. they can do anything.



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if anyone else can disprove any hard facts I have supplied and nobody want to supply their own facts this thread has run it's course

I will check up on this when I get back to see if anyone wants to talk sense with me... untill then, learn about the car and airport regulations and the scenario before you talk about it

I have a red wings game to be to ;)

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so they were drifting at 150 mph? that certainly supports harsen's view [8D]


well according to all of the views you guys putup to theseidiotsI wouldn't put it past them

they decided to be retards, they died, big deal... brought it upon themselves... **** happens

want to cry a river about them, fine you are more than entitled to... that doesn't mean other people need to do the same, other people might find it humorous, others will think they got what they had coming... and you are nobody to change that view
the user ID says it all.

[&:]damn, i guess i pissed in his wheaties

however, im much more inclined to take the last second freakout over the powerslide theory. maybe he tried to brake, felt he couldnt make it, so he cranked the wheel to the side to avoid a head-on which is a common reaction of many people. i know Ive done it even this winter when i go for the brakes and get nothing cuz im on ice. as I approach something turning the wheel seems like a good option. especially cuz in that case ur periph is gone. i say for whatever reason, he didnt know how fast he was going, didnt see the barrier until reaction time was too late, whatever, he swerved to avoid a headon with that ramp.

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55 on the freeway (10 under)in early november, slow accel for the next 1/2 mile till the lane ends:eek:good lord how could i have made that mistake? it was a clover with ice around the bend, I think i posted that the cop almost bit it too when responding to the call.
even acer came on to say he had trouble on the same highway in his suv.

Hell, im not even the only one around here with a buried mustang, but hey the fact that u laugh at dead kids tells me ur probably a poor sad little man who needs this boost to precipitate out a little self confidence so sure im a "bad driver" which somehow we make another logical left turn and equate that to "life" :eek: when my original comment was related directly to you laughing at 5 families losing their kids.

thats what this is about. too much hypocracy around here.almost everyone on these boards has street racing threads, or high speed threads, but as soon as someone messes up theres this "i didnt so im better" attitude and theUnfortunate get flamed, when in reality sh*t happens. so if u havent had enough time under ur belt to figure that out u will. these kids died just running their cars, doing things that alot of us do on a regular basis.

if u looked around there is another thread where several people from that m5 board that organized a run on that half mile air strip. but of course we all know how unsafe perfectly flat half mile strips are especially when there is only 1 car driving down it.




+1 i hear about people speeding everyday etc etc..until someone dies then everyone becomes perfect drivers

other forums are working, heres the wreckage:

wheel and tailpipe circled by bimmer members to point out what model it was i guess

http://i32.tinypic.com/9qbfdf.jpg

look, it really was down a hill
http://www.local6.com/2008/0126/15144735.jpg

M5froth I completley understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible..that is definetly understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others..and I hope you are not under the impression that I am the one to brag, I have never been that way and never will. Plus I will have pictures up asap with me in the pictures. I have no reason to lie buddy.

Very ironic....

Edit, that first link is overflowing with irony...

My only bit of advice matey - If you crash in a big way expect to be on the news

Sh1t Happens...

they are just kids, we have all done stupid things in our cars. almost all of us have when youths. just think back to when you are 18 yrs old? tell me not....



no need to wish death or make fun of one who has passed away.

People die all the time, who gives a sh1t? It's not like it hasaffected me in any way. It's just 1 less beemer on the road and 5 less mouths to feed.

Last time I checked it was called Life/Death andit happens quite often.

a very sobering reminder of how dangerous cars can be if you do stupid stuff. at least they werent on public roads

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[&:]damn, i guess i pissed in his wheaties

however, im much more inclined to take the last second freakout over the powerslide theory. maybe he tried to brake, felt he couldnt make it, so he cranked the wheel to the side to avoid a head-on which is a common reaction of many people. i know Ive done it even this winter when i go for the brakes and get nothing cuz im on ice. as I approach something turning the wheel seems like a good option. especially cuz in that case ur periph is gone. i say for whatever reason, he didnt know how fast he was going, didnt see the barrier until reaction time was too late, whatever, he swerved to avoid a headon with that ramp.


beleive me, if he had driven his m5 before intelligently at all, your instint isnt to crank the wheel, the car could of EASILY stopped in time if the kid didnt deserve to die for stupidity

that is all

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[&:]damn, i guess i pissed in his wheaties

however, im much more inclined to take the last second freakout over the powerslide theory. maybe he tried to brake, felt he couldnt make it, so he cranked the wheel to the side to avoid a head-on which is a common reaction of many people. i know Ive done it even this winter when i go for the brakes and get nothing cuz im on ice. as I approach something turning the wheel seems like a good option. especially cuz in that case ur periph is gone. i say for whatever reason, he didnt know how fast he was going, didnt see the barrier until reaction time was too late, whatever, he swerved to avoid a headon with that ramp.


beleive me, if he had driven his m5 before intelligently at all, your instint isnt to crank the wheel, the car could of EASILY stopped in time if the kid didnt deserve to die for stupidity

that is all



u dont know where the skids are, u dont know how far ahead of the car he could see.

but what u said boils down to
"if he had done something different to begin with, he would have avoided that situation"

by god, u could be a prophet :eek:, so full of wisdom u could write fortune cookies

lets say he already was past the point of no return and a wall is approaching him very quickly, i dont find it hard at all to imagine someone cranking the wheel, especially an inexperienced driver.

what he "should" have done has already been discussed in full. this was a discussion on what we think happened, and im saying in my opinion its much more likely that he cranked the wheel in a panic seeing that wall coming at him, than he decided, after a top speed run to try a power slide. I personally cant think of anyone who would think a powerslide at those speeds resulting in a complete Uturn would actually work, and that includes alot of young kids. he had enough speed to launch himself, anyone looking to powerslide in that culdesac would most likely have stopped, and performed a wide donut. the overall loss of control is, in my opinion, infinitely more logical than an attempt at a 150mph drift

Everybody is talking about this guy being a dumb rich kid but the truth is that this could have happened with a 73 Maverick and a kid with only two wooden nickles to rub together..

The Josh (American5) poster was a complete moron with ZERO maturity, I am actually more concerned and saddened with the other 4 guys he took with him.

wings win! YEEHAW!

3-2 over the coyotes! in your face!!!


oh snap, continue this pity party, please... I'll pretend like I should care and watch people act like their opinion should be my own


and I agree with MK2 that the kid at fault was the poster and not so much the people he took with him... if you can't stop a world classcar in a safe distance on a 1.5 mile stretch of straight road I question your need to take up space on this earth

all the reasons everyone has said for the crash leads to one explaination that can hold truein the long run.... the kid was a dumbass... thereforedarwinism just took hold and filtered out that mess

it was pitch black, he locked up the brakes and swerved, he powerslid


.... gee I'm sorry he was a dumbass, maybe next timesomeone will think about these factors like he neglected too... let him be an example

thank you, come again

I think its kind of sad.. reading the original thread where he posted about how he respected the power of his car and he was greatful for the wisdom of the people on the board.. and everyone there telling him to be careful, not end up like some other kids on the news dead... and then like 2 pages later.. oops.. he died.... too bad....

ORIGINAL: Mishri

I think its kind of sad.. reading the original thread where he posted about how he respected the power of his car and he was greatful for the wisdom of the people on the board.. and everyone there telling him to be careful, not end up like some other kids on the news dead... and then like 2 pages later.. oops.. he died....Â* too bad....


The irony oozes from that thread....

Sad story and a senseless waste of life...although I had to laugh when I saw that they'd pointed out John Travolta's house on the graphic. I mean, why? Really!

from the dead?

AAAHHHH!! ZOMBIE THREAD IS BACK FROM THE DEAD!

And another thing...when you look at Google Maps you can see some detail. Some of us may be lucky enough to have a Mustang sitting in our driveway. John Travolta has a four-engined jet!

Fix your links to look like this (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=NE+95th+St,+Ocala,+Marion,+Florid a+34479,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.887315,92.460937&ie=UTF8&cd=3&ge ocode=0,29.288520,-82.123990&t=h&ll=29.27808,-82.116838&spn=0.007047,0.011287&z=17&iwloc=addr)

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sad.

Do you think hids Dad will replace the M5 or the kid first..

Stupid is what stupid does

Nothing else to fukking do...:eek:
Bringing back an old thread about the logical death ofa dumb @ss kid that no one gave a sh#t about on this board?

I bought my first car...a v6 firebird....sold it and bought my current 5.0 Mustang...and trust me, nothing but respect for it.

What brought this thread back?

^^Necromancers

was just catching up on this story...an ems friend of mine once responded to a suicide where the guy was dead next to his computer... they had to locate a suicide note and ended up using a screen capture...apparently the guy was in some forum looking for girl advice and ended up telling people he couldnt take it anymore...it was interestin cause people in the forum were calling him a fag and ****...i used to have a printout of it...interesting ****....

as for this..well it sux but everybody dies sometime...i go 140 whenever i can...its one of the few times my mind is at peace...racing at 140 i dont have to think about anything else...i figure if i smashup everyone will hear about it...newspapers will love it that my plate said streetracer....

ORIGINAL: alasdair67

Sad story and a senseless waste of life...although I had to laugh when I saw that they'd pointed out John Travolta's house on the graphic. I mean, why? Really!


Hrrmmm.. so how many hours did you spend sifting through countless pages of dead posts to resurrect this one? :eek:[>:]

Tard..

should I lock this? i think everythings been said that needs to be

vote now [8D]

LOCK! LOCK! LOCK! LOCK! LOCK!


but first

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multiracial smileys are not pleased

IBTL!

Oh, and this NYStang:

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