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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 7:31:26 AM   
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OK, I guess I stand corrected   Thanks for that pic BTW, I always did like the IROC's even though I was a Mustang kid.

As for the comment about the SA-25 not being called a SA-25....care to elaborate

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 11:57:42 AM   
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Jason,

No need to corrected. Back in your neck of the woods you are a Ford guy or Chevy guy right? I guess it's safe to say you could get beat to a pulp if a Chevy guy ended up in the wrong part of town?

I'd say they all have a basic similar design but Sal was right on with his IROC wheel comment. I didn't even think of that one.


I'd also like to hear if it's true that this is not really the SA-25. If Debbie Blaylock has one on order I'd have to say this IS the SA-25.

If it's not the SA-25 then where will it end?

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 12:09:05 PM   
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How can it not be the SA-25? Doesnt make sense to me...

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 1:07:28 PM   
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They're only making 25 and the official metal for a 25th anniversary is Silver..... so... logic would dictate that it is the SA-25. That's my story and I'm sticking to it -- until proven otherwise!

EDIT: I'm a little surprised they didn't use Liquid Mercury as the color.

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 1:14:28 PM   
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Doesnt say SA 25 on the hood?

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 1:45:07 PM   
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SBKrider I highly doubt the car will put 680hp at the flywheel. Saleen does not underrate their cars. What they spec is normally what they produce. Now I could be worng but I'm just going with previous experience.


I was told this by the same person who told me about the SA-25 as he was leaving the press release. I never saw it in another forum. This rumor is straight from Saleen. The flywheel number I threw out there is with a 15% loss that Saleen normally claims I think. Personally I would do it at a 17% loss putting flywheel hp right at 700. Also, he said that this is without correction, so SAE numbers would be lower but not by much I think.

Again, I was told this. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see right? We'll see.

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 3:11:00 PM   
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Doesnt say SA 25 on the hood?


It says "Saleen 25" on the hood.  The SA series of cars (excluding the one-off '88 5) were all limited to 10 units and first dibs were given to current SOEC members.


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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 5:19:07 PM   
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This is true.

Only 10 units for the anniversary cars.

Although, since Steve is no longer with Saleen and the way they have been releasing lot's a "special" cars I wouldn't put it past Saleen to make 100  SA-25's.

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/21/2008 5:41:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Say When

This is true.

Only 10 units for the anniversary cars.

Although, since Steve is no longer with Saleen and the way they have been releasing lot's a "special" cars I wouldn't put it past Saleen to make 100  SA-25's.


You mean 100 Sterling Editions.  A retail Anniversary vehicle.


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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/22/2008 6:11:09 AM   
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Ok Class,  Lets do the math and see what Saleen would do...
100 cars x$100,000.00 is $10,000,000.00 not bad for probably a mark up of 40-45% of cost of building a mustang GT into this  limited edition.   

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/22/2008 6:06:32 PM   
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  I'm thinking I'd sell as many 100K mustangs as I could, but that's just me!  I'm as much of a Saleen enthusiast as the next guy, but c'mon, 100K.  The problem becomes that the more cars they produce, the less exclusive they are.  A 100K car w/o exclusivity is just a really expensive Mustang and definately not worth it.  Saleen, as a producer, will only see the money when they are sold new.  Steve isn't there any more, so does the new management really care about exclusivity (doubt it, look at how many "special additions" they have out there now).  Question is, do they make their money and call it a day (business sense says "yes") or keep the exclusivity of the brand.  Hmmm... Thoughts?

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/22/2008 6:48:57 PM   
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  I'm thinking I'd sell as many 100K mustangs as I could, but that's just me!  I'm as much of a Saleen enthusiast as the next guy, but c'mon, 100K.  The problem becomes that the more cars they produce, the less exclusive they are.  A 100K car w/o exclusivity is just a really expensive Mustang and definately not worth it.  Saleen, as a producer, will only see the money when they are sold new.  Steve isn't there any more, so does the new management really care about exclusivity (doubt it, look at how many "special additions" they have out there now).  Question is, do they make their money and call it a day (business sense says "yes") or keep the exclusivity of the brand.  Hmmm... Thoughts?


All Saleens are special.  When you compare the current total model year of Saleen Mustang production to those of Ford SVT, Roush, maybe even the new Vegas Shelby cars (I don't follow them)... the Saleens still have fewer units.

Another way to look at it is that with the various model series offered, it gives exculsivity by offering a diverse range of Mustangs that proclaim upfront that it's "1 of 25,"  "1 of 500," "1 of etc."

The special editions are not adding to a greater production number for the year.  I would look at it more like it's creating more diversity in the established output.

One thing the history does, it fades the reality of the past.  If Saleen Autosport could have produced 1,000 vehicles in 1988... they would have.  If they could have sold/ built 100 SCs in 1990... they would have.  People might forget about the SSCs, SCs sitting on dealer floors for a year or two... S351s sitting two-three years... 2002 E cars sitting 18-36 months, which one can say caused the 2003-04 E production to drop (maybe).  Off the top of my head, the only versions I can think of that was purposely kept limited was the SVT Cobra conversions, and the SAs.

It also depends on if one wants to call the 2007 PJ a limited car at 500 units.

Anyway... sometimes the exculsivity came by way of production limitations and at others a market that was not going to support these vehicles.


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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/22/2008 10:21:41 PM   
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I dont think Saleen could or would sell 100 of these. It removes the exclusivity by selling 100. You might as well buy an RF (there will 100 of those too). Also, I am not sure if there are 100 people wanting to spend $100k on a mustang. At that price, I would buy a GT3 or the new ZR1. At least, those cars come with a 3 year warranty. I think at the $100k price point, Saleen should offer the 3 year warranty on the engine.

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/23/2008 2:39:28 PM   
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I dont think Saleen could or would sell 100 of these. It removes the exclusivity by selling 100. You might as well buy an RF (there will 100 of those too). Also, I am not sure if there are 100 people wanting to spend $100k on a mustang. At that price, I would buy a GT3 or the new ZR1. At least, those cars come with a 3 year warranty. I think at the $100k price point, Saleen should offer the 3 year warranty on the engine.


I think the comment about producing 100 units was tongue-in-cheek humor.


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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/23/2008 3:37:12 PM   
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I dont think Saleen could or would sell 100 of these. It removes the exclusivity by selling 100. You might as well buy an RF (there will 100 of those too). Also, I am not sure if there are 100 people wanting to spend $100k on a mustang. At that price, I would buy a GT3 or the new ZR1. At least, those cars come with a 3 year warranty. I think at the $100k price point, Saleen should offer the 3 year warranty on the engine.


I think the comment about producing 100 units was tongue-in-cheek humor.



I guess that went right over my head

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/23/2008 5:03:48 PM   
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I guess I just shouldn't post horrible things like that.

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RE: 2008 Saleen Sterling Edition S302E 6 - 1/24/2008 6:51:12 AM   
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Your a bad bad man Say When.. stirring up trouble all over the place.

However there may be some validity to the above statements. Steve is no longer here so while there is exclusivity to total number of cars as compared to other manufactures made there is becoming a trend that Saleen is now in where they offer a multiple "styles" of Exclusivity. Look at PJ's Look at RF's look at Heritage Editions, Trucks . Yes that particular "model" may be considered Exclusive, it still goes against a total build number of say 15-1800 cars. However I thought Saleen said last year there was going to be a limit going forward of total cars built and they would now be grouped by the particualr model as I listed above? I thought I read where that cap was 1500 total cars regardless of the "model". Since I don't believe total numbers are released anymore or at least our folks here have not been able to get a total production run since I guess the 06 year we may never know.

I also think that some of this percieved "saturation" of the Saleen Market is due to the multiple offerings of diffent styles. Like I listed above.  What will tell all of us whether Saleen is running this as a Business and a Limited ownership experience is if we could get actual total build numbers. Otherwise we don't know if they have made 2000 cars 1000 cars?

Just my 2 cents.    

Peace.

One last point. I think that car above is the 25th anniversary Edition. There may have been a limit in the past to not doing more then 10 cars for an anniversary, the market and production capabilty will dictate if 25 cars can be sold.  I also think there are more "Collectors" out there with the financial means to buy that type of car then there used to be. Foolish or not for buying a 100k Mustang if I could I probably would is the old axciom.    

Ok I am done now.. I promise.

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