local dealer has ad in paper selling 2008 gt500's at sticker with no markup
just wondering what they are selling for elsewhere

20k markup for around here

I was just looking @ a 08' GT500 white vert. Sticker was $46K & dealer was adding $10k & final price was $64K w/ options added. I think i could get it w/o the added $10K.

Thats ridiculous 20k over... might as well give me 10k and I'll kick ya in the nuts and you'll feel better....

ordered my '06 from same dealer for $1000 under, when other dealers here were $1000+over
so i think its a legit ad

SC your ride and do the bodykit. Same **** and faster.

too much invested in mine to trade anyway, have 3 grand worth of parts in garage now
just waiting for rest to come in

Bought a vert in FL.,for msrp in Dec.

There should be a lawagainst marking upvehicle prices over MSRP. Dealers are a bunch of greedy bastards! I thought about trading in my 2007 GT/CS for a GT500 until I saw how much dealers were asking for one. Yikes! I would've been ok with the 41-42k MSRP. Lowest price I've seen for a GT500 was 49k and highest was 69k.

30,000.00 mark up at the dealers in southern maryland, he owns 6 dealers in the area.

They got em for sticker STICKER sticker here. Legit GT500s, too. 46-47K

ORIGINAL: bad1032

30,000.00 mark up at the dealers in southern maryland, he owns 6 dealers in the area.


Thats insane!

If you can even actually find one around here new, the dealers usually have about a $15k markup on them......

I found a used 2007 Shelby GT500 with 500 miles on it, and that particular dealer still wanted $6K over the MSRP!

Makes it hard to see them so marked up, but man........what a sweeet ride........

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Isn't that just standard marketing crapola? Most the GT's here in Oregon still have dealer markup, but you can still buy them well under MSRP if you're not a fool.

ORIGINAL: bad1032

30,000.00 mark up at the dealers in southern maryland, he owns 6 dealers in the area.


Is that Waldorf Ford? I laughed at them when I saw their 2 '08 GT500s marked up $30K over. I asked the sales manager what he's been getting, and he said he got $72K for a red with white stripe '08 about a month ago. Given that they've moved quite a few since late-'06, I can only believe 1 of 2 things: either the sales manager is lying about what he's really getting (definitely possible) or there are idiots not willing to look around the country to find a better deal. If you can pay MSRP, even if it costs $3K to have it shipped in a covered trailer, it's STILL a huge savings from what the metro DC dealers are looking for!

BTW, Waldorf Ford is still trying to charge a $5K markup on their 2007 Shelby GTs that aren't sold. Oops!

Well, if anyone needs a GT500 (which I'd imagine you guys don't...) then call me. I'll picture some prices off the GT500s and tell you what you can get them for. Vista Ford in the LA area has virtually no markup - even on 08's.

I don't care how much money I get in this life, I have vowed never to pay a buyer's premium for any car. I wanted to get a Challenger when they come out next year, but they are going to list at $40K and probably have a premium on top of that!

I just got one for MSRP.

They also had a white one they were looking to sell and offered me 1500 below msrp.. I just did not like the white.

ORIGINAL: samjr

I just got one for MSRP.

They also had a white one they were looking to sell and offered me 1500 below msrp.. I just did not like the white.


Hmmm......interesting.........I could do white.......

really at MSRP, how did u do that? and where? if thats true ill leave 2morrow and get one myself!!!

Just came back from my dealer.
They had an 08 Hardtop GT500 for $47k sticker, after speaking with the salesman,
Dealer markup is $14k. He said they'll let it go for $8k over sticker.

Theives!

They are still sitting on their Shelby GT's ($37k)from MARCH, when I bought my used 06 V6 'vert from them.

ORIGINAL: MadManMoon

ORIGINAL: bad1032

30,000.00 mark up at the dealers in southern maryland, he owns 6 dealers in the area.


Is that Waldorf Ford? I laughed at them when I saw their 2 '08 GT500s marked up $30K over. I asked the sales manager what he's been getting, and he said he got $72K for a red with white stripe '08 about a month ago. Given that they've moved quite a few since late-'06, I can only believe 1 of 2 things: either the sales manager is lying about what he's really getting (definitely possible) or there are idiots not willing to look around the country to find a better deal. If you can pay MSRP, even if it costs $3K to have it shipped in a covered trailer, it's STILL a huge savings from what the metro DC dealers are looking for!

BTW, Waldorf Ford is still trying to charge a $5K markup on their 2007 Shelby GTs that aren't sold. Oops!


Alot of the dealerships leave the markup on the window but at this point nobody is selling'07's for more then $5k over MSRP and '08 are not going for more then 10-15k.I auditFord Dealerships so Iknow how much they go for. My friend is in the market for a GT500 and turned down 3K over because it was black and he doesn't want to deal with a black car. That paticular cars window was still asking $70k+. Believe me if you walked in and offered those guystwo grand under MSRP for those '07 Shelby GT's and were for real they would jump.

You guys can't fault the dealership for marking thesevehicles up. They should sell them for what they can get for them. Thats capitalism. You have to realize that this is one of the few places that these dealerships can make money. These specialty vehicles keep these dealerships afloat. Most of the Forddealerships I audit are operating at a loss.

Here's my beef with it. Ford produced a 500 hp car in which a middle class person could have purchased. Add 20k to it and only a person that doesn't mind wasting money could buy it. I would say that caters to the hi-end middle class to the wealthy. The majority of Ford's mustang lovers are middle class guys. Why would they allow a dealership to jack the price up that much? Add 20 more and you could have the ZOsick. What do you guys think of the regular Shelby GT's? I would have to say a poor attempt at trying to make a dollar on Shelby's name.

Again like I said, Ford has to protect its dealerships. Also how can Ford possibly explain to their stock holders that they are selling a car for 45k when in actuality they could get 80k(a year ago), 70k(8 months ago) or 55k now. Ford is losing billions every year and their dealerships are bleeding bad. How can an American possibly go against capitalism, which is what this. Supply and Demand.

Ford Produces XX,XXX GT500'sper year. They can sell all XX,XXX for say 60k. But they choose to sell them for 45K? Huh? Then you have a surplus of demand. So you could produce more, but that would be a huge fix cost commitment and if the demand subsides then they've screwed themselves. Plus pissed off every collector who were told by Ford thatit was a limited production specialty vehicle.

If you want to buy a GT500's for MSRP just wait, they will be there by mid '08, if you look hard and search dealers selling on ebay you can already pretty much get there.

i just got a offer for the gt500 in my area for $3000 over MSRP, what do u guys think about that, should i get it? and they are willing to order me one right from flat rock?

Another topic, i feel like if i pay this much for a car it will not just sit in the garage, this beast wants to be driven. any thoughts?

The problem with your logic is that we are talking about dealer markups and Ford Motor Co. has nothing to do with them, nor do they or the stockholders see any of this money. There isn't anything to explain. If this were the case then Ford would increase the MSRP (which FordMoCo doesn't get this amount either).

What would help save Ford (and the stockholders would appreciate) is if the company sold more vehicles.

I do not have any numbers, but I would be interested to see what total revenue is generated in the long run using the actual amount paid (markups for early buyers and discounts for late buyers) compared to the amount if all were sold at MSRP.


ORIGINAL: 83gtragtop

Again like I said, Ford has to protect its dealerships. Also how can Ford possibly explain to their stock holders that they are selling a car for 45k when in actuality they could get 80k(a year ago), 70k(8 months ago) or 55k now. Ford is losing billions every year and their dealerships are bleeding bad. How can an American possibly go against capitalism, which is what this. Supply and Demand.

Ford Produces XX,XXX GT500'sper year. They can sell all XX,XXX for say 60k. But they choose to sell them for 45K? Huh? Then you have a surplus of demand. So you could produce more, but that would be a huge fix cost commitment and if the demand subsides then they've screwed themselves. Plus pissed off every collector who were told by Ford thatit was a limited production specialty vehicle.

If you want to buy a GT500's for MSRP just wait, they will be there by mid '08, if you look hard and search dealers selling on ebay you can already pretty much get there.

ORIGINAL: Christovich

The problem with your logic is that we are talking about dealer markups and Ford Motor Co. has nothing to do with them, nor do they or the stockholders see any of this money. There isn't anything to explain. If this were the case then Ford would increase the MSRP (which FordMoCo doesn't get this amount either).

What would help save Ford (and the stockholders would appreciate) is if the company sold more vehicles.

I do not have any numbers, but I would be interested to see what total revenue is generated in the long run using the actual amount paid (markups for early buyers and discounts for late buyers) compared to the amount if all were sold at MSRP.


ORIGINAL: 83gtragtop

Again like I said, Ford has to protect its dealerships. Also how can Ford possibly explain to their stock holders that they are selling a car for 45k when in actuality they could get 80k(a year ago), 70k(8 months ago) or 55k now. Ford is losing billions every year and their dealerships are bleeding bad. How can an American possibly go against capitalism, which is what this. Supply and Demand.

Ford Produces XX,XXX GT500'sper year. They can sell all XX,XXX for say 60k. But they choose to sell them for 45K? Huh? Then you have a surplus of demand. So you could produce more, but that would be a huge fix cost commitment and if the demand subsides then they've screwed themselves. Plus pissed off every collector who were told by Ford thatit was a limited production specialty vehicle.

If you want to buy a GT500's for MSRP just wait, they will be there by mid '08, if you look hard and search dealers selling on ebay you can already pretty much get there.



It actually does help Ford alot if they're dealerships make money. First off though many Ford Dealers are private, Ford Motors has a stake inmany others. Ford has a very large Dealer Development program. Ford will take majority ownership(in most cases) in the dealership and when ever the dealership makes money they are required to send 50% of profits to Ford in a dividend payment. With the remainder of the money the dealer is required to pay off a percentage of Fords ownership. Thats why I said I audit Ford Dealers. Normally a private Ford dealer does not require an audit, but because they are partially owned by Ford (public company) all the DD stores require an audit. Ford use to generate lots of revenue from this program and now it is a losing business.

Also obviously the better the dealers do, the more revenue they generate, the bigger the inventory they stock. Because dealers have been struggling, Ford has had to lower the invoice prices on vehicles to widen the dealers profit margin. Ford has to help their dealers because they can not afford to lose key markets, which is what happens when a dealer shuts down.

83gt,
Thank you for explaining that. I was under the impression that all dealers were independent of Ford. Do you know what percentage of dealerships are partially owned by Ford?

I would still be interested in seeing a revenue breakdown based on markups/discounts and retail.

ORIGINAL: marlon1

too much invested in mine to trade anyway, have 3 grand worth of parts in garage now
just waiting for rest to come in


theres never enough money invested for not trading for a GT500. ;)

if they are at sticker in mid 08 i might buy one. i dont know yet but its a definate possibility. i just wouldnt pay 60k plus on one when i see the sticker price. economy right now is bad so you may get them for sticker soon enough.

A dealership in Loganville, GA called yesterday to say he has to get rid of a white GT500 that's been sitting on the lot. He will sell it for MSRP; out the door for a little under 50k. The prices will come down as 83gtragtop pointed out. I think there are to many variables to say it would definitely hurt or help Ford by pricing them the way the dealerships have. It just sucks for the enthusiast that can not afford to take a 60k hit on a 44k car. I will probably get this one but now it's got me thinking to wait until they come down towards invoice.

At one time, I thought about trading in my GT/CS for a GT500but then I thought...Is it really worth it? I'll be paying over 20k more...and for what? An extra 200 HP?A different front fascia (rear is same as GT/CS)? 6 speed tranny? Different spoiler &hood? The interior would be pretty much the same. I'll still be in a mustang. Now if it was a totally different car then maybe it'll be worth it. I can't see spending an extra 20k to own something I already own...A MUSTANG.

Yeah, I am gonna have to disagree with you on this one. The GT500 is a different beast. I had an 06 GT and I just picked up the 500 last night. It turns every head in every car. The CS does not. You state 200 horsepower difference but with pulley change, tune, cai I should get at least 100rwhp over stock. The dealership is so happy that I will be driving it daily. The owner stated that he has not sold one yet that was going to be driven daily. I rarely see these on the road and when I do I spot it from the other side of the interstate. 20k more is worth it and the insurance is only 460 every 6 mos.

I just got my 08 GT500 delivered last night. I paid MSRP and got almost exactly what I wanted. I wanted Vista Blue with White racing stripes and all the options. I got Vista Blue with no stripes, yet I found out that the stripes are Vinyl so I am glad I got it stripe delete as I will get the stripes painted on. I live in Buffalo, NY and it took me 4 phone calls in December to find a dealer selling Vista Blue Coupe's to sell me one for MSRP. I did not haggle, I just said to the sales guy that I am looking for a GT500 in Vista Blue at MSRP. They called me back in 10 minutes and said they would sell it. Originally they got me a 7.9% finanace rate, I was not thrilled with it and I was confident that the GT500 would be easily gotten for sticker later on. I turned them down. Then they sent me an email that they would sell the car with $5000 down at 5.9%. So I said Ok and now I am no longer a player in the GT500 market. Be patient and don't settle. There are plenty of these cars out there and they are sitting on dealers lots. Remember Dealers lose money with the car sitting, you make money while the money is in your bank. If you always keep this thought process you will be a better negotiator. Dealers job is to sell cars, if they dont sell cars they make no money, actually they lose money due to over head etc. This kind of car is a luxury item not a need. Hold out and get what you want for the amount you wish to pay.
I did and I got what I wanted for the amount I wanted to pay.

It would be great if you guys could give the Dealer and locations sellling @ MSRP
This would help patronize the dealers seeling for MSRP and force the price gougers to stop being so greedy. It is a free maket but the Harley market was the same way until an MSRP list starting making tis rounds. Now look they are competitive

ORIGINAL: marlon1

local dealer has ad in paper selling 2008 gt500's at sticker with no markup
just wondering what they are selling for elsewhere

Mine listed for $48000, got it for $50,500 in Las Vegas. That was after 2 hours of haggling. I don't know anyone selling MSRP, and I've looked. Look how long the car has been on the lot. After 60 days they start paying rent so they'll be more willing to deal.

ORIGINAL: marlon1

local dealer has ad in paper selling 2008 gt500's at sticker with no markup
just wondering what they are selling for elsewhere


So who is this dealer?

I got mine at the Loganville, GA for under 50k tax tag title. I actually paid a small amount under msrp.

about 7k markup on the south suburbs of chicago.

I had to wait 1 plus years to get mine, In 07 they were going for $75000.00-$80000.00 here, Finally got my 08 for dead sticker!!

But the dealer here Campbell Ford is still trying for 10+15 over!!

just have to be patient...its funny...its like being married...when you are married, more offers come your way.....now that I am buying one at $500 below msrp in 8 days....I am getting phone calls from dealers offering up gt500 at msrp....just be patient and shop away....

WAIT!!! Why would you buy now with a perfect storm coming for below MSRP pricing.

1. Bad economy
2. Gas Prices
3. Challenger going on sale
4. Camaro coming.

Let the first shots of the muscle car war be fired.

The basic invoice on a 500 is about 38K before guzzler tax and a few other small items.i don't think they are going to move a whole lot further on the base models like the one I bought as there is more mark up in heavily optioned cars.I would have waited but summer is here and the time was right and so was the car.I see where you are coming from though.I don't see any rebates or huge markdowns on the GT500 because a lot of people who buy them pay cash and aren't as concerned about the price as a broke bastard like me is!Only time will tell.

ORIGINAL: what396

WAIT!!! Why would you buy now with a perfect storm coming for below MSRP pricing.

1. Bad economy
2. Gas Prices
3. Challenger going on sale
4. Camaro coming.

Let the first shots of the muscle car war be fired.


you know what....you could be right...however....what if 80+ year old shelby died tomorrow. hmm...do you think dealers would allow the prices to drop....your points are valid. But still allot of what ifs......
1. economy is going to recover...so that cant be the driving factor for price going down. Economy cars will go up, but we are a society of have and have nots....as long as the haves can afford the sports cars of tomorrow...then they will buy them,,more than likely the hybrid and econo cars prices will go up as the demand goes up..I dont see that driving the price of the gt500 down though as they are still not a mainstream car and are more of a rarity than the GT etc...

2. gas prices...as high as they are, we are still well below the global avg. until we change our total habits this will not be a factor on the immediate term consumer..people will buy their toys....then also save money in other ways...see above point

3. Challenger: Yeah have you seen the intro to market price on those??? the markup on them is 15-20k over..they are selling pre orders at 60k++: By the time they become COMPETETIVE with the GT500 pricing the gt500 will no longer be made

4. Camaro.....ok before we use this example..lets see if chevy agrees on a concrete launch date yet..09,10?? last thing on them is 2010 with first models in production in first quarter 09...so see above point..15-20 k markup....then by the time pricing is straightened out...gt500 will be done model wise...

I think if you can get a gt500 for msrp or slightly below so be it..for me I am getting mine for $500 below msrp then a few toys on top of that thrown in...(Tint, stinger axel backs) so in essence I am below msrp the rest of the GT500s on the lot are listing on there web site for stick but go to the lot and they are marked up (market adjustment) for 20k more...will they get that...probably not anymore....and they realize that....however...you never know..someone is willing to pay it...then you sell it...shop around and you will find them....but be patient and realize anything at msrp for these cars is still a great deal....get it at INVOICE and holy sheeyat...you hit oil....I tried with mine and was laughed at.....dont count on other cars driving the gt500 market....

I paid 2K under sticker for mine about two months ago. However, don't get too comfortable thinking these cars will continue to go down. Ford just announced the official production numbers for 09, which is 3,000, that's it folks. No more S197 GT500's. I wouldn't be surprised if these start going back up again. Especially if they don't make another GT500 when the 2010 Mustang comes out. So if you are on the fence, I would act now. A little time and effort and you can find one for MSRP (just might have to travel or have it shipped).

Picking mine up on Friday, 08 GT500 vista blue/white stripe, paid below MSRP.

ORIGINAL: oldschoolera

Picking mine up on Friday, 08 GT500 vista blue/white stripe, paid below MSRP.



BELOW MSRP?? CONGRATS!! How did you manage to get that?:D

I picked up mine last Saturday. The dealer wanted $2250 over but he gave me $2500 over from what my original dealer wanted to give for my trade on an 09. With the price increase for 09, my trade in and the dealer asking price, I am still about $400-500 ahead on the 09 deal. You can find them for MSRP but you have to be patient and time is running out.

The production run for 09 is only 3,000 units. Many of the small dealers are not going to get one while the larger dealers are getting more of their fair share. With the limited run for 09, I am expecting the prices to start going up again. Ford will start building the 09 models real shortly and they are going to end the 09 Mustangs at the end of January. This brings out the 2010 Mustangs about the same time the Camaro and Challenger start hitting the lots. Challenger is already getting their shake with the 6,000 that have been pre-ordered and are sold. Of course they put out the one with most HP first to cash in on GT500 band wagon. I suspect Camaro will be the same.

I say that now is the time to get your GT500 if you can even get close to MSRP.

i bought mine on monday..... dealer wanted 59k, after a long while i walked out with it at 46,000 according to the sticker price on the car it was 47,680 .... but if i didnt call around and go to a few dealerships i would have never touched it... 2 dealers wanted 60-70k for theirs and then the other 2 dealerships i went to wanted 13k over sticker... then i finally found one... was a good drive away but well worth it.

ive seen 50-60ish i hope i can find a decent price... im considering gt500/roush stage 3/bullitt w/ s/c

I found on cars.com numerous Ford dealers listing at MSRP and sent an email to two of the dealers to inquire if they were selling at the list price. Both informed me that they were not sure who posted at that price but since it was listed for sale on the internet at MSRP that they would sell at that price. The second dealer was about $2500 above the first but also had some extra equipment not on the first. The second reduced the price on their car to $100 below the first. The first ended up selling the car without getting back to me to finalize the deal. It worked out just fine since the second was lower anyway and both cars are vista blue with white stripe.I had to drive and extra hour and a half to get to the dealership over where the first was located but that gave me more time to drive the new car. Ihave itat home in the garage now with a total of 270 miles on the odometer. It was a blast to drive andIcould not believe along the way all the stares, thumbs up and waves from total strangers. A lot of Mustang and GT 500 fans out there!

I think many of the Ford dealers in theMid Atlantic states (excluding Northern Va and Maryland) are selling at orslightly above MSRP.Sales are down and I think some of them are just anxious to move some cars. Any wantingthe contact information for either of the dealerships I worked with should feel free to contact me.

ORIGINAL: oldschoolera

Picking mine up on Friday, 08 GT500 vista blue/white stripe, paid below MSRP.

great color choice....got mine for $500 below msrp....good luck with it...

I was at Walker Ford in Clearwater FL, and they 2GT500 coupes for msrp one red white stripes and the other vapor black stripes the internet guy Micheal Geraci Ph no.727-418-6655 both car has iup, sat. radioand amb, lights sticker around $46,000.00

ORIGINAL: marlon1

local dealer has ad in paper selling 2008 gt500's at sticker with no markup
just wondering what they are selling for elsewhere


Most dealerships here have at least one or two in stock. It's the bullitts that are hard to find. Eitherway they are all at Sticker... Only marked up cars are those that the dealer has modded either with FRPP packages, body kits, or wheels.

Phoenix, AZ area.

ORIGINAL: JOHNNY

I was at Walker Ford in Clearwater FL, and they 2GT500 coupes for msrp one red white stripes and the other vapor black stripes the internet guy Micheal Geraci Ph no.727-418-6655 both car has iup, sat. radioand amb, lights sticker around $46,000.00

as a follow up. My friend called them and they advised him that they are selling them for $3500 over msrp....I told my buddy to go there and talk to them, as sometimes they weed out the non-serious buyers by advising that...he is going to go tomorrow and see...

Sorry guy was jusy informed in order to get the price on the g/t 500 you have to talk to micheal in the internet department or they will tell 3500.00 over it is a internet special.727-418-6655

Out here in Los Angeles, even though they are marked up on the window, the sales managers have told me that they will put up a fight but let it go at sticker.

ORIGINAL: marlon1

local dealer has ad in paper selling 2008 gt500's at sticker with no markup
just wondering what they are selling for elsewhere


I was just notified of these at MSRP. I purchased mine in June 08 from this dealership.

I have just been authorized to sell both of our Shelby Mustangs at invoice cost. Most dealers havebeen selling these cars for $5000or more over the MSRP.

Stock # F8753 - The first one is a Torch Red 500 horsepower Shelby GT500 convertible:

http://images.gs.reyrey.com/Images/BU_402100640/Picture%20029.jpg

I can sell this one for $47,396.
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Stock # F8770
The second car is a Vista Blue Shelby GT. This car is produced by Ford and then shipped to the Shelby plant in California.
http://images.gs.reyrey.com/Images/BU_402100640/Picture%20031.jpg

http://images.gs.reyrey.com/Images/BU_402100640/Picture%20033.jpg

I can sell this one for $36,985.

Don't miss this tremendous opportunity to save big on one of the hottest cars Ford has ever produced.

Don't want a Shelby. During our Mustang sale we will sell any Mustang at invoice less the rebate. The current rebate in most areas is $1,500 plus get an extra $500 off if you finance with Ford Credit. On top of that if you own a 98 or newer Ford you get an extra $2000 off! For example - stock # F8741 Mustang GT DeluxeMSRP $29,380 - your special internet sale price $23,457 after rebate, Ford credit financing and owner loyalty. That saves you almost $6,000!

Please let me know if you should have any questions or if there is a time when you might want to stop by and take a look at them.

Thank you,


Bowie Clift
Internet Manager
(540) 381-8417 Ext. 4715
Toll Free (877) 474-3567
bclift@shelor.com (bclift@shelor.com)
www.shelor.com (http://www.shelor.com/)

ORIGINAL: CH53Driver

...Especially if they don't make another GT500 when the 2010 Mustang comes out....


obviously you haven't seen the spy photos of the new Shelby with the Cobra in the grille, the Cobra on the steering wheel, and the nice Shelby lettering.... :D