RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and turbos
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/8/2008 8:57:58 PM
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suoperdave84
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Thanks for the compliment RedGTyl. Wait till you see the hood I am getting for it. Tufiber Venom.
And I see you are fed up with Bush as well (but not for the usual reasons). I appreciate his strength when it comes to the middle east but this energy bill and a few other things have got me pulling my hair out. He's got a lot of people hating the Right and I believe that the hatred for him here in Maryland is what got us our Communist Governor Martin O'Malley. Talk about rage. I can't stand this blue state anymore.
Your welcome!
And I feel your pain brotha I live in California!  its like muscle car hell. long tubes are illegal! The people in power over here are blithering idiots.  Yea I was a bush supporter up untill recently. I too appreciated his strength on foriegn policy but as of late I'm not sure I trust him on that either. What I dont understand is how he keeps trying to be mr. nice guy. The Democrats will always hate him and now because he is such a weak conservative, the republican base is pissed off at him too. It seems that some might even sit out the next election which would surely concede the presidency to the Democrats (who will be even more strict on emissions). How are the emissions laws in maryland?
I agree with your view of the current state of things in the Convervative world. As you can see we have some real idiots on the Left screwing things up too...some of them apparently own Mustangs and have a real hatred for anyone who believes they are entitled to money they earn....people who feel that giving up tax money equals love of country.
But enough about him.
Emissions here are not nearly like over there in CA. They are kind of strict but the people doing the actual emissions tests don't really care about their job. I took my truck in a few years ago and I actually watched it fail on the computer screen, and then they handed me a paper that said I passed. The next time I took it in they didn't even do any test at all...they just drove it over the roller and handed me the paper.
Not sure who to get behind in the race. Romney I think. You?
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/8/2008 10:47:48 PM
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Every manufacturer is being affected by these stricter mpg raitings...the Corvette will soon be scaled back and make less power because of these restrictions...Ford's australian market already sees pretty fast turbo V6's with the Ford branding that are competing with Holden and their GTO/V8 cars...I guess it was only a matter of time when Ford would make the switch...Also to say that the boosted cars are already at their limits peformance wise is a farse...this should not be a blanket statement...every car has limitations regardless of how much power is being pushed by the manufacturer...I've seen plenty of boosted cars push well beyond what the factory was getting fromt them...i.e. 03/04 cobra or the GT500...hopefully when ford makes this move they will build the engines strong like they did for the Cobra and GT500 and people will make awesome power...if I am not mistaken even some of the stock evo motors could crank some serious power before problems would arise...
+1, factory boosted cars always has more room for power than NA ones 'cause the blocks usually comes very strong from factory due to warranry concerns. A friend of mine has a 2006 Evo that runs 12.4s, daily driven with 4 mods only (Clutch, down pipe+cat back, Intercooler, BOV) then dialed the boost to 18psi and all that on pump gas. A normal re-tune on boosted motors gains alot more power than a re-tune on NA motors.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 12:36:19 AM
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Even with these new laws and restrictions coming in the near future (thanks Bush) we will find a way to keep the V-8 like they always have ....remember in the 80's the same thing happened and if I remember correctly the mustang had a V-8 the whole time.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 1:54:20 AM
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Even with these new laws and restrictions coming in the near future (thanks Bush) we will find a way to keep the V-8 like they always have ....remember in the 80's the same thing happened and if I remember correctly the mustang had a V-8 the whole time.
I hope so....but you know what...I already have my Mustang and I plan to keep it. The next body style is going to be flawed I think, so this is th eone to own. And like I said earlier I will just buy an old car in the future if they start turning these V8 cars into lawnmowers.
When the bill was signed they were saying on TV that the Corvette might be finished too. Sad to see it go if that happens. These cars are American Legends....but so is the Prius* now I guess. Sad times we live in.
*YES I know the Prius is not an American car
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 6:51:19 AM
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I agree with your view of the current state of things in the Convervative world. As you can see we have some real idiots on the Left screwing things up too...some of them apparently own Mustangs and have a real hatred for anyone who believes they are entitled to money they earn....people who feel that giving up tax money equals love of country.
But enough about him.
Emissions here are not nearly like over there in CA. They are kind of strict but the people doing the actual emissions tests don't really care about their job. I took my truck in a few years ago and I actually watched it fail on the computer screen, and then they handed me a paper that said I passed. The next time I took it in they didn't even do any test at all...they just drove it over the roller and handed me the paper.
Not sure who to get behind in the race. Romney I think. You?
Wow thats pretty cool! I wish it was like that here. The emissions people here actually do their job. Although I hear there are places that you can pay alittle extra to have a non compliant car pass. If you know what I mean.  That will probably be the route I take to get my car to pass when I get long tubes. Good news is that I only have smog once every 5 years.
In regards to the conversation about the end of the Corvette and V8's in general. I just dont think people will stand for that sort of thing. The Corvette is an american icon as well as the Mustang. I think the car companies will figure out a way just to make our V8's more fuel efficient and or produce less emissions. Thats a technology worth investing in. For me its not just the speed of the mustang its the V8 itself that makes our cars great. No engine can produce such a beautiful yet manly sound as a V8. Also no other type of engine has the same torque curve characteristics. Hell I'd rather they detune our V8 engines than give us a powerful V6. V6's just arent the same. Then we can just tune our engines back up! thats why we have the after market. I mean who on this forum leaves their Mustang stock anyway?
With respect to gas milage, maybe the answer is cylinder deactivation in cruise? Hey I dont mind not running on all 8 cylinders if it means I can save some gas on the highway. I daily drive my mustang. However there needs to be a switch that locks in full time V8 mode for "spirited driving"
As for candidates, I like Guiliani because of his record on fighting crime as NY's district attorney and his no BS attitude. Plus I know he'll be strong on foriegn policy. I know hes not the most conservate but I like how he doesnt pander to voters like the others. He just tells it how it is. I would say Romney is a close second because of this strong conservative and free market economic views.
However I'm curious on the candidates views on this latest emissions bill and the whole subject in general. that could swing my vote.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 7:25:02 AM
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The issue is gasoline and oil supply gentlemen.
The V-8 will not go anywhere soon, they will make it more energy efficient with Natural , Gas, Propane, Displacement on Demand etc.
In the next 2 years, face it, gas will be at least $3.50 pergallon min in Suburban Comunities,
$3.65 in Major Cities.
Oil is no longer $ .69-.99 cent a quart.
1.Alot of US companies are outsourcing to foreign nations to save money resulting in less good paying jobs in the USA.
2. Min wage has not went up, but the cost of living has.
3.This war has cost us alot of money gas and oil ,.
4.EPA Laws are getting strict for cars, when its Industries, causing the problems.
Do to the economy and gasoline, alot of changes are gonna have to be made to survive.
And if your not making $35,000 or bove a year, you'll SOON be at poverty level.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:08:57 AM
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The issue is gasoline and oil supply gentlemen.
The V-8 will not go anywhere soon, they will make it more energy efficient with Natural , Gas, Propane, Displacement on Demand etc.
In the next 2 years, face it, gas will be at least $3.50 pergallon min in Suburban Comunities,
$3.65 in Major Cities.
Oil is no longer $ .69-.99 cent a quart.
1.Alot of US companies are outsourcing to foreign nations to save money resulting in less good paying jobs in the USA.
2. Min wage has not went up, but the cost of living has.
3.This war has cost us alot of money gas and oil ,.
4.EPA Laws are getting strict for cars, when its Industries, causing the problems.
Do to the economy and gasoline, alot of changes are gonna have to be made to survive.
And if your not making $35,000 or bove a year, you'll SOON be at poverty level.
what do you mean gas will be that high? it already has been that high.. expect $4 in 2 years not too many good paying jobs are outsourced to foreign countries...
2. min wage has gone up, but doesn't reflect the cost of living increase + inflation properly but thats fine, im against a min wage.
4. agree sort of.. ive seen big cities with no real industry nearby but tons of smog because of cars.. (phoenix, not saying they don't have pollutants other than cars, but i think that is their main source, also since they dont really have any mass transport)
35k is proverty in many areas already.. 35k is a lot in some areas too (the South mainly, where you can still buy a decent house for like 100k)
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:31:55 AM
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I agree with your view of the current state of things in the Convervative world. As you can see we have some real idiots on the Left screwing things up too...some of them apparently own Mustangs and have a real hatred for anyone who believes they are entitled to money they earn....people who feel that giving up tax money equals love of country.
Get over yourself. You obviously aren't doing too bad. You have a GT with more than a handful of mod's. How much do you even pay for taxes? Do you really think you need that extra money so you can put it into your car? Some stupid lady in an SUV is probably gonna rearend the damn thing at some point in time anyways... I love my mustang, no doubt about it, and I have a v-8 (surprise surprise), but the future is going to slap you in the face whether you come screaming or not.
Please, for the love of God, will you answer if you see this connection: You support the mustang, you pay for the mustang. Therefore, you support the country, you help pay for things that the country represents. No matter what you do, taxes aren't going to go away. FACE IT, nothing will stop them, if not income based, they will become sales based. THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.
And finally, answer the damn question, will your mustang be able to beat a 6 cylinder grand national that has as much money as you put into your stang? HELLL NOOOO
Don't parade around the issue and answer the damn questions, you can't keep running from problems forever.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:35:03 AM
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Displacement on demand I could probably live with, as long as the technology is reliable and not intrusive.
But it'll be a much tougher sell to get me interested in turbocharging, if not a downright impossibility. I just don't care for the fact that it introduces some nonlinearity between my intentions and the end result. I can (and should) plan my line through a corner before I'm actually in it, but I think it's asking a little too much to also have to plan on adding throttle in anticipation of some variable amounts of lag and actual boost.
Single-issue pressure groups annoy me just by their existence, as they apparently refuse to believe that any other issue is as important as their own. What needs to be done is to drag all the "greenies", "safety nazis", and fuel economy knee-jerk artists kicking and screaming into the same room and not let any of them out until they can all see the other points of view and agree that everybody needs to make a few compromises.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:36:48 AM
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what do you mean gas will be that high? it already has been that high.. expect $4 in 2 years not too many good paying jobs are outsourced to foreign countries...
2. min wage has gone up, but doesn't reflect the cost of living increase + inflation properly but thats fine, im against a min wage.
4. agree sort of.. ive seen big cities with no real industry nearby but tons of smog because of cars.. (phoenix, not saying they don't have pollutants other than cars, but i think that is their main source, also since they dont really have any mass transport)
35k is proverty in many areas already.. 35k is a lot in some areas too (the South mainly, where you can still buy a decent house for like 100k)
Im sorry but the bold sums it up right here, this is absolute proof of why conservatives have a problem. It is always about themselves and never about others. You could have 9 ferrari's and you would still want more. You're against the minimum wage huh? Well what about the other half of the country that survives off of them? But its okay, they can go **** themselves right....
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:41:32 AM
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Meh, I could care less really. When I'm in the market to buy a car, I'll buy what appeals to me, its as simple as that.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:56:04 AM
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As some have stated above, I don't think the V8 will die entirely as long as internal combustion engines are being mass produced. I DO think we will see smaller displacement V8's in the not so distant future. Don't be surprised if in a decade or two the Mustang V8 is around 4 liters or so. There will always be a demand for a rumbling V8. By putting more fuel efficient 4 and 6 cylinder engines in the majority of vehicles, auto makers boost their average fuel economy, so that a Mustang V8 is still plausible.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 8:59:37 AM
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I can't type/edit fast enough to keep up
kyle2k - and when it all comes down to income vs the cost of living - the tax-and-spend / spend-and-tax liberals are better in what legitimate respect? That the consequences tend to be delayed?
I doubt that all conservatives are against minimum wage. Certainly not those who have held jobs at or near that level for any reason. If you're truly a conservative, you believe that there are limits on what government should get involved in, not that you automatically become one at some level of income or privilege or stop being one and become a liberal if your situation changes in the other direction.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 9:10:42 AM
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I agree with your view of the current state of things in the Convervative world. As you can see we have some real idiots on the Left screwing things up too...some of them apparently own Mustangs and have a real hatred for anyone who believes they are entitled to money they earn....people who feel that giving up tax money equals love of country.
Get over yourself. You obviously aren't doing too bad. You have a GT with more than a handful of mod's. How much do you even pay for taxes? Do you really think you need that extra money so you can put it into your car? Some stupid lady in an SUV is probably gonna rearend the damn thing at some point in time anyways... I love my mustang, no doubt about it, and I have a v-8 (surprise surprise), but the future is going to slap you in the face whether you come screaming or not.
Please, for the love of God, will you answer if you see this connection: You support the mustang, you pay for the mustang. Therefore, you support the country, you help pay for things that the country represents. No matter what you do, taxes aren't going to go away. FACE IT, nothing will stop them, if not income based, they will become sales based. THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.
And finally, answer the damn question, will your mustang be able to beat a 6 cylinder grand national that has as much money as you put into your stang? HELLL NOOOO
Don't parade around the issue and answer the damn questions, you can't keep running from problems forever.
I am going to try to be civil here, even though you have cursed at me.
I am not against taxes. I understand we need Fire, Police, Roads, Hospitals...all of that. Here in Maryland the people threw out our Republican Gov. who had a surplus of cash on hand...and replaced him with a Gov. that just raised taxes on every single Marylander by $1222. That means oif you are single, you owe an additional $1222. If you have a family of 5, you owe an additional $6110....that's in ADDITION to what we have already been paying. The Government already takes about 30% of what we earn off the top...then there's property tax (which we have to pay on somethng we already OWN, every year...several thousand dollars) Then there's the death tax....the government takes 60% of what you try to leave to your children as inheritance....that is outright stealing from the American People.
It all comes down to this. You don't have any right to decide how charitable or selfish I am with the money I earn. I don't have any right to tell you how to live or what to do with your money....and I DON'T. I believe you are free to do whatever you wish as long as you are obeying laws and not harming anyone.
I also believe you are responsible for your own successes and failures. This is what true Conservatives think. I want all people to succeed, but not on my dime. It's up to me to make things go my way. It's up to everyone else to make things go their way. It's not selfish, it's sensible.
If you punish successful people, they stop trying to succeed....if you reward the lazy, you create a class of people who think the successful people owe them something.
I know I'm not going to change your mind, but you seem to think of anyone who has different views than your own stupid. I didn't call you stupid, I only called you a liberal. You made it clear that you were so I don't see why you are so offended.
Will my car beat a Grand National? When I Procharge it it will.
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RE: End of the V-8? Ford bets on direct injection and t... - 1/9/2008 9:18:33 AM
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The issue is gasoline and oil supply gentlemen.
The V-8 will not go anywhere soon, they will make it more energy efficient with Natural , Gas, Propane, Displacement on Demand etc.
In the next 2 years, face it, gas will be at least $3.50 pergallon min in Suburban Comunities,
$3.65 in Major Cities.
Oil is no longer $ .69-.99 cent a quart.
1.Alot of US companies are outsourcing to foreign nations to save money resulting in less good paying jobs in the USA.
2. Min wage has not went up, but the cost of living has.
3.This war has cost us alot of money gas and oil ,.
4.EPA Laws are getting strict for cars, when its Industries, causing the problems.
Do to the economy and gasoline, alot of changes are gonna have to be made to survive.
And if your not making $35,000 or bove a year, you'll SOON be at poverty level.
Good point. Another reason we have to pay such high gas prices is because of the high price of foriegn oil and lack of gasoline refineries. To my knowledge, there hasnt been a new refineries built since the 1970s. The reason for this is the eviromental crowd screams bloody murder and holds any new refinery contrustion up in court. The american oil companies dont really mind because they can just produce less (costs them less) and just charge us more. Americans are getting hosed. Also I hear we have PLENTY of oil here in the US but we cant drill because, Yes our friends the eviromentalists have prevented any such drilling. For exampleThat would be the answer right there. Its plain and simple.
1. Drill for our own oil. Indendent. Tell OPEC and hugo chavez to go pound sand.
2. Build newer, cleaner, more efficient oil refineries.
It would be nice to see a person in power say that stuff rather than all this green bs. We need real solutions. I'm all for alternative energy. we need to continue to work on that. but for now. our economy depends oil. We have a tone of it. lets use it.
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