Why does everyone around here mock the gto? I have seen m6 ls1 gto's hitting low 13's 13.3 or so in the 1/4 and ls2 goats hitting 13.00. Seems like respectable times to me. IMHO, many inexperienced drivers buy these (manuals) and can't launch them worth a ****. This is the main cause of the horrible times many gto;s have seen. Any thoughts?

Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.

ya, kind of a pointless post.

ive seen s197 gts in the 15s, even some gt500s in the 15s

basically the styling is very 90s, and its overweight. those are my reasons.

Sure...here's my thought. They're ugly as sin. They look like a half eaten apple. Like a bigger, heavier, more powerful rear drive Cavalier. But that's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong I like high end F-bodies, vettes, old musclecars, rear drive rice,Stangs of course,but to me the designers of the GTO dropped their pants and stepped on their dicks with that one, fast or not. Just my two cents...:D

Oh, I forgot to mention in my post that I don't hate GTOs, I was just giving reasons other people hate them.


I actually kind of like 'em, and the interiors are SOOOO much nicer than the ones in Mustangs

I love GTOs. Take a LS2 M6 GTO with some LCAs and a good set of DRs, and you all in the mid 12s. They tried to mix a good ride with the 400hp and they ended up with car that sucks on the launch. Easy fix, none the less.

Its a 400hp rear drive cavalier. I think its pretty unfair to call it a goat. And like qatar said, those are respectable times for a 300hp car not 400. I really like the ass sag look they have, like they have trunks full of cement (or something of a similar weight).[sm=pcwhack.gif]

I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....
Well said bro. Subjective is right. Some guys say my notch is the ugliest bodystyle ever while others praise them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and beauty, second only mostly to performance is what puts different asses in different seats. For me the goat is just a little too...rotund. But again that's just me ;).

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....
Well said bro. Subjective is right. Some guys say my notch is the ugliest bodystyle ever while others praise them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and beauty, second only mostly to performance is what puts different asses in different seats.


+1,000,000,000
Well stated by both of you guys!

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....



this sums it up quite nicely very good post....


I actually plan on buying one once im in the USAF....I lik them.

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....


I totally agree. I remember driving one when I was looking at new cars, and I know if I'd had 22,000.00 I would have bought it right there and then. That LS2 is amazing, and I have always wanted a six speed.

I dont understand why people hate all these cars. Personally, I love all cars, including imports, chevy's and mopars. why there has to be anything other than friendly competition is beyond me

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....


I totally agree. I remember driving one when I was looking at new cars, and I know if I'd had 22,000.00 I would have bought it right there and then. That LS2 is amazing, and I have always wanted a six speed.

I dont understand why people hate all these cars. Personally, I love all cars, including imports, chevy's and mopars. why there has to be anything other than friendly competition is beyond me

I'm in total agreement. If you like a car you like it, not hate it cause it's in direct comparison with what you have. I personally just don't like it's look much but I can't deny it's performance and well roundedness. Just that if I had that same 22K, I'd go the SS SLP route. Apples, oranges, they're all good...

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....



this sums it up quite nicely very good post....


I actually plan on buying one once im in the USAF....I lik them.




Hah, I was planning on buying one when I first joined the Air Force, too. I bought a 350Z instead......:D[8D][&o]

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....


I totally agree. I remember driving one when I was looking at new cars, and I know if I'd had 22,000.00 I would have bought it right there and then. That LS2 is amazing, and I have always wanted a six speed.

I dont understand why people hate all these cars. Personally, I love all cars, including imports, chevy's and mopars. why there has to be anything other than friendly competition is beyond me

I'm in total agreement. If you like a car you like it, not hate it cause it's in direct comparison with what you have. I personally just don't like it's look much but I can't deny it's performance and well roundedness. Just that if I had that same 22K, I'd go the SS SLP route. Apples, oranges, they're all good...


I know, people just get too caught up in brand loyalty. I was actually looking to buy a ls1 or ls2, I really wanted one, but I came across my GT with 26k invested with only 10k on the clock, for a mere 14k, I just couldn't pass it up

Overweight? With a few mods my friend's 06 M6 GTO weighed 36XX with us out of it. DOT scales.

Well, the05+ GT'srun a BEST of 13.3 or so and the GTO's have run in the 12's. THey average 3-5mph more trap speed and .3-.5 faster. Or in my terms, I am dead = with a 6.0 GTO and 05+ GT's are cake even in the wrong gear after I reach 5K rpm.

The GTO is a bad car, and if you have ever been in one that extra weight you all whine about went to GREAT! use. Now the GT500 at a crown vic-esque 2 tonnes is superflous in it's allotment of weight. But we won't go there.

The GTO is a great car.

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Overweight? With a few mods my friend's 06 M6 GTO weighed 36XX with us out of it. DOT scales.

Well, the05+ GT'srun a BEST of 13.3 or so and the GTO's have run in the 12's. THey average 3-5mph more trap speed and .3-.5 faster. Or in my terms, I am dead = with a 6.0 GTO and 05+ GT's are cake even in the wrong gear after I reach 5K rpm.

The GTO is a bad car, and if you have ever been in one that extra weight you all whine about went to GREAT! use. Now the GT500 at a crown vic-esque 2 tonnes is superflous in it's allotment of weight. But we won't go there.

The GTO is a great car.


To each his own.

So in retrospect, there no reason to ask why things are the way they are. No one is going to change anyone opinion about the GTO so lets leave it at that.

I love the GTO and the Mustang. They are VERY different applications of a similar quest. The GTO does it all better, stock, and the Mustang does 90% of it, while looking better, which to me, and many others means more.

I had a hot looking car when I got the goat, and now I have the goat and the stang. No doubt, the mustang is the looker, but the GTO has the power.

80's mustangs and escorts look similar, but you dont' see me hating.

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Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



+1 They are also the most bland performance car i've ever seen.

The biggest reasoning behind all of the hate is peoples opinions of what looks good. To some the retro Mustang is sweet to others it was best left dead. As for performance the GTO does everything the Mustnag does but better.

What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model. GM owns Holden and just wanted to cash in on a current design. They did the same thing with the Cadillac Catera, Chevy Cobalt/Saturn ION chassis, new sedans and the new Pontiac G8. What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added. The European versions also all used a 235 tire and GM thought that was to narrow and added the 245, which with a slightly off alingment can cause issues due to tight clearances.


I had a 2006 LS2 GTO for exactly one year before trading up to my C6. It was a fun car and changed alot of peoples opinions pertaining to the weight vs power talk. The only thing I really disliked about the car was the suspension. It handled better than my Mach1 suspensioned 2003 GT but not as good as my Camaro SS's.

As for power it easily made the 3682lbs car move from 0-60 in 4.7 seconds and a best 1/4 of 13.03 @ 110mph. Take a look at what was available in 2006 for $30,000 and that pretty good performance!

Anyone who calls these cars overweight really need to go weigh there GT one day. For what you getI will gladly take the 200lb weight addition.



As for weak points:
- The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints
-It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that
- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power
- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings
- Getting the car truely aligned is a 4 hour event

Most of the alignment andsuspension issues were caused by the car beiging straped down for the30+ day trip from Austrailia.


Truthfully I cannot see why so many Mustang kids hate the GTO. If you go sit in aS197 thenaGTO then drive both how can you dislike the GTO? I will admit though the 2004 was a bit bland vs the 2005-2006.The pricing might have been a factor also $27,000 vs $30,000 but then againalot of premium GT's went for $30,000 and many red tagged 2006 GTO's were less than $26,000.


In the end my GTO ended up just like my 2003 GT, it was clear that it was only going to begreatat one thing andonly good at others.

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Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



ERRM... WEIGHT... Heard of a Terminator before? How about a Lightning.... That has to be the worst comment I've ever heard.

Too many people are hooked on Civics, little do they realize most of the cars on the road weigh 3100lbs or more.

No one takes into account that there Mustang GT weighs only 150-200lbs less. 100 horsepower eaisly makes up for that. It's kinda like those who say the 99-04 GT weighs so much less than a 98-02 F-Body.....

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Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



ERRM... WEIGHT... Heard of a Terminator before? How about a Lightning.... That has to be the worst comment I've ever heard.


couldnt agree more with you, i guess the terminator sucks at launching too cuzthey weight about the same as gto dont they?

FWIW if GTOs have ****ty launching then what do you call F-Bodys launches?? I see far more GTO cars with 2.0 or better 60fts than I do solid axle F-Body cars.

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I personally LOVE GTO's. I love their clean, understated looks, and their interior is one of the nicest you will ever see in ANY GM car. They're good all around cars. Pretty good mileage. Decent handling. And tons of aftermarket support. I really don't see what there is to dislike about them, apart from possibly styling, which is subjective anyway.....


Like most I think they look like turds. A muscle car wannabe that won't give-up its Familysedan roots. Still like them better than Magnums though....can't stand a wagon/muscle car. Weak!

Got my 2006 premium gt for $25,600, the gto didn't sticker for $30,000. I feel sorry for the gto owners that paid sticker. I'm 7 years older than you and I don't like the gto, but there are a lot of kids on here that own new mustang gt's so i'm not going to dwell on your statement.

The rear end on the gto's is weak and gm won't even work on it, LOL! If you want to swap gears on a gto, it will cost you a pretty penny assuming you can find someone willing to do it. Some serious gto drag racers have swapped in a solid rear axle, same goes for cobra owners.

I don't need to drive the gto to not like it, i just don't like it and adding scoops to the hood didn't help it. Just look at it. I don't know what I hate more, the grand am front end or the huge side window.

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Truthfully I cannot see why so many Mustang kids hate the GTO. If you go sit in aS197 thenaGTO then drive both how can you dislike the GTO? I will admit though the 2004 was a bit bland vs the 2005-2006.The pricing might have been a factor also $27,000 vs $30,000 but then againalot of premium GT's went for $30,000 and many red tagged 2006 GTO's were less than $26,000.


In the end my GTO ended up just like my 2003 GT, it was clear that it was only going to begreatat one thing andonly good at others.

Actually most GTO owners upgrade to a Diff Techs assembly. Adding a solid axle to a GTO would be a headache and very expensive.

I like them. I took an 06 for a test drive with a dealer installed SLP performance package and that baby was quick! I honestly think it was faster than the C6 coupe & ragtop I test drove!

Is your assmeter within calibration specs?

The maost powerfull SLP package is the Bobcat455 and a base C6 would still lay waste to one of those.

Now if it had the brand new SLP head/cam package I would belive that.

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Got my 2006 premium gt for $25,600, the gto didn't sticker for $30,000. I feel sorry for the gto owners that paid sticker. I'm 7 years older than you and I don't like the gto, but there are a lot of kids on here that own new mustang gt's so i'm not going to dwell on your statement.

The rear end on the gto's is weak and gm won't even work on it, LOL! If you want to swap gears on a gto, it will cost you a pretty penny assuming you can find someone willing to do it. Some serious gto drag racers have swapped in a solid rear axle, same goes for cobra owners.

I don't need to drive the gto to not like it, i just don't like it and adding scoops to the hood didn't help it. Just look at it. I don't know what I hate more, the grand am front end or the huge side window.

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Truthfully I cannot see why so many Mustang kids hate the GTO. If you go sit in aS197 thenaGTO then drive both how can you dislike the GTO? I will admit though the 2004 was a bit bland vs the 2005-2006.The pricing might have been a factor also $27,000 vs $30,000 but then againalot of premium GT's went for $30,000 and many red tagged 2006 GTO's were less than $26,000.


In the end my GTO ended up just like my 2003 GT, it was clear that it was only going to begreatat one thing andonly good at others.



Thanks for your insight.Butthat still your point of view, for the record i paid $ 16k for my gto with 30k miles on it. If everyone would have the same point of view as yours,then this world would suck. Looks is subjective imaoso we dont take your opinion as objective or a fact. Let me put it this way. You like the mustang and u bought it, it works the same way for gto owners. I ve heard many times the new mustang gt is ugly as sin, do i think its true of course not, but that was their opinion.

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What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model.

Incorrect, the Monaro started production in 2002. It wasn't in the UK right away either. They had a v6 model for two years. There was never a Holden Supercharged VXR. That was the '06 -- and in the UK only

What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added.

True, but they found it didn't negatively impact the handling at all, it still pushed .89 G's stock.

As for weak points:
- The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints - Wrong again, no U-Joints.
-It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that Strong, but occasional gear whine issues.
- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power - Wrong, there are plenty of stock axle cars running really fast numbers.
- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings '06 There was a small recall, due to a manufacturer change for the front struts.

the old gto's were nice but the new ones look too austrailan for me lol . thats thats the probmlem withgm they got bad ass motors and stuff but man they need too fire all there designers, they design some of the ugliest cars that Ive seen.

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the old gto's were nice but the new ones look too austrailan for me lol . thats thats the probmlem withgm they got bad ass motors and stuff but man they need too fire all there designers, they design some of the ugliest cars that Ive seen.


i hope the vette,camaro,ws6,G8,formula are not on your list.

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Is your assmeter within calibration specs?

The maost powerfull SLP package is the Bobcat455 and a base C6 would still lay waste to one of those.

Now if it had the brand new SLP head/cam package I would belive that.




HAHA! I think so :D

It had SLP headers, and full exhaust...and intake, pretty sticky tires but I don't recall the brand, and I'm not sure about the cams.

Lets put it this way, it's one of the only cars that scared me it was so fast! The vette was fast, but the GTO was noticeably faster!

It definitely wouldn't lay waste to it! that's just being a fanboy ;)

great engine


but its NOT a GTO

its a rebadged MONARO

that's my issue right there.

alright lets put it like this, the new GTO wasnt truely designed from the bottom up but when i first saw it back in 05 or so i loved it. the new GTO may look like this or that but face is, it is a very well put together car IMO the powertrain and drivetrain are great. the interior is truely the best part of the car, i honestly would not mind having one as a dailey driver because its interior and seats are tons better than my 01 GT. the weight is one thing but the car has it for a reason and its not a bad one, also its 400ft.lbs of torque *LS2* moves it very well.

the first time one pulled up behind me... I thought it was a GRAND PRIX

and the stock shifter has a throw as long as Labron James's arm

i like em. i still think theyre ugly, but after i rode in one i liked it. they might not be the fastest but theyre nice cars.

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the first time one pulled up behind me... I thought it was a GRAND PRIX

and the stock shifter has a throw as long as Labron James's arm
Thats the truth. They give a new meaning to rowing thru the gears.

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the first time one pulled up behind me... I thought it was a GRAND PRIX

and the stock shifter has a throw as long as Labron James's arm
Thats the truth. They give a new meaning to rowing thru the gears.


HELL yeah

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the first time one pulled up behind me... I thought it was a GRAND PRIX

and the stock shifter has a throw as long as Labron James's arm
Thats the truth. They give a new meaning to rowing thru the gears.



And there's not a good aftermarket STS for it either. That BM Ripper Shifter is the only option and it's nothing to bragg about, in fact it downright sucks imo.

The shifter in a gto is no worse than a 99-04 mustang.

Also, I have the LSS (Lou's Short Throw) in my car and it really helped shorten the shift throws

I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.

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What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model.

Incorrect, the Monaro started production in 2002. It wasn't in the UK right away either. They had a v6 model for two years. There was never a Holden Supercharged VXR. That was the '06 -- and in the UK only

! - You are wrong the Holden V2 was designed in 1998 and went into production as a 2001 model year. And I consider the Vauxhall the same as a Holden just like Camaro/Firebird - !


What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added.

True, but they found it didn't negatively impact the handling at all, it still pushed .89 G's stock.

! - .89 is a bit high try .85-.87 but then again skid pad numbers aren't the end all in handling - !

As for weak points:
- The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints - Wrong again, no U-Joints.

! - Take a look under your car see that rubber circle that is equivalent to a u-joint - !

-It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that Strong, but occasional gear whine issues.

! - Occasional isn't one out of two odds - !

- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power - Wrong, there are plenty of stock axle cars running really fast numbers.

! - Pull the stubs on a modded car once. They are twisted but not enough to affect operation. Note also 2005-2006 stubs were better than 2004 - !

- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings '06 There was a small recall, due to a manufacturer change for the front struts.

! - There was no manufacture change both were Monroe they just went with to light of an oil in some 05-06 cars. Also the bushings are crap you will kill a set of strut mounts and your RR bushings are most likely allready shot and you don't know. Mine weredry at 3,000 miles - !





Please do a little reading on the wonderful internet before you correct my posts.

Thanks

Did you seriously just waste a post to tell me my opinion is an opinion? And no one cares what you paid for a used car. You can get a used car for dirt cheap if the seller is motivated.


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Thanks for your insight.Butthat still your point of view, for the record i paid $ 16k for my gto with 30k miles on it. If everyone would have the same point of view as yours,then this world would suck. Looks is subjective imaoso we dont take your opinion as objective or a fact. Let me put it this way. You like the mustang and u bought it, it works the same way for gto owners. I ve heard many times the new mustang gt is ugly as sin, do i think its true of course not, but that was their opinion.

I can't believe the people here who claim to have a Y chromosome, yet judge a performance car on whether or not it's "pretty." That is something that girls do, not men.
Man law.

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What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model.

Incorrect, the Monaro started production in 2002. It wasn't in the UK right away either. They had a v6 model for two years. There was never a Holden Supercharged VXR. That was the '06 -- and in the UK only

! - You are wrong the Holden V2 was designed in 1998 and went into production as a 2001 model year. And I consider the Vauxhall the same as a Holden just like Camaro/Firebird - !


What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added.

True, but they found it didn't negatively impact the handling at all, it still pushed .89 G's stock.

! - .89 is a bit high try .85-.87 but then again skid pad numbers aren't the end all in handling - !

As for weak points:
- The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints - Wrong again, no U-Joints.

! - Take a look under your car see that rubber circle that is equivalent to a u-joint - !

-It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that Strong, but occasional gear whine issues.

! - Occasional isn't one out of two odds - !

- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power - Wrong, there are plenty of stock axle cars running really fast numbers.

! - Pull the stubs on a modded car once. They are twisted but not enough to affect operation. Note also 2005-2006 stubs were better than 2004 - !

- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings '06 There was a small recall, due to a manufacturer change for the front struts.

! - There was no manufacture change both were Monroe they just went with to light of an oil in some 05-06 cars. Also the bushings are crap you will kill a set of strut mounts and your RR bushings are most likely allready shot and you don't know. Mine weredry at 3,000 miles - !





Please do a little reading on the wonderful internet before you correct my posts.

Thanks

I'm pretty sure the guy knows his stuff. I've read a few of his posts and he seems pretty well informed. Annddd.... he does own my favorite color/model GTO. :D

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I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.



You probably could have an LS2 for $21k. But I'd rather spend $23k and buy a Cobra and be a step ahead of the game.

GTO's are cool cars and "can" sound really good...but they're just too heavy and expensive for what they are IMO.


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I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.



You probably could have an LS2 for $21k. But I'd rather spend $23k and buy a Cobra and be a step ahead of the game.

GTO's are cool cars and "can" sound really good...but they're just too heavy and expensive for what they are IMO.


-Phil



Terminator > LS2 GTO all day long man. I was just stating the fact the LS2 GTO could be had for cheap and with the right mods could be pretty fast for cheap. Same with the Cobra though, but around here its pretty damn hard to find an 03/04 Cobra for 23k with low miles.

actually whoever the **** makes their struts changed suppliers, and they were blowing seals, and spitting oil all over.

The driveshaft has no u-joints, they have hard rubber isolated COUPLERS, the idea of a rubber u-joint is comical. I would know I've changed my DS out.

as for the handling I have an article pitting the SRT8 300, the GTO, and the '05 Mustang GT, and all three were about in the same area handling, and the GTO did .89

I have 401rwhp, and the stubs are just fine, and yea, the DS and stubs were improved for 05-06, as was the rear.

As for the shifters, the throws aren't that damn long, but they have a rubber isolator on them that makes the feel ****ty, which makes sence since it's a GT Tourer type. Don't include the B&M in any comparison, they are garbage. I have a GM Motorsports RIP Shifter which has been out since before they were even made here, and it RULES. The shifts are short and crisp, and I haven't missed third in ages.

and yea, clearly anyone would know, initially cost-wise a termy if the prices are similar is the better deal. I'd have gotten into one, but I couldn't find any Termi's in a semi-affordable range. [8D]

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

actually whoever the **** makes their struts changed suppliers, and they were blowing seals, and spitting oil all over.

The driveshaft has no u-joints, they have hard rubber isolated COUPLERS, the idea of a rubber u-joint is comical. I would know I've changed my DS out.

as for the handling I have an article pitting the SRT8 300, the GTO, and the '05 Mustang GT, and all three were about in the same area handling, and the GTO did .89

I have 401rwhp, and the stubs are just fine, and yea, the DS and stubs were improved for 05-06, as was the rear.

As for the shifters, the throws aren't that damn long, but they have a rubber isolator on them that makes the feel ****ty, which makes sence since it's a GT Tourer type. Don't include the B&M in any comparison, they are garbage. I have a GM Motorsports RIP Shifter which has been out since before they were even made here, and it RULES. The shifts are short and crisp, and I haven't missed third in ages.

and yea, clearly anyone would know, initially cost-wise a termy if the prices are similar is the better deal. I'd have gotten into one, but I couldn't find any Termi's in a semi-affordable range. [8D]


I'm right there with you man. I bought my 05 GT for 23k at the beginning of 07. Couldnt find a Termie in that price range around my area, because if I could have, I would be owning one for sure.

even in '05 It was either a new 29k GTO or a used 28k Termy, that would have already had bald tires. I just want people to understand, and they should already since I have a Poncho and a Ford, that I'm no brand whore, and I appreciate all. I just had a bitchin' heavily modded GTP Pace Car that I loved, and the GTO had a similar look that I already was familiar with, that I didn't mind sliding over to less power, but RWD and M6.

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

even in '05 It was either a new 29k GTO or a used 28k Termy, that would have already had bald tires. I just want people to understand, and they should already since I have a Poncho and a Ford, that I'm no brand whore, and I appreciate all. I just had a bitchin' heavily modded GTP Pace Car that I loved, and the GTO had a similar look that I already was familiar with, that I didn't mind sliding over to less power, but RWD and M6.


Your GTP had over 350whp?

I never dynoed it, but it was faster than my GTO, when I got my GTO, and my GTO ran a 13.03@108.9 stock.

Edit-- pic of said GTP. 1998 Daytona 500 Pacecar #1321/1500
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/fastpacedgtp/98PaceCarGTP/gp1.jpg

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

I never dynoed it, but it was faster than my GTO, when I got my GTO, and my GTO ran a 13.03@108.9 stock.

Edit-- pic of said GTP. 1998 Daytona 500 Pacecar #1321/1500
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/fastpacedgtp/98PaceCarGTP/gp1.jpg


Sweet f*cking GTP man. Did you ever do business with 3800performance.com? I have thought about it for along time, but I'm thinking of getting a 3800 motor and building it. There are tons of parts out for them, just cant decide if I want the GTP, or a Monte Carlo SS/SC, Earnhardt Edition. I know on 3800perf.com, one of their GTP's ran low 13's with one of their performance packages, so your GTP must have had a sh*tload done to it.

When I had it, Cam, Headers, small pulley, full 3" exhaust, upgraded valvetrain, cai, built trans, 3.69 gears (stock are 2.93)and a good tune.

Most of my performance parts were ZZP, or various other suppliers.

With the current owner, it now sports a fully built motor, and is now turboed, and i guess is deep into the 11's.

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

When I had it, Cam, Headers, small pulley, full 3" exhaust, upgraded valvetrain, cai, built trans, 3.69 gears (stock are 2.93)and a good tune.

Most of my performance parts were ZZP, or various other suppliers.

With the current owner, it now sports a fully built motor, and is now turboed, and i guess is deep into the 11's.



Check out this package:

Clicky (http://www.3800performance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PP_3800SC_6& Category_Code=PP&Product_Count=5)

Seems like the 3800 has tons of mods and can be built rather nicely. Does ZZP have a website?

zzperformance.com

and looking at that "package" I had all that but, w/ headers w/ larger primaries, and of course I had the built to the hilt tranny

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

zzperformance.com

and looking at that "package" I had all that but, w/ headers w/ larger primaries, and of course I had the built to the hilt tranny



Very nice man, and I'll check out the ZZP website.

All I can say is owned an LS2 GTO, and in my opinion, that engine belongs in a truck. It makes nice power, but has awful NVH.

I do not miss my old GTO.

That actually looks better than any gto i've seen.:D

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

I never dynoed it, but it was faster than my GTO, when I got my GTO, and my GTO ran a 13.03@108.9 stock.

Edit-- pic of said GTP. 1998 Daytona 500 Pacecar #1321/1500
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg311/fastpacedgtp/98PaceCarGTP/gp1.jpg

ORIGINAL: TommyV8

I can't believe the people here who claim to have a Y chromosome, yet judge a performance car on whether or not it's "pretty." That is something that girls do, not men.
Man law.


Give us all a break, please!

ORIGINAL: lieu910

All I can say is owned an LS2 GTO, and in my opinion, that engine belongs in a truck. It makes nice power, but has awful NVH.

I do not miss my old GTO.


I have yet to drive the LS2 GTO, but from my experience driving the LS1 GTO, that motor needs to stay in the Camaro and Trans Am. I can only imagine how the LS2 GTO pulls, but I'm sure the weight does weigh it down. Hell I need to take a day and go to a few dealerships and test drive an LS2 GTO, Evo, Sti and SRT-4, just to see which one I like. :D

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ORIGINAL: QatarStang

Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



ERRM... WEIGHT... Heard of a Terminator before? How about a Lightning.... That has to be the worst comment I've ever heard.


couldnt agree more with you, i guess the terminator sucks at launching too cuzthey weight about the same as gto dont they?




Ever heard of a solid axel swap before?[:-] Any terminator/Lightning owner that is serious about drag racing will swap in a solid axel, or dump a bunch of money into the IRS, at the least.

Also, all IRS's aren't created equal. The Goats IRS is just not that good stock, end of story. Doesn't mean that it can't be made better, though.;)

ORIGINAL: lieu910

All I can say is owned an LS2 GTO, and in my opinion, that engine belongs in a truck. It makes nice power, but has awful NVH.

I do not miss my old GTO.


What the hell is NVH?

And what kind of statement is that anyway?

Belongs in a truck my ass.

ORIGINAL: c6z51

ORIGINAL: lieu910

All I can say is owned an LS2 GTO, and in my opinion, that engine belongs in a truck. It makes nice power, but has awful NVH.

I do not miss my old GTO.


What the hell is NVH?

And what kind of statement is that anyway?

Belongs in a truck my ass.


NVH is noise, vibration, harshness. The LS2 feels very unrefined to me. I've driven LS1 F-bodies anddid not come away with that impression, but for some reason in the GTO it does feel and sound like my old Silverado.

It makes inmpressive power, it's relatively efficient, etc, but I simply am not impressed with it in the GTO.

As for your ass belonging in a truck....okay, thanks for sharing.

thats call MUSCLE/ v-8 if you want a caddy go get one grandpa.

ORIGINAL: redstanger

thats call MUSCLE/ v-8 if you want a caddy go get one grandpa.


Thank you for clearing that up, I had no idea what high performance engine should feel like[sm=smiley24.gif]. Particularly after owning about a dozen classic musclecars, an 06 GT, and the aforementioned 05 GTO.

The distinction here is that I'm entitled tomy opinion. If itbothers you to the extent that you have topersonalize it and resort to name calling, all I can say is try not to let it bother you.

I owned a GTO, I didn't care for it and stated the reasons why. No skin off my nose if you happen to disagree.

Maybe you just aren't used to what real horsepower feels like. Old muscle cars were slow and the 3V is no high performance engine.

Both LS2's I had/have feel nice and smooth. I have also had 2 LS1's which were no different in feel.

Sounds like you belong in a Maxima or Buick.

You boys bout to work a little tag team action on lieu?

Why you gotta problem beotch, is the LS2 a little to rough for you also?

Thats what I thought.........

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Why you gotta problem beotch, is the LS2 a little to rough for you also?

Thats what I thought.........
New name but Same ol Cody SS. Some things never change.[8D]

It's called comedy and sarcasm.

ORIGINAL: c6z51

It's called comedy and sarcasm.
There just not your forte.:D

Sounds to me like someon has some e-issues he needs to get over. Seriously get off your high horse and move the **** on. Your no better than the cry babies I pissed off before.

Sorry my realife attitude doesn't live up to your e-standards.

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Sounds to me like someon has some e-issues he needs to get over. Seriously get off your high horse and move the **** on. Your no better than the cry babies I pissed off before.

Sorry my realife attitude doesn't live up to your e-standards.


Theres my CODY ss. Just like the old days . Go ahead and get mad just like you did when people ragged that 6 second Cobalt ss of yours.[:@][8D]:DYour not going to be on your best behavior for long.

Oh yea I am so mad, seriously I could care less. This is an internet forum not real life. I almost feel sorry for people like you who cannot seperate real world from e-world.

I love how some cry babies just refuse to grow up. Like I said my Cobalt ran a 13.7 which was a full second slower than my previous Camaro SS so who cares. People just got all upset because I said that was good enogh to waste a 99-04 GT.

And guess what it was....

Clearly some of you just cannot move on and will always remain stuck in moments on the internet.

You want make fun of my other cars now too, my 2002 Camaro SS, 2006 GTO and 2007 C6?

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Maybe you just aren't used to what real horsepower feels like. Old muscle cars were slow and the 3V is no high performance engine.

Both LS2's I had/have feel nice and smooth. I have also had 2 LS1's which were no different in feel.

Sounds like you belong in a Maxima or Buick.


I'm not here to argue with you, and frankly the attempted insults fall on deaf ears. You take opinions much toopersonally. Glad you're happy with your LS2's, it simply doesn't do much for me in the GTO. I can't imagine being critical of your opinion for liking the LS2, so why not move on?

Moreover, I've ownedseveral cars with significantly more horsepower than my 05 LS2 GTO, including my current modified 06 GT, which is putting down around 600 whp. Funny you mention Buick, as a matter of fact I did own a Buick (Grand National) nicely modified, and alsofaster than my 05 GTO. Perhaps I do belong in a Buick, I certainly liked the Grand National much more thanmy GTO.

Frankly, I haven't read a salient thought from you yet, but if you wish to take on me and the rest of the world for having an opposing opinion, have at it, and enjoy. Personally, I don't see any point in embarassing you any further.

ORIGINAL: lieu910

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Maybe you just aren't used to what real horsepower feels like. Old muscle cars were slow and the 3V is no high performance engine.

Both LS2's I had/have feel nice and smooth. I have also had 2 LS1's which were no different in feel.

Sounds like you belong in a Maxima or Buick.


I'm not here to argue with you, and frankly the attempted insults fall on deaf ears. You take opinions much toopersonally. Glad you're happy with your LS2's, it simply doesn't do much for me in the GTO. I can't imagine being critical of your opinion for liking the LS2, so why not move on?

Moreover, I've ownedseveral cars with significantly more horsepower than my 05 LS2 GTO, including my current modified 06 GT, which is putting down around 600 whp. Funny you mention Buick, as a matter of fact I did own a Buick (Grand National) nicely modified, and alsofaster than my 05 GTO. Perhaps I do belong in a Buick, I certainly liked the Grand National much more thanmy GTO.

Frankly, I haven't read a salient thought from you yet, but if you wish to take on me and the rest of the world for having an opposing opinion, have at it, and enjoy. Personally, I don't see any point in embarassing you any further.

I think its Slowdy's time of the month..:D

You fail at real life.;)

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Oh yea I am so mad, seriously I could care less. This is an internet forum not real life. I almost feel sorry for people like you who cannot seperate real world from e-world.

I love how some cry babies just refuse to grow up. Like I said my Cobalt ran a 13.7 which was a full second slower than my previous Camaro SS so who cares. People just got all upset because I said that was good enogh to waste a 99-04 GT.

And guess what it was....

Clearly some of you just cannot move on and will always remain stuck in moments on the internet.

You want make fun of my other cars now too, my 2002 Camaro SS, 2006 GTO and 2007 C6?

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Oh yea I am so mad, seriously I could care less. This is an internet forum not real life. I almost feel sorry for people like you who cannot seperate real world from e-world.

I love how some cry babies just refuse to grow up. Like I said my Cobalt ran a 13.7 which was a full second slower than my previous Camaro SS so who cares. People just got all upset because I said that was good enogh to waste a 99-04 GT.

And guess what it was....

Clearly some of you just cannot move on and will always remain stuck in moments on the internet.

You want make fun of my other cars now too, my 2002 Camaro SS, 2006 GTO and 2007 C6?


Dude I'm sorry I brought that whole unpleasant Cody SS business up. But your a legend on this sight. You, Janine and a few other constantly come up in a street/strip conversation. It seams you haven't learned fromyour past so your doomed to repeat it.[:@] And as usual the entire world will be out of step with the exception of you. Why do you come to another makes sight and try to convince everyone that GM is simply better than everything?

Janine......now theres a blast from the past:D


Has she raced any more built Chargers that pull wheel stands on the street lately?

Then bluebeastsrt4, your just as bad or even worst then all the others. I will admit a lot of people live on the GM>Ford/Dodge BS when no one really cares. Just let this thread die/lock just like all the other LSx vs Ford bull s h i t.

Janine made an aperance here not that long ago to tell MrRoges that he didn't really own his Z06......and so on and so fourth




Blue is not nearly as bad as CodySS was (in fact I like blue he at least has a sense of humor), wasn't he bannned like 3 times already[8D]

ORIGINAL: 1BAD3V

Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile.


Stock for stock I think the 3v and LS1 GTO would be close, but I think the GTO would edge it out slightly. I have an issue of MM&FF (somewhere in this house) where they did a side-by-side comparison and test of an '04 Mach I and an '04 GTO, both driven by none other than Evan Smith, and those two were pretty close in the quarter for the most part. However, the Mach I slightly edge out the GTO on e.t., but the GTO edged out the Mach I on trap speed.
I don't know this for fact, but seeing as how the Mach I is a little lighter than the 3v and has a tiny bit more power, I would think the Mach I is a bit faster than the 3v. Correct me if I'm wrong though. So in other words, I think the LS1 GTO would take the 3v in the 1/4, but not by much.

As far as looks are concerned I think the LS2 GTO is pretty mean looking, moreso than the LS1 GTO. Cavalier-like or not, I know not to mess with one if I see it on the road! [:o]

To- C6Z51

You think you could have used a user name that was'nt your car.......Be original...[8D]

the GTO wasn't really designed to be an all out drag car. it was meant to be an all around good performer, not something for killing all at the strip. before you go out screaming that the goat is slow, take one to a road course and run it good and hard. it'll walk away from Mustangs, and Camaros. the only real down side to the car is it's weight, it just needs a diet.

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

the GTO wasn't really designed to be an all out drag car. it was meant to be an all around good performer, not something for killing all at the strip. before you go out screaming that the goat is slow, take one to a road course and run it good and hard. it'll walk away from Mustangs, and Camaros. the only real down side to the car is it's weight, it just needs a diet.
It really wont. It's to heavy and leans in turns. Weight is the enemy of performance no matter if your going in a str. line or around the curves. They have run them in SCCA racing but thats far fronm the stock suspension their using..

GTO's seem to be ok at everything. not nothing to go yank in the corner about.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

the GTO wasn't really designed to be an all out drag car. it was meant to be an all around good performer, not something for killing all at the strip. before you go out screaming that the goat is slow, take one to a road course and run it good and hard. it'll walk away from Mustangs, and Camaros. the only real down side to the car is it's weight, it just needs a diet.
It really wont. It's to heavy and leans in turns. Weight is the enemy of performance no matter if your going in a str. line or around the curves. They have run them in SCCA racing but thats far fronm the stock suspension their using..


T2GTO -- Well guys and gals,

It is that time of year again. I will be running the T2 GTO in the AT&T Runoffs that will be on Speed Channel at a later date. The race will be held at Topeka, KS. The race used to be at Road Atlanta and then at Mid Ohio (I believe for 12 years). It was moved to Topeka's newly remodeled track last year. I think something to the tune of 15 million was spent on the track. If you live in the area, the race will be sometime on Sunday the 14th of October. I will be there 4 days prior, practicing and qualfiying. Come by and visit. This race is the best of the best and a winner takes all deal. Lots of contact and lots of high speed action.

My number changed from 01 to 15 for this race. I won the midwest divisional championship last year against the National Champion, Chuck Hemminson driving for factory Subi. This year I qualified for the Runoffs and took a bunch of time off to spend with my kids. We had a great summer.

Full cage
R compound tires
custom light weight wheels 17x9
custom shocks and struts
pedders OEM front/ rear springs
pedders heavy duty sway bars
Balanced and blueprinted engine
computer tune
drop in filter
cat back exhaust
race seat
5 point harness belts
carbotech front brake pads

It is still street legal and sometimes goes to lunch with me

Here are a few photos of the car in action:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/trmclassics/Runoffs05_T2_Race_200.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/trmclassics/Runoffs05_T2_Qual1_143.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/trmclassics/Runoffs05_T2_Qual1_109.jpg


Here is some video from the Speed race last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYLFfDoHpvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yots4SpeKPI' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yots4SpeKPI)

This one is good!! Just watch it. You can see the Evos/STI's & GTO are all really well matched, but in the vid these guys are running UP the azz of the LS1 powered Camaro.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vRfbg9ton0M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4lD169PJiA&NR=1

Hell yea! That's what I like to see. Nice video and driving. GTO FTMFW:)

That Driver, by the name of Chris Brannon, as well as fielding that GTO, also fields a S197 Mustang

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/trmclassics/DSC03420.jpg

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

That Driver, by the name of Chris Brannon, as well as fielding that GTO, also fields a S197 Mustang

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/trmclassics/DSC03420.jpg


Any vid of the S197?

i'm looking now...

http://www.wilsonracing.com/images/WilsonEmpringhamDaytona.jpg

Chris Brannon is a regular poster on ls1gto.com, he seems like a cool guy, looks like the Mustang is the high sponsored main ride, an the GTO is his solo "fun" gig.

I'm looking and if you look up Chris Brannon are ALL OVER. Driving Cobalts, Neons, vipers, mustangs, camaro, gto, etc.

Awesome videos man

Its nice to watch videos of cars actually turning once and a while:D

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ORIGINAL: c6z51

Oh yea I am so mad, seriously I could care less. This is an internet forum not real life. I almost feel sorry for people like you who cannot seperate real world from e-world.

I love how some cry babies just refuse to grow up. Like I said my Cobalt ran a 13.7 which was a full second slower than my previous Camaro SS so who cares. People just got all upset because I said that was good enogh to waste a 99-04 GT.

And guess what it was....

Clearly some of you just cannot move on and will always remain stuck in moments on the internet.

You want make fun of my other cars now too, my 2002 Camaro SS, 2006 GTO and 2007 C6?


Dude I'm sorry I brought that whole unpleasant Cody SS business up. But your a legend on this sight. You, Janine and a few other constantly come up in a street/strip conversation. It seams you haven't learned fromyour past so your doomed to repeat it.[:@] And as usual the entire world will be out of step with the exception of you. Why do you come to another makes sight and try to convince everyone that GM is simply better than everything?



lets get something straight here once and for all. When during all of the Cobaltss craziness was I wrong?

I said my car would beat a 99-04 GT and it would. I was not the one who strung **** out that was the die hard 99-04 GT fanboys. And where are they now most are in S197's and other cars. I am really sorry I wasn't one to just let **** roll off my shoulder I won't agree to disagree when the other side is plain out full of ****.

You say you have a 15 year old daughter so that hopefully makes you what 35. Don't you really think it's time to grow up a little. Do you see me taking shots at your stories or car? Seriously look at your car do you realize how easyit would be topokefun. But I don't because I belive the whole to each there own harmony.

And please stop with the I think GM rules all, like I said before I will drive anything thats fast, handles and looks nice blue oval or bowtie. I give Mustangs credit where they deserve it and thats all.

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



And because at 35-40K you would think GM would've made a GTO look like something else other than a Grand-Prix/Grand-am on roids. [:'(]

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Pontiac/GTO/Coupe/2006_Pontiac_GTO_ext_1.jpg

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Pontiac/Grand%20Am/Sedan/2005_Pontiac_GrandAm_ext_1.jpg

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/images/cars/ArtImages/31678/alt03.jpg

The only difference I truely see is an extra pair of doors :eek:and a different hood. The rest is just sad.

^ Thats just stupid ^

Park a 2006 GTO next to a 2006 Mustang GT, yep GTO sure looks terrible.

I give up cody, you'll never understand! I quit going tothe The cobaltss.com sight because of you, the guy in the subie and the guy in the ford truck turned every thread into a pissing match. And you've tried to do the same sinse they've let you back in here again. The name has changed but it's the same Codyss bull sh*t.Just reread your responses in the cobra threads. Even your buddy redstanger told you you were ruining the thread. And he's your friend! Nobody disrespected your cobalt SS. Theres a guy on here named IWHINE. Ask him if he feels any disrespect for his Cobalt SS. They disrespected you because of the attitude you brought with your dogged defense of that car. I'm not going to argue with you anymore but here's a little friendly advice. Check yourself once in a while and think about what you type. Your not always going to be able to beat your opinion into other peoples head. It's a Mustang sight not a chevy sight. And like you said It would be easy to poke fun at my car yet the majority of the S/S members like me and have respect for my car. Theres a reason for that. And it isn't because the car is quick.

ORIGINAL: c6z51

^ Thats just stupid ^

Park a 2006 GTO next to a 2006 Mustang GT, yep GTO sure looks terrible.
This is the Codyss B. S. I'm talking about.

Hey if you don't like what I say ask someone else. Do you really think the general public would say the stuff some of these guys do if they seen each car side by side?

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My attitude? I was here well before I owned my SS/SC hell I was here before you were. People that are no longer here strted the **** by calling my car a econobox, cavalier, and so on. It was also the same people who started all of the SS/SC are a joke and are slow **** I didn't.

And I really love how one persons opinion is simply that where as my opinion is BS, GM biased or good ole codyss.

Like I said before grow up.............

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Hey if you don't like what I say ask someone else. Do you really think the general public would say the stuff some of these guys do if they seen each car side by side?

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My attitude? I was here well before I owned my SS/SC hell I was here before you were. People that are no longer here strted the **** by calling my car a econobox, cavalier, and so on. It was also the same people who started all of the SS/SC are a joke and are slow **** I didn't.

And I really love how one persons opinion is simply that where as my opinion is BS, GM biased or good ole codyss.

Like I said before grow up.............


When CodySS tells ya to grow up it usally falls on def ears. Like I said enjoy what little time you have left here before they ban you again for your nonsense. Take care.

my how the thread changes when one skips from page 1 to page 6...





from what i get, some idiot is giving Mr. Chevrolet a bad name.

The only nonsense I posted was arguing with you.

You seem to think you know it all and your so damn great but guess what this is the internet. When your computer is off you have no friends I do.

I fully realize I took things way to far and said things i shouldn't have said. But hey thats life you cannot change the past.

It was two god damn years ago alot of the people here have changed since then and so have I.Clearly you are clinging to thepast.

Move the **** on............

ORIGINAL: NYstang

my how the thread changes when one skips from page 1 to page 6...





from what i get, some idiot is giving Mr. Chevrolet a bad name.



Maybe you should re-read the entire thread.

nah, i got better things to do then read your pissing match

ORIGINAL: Derf00

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



And because at 35-40K you would think GM would've made a GTO look like something else other than a Grand-Prix/Grand-am on roids. [:'(]



The only difference I truely see is an extra pair of doors :eek:and a different hood. The rest is just sad.



Hey man, those 'roids were expensive!:D

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Hey if you don't like what I say ask someone else. Do you really think the general public would say the stuff some of these guys do if they seen each car side by side?

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My attitude? I was here well before I owned my SS/SC hell I was here before you were. People that are no longer here strted the **** by calling my car a econobox, cavalier, and so on. It was also the same people who started all of the SS/SC are a joke and are slow **** I didn't.

And I really love how one persons opinion is simply that where as my opinion is BS, GM biased or good ole codyss.

Like I said before grow up.............




I think the general public has already spoken, the GTO was dropped due to poor sales. As were other GM vehicles due to the same thing.

I think the Ls1/ls2engines are fantastic but don't wrap it in a medicore package or"me too" bodyand tell me its great. GM body designs and their interiors (with 6 feet of dash 3 feet deep) is my problem with them. GTO was no different.

My 2006 GTO cost me $32,000, that was with the standard 17" wheels and T-56.

Which was really still to much when you start getting into suspension on the GTO. Then you realize there are $10,000 car bushings on your $30,000 car.

I can see what you are saying Derf00 but at the same time some bought a GTO because it was GM's only offering other than the Vette.

The GTO was a failed attempt and should have much better than a rebadged and bumpered Holden.

After I had mine for a while I wished I had kept my Camaro SS.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

the GTO wasn't really designed to be an all out drag car. it was meant to be an all around good performer, not something for killing all at the strip. before you go out screaming that the goat is slow, take one to a road course and run it good and hard. it'll walk away from Mustangs, and Camaros. the only real down side to the car is it's weight, it just needs a diet.
It really wont. It's to heavy and leans in turns. Weight is the enemy of performance no matter if your going in a str. line or around the curves. They have run them in SCCA racing but thats far fronm the stock suspension their using..


have you ever driven a GTO on a road course?? i have, and it moved a lot better than you'd believe. i was blowing away Stang's and Camaro's like no other. (btw this was at Road America) you just have to drive them with a more tail out style, not completely drifting, but close

ORIGINAL: c6z51

I can see what you are saying Derf00 but at the same time some bought a GTO because it was GM's only offering other than the Vette.

The GTO was a failed attempt and should have much better than a rebadged and bumpered Holden.

After I had mine for a while I wished I had kept my Camaro SS.


I would've passed on the GTO if I were in your shoes. Especially with the Camaro whispers that started when the GTO was released. Personally I think the new Camaro is a great step in the positive direction. I hated the space-ship look and feel of thelast generation.GM still effed up the interior though on the new Maro with the damn football field sized dash [>:]

Right now I'm torn between waiting for the 'newer' Mustangs in 09 or waiting another 6-12 months beyond thatfor the camaro and checking it out. I'm not going to be a fool and buy the first model year of a completely redesigned car.

Holden is good in its own right and I don't blame Holden. I blame GM since they took a perfectly good holden car and GMed it. GM recently did the same with Saturn. Saturn used to be unique to Saturn, now it's just a rebadged Chevy Cavalier and other Chevy product with a Saturn Badge. [:'(]

I'm waiting for Pontiac to disappear like oldsmobile did a few years ago. Too many rebaged cars with little or no differentiation between product lines. That's the real GM mistake.

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

the GTO wasn't really designed to be an all out drag car. it was meant to be an all around good performer, not something for killing all at the strip. before you go out screaming that the goat is slow, take one to a road course and run it good and hard. it'll walk away from Mustangs, and Camaros. the only real down side to the car is it's weight, it just needs a diet.
It really wont. It's to heavy and leans in turns. Weight is the enemy of performance no matter if your going in a str. line or around the curves. They have run them in SCCA racing but thats far fronm the stock suspension their using..


have you ever driven a GTO on a road course?? i have, and it moved a lot better than you'd believe. i was blowing away Stang's and Camaro's like no other. (btw this was at Road America) you just have to drive them with a more tail out style, not completely drifting, but close



That's a GM trade-mark :DIt does take some getting used to but is fun.

The same tail out style of driving wont work in a mustang or Camaro? both of which weigh less and will fit larger tires under them.

I just bought what I should have in 2006 just one year later. Sure there is the new LS3 and Z06 but my LS2 Z51 is just fine for me. :)

The new Camaro just isn't my cup of tea I am not a fan of retro styling at all.

Here we go again. The GTO and S197 are both great cars. They are different, and yet the same. It is personal preference. If you like the look and feel of one, that is your choice. I like the feel of mine. Not to mention, with 4K I can walk 99% of lightly to moderately modded LS2 GTO's, and my car still costs less then a new GTO.

To the OP that said Bluebeast was just as bad: Bluebeast is an awesome guy, knows his stuff, and has proof to back up all claims. His SRT will murder 90% of the guys on here. So what if it is a neon. I don't look at it that way. I look at it as a Super Neon.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

The same tail out style of driving wont work in a mustang or Camaro? both of which weigh less and will fit larger tires under them.


I loved my GTO for what it was but my F-Bodies would have killed it on a road course.

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

The same tail out style of driving wont work in a mustang or Camaro? both of which weigh less and will fit larger tires under them.


it's slightly harder to control, at least i think it is. it's easier to run through a corner in 'Stang or 'Maro than in the Goat, but the Goat can be more fun to drive:)

ORIGINAL: Derf00

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Hey if you don't like what I say ask someone else. Do you really think the general public would say the stuff some of these guys do if they seen each car side by side?

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My attitude? I was here well before I owned my SS/SC hell I was here before you were. People that are no longer here strted the **** by calling my car a econobox, cavalier, and so on. It was also the same people who started all of the SS/SC are a joke and are slow **** I didn't.

And I really love how one persons opinion is simply that where as my opinion is BS, GM biased or good ole codyss.

Like I said before grow up.............




I think the general public has already spoken, the GTO was dropped due to poor sales. As were other GM vehicles due to the same thing.

I think the Ls1/ls2engines are fantastic but don't wrap it in a medicore package or"me too" bodyand tell me its great. GM body designs and their interiors (with 6 feet of dash 3 feet deep) is my problem with them. GTO was no different.


Wrong! GTOs were not dropped due to low sales. They were originally planned to be a limited 3 year production car for the US. They still make them, we just don't get them. And if it was such a bad seller, then why are they bringing us a GX8 which is based on the same platform?

The G8 is based on the Commadore sedan chassis. The same chassis is also shared by the Chevy Lumina being sold in the mideast.

ORIGINAL: Derf00

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

Because those are respectable times for a 300 hp car, not 350 and 400 hp cars.


The IRS has a lot to do with the ****ty launching, too.



And because at 35-40K you would think GM would've made a GTO look like something else other than a Grand-Prix/Grand-am on roids. [:'(]

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2006/Pontiac/GTO/Coupe/2006_Pontiac_GTO_ext_1.jpg

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Pontiac/Grand%20Am/Sedan/2005_Pontiac_GrandAm_ext_1.jpg

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/images/cars/ArtImages/31678/alt03.jpg

The only difference I truely see is an extra pair of doors :eek:and a different hood. The rest is just sad.


As opposed to a Tempest, or a LeMans or a Nova on roids like the last ones were? The price was 33,495, and GM had incentives from the get go, mine was 29.5k OUT THE DOOR

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

The same tail out style of driving wont work in a mustang or Camaro? both of which weigh less and will fit larger tires under them.


it's slightly harder to control, at least i think it is. it's easier to run through a corner in 'Stang or 'Maro than in the Goat, but the Goat can be more fun to drive:)



Not true, actually the f-cars & mustang are harder to drive. Solid rear. If the rear kicks out, you're pretty much done, not so much in the roo. Have you ever seen Top Gears reviews of this car?

05-06 Monaro (GTO)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9F223KOnKwI
04 Monaro (GTO) v.s. 300C and a Jag
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-oHeLPX3zM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l-WO1IB9Iqg&feature=related
04 Monaro (GTO) on it's own
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eyinY5XUOGY&feature=related

For some reason the Monaro is loved everywhere else in the world but the US.

ORIGINAL: c6z51

The G8 is based on the Commadore sedan chassis. The same chassis is also shared by the Chevy Lumina being sold in the mideast.


TheZeta Frame. The same thing will be used for the 2009 Camaro. Isn't the Commodore, Vauxhall, and GTO all on this Zeta frame? The GTOand the new G8/Lumina SS all share a very close resemblance, especially from the rear.

Here's some info....
http://www.edmunds.com/il/pontiac/g8/index.html?mktcat=pontiac-g8-make-misspelling-proper&kw=pontiac+g8&mktid=ga43107656

ORIGINAL: Derf00

ORIGINAL: c6z51

Hey if you don't like what I say ask someone else. Do you really think the general public would say the stuff some of these guys do if they seen each car side by side?

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My attitude? I was here well before I owned my SS/SC hell I was here before you were. People that are no longer here strted the **** by calling my car a econobox, cavalier, and so on. It was also the same people who started all of the SS/SC are a joke and are slow **** I didn't.

And I really love how one persons opinion is simply that where as my opinion is BS, GM biased or good ole codyss.

Like I said before grow up.............




I think the general public has already spoken, the GTO was dropped due to poor sales. As were other GM vehicles due to the same thing.

I think the Ls1/ls2engines are fantastic but don't wrap it in a medicore package or"me too" bodyand tell me its great. GM body designs and their interiors (with 6 feet of dash 3 feet deep) is my problem with them. GTO was no different.


the gto was not dropped due to low sales. it was an intentional 3 year low production run

ORIGINAL: JudgeThis

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt

The same tail out style of driving wont work in a mustang or Camaro? both of which weigh less and will fit larger tires under them.


it's slightly harder to control, at least i think it is. it's easier to run through a corner in 'Stang or 'Maro than in the Goat, but the Goat can be more fun to drive:)



Not true, actually the f-cars & mustang are harder to drive. Solid rear. If the rear kicks out, you're pretty much done, not so much in the roo. Have you ever seen Top Gears reviews of this car?

05-06 Monaro (GTO)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9F223KOnKwI
04 Monaro (GTO) v.s. 300C and a Jag
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a-oHeLPX3zM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l-WO1IB9Iqg&feature=related
04 Monaro (GTO) on it's own
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eyinY5XUOGY&feature=related

For some reason the Monaro is loved everywhere else in the world but the US.



i've auto x and road raced my old 3rd gen, solid axle. it's easier for me to drive tail out with the goat, now keeping the tail in line on the other hand, the Camaro is better