the first time one pulled up behind me... I thought it was a GRAND PRIX
and the stock shifter has a throw as long as Labron James's arm
Thats the truth. They give a new meaning to rowing thru the gears.
And there's not a good aftermarket STS for it either. That BM Ripper Shifter is the only option and it's nothing to bragg about, in fact it downright sucks imo.
I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.
What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model.
Incorrect, the Monaro started production in 2002. It wasn't in the UK right away either. They had a v6 model for two years. There was never a Holden Supercharged VXR. That was the '06 -- and in the UK only
! - You are wrong the Holden V2 was designed in 1998 and went into production as a 2001 model year. And I consider the Vauxhall the same as a Holden just like Camaro/Firebird - !
What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added. True, but they found it didn't negatively impact the handling at all, it still pushed .89 G's stock.
! - .89 is a bit high try .85-.87 but then again skid pad numbers aren't the end all in handling - !
As for weak points: - The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints - Wrong again, no U-Joints.
! - Take a look under your car see that rubber circle that is equivalent to a u-joint - !
- It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that Strong, but occasional gear whine issues.
! - Occasional isn't one out of two odds - !
- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power - Wrong, there are plenty of stock axle cars running really fast numbers.
! - Pull the stubs on a modded car once. They are twisted but not enough to affect operation. Note also 2005-2006 stubs were better than 2004 - !
- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings '06 There was a small recall, due to a manufacturer change for the front struts.
! - There was no manufacture change both were Monroe they just went with to light of an oil in some 05-06 cars. Also the bushings are crap you will kill a set of strut mounts and your RR bushings are most likely allready shot and you don't know. Mine were dry at 3,000 miles - !
Please do a little reading on the wonderful internet before you correct my posts.
Thanks
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Did you seriously just waste a post to tell me my opinion is an opinion? And no one cares what you paid for a used car. You can get a used car for dirt cheap if the seller is motivated.
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Thanks for your insight. But that still your point of view, for the record i paid $ 16k for my gto with 30k miles on it. If everyone would have the same point of view as yours, then this world would suck. Looks is subjective imao so we dont take your opinion as objective or a fact. Let me put it this way. You like the mustang and u bought it, it works the same way for gto owners. I ve heard many times the new mustang gt is ugly as sin, do i think its true of course not, but that was their opinion.
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I can't believe the people here who claim to have a Y chromosome, yet judge a performance car on whether or not it's "pretty." That is something that girls do, not men. Man law.
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What to many of you fail to realize is that the 2004-2006 GTO has been alive as the Holden Monaro since 1998 in Europe/Austrailia. Over there they have everything from a 3.8 Litre to a stock Harrop S/C VXR model.
Incorrect, the Monaro started production in 2002. It wasn't in the UK right away either. They had a v6 model for two years. There was never a Holden Supercharged VXR. That was the '06 -- and in the UK only
! - You are wrong the Holden V2 was designed in 1998 and went into production as a 2001 model year. And I consider the Vauxhall the same as a Holden just like Camaro/Firebird - !
What they did leave in Europe however was the cars original sport handling suspension the American GTO was a sport/touring car here. With this decision softer springs from the sedans were installed and soft bushings were added. True, but they found it didn't negatively impact the handling at all, it still pushed .89 G's stock.
! - .89 is a bit high try .85-.87 but then again skid pad numbers aren't the end all in handling - !
As for weak points: - The driveshaft is a two piece design that utilizes rubber u-joints - Wrong again, no U-Joints.
! - Take a look under your car see that rubber circle that is equivalent to a u-joint - !
- It's rear end left a little to be desired you know quiet operation and stuff like that Strong, but occasional gear whine issues.
! - Occasional isn't one out of two odds - !
- Like all IRS cars the axles become a weak point with added power - Wrong, there are plenty of stock axle cars running really fast numbers.
! - Pull the stubs on a modded car once. They are twisted but not enough to affect operation. Note also 2005-2006 stubs were better than 2004 - !
- The front suspension suffers from crap sturt and radius rod bushings '06 There was a small recall, due to a manufacturer change for the front struts.
! - There was no manufacture change both were Monroe they just went with to light of an oil in some 05-06 cars. Also the bushings are crap you will kill a set of strut mounts and your RR bushings are most likely allready shot and you don't know. Mine were dry at 3,000 miles - !
Please do a little reading on the wonderful internet before you correct my posts.
Thanks
I'm pretty sure the guy knows his stuff. I've read a few of his posts and he seems pretty well informed. Annddd.... he does own my favorite color/model GTO.
I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.
You probably could have an LS2 for $21k. But I'd rather spend $23k and buy a Cobra and be a step ahead of the game.
GTO's are cool cars and "can" sound really good...but they're just too heavy and expensive for what they are IMO.
I've driven an LS1 GTO, and all I got to say is that my 3v is faster. Stock for stock, I think the 3v would take the LS1 GTO in the 1/4 mile. I havent driven the LS2 yet, probably will someday just to see what the negative and positive fuss is all about. Seriously, I've seen them run and I've heard them with exhaust and a cam, and they sound pretty badass. Take an LS2 GTO, which can be had for as cheap as 21k with pretty low miles, add a cam, some headers and exhaust and you have a 425+rwhp beast that would do low 12's easily with some DR's, and quite possibly 11's. Seems pretty nice to me, but I dont think I'd ever get one if I sat here and thought about it.
You probably could have an LS2 for $21k. But I'd rather spend $23k and buy a Cobra and be a step ahead of the game.
GTO's are cool cars and "can" sound really good...but they're just too heavy and expensive for what they are IMO.
-Phil
Terminator > LS2 GTO all day long man. I was just stating the fact the LS2 GTO could be had for cheap and with the right mods could be pretty fast for cheap. Same with the Cobra though, but around here its pretty damn hard to find an 03/04 Cobra for 23k with low miles.
actually whoever the **** makes their struts changed suppliers, and they were blowing seals, and spitting oil all over.
The driveshaft has no u-joints, they have hard rubber isolated COUPLERS, the idea of a rubber u-joint is comical. I would know I've changed my DS out.
as for the handling I have an article pitting the SRT8 300, the GTO, and the '05 Mustang GT, and all three were about in the same area handling, and the GTO did .89
I have 401rwhp, and the stubs are just fine, and yea, the DS and stubs were improved for 05-06, as was the rear.
As for the shifters, the throws aren't that damn long, but they have a rubber isolator on them that makes the feel ****ty, which makes sence since it's a GT Tourer type. Don't include the B&M in any comparison, they are garbage. I have a GM Motorsports RIP Shifter which has been out since before they were even made here, and it RULES. The shifts are short and crisp, and I haven't missed third in ages.
and yea, clearly anyone would know, initially cost-wise a termy if the prices are similar is the better deal. I'd have gotten into one, but I couldn't find any Termi's in a semi-affordable range.
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actually whoever the **** makes their struts changed suppliers, and they were blowing seals, and spitting oil all over.
The driveshaft has no u-joints, they have hard rubber isolated COUPLERS, the idea of a rubber u-joint is comical. I would know I've changed my DS out.
as for the handling I have an article pitting the SRT8 300, the GTO, and the '05 Mustang GT, and all three were about in the same area handling, and the GTO did .89
I have 401rwhp, and the stubs are just fine, and yea, the DS and stubs were improved for 05-06, as was the rear.
As for the shifters, the throws aren't that damn long, but they have a rubber isolator on them that makes the feel ****ty, which makes sence since it's a GT Tourer type. Don't include the B&M in any comparison, they are garbage. I have a GM Motorsports RIP Shifter which has been out since before they were even made here, and it RULES. The shifts are short and crisp, and I haven't missed third in ages.
and yea, clearly anyone would know, initially cost-wise a termy if the prices are similar is the better deal. I'd have gotten into one, but I couldn't find any Termi's in a semi-affordable range.
I'm right there with you man. I bought my 05 GT for 23k at the beginning of 07. Couldnt find a Termie in that price range around my area, because if I could have, I would be owning one for sure.
even in '05 It was either a new 29k GTO or a used 28k Termy, that would have already had bald tires. I just want people to understand, and they should already since I have a Poncho and a Ford, that I'm no brand whore, and I appreciate all. I just had a bitchin' heavily modded GTP Pace Car that I loved, and the GTO had a similar look that I already was familiar with, that I didn't mind sliding over to less power, but RWD and M6.
even in '05 It was either a new 29k GTO or a used 28k Termy, that would have already had bald tires. I just want people to understand, and they should already since I have a Poncho and a Ford, that I'm no brand whore, and I appreciate all. I just had a bitchin' heavily modded GTP Pace Car that I loved, and the GTO had a similar look that I already was familiar with, that I didn't mind sliding over to less power, but RWD and M6.
I never dynoed it, but it was faster than my GTO, when I got my GTO, and my GTO ran a 13.03@108.9 stock.
Edit-- pic of said GTP. 1998 Daytona 500 Pacecar #1321/1500
Sweet f*cking GTP man. Did you ever do business with 3800performance.com? I have thought about it for along time, but I'm thinking of getting a 3800 motor and building it. There are tons of parts out for them, just cant decide if I want the GTP, or a Monte Carlo SS/SC, Earnhardt Edition. I know on 3800perf.com, one of their GTP's ran low 13's with one of their performance packages, so your GTP must have had a sh*tload done to it.
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