Anyone heard word of a new engine line up for 2009? With the new camaro hitting the road in 09, I think ford needs to make some changes other than the V6 change they already have planned. Like the base GT getting a 400 hpSC 4.6 and the base Shelby getting a NA 5.4. What do you guys think?

A 4.6 is going to be hard to compete against at 400hp 6.0.
But, the Camaro is going to have a hard time competing against the price point of the Stang.

Is that 400hp supercharged 4.6? No way are they going to add a supercharger to every mustang gt. The price would skyrocket. It's not like ford is making their own superchargers for pennies.

It'd be nice if ford could just stroke the current motor and add some forged rods while they are changing things.

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the Camaro is going to have a hard time competing against the price point of the Stang.



+1

I havent read yet,but I cant seethe V-8 camaro being much cheaper than the Challenger SRT. Personally, at such a price difference, its not all fair to compare the stangs with those other two.

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Is that 400hp supercharged 4.6? No way are they going to add a supercharger to every mustang gt. The price would skyrocket. It's not like ford is making their own superchargers for pennies.

It's be nice if ford could just stroke the current motor and add some forged rods while they are changing things.



I agree, it doesn't make cents [8D]

I think you may see a boost to the current 3v 4.6 with a revised head and/or revised intake as well as a remapped OEM tune and perhaps freer flowing exhaust. Should be good for an additional 50hp+ at the crank (350hp+).

Kind of like when they took the new edge mustangs and bumped the GT from 225 to 260 (35 hp) with the revised intake system or the 3.8L from 150 to 190hp with new heads and intake. It's amazing what attention to the intake and head setup does.

i've heard from several sources that mustangs were getting 5.8 and 6.1L engines for 2009. not sure how accurate this info is though

Of course its the same ol'e deal over and over again. Lets face it. As usual the stock camaro Will out perform the stock or- GT simply because its Built to do that.
The camaro from its inception is a mustang ripoff, the fact that gm waits until the mustang is on the road before setting goals and getting deturned engines from the vette is a 'johnny come lately' approach to so-called competing. xactly why the camaro, although a good car, is somewhat a cheater. NOW the problem is Ford. FORD wants to caiter to too broad of a demographic.
And everytime they do that, (designing for women and 50year olds) they fail. the FordGT shouldve stayed in production, beings fords TRUE sports car and flagship, which like the camaro and the vette, make the mustang a much better car- as long as ford made quality parts specific for each vehicle (WHICH they dont). Todays mustang is still WAY to heavy for its size. And droping bigger sized engines isnt the answer. Thats always been the american aproach, and its a foolish one. Weight reduction is the key. (ask any racer) the mustangs unsprung weight is horribly to much. and screw all the talk about a short wheelbase being the problem. Porsches have been doing it for years, and theyre porportions arent that different from the stangs (abliet the engines in the back).
the mustang needs a shorter not taller. (c.o.grvity) lighter, andeven a tad wider. Even just loosing weight would make the current car SCREAM!! the camaro is making up that xtra weight with hp per liter. but it. like all camaros will be a heavy beast too. thats why i love saleens, theyre setup for tracks, not drag strips. Both are great fun, but precision driving rules. draging get boaring and VERY expensive after a while

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Of course its the same ol'e deal over and over again. Lets face it. As usual the stock camaro Will out perform the stock or- GT simply because its Built to do that.
The camaro from its inception is a mustang ripoff, the fact that gm waits until the mustang is on the road before setting goals and getting deturned engines from the vette is a 'johnny come lately' approach to so-called competing. xactly why the camaro, although a good car, is somewhat a cheater. NOW the problem is Ford. FORD wants to caiter to too broad of a demographic.
And everytime they do that, (designing for women and 50year olds) they fail. the FordGT shouldve stayed in production, beings fords TRUE sports car and flagship, which like the camaro and the vette, make the mustang a much better car- as long as ford made quality parts specific for each vehicle (WHICH they dont). Todays mustang is still WAY to heavy for its size. And droping bigger sized engines isnt the answer. Thats always been the american aproach, and its a foolish one. Weight reduction is the key. (ask any racer) the mustangs unsprung weight is horribly to much. and screw all the talk about a short wheelbase being the problem. Porsches have been doing it for years, and theyre porportions arent that different from the stangs (abliet the engines in the back).
the mustang needs a shorter not taller. (c.o.grvity) lighter, andeven a tad wider. Even just loosing weight would make the current car SCREAM!! the camaro is making up that xtra weight with hp per liter. but it. like all camaros will be a heavy beast too. thats why i love saleens, theyre setup for tracks, not drag strips. Both are great fun, but precision driving rules. draging get boaring and VERY expensive after a while




The motor in the Camaro/Firebird is the same as the Corvettes it isnt detuned. LT1=LT1 LS1=LS1 etc etc.

The f-body has just about all ways (at least for the 4th gen) got the same exact engine as the Vette. It's just that ford doesnt ever have anything to compete with it stock for stock.....Look how everything is right now ford has the 4.6 and 5.4. Chevy has the LS series engine.....and the up and comeing gen V Direct injection V8. Ford has what comeing up? (that has been announced)
Ford is even now talking about getting rid of the V8 (in most applacations) does this meen that it will be the end of the true GT Mustang? (I hope not) But ford has been know to make alota screw ups look at when they jumped to the modular engine format. I could really see Ford putting ina Turbo V6 for the GT Stang....[&:][:'(]

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............Ford is even now talking about getting rid of the V8 (in most applacations) does this meen that it will be the end of the true GT Mustang? (I hope not) But ford has been know to make alota screw ups look at when they jumped to the modular engine format. I could really see Ford putting ina Turbo V6 for the GT Stang....[&:][:'(]



I think Ford knows better than to get rid of the v8..... most people without technical knoledge or consumers that are not advanced in tech specs (btw I dont know much myself, but enough to know this, lol) and the insides of a cars workings just know that if I buy a v8 im buying a high performacne car.... try convincing them a V6 well done will beat a V8 and theyll never believe you, but it is true. With that being said Ford always outdoes the Camaro in sales terms... which is an area where Ford will not want to lose its advantage, thus, never will the V8 go away. But I will say this just to clear things up... that Im not bashing the Camaro.... its an excellent car just like the Mustang....without the Camaro who else would we have to beat on the track and see it in the rear-view mirror, j/k, lol.

btw.... a V6 turbo is so a European car company thing to do!

Derf00 is pretty close,this what I've been told. The v6 will be the same type engine as the Edge has (with a few tweeks). Rumor; it may have a turbo (looking at around 340 hp). I don't exspect this to happen until the new v8 engines hit the road. The v8 on the other hand for 2009 will have a new intake system with new heads with new cams. Looking around 340hp. But that will be just to get by until 2010 when the new engines will be the famed Hurricane engines.

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. But that will be just to get by until 2010 when the new engines will be the famed Hurricane engines.


Actually, they aren't calling those powerplants "Hurricane", they will be known as"Boss"engines, and the 1st one is sceduled to debut in the next all new F-150, at6.2 liters.

2009's will have the same 3v 4.6L that the current Mustang's have. We're going to have to wait out the S197 just a little bit longer.

The last I heard there will be no 5.0L version of the 5.8L/6.2L Boss/Hurricane for the Mustang/Explorer. They will have to make do with the 5.8L version.:D

The Mustang cant support an engine line on its on. We will eventually get the 5.8L. When is anybodies guess.

The goal for the 5.8L is to exceed the output of the 5.7L Hemi. For those that havnt heard thetarget just moved. 2009 5.7L Hemi VVT380 bhp 404 lb-ft.

Hopefully Ford with make another Police Package Mustang..seein as howa few agencys around here,including highway patrolhave already ordered a few Camaro's...

oh as far as small displacement mustangs..*cough cough* SVO *cough cough*

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A 4.6 is going to be hard to compete against at 400hp 6.0.
But, the Camaro is going to have a hard time competing against the price point of the Stang.



chevy is not dropping a 6.0 LS2 in the new camaro. the LS2 is "supposively" going out of mass marketing. ive heard rumors of the LS3 6.3L stepping in but nothing is for sure yet. theres more certainty of what the challenger is going to have.. and its coming out before the new fbody.

so the new body style mustang will be in 2010? I thought it was supposed to be a 2009 release.

well the thing is that camaros have kinda always been a little faster then the mustang! i mean the biggest engine ford really has is the 5.4 but look at the price of it. camaro have the 5.7 LS1 whichis a best. my brother has a z28 beats me ever time not by much but we are talking stock all we have would be cold airs..ford needs something bigger but that doesnt run at 30,000

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0605_2009_muscle_car_comparison/interior_engines_pricing.html

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There is no replacement for displacement. The ls1's that came out in 99 were 5.7 liter(347ci) motors. I dont understand why ford is sticking with the 5.4(329ci) so tight. The corvette's now have 427ci motors. Ford wouldn't need a supercharger either if they would up the liters and design aluminum heads that would help them get what they need. I am around nuthin but chevy guys and to be honest ford cannot compete with chevy unless the come with something else. Every since the ls1 has come out ford has been more about designing than horsepower. A stock 99 camaro z28 will blow away a stock 99 gt. This is what you hear from chevy guys "Ford has to make the horsepower that chevy makes with a supercharger. What happens when the chevy adds a supercharger(2009 chevrolet corvette z06)?." I hear this 3,4,5 times a week. I have an idea for the 2009 ford mustang gt. Take a 5.8 liter ford motor goodheads, mild cam, bigger injectors, better mass air, bigger throttle body, delete the back seat(real sports cars dont need back seats too much weight), come out with a t-top version along with a convertible. For the 2009 shelby use exact same motor but design as a turbo motor. Make the compression low so you can put at least 10 pounds of boost into the stock motor. This will leave room for the consumer to modify an already fast sports car as chevys do. I am aMUSTANG MAN and this chevy crap is getting out of hand. Ifford waits to long we will never catch them.

Well...instead of trying to perfect a pushrod since the inception like chevy, ford has dabled in more progressive technology. I don't know if you will notice something, but if chevy made the same displacement engine...they tend to be lower horsepower than ford engines. Ford doesn't make huge production engines, because they chose not to. Furthermore, who cares if you use a supercharger to make your power? Displacement isn't always that big of a deal. Look at the supra, they can strap jet engine sized turbo's onto em and make well over 1000hp plus they are lighter. If you have to have low end torque, you will hate the smaller displacement engines...but if you want to feel like you're taking off in a jet at higher rpm....have a little faith. Plus, you can always get nitrous systems for turbo'd engines that shoot a 50 shot at low rpm to get em spooled by 2000 rpm....then ur pulling till redline.

hotrod magazine says ford has a modular boss engine (6.2 liter) slated for the f-150 in 09 and the stang in 2010.

I heard on the 2010 forums that project was scrapped once the CAFE standards were put in place.

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I heard on the 2010 forums that project was scrapped once the CAFE standards were put in place.

I heard that also. I think these new CAFE standards is going to kill this current horsepower war that is going on now. That would suck if the mid 70's came back in horsepower terms. [:'(]

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I heard on the 2010 forums that project was scrapped once the CAFE standards were put in place.

I heard that also. I think these new CAFE standards is going to kill this current horsepower war that is going on now. That would suck if the mid 70's came back in horsepower terms. [:'(]


I wouldn't count on it, this time around we have direct injection, cylinder deactivation, VVT, etc etc etc. However, Chevy will probably have a hard time with their ancient push rod crap...thats why the new c7 vette is supposedly getting a 400 or less horsepower 4.9l (it will be 400 lbs lighter tho). This is where ford will shine, we have had practice at making efficient engines...whereas chevy has kinda been using the same old bag of tricks for 20 years...

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A 4.6 is going to be hard to compete against at 400hp 6.0.
But, the Camaro is going to have a hard time competing against the price point of the Stang.



chevy is not dropping a 6.0 LS2 in the new camaro. the LS2 is "supposively" going out of mass marketing. ive heard rumors of the LS3 6.3L stepping in but nothing is for sure yet. theres more certainty of what the challenger is going to have.. and its coming out before the new fbody.


Yes, the LS2 will be retired.
The New Camaro may start out in 09 with the L76 6.0L that is offered in the G8 Pontiac now rated at 361hp but the camaro version may have 400hp or the LS3 6.2L at 425hp.
The V6 looks like it may have the Northstar 3.8L 300hp DI
GM has also stated that the Camaro will Cost the same as the Mustang, maybe 1500 more but not much more than that,
so Ford needs to step it up here.

I'm not losing sleep yet. I been out of the auto game for a while, but I know well enough to not panic too much about a car that doesnt exist yet. Chevy says they want these cars with 400 hp to be priced at (or a liitle above) the GT. This is no easy feat. Hell, Ford pulled it off in no small way by keeping a solid axle in the car.

Chevy will be sharing the Camaro platform with a 4 door version. This will change the handling and feel of the 2 door, make no mistake of it (where as the Stang was designedfrom aft to stern as a stand alone2 doorplatform from jump street)

you can shove a 700 hp engine in a station wagon, it doesnt make it a fun car to drive. There are still many more important charachteristics to a car than just the hp or torque of an engine.

so you gotta supercharge an engine to make power. yipty do!!!!
with the possible new Cafe standards looming over the muscle car's heads, who do you think has a better chance of surviving. the big displacement pushrods from Chevy, or Ford's ability to get damn good power out of less displacement, with a rock solid aftermarket support.

I'm a Chevy guy more than a Ford guy believe it or not, but I bought a Mustang for a reason ;)
I aint losing a bit of sleep over it. IF a Chevy guy is busting your balls, look him in the eye and say "dude, you cant show off a car that doesnt exist yet"!

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GM has also stated that the Camaro will Cost the same as the Mustang, maybe 1500 more but not much more than that,




as I said in the post above, I'll believe this when I see it.

heck, the GT 500 is supossed to sell for 40 - 45g's, go to a Ford dealer with 45g cash and watch them laugh at you.

Its funny how all you dog GM's engines saying they are dinosauric and won't survive the cafe requirements. All your ideas are based on the mustang having an sohc engine, and there so much more technically advanced, B/S. The camaro will have DOD (displacement on demand). GM already has a DOD engine they have been using for 3 years, 05 grand prix gxp ls4. Also the 08 cts already has direct-injection, wheres fords DI? I personally don't know the percentage of v8 to v6 mustangs sales. But if I were you guys I would really be scared of CAFE. The more the popular mustangs sell v8s the more that pulls fords CAFE down, so the very popularity of the mustang could make ford put a supercharged v6 gt.

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Its funny how all you dog GM's engines saying they are dinosauric and won't survive the cafe requirements. All your ideas are based on the mustang having an sohc engine, and there so much more technically advanced, B/S. The camaro will have DOD (displacement on demand). GM already has a DOD engine they have been using for 3 years, 05 grand prix gxp ls4. Also the 08 cts already has direct-injection, wheres fords DI? I personally don't know the percentage of v8 to v6 mustangs sales. But if I were you guys I would really be scared of CAFE. The more the popular mustangs sell v8s the more that pulls fords CAFE down, so the very popularity of the mustang could make ford put a supercharged v6 gt.
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GM fanboy, please go away. Its funny however, how you quote engines that willmost likely notgo in the cars that we are talking about (even if it is the one from the G8because DODwill dojack **** if the car weighs 500lb's more). Once again, this is all speculation but all of Chevy's "high performance" engines don't utilize the very things you are talking about... look at the vette (ls3, ls7, ls9) DOD? no. Hmm.... guess I named all of chevy's V8 "performance" engines for last years model run. Who cares if the nextL"who gives a crap" engine has DOD, it will still be lower than ford because they have almost 2L more than the other competitors engines. The only thing im looking forward too is GM's supposedly 4.9L (350hp, lol) c7 vette engine. Now go tattle to your GM forums...


Furthermore, if you don't know the ratio of v6 to v8 sales, then you sure are not the one to comment on what you think we should be afraid of. Its like the bratty twelve year old telling the parent what to do. Ford has been dominating the pony car game since its inception. This time, ford will put the nail in the coffin, so make sure you get a new camaro...you probably won't be getting another one.

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GM has also stated that the Camaro will Cost the same as the Mustang, maybe 1500 more but not much more than that,




as I said in the post above, I'll believe this when I see it.

heck, the GT 500 is supossed to sell for 40 - 45g's, go to a Ford dealer with 45g cash and watch them laugh at you.



Theres one problem with what you just said....

The Camaro ISNT going to be a limited production car. So belive what you want but the camaro is going to be the best bargain car.

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GM has also stated that the Camaro will Cost the same as the Mustang, maybe 1500 more but not much more than that,




as I said in the post above, I'll believe this when I see it.

heck, the GT 500 is supossed to sell for 40 - 45g's, go to a Ford dealer with 45g cash and watch them laugh at you.



Theres one problem with what you just said....

The Camaro ISNT going to be a limited production car. So belive what you want but the camaro is going to be the best bargain car.



There's one problem with what you just said...

The GT500 really isn't either. It is basically the SVT....OH, and the fact that the camaro isn't going to be 500hp too...

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GM has also stated that the Camaro will Cost the same as the Mustang, maybe 1500 more but not much more than that,




as I said in the post above, I'll believe this when I see it.

heck, the GT 500 is supossed to sell for 40 - 45g's, go to a Ford dealer with 45g cash and watch them laugh at you.



Theres one problem with what you just said....

The Camaro ISNT going to be a limited production car. So belive what you want but the camaro is going to be the best bargain car.



There's one problem with what you just said...

The GT500 really isn't either. It is basically the SVT....OH, and the fact that the camaro isn't going to be 500hp too...



You like to be a Ford fan boy dont you....
The GT500 isa limited production car. The production numbers for the GT500 for 2007 is 10,000 units.
The truth is the Camaro is going to be priced right with the current stang models. So youll be looking ata 400hp+ car for around 29k.

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Its funny how all you dog GM's engines saying they are dinosauric and won't survive the cafe requirements. All your ideas are based on the mustang having an sohc engine, and there so much more technically advanced, B/S. The camaro will have DOD (displacement on demand). GM already has a DOD engine they have been using for 3 years, 05 grand prix gxp ls4. Also the 08 cts already has direct-injection, wheres fords DI? I personally don't know the percentage of v8 to v6 mustangs sales. But if I were you guys I would really be scared of CAFE. The more the popular mustangs sell v8s the more that pulls fords CAFE down, so the very popularity of the mustang could make ford put a supercharged v6 gt.
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GM fanboy, please go away. Its funny however, how you quote engines that willmost likely notgo in the cars that we are talking about (even if it is the one from the G8because DODwill dojack **** if the car weighs 500lb's more). Once again, this is all speculation but all of Chevy's "high performance" engines don't utilize the very things you are talking about... look at the vette (ls3, ls7, ls9) DOD? no. Hmm.... guess I named all of chevy's V8 "performance" engines for last years model run. Who cares if the nextL"who gives a crap" engine has DOD, it will still be lower than ford because they have almost 2L more than the other competitors engines. The only thing im looking forward too is GM's supposedly 4.9L (350hp, lol) c7 vette engine. Now go tattle to your GM forums...


Furthermore, if you don't know the ratio of v6 to v8 sales, then you sure are not the one to comment on what you think we should be afraid of. Its like the bratty twelve year old telling the parent what to do. Ford has been dominating the pony car game since its inception. This time, ford will put the nail in the coffin, so make sure you get a new camaro...you probably won't be getting another one.

Actually the Camaro with the Zeta Frame is going to weight about 100 lbs more than our S197's The prototypes (not Concept) already are there.

GM changed the Name of the DOD to AFM (Active Fuel Managment) this will turn off the injectors and spark to cylinders at low power situations like highway cruising. They have already stated that the Camaro will exceed CAFE standards and will be closer to the 2020 standards with their next Gen IV and Gen V Engines.Take all you know about GM LS motors and throw it out the windowsbecause the New one are going to be world class. So again Ford needs to setup and work on better fuel managment and maybe larger displacment engines that get 30mpg, GM is. Don't hate the GM products, they have always been one step ahead of Ford in HP, and they always will. One engine that is slated for the Camaro is the 3.8L DI 300hp V6 lets see Ford get that from their 3.8L or 4.0 N/A ain't going to happen.

When Hilary wins and gets into office she has already stated that one funding options for the National Health care is increasing the National Gas Tax and over3 years to meet with current European prices, (Yes look forward to $7.00 per gal gas)Why do you think europe pays such high prices, Oil is a commodity that is traded world wide so what we pay per barrel they pay.How else does one pay for health care for all? you got to get the money from somewhere.

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You like to be a Ford fan boy dont you....
The GT500 isa limited production car. The production numbers for the GT500 for 2007 is 10,000 units.
The truth is the Camaro is going to be priced right with the current stang models. So youll be looking ata 400hp+ car for around 29k.





You should talk, why are you on a mustang forum anyway. To keep us in check? If the new Chevy engines are what they say they are thats great, but you need to realize the only reason they are up on ford in HP is because of the larger displacement. Period. I would like to see where you get the numbers for GM getting 30mpg, link me and I will get off the topic.

Furthermore, lets not bring in Hilary, she isn't going to win, let alone get the nomination. Lets keep the topic on cars for I am guilty of letting political crap get out of hand.

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You like to be a Ford fan boy dont you....
The GT500 isa limited production car. The production numbers for the GT500 for 2007 is 10,000 units.
The truth is the Camaro is going to be priced right with the current stang models. So youll be looking ata 400hp+ car for around 29k.





You should talk, why are you on a mustang forum anyway. To keep us in check? If the new Chevy engines are what they say they are thats great, but you need to realize the only reason they are up on ford in HP is because of the larger displacement. Period. I would like to see where you get the numbers for GM getting 30mpg, link me and I will get off the topic.

Furthermore, lets not bring in Hilary, she isn't going to win, let alone get the nomination. Lets keep the topic on cars for I am guilty of letting political crap get out of hand.


Larger displacement isnt really true the north star V8 witch isa 4.6 put out 300hp in 1996....the new 05 Mustangs are just now reaching that mark.

Im here because I enjoy the people. I cant help your not educated in Chevy's.

The LS7 Vette gets about 30MPG highway....
The 5.3L impala gets 28MPG highway.

The northstar isnt an engine that chevy uses in anytrue performance models.Also, CAFE and I am refering to average. Not highway. I would love to be wrong for I actually like the looks of the new camaro, but I'm looking for the more technical performance engine this time around... Not another pushrod...I wonder if they'll actually develop a new engine for this car or use the same parts bin like most of their other cross platform cars.

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The northstar isnt an engine that chevy uses in anytrue performance models.Also, CAFE and I am refering to average. Not highway. I would love to be wrong for I actually like the looks of the new camaro, but I'm looking for the more technical performance engine this time around... Not another pushrod...I wonder if they'll actually develop a new engine for this car or use the same parts bin like most of their other cross platform cars.


The north star is used in the STS DTS ETC.

Regardless of the engine specs, price point, exterior good looks they sure the heck mess up the interior enough to put anyone off from buying one. Compared to ours the gauges are cheap and ugly and tacky. The buttons and control nobs look cheap and awkward. I thought most redesigns were supposed to enspire not repel customers and should atleast look user friendly.

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http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-200...th-motion-blur

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You should talk, why are you on a mustang forum anyway. To keep us in check? If the new Chevy engines are what they say they are thats great, but you need to realize the only reason they are up on ford in HP is because of the larger displacement. Period. I would like to see where you get the numbers for GM getting 30mpg, link me and I will get off the topic.


I am a Mustang Owner and Love my Car, I just Like the Camaro too. I wish the Mustang had more power and better milage
I hope that Ford introduces these in 2009 or 10,

The LS2 6.0-liter V8 was pulled straight from the current Corvette. The addition of a cylinder deactivation system gets mileage close to 30 mpg on the highway, according to GM.
Here is one article about the MPG of the Camaro (Click for First Article) (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/detroit_2006_is.html)
and there doing it with the LS2 Concept using AFM (Click for 2nd Article), (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/detroit/2006/chevroletcamaro.htm)

So I have no doubt that the new generation V8 engines will get at least 30mpg highway.

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Regardless of the engine specs, price point, exterior good looks they sure the heck mess up the interior enough to put anyone off from buying one. Compared to ours the gauges are cheap and ugly and tacky. The buttons and control nobs look cheap and awkward. I thought most redesigns were supposed to enspire not repel customers and should atleast look user friendly.

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http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-200...th-motion-blur


Did you notice the gauge in the upper left under the radio?
It's a Torque Gauge and it's top range is 370 Ft Lbs Tq This is the V6....
I am sure it will not reach that but impressive

The F-Body will out perform the 2009 Mustang (been that way since the LS1).
The Mustang will out sell the F-Body (since the beginning of time)...

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Regardless of the engine specs, price point, exterior good looks they sure the heck mess up the interior enough to put anyone off from buying one. Compared to ours the gauges are cheap and ugly and tacky. The buttons and control nobs look cheap and awkward. I thought most redesigns were supposed to enspire not repel customers and should atleast look user friendly.

[sm=wtf.gif]

http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-200...th-motion-blur


Did you notice the gauge in the upper left under the radio?
It's a Torque Gauge and it's top range is 370 Ft Lbs Tq This is the V6....
I am sure it will not reach that but impressive


Might just be a default gauge regardless of engine but that was supposed to be the v6...

ORIGINAL: 05MidBlueGT

The F-Body will out perform the 2009 Mustang (been that way since the LS1).
The Mustang will out sell the F-Body (since the beginning of time)...




*cough* LT1 not just LS1....

EcoBoost Twin-Turbo V8? lo l[8D]

ORIGINAL: OhioState87

EcoBoost Twin-Turbo V8? lo l[8D]

supposedly one is to go into the F-150 under either the Lightning/Harley Davidson/Raptor(off-road baja truck)

YEAH MAN THAT WOULD BE AWESOME... FORD NEEDS TO KEEP THE TRUE MUCSLE CAR NAME FOR MUSTANGS

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0803_2010_ford_mustang/

Here's the low down on what ford plans on doing through 2010 more or less with the engines. The 4.6L itself will remain the same. Ford will simply add an Air-intake (like the aftermarket ones) and remap with a more agressive timing curve (like the aftermarket tuners already do) so HP will be 315 vs 300. 4.0L stays the same, and the 3.5 Twin turbo will be introduced. It's capable of 400+ HP

In another article of the same issue (I have it at home) There's already speculation about the death of the new Camaro because of the CAFE standards that are coming up. What's really bad for GM is that they will introduce the V8 first, then 6 months later, the V6. IMO they should release both at the same time since the V6 has always made up the majority of sales for any car of this segment (even the mustang). Doing a V8 first will simply kill off the interest for those that don't care about a V8.

GM has also dropped its plans for Super V-8's in it's Escalade and Yukon high end models settling on smaller engines with comparable output and better fuel efficiency. Vette won't be affected because it's a niche car and they can tack an extra tax onto it to ignore the CAFE standards. Dodge wasn't really mentioned in the article(s).

Man... I'd be happy if the new 4.6 is forged at least....they don't need to be huge, just support a lot more power stock. Then we could blow the heck out of it with no worries.;)

i heard the have the boss302,an actual5.0 400hpcammer. it should take care ofthe camaro

1st off i am a fan of ford and gm but the chevy guys are talking about displacement being the answer to h.p. then why does a 4.6L MAKE 300HP AND A 5.7 LS1 MAKE 315-350HP. 350CID- 281CID= 69CID MORE TO MAKE 15HP. So you chevy guys think ford should go back to pushrods and raise the cid to make the same power

balbert

1st off i am a fan of ford and gm but the chevy guys are talking about displacement being the answer to h.p. then why does a 4.6L MAKE 300HP AND A 5.7 LS1 MAKE 315-350HP. 350CID- 281CID= 69CID MORE TO MAKE 15HP. So you chevy guys think ford should go back to pushrods and raise the cid to make the same power

Why start a useless argument in your first post? This thread is about the possibilties and speculation of the 2009+ engines in the Ford Mustang. Just not read the title of the thread? Did you click on this thread instead of "let's start some **** today" thread?

Sorry fellas, but blatant, useless, ignorance just pushes my buttons.

Maybe there should be a test in order to create a profile here? Maybe smarter than the keyboard, yes? [&:]


- C

im not trieng to start anything, it's just that nobody ever gives the 4.6 it's props. i'm sorry if you took my post the wrong way.

ORIGINAL: myredgt

balbert

1st off i am a fan of ford and gm but the chevy guys are talking about displacement being the answer to h.p. then why does a 4.6L MAKE 300HP AND A 5.7 LS1 MAKE 315-350HP. 350CID- 281CID= 69CID MORE TO MAKE 15HP. So you chevy guys think ford should go back to pushrods and raise the cid to make the same power

Why start a useless argument in your first post? This thread is about the possibilties and speculation of the 2009+ engines in the Ford Mustang. Just not read the title of the thread? Did you click on this thread instead of "let's start some **** today" thread?

Sorry fellas, but blatant, useless, ignorance just pushes my buttons.

Maybe there should be a test in order to create a profile here? Maybe smarter than the keyboard, yes? [&:]


- C



I think ur just being an asshole yourself, you have the blatant and useless part down...what does calling out a noob do...make you feel better?

kyle2k

I think ur just being an asshole yourself, you have the blatant and useless part down...what does calling out a noob do...make you feel better?


Actually, yes. :)

If your first post can blatantly start a useless argument, especially when there are Chevy/GM fans that visit this board regularly, I think you should be called out. I apologize if my pointing at the obvious made anyone actually have to think for themselves, but posting quality, especially in your first post, should be up front and foremost in all your posts.

Honestly, I see Ford making the neccessay changes to the engine lineup and possibly adding the 3.5 v6, but that would be way down the road. The reason the 4.0 is good is becasue it is alot cheaper to produce.

That being said, kyle2k, since your post didn't effect this thread in a positive way, as you didn't really look down upon the useless GM bashing by balbert, which he came back and posted and he is fine now, you simply called me out, which I hope that makes you feel better, here's a question. Actually you know what, it's not worth it. Continue with your internet life. I'm going to drive my Shelby s197 and be proud. ;)

- C


ps. Peace. Love. Recycle. [8D]

[quote]ORIGINAL: Derf00

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0803_2010_ford_mustang/

Here's the low down on what ford plans on doing through 2010 more or less with the engines. The 4.6L itself will remain the same. Ford will simply add an Air-intake (like the aftermarket ones) and remap with a more agressive timing curve (like the aftermarket tuners already do) so HP will be 315 vs 300. 4.0L stays the same, and the 3.5 Twin turbo will be introduced. It's capable of 400+ HP
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I'm confused.... did you and I just read the same article? (I clicked on the link you provided) Because in the article I read the writer states that the 4.6 will NOT remain the same, but rather be replaced by a 5.0 thatis evolvingfrom the current 3 valve motor.They aren't just adding an aftermarket intake, (like they did w/ the latest Bullitt Mustang) The writer wastalkingabout how Fordplans on using some of the lessons learned from the Bullittand applying that tothe new 5.0, for horsepower somewhere in the 325-350 range. So it's not as simple as them using the same 4.6 w/ a cold air intake and different tuning.

bring on the 5.0 and bring on the hp. i love ford no matter the hp arguments with chevy. they have bigger engines anyway so just looking at size of engine... of course they will have more hp. I do like the idea someone mentioned earlier of having stock forged engines because thats a huge problem with me right now if I supercharge, I will have to worry about just how far I go before i drop another 7k or so in forged parts.

ORIGINAL: myredgt

Actually, yes. :)

If your first post can blatantly start a useless argument, especially when there are Chevy/GM fans that visit this board regularly, I think you should be called out. I apologize if my pointing at the obvious made anyone actually have to think for themselves, but posting quality, especially in your first post, should be up front and foremost in all your posts.

Honestly, I see Ford making the neccessay changes to the engine lineup and possibly adding the 3.5 v6, but that would be way down the road. The reason the 4.0 is good is becasue it is alot cheaper to produce.

That being said, kyle2k, since your post didn't effect this thread in a positive way, as you didn't really look down upon the useless GM bashing by balbert, which he came back and posted and he is fine now, you simply called me out, which I hope that makes you feel better, here's a question. Actually you know what, it's not worth it. Continue with your internet life. I'm going to drive my Shelby s197 and be proud. ;)

- C


ps. Peace. Love. Recycle. [8D]



I'm debating your soberness, intelligence, and lack of logic. Furthermore...internet life....are you ****ting me? who has 400+ posts? Get a job hillbilly. Don't fool yourself, if you didn't want an argument you wouldn't have said anything. I like mustangs, im not a GM troll, but as for you... Go drive your GT into a tree asshole.

kyle2k


I'm debating your soberness, intelligence, and lack of logic. Furthermore...internet life....are you ****ting me? who has 400+ posts? Get a job hillbilly. Don't fool yourself, if you didn't want an argument you wouldn't have said anything. I like mustangs, im not a GM troll, but as for you... Go drive your GT into a tree asshole.

Hehehe, I bow to your "master" 'bating abiltiy. ;) I remember years ago when I would get mad at the internet, foums no less. You know the good ol' saying, "arguing on the internet is like a special olympics race, no matter who wins, you're still retarded".

You win. There you go. Feel like a man now? Hehehe [8D]

I will not respond to your juvenile posts, that once again do not add any to this thread. Goodnight.


Back on subject, I do like the engines coming forged, but that just will not be very cost effective. That's the whole reason the GT "only" comes with 300hp. I think they made the winning formula, and while GM, and less as much Dodge, will try to follow this formula, I think Ford is way ahead. Now they just need to bring tiny cars over here to compete with imports, and beef up the trucks which is supposed to happen soon.

Isn't the fiesta supposed to be coming soon?

- C

Well considering what you just said... Maybe offer a higher option of the GT with forged internals and something like 400-425hp? better suspension? things of that nature

josephspann

Well considering what you just said... Maybe offer a higher option of the GT with forged internals and something like 400-425hp? better suspension? things of that nature


Well that wouldn't be so bad at all. I actualy wouldn't mind seeing a 5.4 425hp n/a engine. Maybe another version, like there isn't alot already, but maybe they could make this one in the mid 30's price range, like the terminator, then they would sell alot more, yes? :)

- C

definitely like that idea. It seems that dodge and chevy are offering a few different levels of their models depending on how much money you want to spend for how much power comes with it. a 5.4 na would be a nice higher level Mustang to keep up with these new breeds of chevy and dodge:)

I'm hoping that they add the new engines in production but I don't think it'll happen in 2009. FordSVT has put a 6.2 in a mustang before but it never made production. SVT needs to come back and get to drawing board of a v8 twin turboed mustang.