Spector, why the uproar man? It's a fact that Machs put down at least 280rwhp stock. It's a fact they have 325hp at the crank. Just do the % drivetrain loss thing. USMC wasn't refering to LS1s when he said watch out, he was talking to the OP.
no uproar geez, my gf isnt even that sensitive. i was actually criticizing the people who were getting all butt hurt by this thread.... i think.... i dunno. i just got back from the bar. on vacation with the lady in chicago. btw, anyone ever check out howl at the moon? cool place..... expensive tho, but thats cuz im used to cheap booze from a college town
Ahhh, You lucky dog! I wish I was in Chicago with my girlfriend. I'm stuck here at home with my wife
You're kidding right? Do you really believe those are the best of the best just because you pulled them off the registry? I ran a 13.4 at 106 stock on my 3rd try. Two weeks ago, I watched a 20 year old kid take his yellow stock Mach 5spd 13.2 at 106 on hid first attempt ever at the track. Machs run mid-low 13s with the slightest amont of practice. And before you question my ET, just know I'm being very gentle with it since I inherited a few problems with the 4.10s (traction and wheel hop).
you think you have wheel hop problem's?
come take a ride in mine. your damn head bounce's off the roof
I feel for ya man, that IRS can be a bit ch. You would think a solid rear would stay planted better, but if you ever get a chance, check out the LCAs on a Mach and you'll see why. They are pathetic. The part that connects to the axle is about as big around as a #2 pencil and the other half of the arm is made out of some rubber crap. Looks just like a rubber corndog, literally!
Ummmmm,
LCA = Lower Control Arm
You are describing the upper horizontal axle damper. This is what keeps your car from having major wheel hop. With harder bushings or aftermarket LCA/UCA these can usually be removed.
ORIGINAL: Stone629 I really think we are close to being on the same page, but with a bit of misunderstanding. I'm not speaking of THE best time a stock Mach or stock F-body has ever run. That reward would go to the LS1 no doubt. Frankly, I can't stand when people take literally one or two cars best ETs on a couple occasions (the 12.8-9 stock F-Body for instance) and use it as a weapon in this type of discussion. I also know what these Machs do on a regular basis and it is indeed mid-low 13s. The only proof I have are my own time slips and the memories of what other Mach owners have run at the same track. With mods they are all over the place just like any modded car. F-bodies average the same ETs with obvivously a lot more running low 13s than Machs. I have been the proud owner of two LS1s, and I never said they were not a tick ahead of the Mach. I can pull up good and bad times for either car, but that's not going to prove a thing. You know what you have seen and I know what I've seen. I say we agree to slightly disgaree...
Stone I am with ya here... I just hold the fact that an LS1 can walk away (by my definition) from a Mach in longer races or from roll races just based on trap speed....on ET they are so close I have nothing to say but drivers race down the 1/4 with an advantage to the mach in the 1/8th... Agree to very slightly disagree and we are good. LOL
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I know from first hand experience with a few Mach1's eventually the LS1 will pull away. The LS1 traps higher and has a higher top speed so obviously the power is there.
it depends on auto or m6 for the fbody. 1st gear is tall, which means not alot of torque in the m6. usually fbodies play catchup but the 3rd and 4th gears pull hard. When I was stock except for an intake I raced groundpounder in his mach with 4.10's and it was really close. he was right about at my bumper. I had DR's to his street tires, so i got him out of the hole a little, and he never made it up. real close race.
LS1's will not walk a darn mach or visa/versa...its a driver's race as we all know...remember...lil 281 vs a 346 and you wont know who will win till you see what kind of driver you are up against...mach 1's are superior IN MY OPINION to the LS1 based on less advertised horsepower and the smaller cubes...i'd be rather embarassed to have a 281 right next to me while i'm owning a 346 ls1 and cant pull away from the mach knowing i have more power and bigger cubes...
so for the mustang guys out there...machs rule!
Nothing personal against anyone...so dont take it the wrong way;)
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yeah, the 4.6 is doing far more than the 5.7 thats what that says, think if for made a modular 5.8 your ls7 would be able to touch it! less displacment and same power = as ls1 whos really the efficient motor?
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Actual Z28 = 355 hp and 375 lbf-ft (15% DTL / Assuming 305rwhp and 320rwtrq) - Figures Rounded. Mach 1 = 335 hp and 360 lbf·ft (15% DTL / Assuming 285rwhp and 305 rwtrq) - Figures Rounded.
I won't even get into the fact that you paid more out the door for your less underrated product. (but keeping trying to pull the card if you want)
As far as displacement is concerned... Your OHC setup works harder to make power... I would think GM proved the LS1 was barely utilizing it's cubic inches when they slapped different heads and a cam into the LS1 (obviously it's an LS6 but read up and you will find it's the LS1 with very few changes) and made 400+HP with the LS6 at 5.7L while still getting great mileage and drivability.
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im saying if ford made a 5.8 modular it would over shadow the ls7 power. and your gas mileage has to do with the gearing, i promise you the ls1's with the 4.10 4.30. 4.56's aint getting anywhere close to 28mpg. if i put 2.73's in a stang i'd get that mileage too. and if you say corvette, well **** lemme take 400lbs off a cobra slap some 2.73s on there and then test again.
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2003 Ox Wht Mach 1 1:814 bone stock Her name is Melanie
Actual Z28 = 355 hp and 375 lbf-ft (15% DTL / Assuming 305rwhp and 320rwtrq) - Figures Rounded. Mach 1 = 335 hp and 360 lbf·ft (15% DTL / Assuming 285rwhp and 305 rwtrq) - Figures Rounded.
As far as displacement is concerned... Your OHC setup works harder to make power... I would think GM proved the LS1 was barely utilizing it's cubic inches when they slapped different heads and a cam into the LS1 (obviously it's an LS6 but read up and you will find it's the LS1 with very few changes) and made 400+HP with the LS6 at 5.7L while still getting great mileage and drivability.
b/c its 1.1l of diffrence, its like a 4cyl (2.3)) pumping 320hp and the 3.8 making the same hp, the smaller displacement HAS to push harder.
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im saying if ford made a 5.8 modular it would over shadow the ls7 power. and your gas mileage has to do with the gearing, i promise you the ls1's with the 4.10 4.30. 4.56's aint getting anywhere close to 28mpg. if i put 2.73's in a stang i'd get that mileage too. and if you say corvette, well **** lemme take 400lbs off a cobra slap some 2.73s on there and then test again.
At the same time you have to consider the fact that your car with 2.73s is going to suffer more of a performance hit than that big GM motor... fortunately we don't need to drive around with 4.10s in the back to get down the track. :)
Also...GM has a 3.6L in the new CTS making 300hp and Nissan has 306hp from their 3.5L V6 cars (350Z)
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RE: how would i do against a mach 1 - 
geez, my gf isnt even that sensitive. i was actually criticizing the people who were getting all butt hurt by this thread.... i think.... i dunno. i just got back from the bar. on vacation with the lady in chicago. btw, anyone ever check out howl at the moon? cool place..... expensive tho, but thats cuz im used to cheap booze from a college town 
