no im saying that the car isnt bone stock, stock is the way it comes from the factory IE tires engine tune, suspension. not pulley's, cai,headers and all that other crap. there is no mach 1 from the factory running under 12.5 STOCK, and i think thats a stretch too.
number 45 on the list, nice run 11.9
He is not implying the car is bone stock. All that was said was "stock Mach motor." You can add as many bolt-ons as you like, and the motor can still be stock.
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ive race a hand full of ls1's with my full bolt on gt (old old setup). Never lost. i never raced past mid 4th gear either. I only had 282rwhp with a 2v 4.6L. people will say they werent drove right/running right. I had drag suspension so i could pull so hard out of the hole shot. yeah they have the 130mph+ speed capibility but who cares. I also see a lot of people that say they stuff is better because its theres. Most/all MACH1's drivers dont know how to drive though. I just hate it when people think LS1/f-body's are not the end all engine/car. In my opinion i hate the boat looking f-bodys.
You never beat one credible LS1 ever.
The same cars you beat got beat by stock LT1's and Mustang GT's with 260whp. They all had issues be it high miles and low maintainance or a **** driver.
And you really should take a look at a F-Body beside a Mustang or on a scale. There the same size and almost the same weight.
you mean cuz it wasnt yours
Nope it's just that your car wasn't fast enough to beat LS1's. Unless were talking the 1/8th here since you could hook and they couldn't. As for the roll races my previous reasoning applies.
And Brett please don't ruin this post with the BS drama that has ruined posts here and elsewhere.
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^ Why wouldn't he be able to beat a LS1 if he is putting down 280RWHP? Thats not to far off what an LS1's will lay down, and 20 RWHP could easily be made up by gearing, weight, driver, or any other countless varialbe.
On another page it was said Mach 1's will lay down 280 RWHP, and they are a good run for certain LS1's, depending on gearing, are they not?
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^ Why wouldn't he be able to beat a LS1 if he is putting down 280RWHP? Thats not to far off what an LS1's will lay down, and 20 RWHP could easily be made up by gearing, weight, driver, or any other countless varialbe.
On another page it was said Mach 1's will lay down 280 RWHP, and they are a good run for certain LS1's, depending on gearing, are they not?
This is going to piss a few people off but here it goes, this is why a 280whp gt will not take a LS1.
Even when modded the 2V 4.6 SOHC lacks top end/high RPM power, the LS1 pulls all the way to redline with no drop off. Also the gearing that it takes to make a short breathed GT jump off the line kills it's power anywhere else. The low power band and excess shifting are just good enough for second place.
That is why a Mach1 will beat the same modded GT and also why the Mach1 will have problems with LS1's. The DOHC engine itself is on par with a LS1 but the transmission and gears are not. These are the same reasons a LT1 could usually beat 99-04 GT's.
I have ran several Mach1's in my LS1's and it was always close through 1st and 2nd in 3rd I would just run away.
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no im saying that the car isnt bone stock, stock is the way it comes from the factory IE tires engine tune, suspension. not pulley's, cai,headers and all that other crap. there is no mach 1 from the factory running under 12.5 STOCK, and i think thats a stretch too.
number 45 on the list, nice run 11.9
He is not implying the car is bone stock. All that was said was "stock Mach motor." You can add as many bolt-ons as you like, and the motor can still be stock.
oh ok, i must've missed that my bad
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^ Why wouldn't he be able to beat a LS1 if he is putting down 280RWHP? Thats not to far off what an LS1's will lay down, and 20 RWHP could easily be made up by gearing, weight, driver, or any other countless varialbe.
On another page it was said Mach 1's will lay down 280 RWHP, and they are a good run for certain LS1's, depending on gearing, are they not?
This is going to piss a few people off but here it goes, this is why a 280whp gt will not take a LS1.
Even when modded the 2V 4.6 SOHC lacks top end/high RPM power, the LS1 pulls all the way to redline with no drop off. Also the gearing that it takes to make a short breathed GT jump off the line kills it's power anywhere else. The low power band and excess shifting are just good enough for second place.
That is why a Mach1 will beat the same modded GT and also why the Mach1 will have problems with LS1's. The DOHC engine itself is on par with a LS1 but the transmission and gears are not. These are the same reasons a LT1 could usually beat 99-04 GT's.
I have ran several Mach1's in my LS1's and it was always close through 1st and 2nd in 3rd I would just run away.
I agree completely except for the top end of the Mach. It may not pull as hard as an LS1 on top end, but I have never had an Ls1 run away from me up top. In stock form with 3.55 gears, the Mach will top out in 4th gear at 145mph. 5th gear will continue to pull just as hard. I have a video of a top end run on a "not yet open" interstate with a good friends 6spd Z28 vert. I got a better launch than him and jumped out a by a car or so. All the way to 150mph, he could not close the gap. That's how close they are from start to finish. Ls1s are literally 1-3 tenths, quicker at best -whether it be 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, or on a 8 mile stretch. I have always had the same experience with F-bodies at the track, either I'll get them by a half car or vice-versa. Always very close in trap speed as well. You are right about the 2v and it's limitations. That what I was thinking about as well when I said that the OP would do good from a dig, but that the 4v would catch him and possibly pass at the top.
ive race a hand full of ls1's with my full bolt on gt (old old setup). Never lost. i never raced past mid 4th gear either. I only had 282rwhp with a 2v 4.6L. people will say they werent drove right/running right. I had drag suspension so i could pull so hard out of the hole shot. yeah they have the 130mph+ speed capibility but who cares. I also see a lot of people that say they stuff is better because its theres. Most/all MACH1's drivers dont know how to drive though. I just hate it when people think LS1/f-body's are not the end all engine/car. In my opinion i hate the boat looking f-bodys.
You never beat one credible LS1 ever.
The same cars you beat got beat by stock LT1's and Mustang GT's with 260whp. They all had issues be it high miles and low maintainance or a **** driver.
And you really should take a look at a F-Body beside a Mustang or on a scale. There the same size and almost the same weight.
you mean cuz it wasnt yours
Nope it's just that your car wasn't fast enough to beat LS1's. Unless were talking the 1/8th here since you could hook and they couldn't. As for the roll races my previous reasoning applies.
And Brett please don't ruin this post with the BS drama that has ruined posts here and elsewhere.
Cody your ruinin this post..if you read it the smiley face ment i was giving you crap. in a funny haha kind of way. So tech. you over dramatising another thread. just like cobaltss.net which you were kicked from. come on were is your E-sense of you humor.
mach 1's are superior to LS1's...my opinion of course...nah just messing...
for every argument or discussion of what is better...will never end....i can say that where i am from NO LS1 has ran an 11 n/a on the STOCK MOTOR.....it doesnt mean that they havent done it....i am pretty sure there are plenty of LS1's doing just that....just not here or near here
no im saying that the car isnt bone stock, stock is the way it comes from the factory IE tires engine tune, suspension. not pulley's, cai,headers and all that other crap. there is no mach 1 from the factory running under 12.5 STOCK, and i think thats a stretch too.
number 45 on the list, nice run 11.9
He is not implying the car is bone stock. All that was said was "stock Mach motor." You can add as many bolt-ons as you like, and the motor can still be stock.
thank ya 94Blk5.0!! Someone read my post correctly!
USMCrebel, the last place a respectable person would temp to gather evidence from is streetfire or youtube. And remember I simply said the same holdbacks in the transmission and gears affect the GT and Mach1 equally.
And redstanger your false sense of humor is terrible. It wasn't a joke you were simply trying to imply something which was BS. Your GT just wasn't as fast as you thought it was plain and simple. And please don't bring up other sites like they want you there.
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USMCrebel, the last place a respectable person would temp to gather evidence from is streetfire or youtube. And remember I simply said the same holdbacks in the transmission and gears affect the GT and Mach1 equally.
And redstanger your false sense of humor is terrible. It wasn't a joke you were simply trying to imply something which was BS. Your GT just wasn't as fast as you thought it was plain and simple. And please don't bring up other sites like they want you there.
nice try for a cheap shot but you fail, that is video evidence, hard to argue that. a stock ls1 will not walk a mach 1 not even close to WALKING it. a gt with the exact same hp and gears as a mach 1 will do the same against it as a mach 1. and where would you gather info/proof in video form ? Your ls1 is a wonderful engine, but take your pick the mach 1 the 99-01 cobra, and equally powered gt, will all do the same against a stock LS1= drivers race! you should go check your facts, read LS1 sticky up top and do more HW on the 4v before running your suck, im sorry if that was harsh, but you've exhibited slight ignorance on several occasions and attempt to make your LS1 the end all engine, and its not.
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it STILL baffels me to see die hard LS1 guys log into a MUSTANG FORUM...why? I understand if they had a mustang and a camaro or something but to just have GM stuff in their sig is beyond me...
USMCrebel, the last place a respectable person would temp to gather evidence from is streetfire or youtube. And remember I simply said the same holdbacks in the transmission and gears affect the GT and Mach1 equally.
And redstanger your false sense of humor is terrible. It wasn't a joke you were simply trying to imply something which was BS. Your GT just wasn't as fast as you thought it was plain and simple. And please don't bring up other sites like they want you there.
nice try for a cheap shot but you fail, that is video evidence, hard to argue that. a stock ls1 will not walk a mach 1 not even close to WALKING it. a gt with the exact same hp and gears as a mach 1 will do the same against it as a mach 1. and where would you gather info/proof in video form ? Your ls1 is a wonderful engine, but take your pick the mach 1 the 99-01 cobra, and equally powered gt, will all do the same against a stock LS1= drivers race! you should go check your facts, read LS1 sticky up top and do more HW on the 4v before running your suck, im sorry if that was harsh, but you've exhibited slight ignorance on several occasions and attempt to make your LS1 the end all engine, and its not.
Come on there kiddo think it through.
What is the one thing that 99% of Mustang GT owners do to help it along in the 1/4?
And the answer is: GEARS
Sorry pal but a 280whp GT can mean a bunch of things and can be achieved many ways.
Simply put a geared to hell 280whp GT will loose to a stock 280whp Mach1. Even with heads, cams and an intake the SOHC just won't make the all the way to redline power like the DOHC. Add in all of the excess shifting and it doen't take much to see how this works.
A 280whp Mach1 will be a drivers race for a LS1 with a small advantage to the LS1.
By the way roostracing just because I don't have a Ford in my sig now doesn't mean I didn't have any fun in my 2003 GT or 1991 GT. I could afford to upgrade several times and did so.
ive race a hand full of ls1's with my full bolt on gt (old old setup). Never lost. i never raced past mid 4th gear either. I only had 282rwhp with a 2v 4.6L. people will say they werent drove right/running right. I had drag suspension so i could pull so hard out of the hole shot. yeah they have the 130mph+ speed capibility but who cares. I also see a lot of people that say they stuff is better because its theres. Most/all MACH1's drivers dont know how to drive though. I just hate it when people think LS1/f-body's are not the end all engine/car. In my opinion i hate the boat looking f-bodys.
You never beat one credible LS1 ever.
The same cars you beat got beat by stock LT1's and Mustang GT's with 260whp. They all had issues be it high miles and low maintainance or a **** driver.
And you really should take a look at a F-Body beside a Mustang or on a scale. There the same size and almost the same weight.
you mean cuz it wasnt yours
Nope it's just that your car wasn't fast enough to beat LS1's. Unless were talking the 1/8th here since you could hook and they couldn't. As for the roll races my previous reasoning applies.
And Brett please don't ruin this post with the BS drama that has ruined posts here and elsewhere.
Cody your ruinin this post..if you read it the smiley face ment i was giving you crap. in a funny haha kind of way. So tech. you over dramatising another thread. just like cobaltss.net which you were kicked from. come on were is your E-sense of you humor.
c6z51 is cody? that explains alot. Boy you've come a long way from your Cobalt ss days.
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RE: how would i do against a mach 1 - 
? Your ls1 is a wonderful engine, but take your pick the mach 1 the 99-01 cobra, and equally powered gt, will all do the same against a stock LS1= drivers race! you should go check your facts, read LS1 sticky up top and do more HW on the 4v before running your suck, im sorry if that was harsh, but you've exhibited slight ignorance on several occasions and attempt to make your LS1 the end all engine, and its not. 
