This is probably old news. But I just came across a very funny negative review of the 2005 Mustang GT. It's from Forbes Magazine.

Here's a snippet:

"The Mustang is, of course, a sports car, and its secret lies in offering high horsepower for comparatively low money, but at the expense of sophistication and, in our opinion, the driver's dignity."

It's worth a good laugh.

http://www.forbesautos.com/reviews/2006/ford/mustang/gt/testdrive2.html

What a tool.. He must own a ricer;)

I love those "sophisticated" editors....I drive a Lexus E7niner, drink red wine, and wear Drior jeans with a cute Ralph Lauren sweater vest. (Not to mention I have to ask my wife if its ok to masturbate). I think the Governator put it best....GIRLY MEN:D

ORIGINAL: mynameismike65

I love those "sophisticated" editors....I drive a Lexus E7niner, drink red wine, and wear Drior jeans with a cute Ralph Lauren sweater vest. (Not to mention I have to ask my wife if its ok to masturbate). I think the Governator put it best....GIRLY MEN:D


Very Funny!!!! I agree [sm=funnypostabove.gif]

sadly, i agree with the review. i've seen LOTS of those stereotypes he mentions.

ORIGINAL: mynameismike65

I love those "sophisticated" editors....I drive a Lexus E7niner, drink red wine, and wear Drior jeans with a cute Ralph Lauren sweater vest. (Not to mention I have to ask my wife if its ok to masturbate). I think the Governator put it best....GIRLY MEN:D


Couldn't agree more Mike!

On the next page he quotes this "...the power's delivery often feeling brutal." No sh*t sherlock, it's a V8 mustang.
What a PUSSY!

He needs to go clothesshopping in his"Lexus made by Toyota Motor Company"aka japenese sh*t bucket company, then go have a cup of tea with his boyfriends. Then he shall conclude his day with a round of putt putt at the local country club. Then he shall go home and 'attempt' to have lame sex with his plastic doll wife.

This review pi$$es me off. :D
I would love to shove him inmy "ugly crimson"passenger seat and take him for a real ride, pansy. He probably didn't even take it past 3500 rpms... I can just see him curling up in a little ball whining like a little girl.


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it's not healthy to keep all that inside 07blackgt. let it out.

how's this for passive aggressive.....

F*** you mother****er......

oh, and you're gay. lol

ORIGINAL: mynameismike65

I love those "sophisticated" editors....I drive a Lexus E7niner, drink red wine, and wear Drior jeans with a cute Ralph Lauren sweater vest. (Not to mention I have to ask my wife if its ok to masturbate). I think the Governator put it best....GIRLY MEN:D

LMAO great post;)

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I had a good belly laugh when I read "We feel the design of the new Mustang is not as successful a resuscitation of a brand name as that of DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler 300 sedan. The 300 is a sharp, bold, modern revival of an old name, and it bears contemporary significance. The new Mustang, in comparison, is a trip down memory lane."
When comparing 1st year sales numbers, the new Mustang blewthe Chrysler 300 right out of the water.
Also, I'm sure everyone remembersthe GM fiasco when theytried to revivea brand name from the past(GTO) by going witha contemporary look.
I bet thatanew Mustang probablyblew the doors off theauthor's $50Kset of wheelsbefore he wrote that article.

I agree that the red interior, is and forever will be... ugly.

I bet he drives an elantra :D

hmm in 06 was the base price of a gt 31k? i know for my model year it starts at 25k right? hmm..... maybe fully loaded 31k? i think he needed to double check his facts..


oh... not to forget.. he does compare it to a 4 door sedan with 272 hp that baseline msrp is 35k thats 10k more than the mustang gt... why not just compare the gt to a corvette? blah blah who would buy a gt when you can just buy a corvette lol. what a tool.

Other than the comment about the red interiors, that reviewer was pretty obviously NOT into muscle cars. Yeah, if I wanted a fancy, uber-stylish car with all the creature comforts that I could take to all the coatillians at the country club, a Mustang would not be my choice. I'd by a Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, etc. This guy obviously missed the point of a Mustang: to be loud, brutish, lots of torque and horsepower, and demonically fast. The Mustang has always had a heritage of being a high horsepower car for less money, making it more available to the masses who like to have fun. It's the "People's Muscle Car", in my opinion. This guy was way off-base, and I don't think he really understands what genre the Mustang is intended for.

My $0.02,

David

I'd have to say that Forbes reviewer just doesn't get cars at all. Sounds like he's too concerned with what he looks like.

As far as that high class comment the reviewer made, I've been dragged to a couple "high society" functions, and every time I've parkedmy Mustangright between two "luxury" vehicles (No valet has EVER been allowed to drive my car), someone always says "nice car."

Sleeper2

Who cares!!! like they said in the endthey will sell whatthey make no matter your review. Makes you think how much some companies(imports) pay for a good review.

I get a kick out of people saying the Mustang is a Sports Car.....To me teh Mustang like the Camaro, T/A, Firebirds, Chargers, etc etc. Are Muscle Cars in a Pony Car class not a Sports Car.

When I think Sports Car, I think the Preps at College in their MG's, or Corvettes, with Cashmier Sweaters tied about their necks, (Makes it much easier for the blue collar boys to drag their punk asses to the ground for a lil wake up call). But anywho the article, and writer, contradicts himself quite a bit in that article. Yeah it makes me mad, but then I think of what a butt plug this dude must be, and the stale, fag bags he probably hangs out with, kinda like the tools that don't like Snowboarders at your local resort. And I have to say, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

Happy New Year

Well obviously, as many have already stated, this guy is not into the kind of car that the Mustang is designed to be. Since we've already established that fact, there are a few factual points that he tries to make that are VERY misleading.

For roughly the same price ($31,000 base), we could have an infinitely more refined Lexus from Toyota Motor (we could get a Lexus ES 330 or IS 300) or an Acura from Honda Motor (a TL or a TSX or, for $10,000 less, an RSX).

First of all, if you PAY 31k for a lexus, you're getting one that has NO options whatsoever. The base IS is not better equipped than a Mustang. You're looking at 35k at least for a decent IS. Which brings me to my main point...a lexus or acura or even BMW in that price range is NOT A CONVERTIBLE. The regular GT is, what, 25-26k? You want to compare hardtops (which would still be apples to oranges), you're talking about the lexus being 5-6k MORE than a GT. 10k more if you want it well equipped. Oh you want a coupe? Even more. So its not really for "roughly the same price," you're moving up an entire bracket. Not to mention the Lex puts out about 210 hp at the crank. So exactly what similarities are there between a Mustang GT and Lexus IS that would lead a person to compare the two in a serious review?

As far as pricing the Stang at 40k, lets just be thankful that Ford has a little more common sense than this lame, pseudo-intellectual Forbes reviewer. Ford knows who the people interested in mustangs are. The demographic is made up largely of younger people, and unless you were brought up with a silver spoon in your mouth and mommy and daddy are buying you the car for your sweet 16...chances are if you're young, you can't buy a 40k car unless you're really overextending yourself foolishly. So Ford would end up with a fanbase made up of all young people that really like the Mustang but can't buy one. Yeah, I like Ferarri's too, but they're not seeing any income coming from my wallet because I can't afford one.

What Ford does with the Mustang is provide a "dream car" of sorts. The kind of car that guys like me have loved since we were little kids. and then when we grow up and start making a life for ourselves and start earning our own money, we can actually afford that dream car. What a concept! A desirable object that is actually attainable! Isnt that part of the "american dream" to begin with?

Similarly, if the Challenger comes out, and the lowest base price tag is above 30k, no matter how cool the car looks or how well it performs, it will not be a success. Someone shopping around looking for a car in the mid 30-low 40 price range is probably looking for a luxury car, not a young man's fun car. And a rich man looking for a high performance sports car is going to be looking in the much higher price range, probably for an exotic. They're missing the target completely. Ford gets this right with the V6 Mustang, you can drive off the lot with your dream car and you're paying close to what you'd pay for a freakin' Toyota Corolla or 4 cyl Camry. And they sell about 2.5x as many V6's as they do GTs for that reason...people interested in the cars are generally not spoiled rich pansys. And if you want the GT, its still very affordable. What other car can you get with 300 horses for $25 thou? Even the 350z is gonna run you over 30k for a decent version. Yes, Ford has a monopoly right now on high performance for affordable pricing. Why give that up and charge 40 grand? That would be fatal.

If you step into a Mustang to write a review, and you're expecting to be stepping into a luxury car, obviously you won't be happy. Compare it to similar cars--oh wait, I forgot, the Mustang is the only one that survived. Maybe thats because Ford didn't listen to pansy Forbes reviewers. If you want a luxury car thats quiet and comfortable, and power isn't that important to you, and the look of the mustang isn't up your alley, the Lexus is a fine choice. They're nice cars, if thats what you're looking for. If you really want to start comparing, an IS with comparable power to the GT might be the IS 350, which is going to cost you 10-15k more than a hardtop GT. The very foundation of his entire review is so completely ridiculous that I'm awed that a respected publication would print it.

end rant.

ORIGINAL: frankmarino

Well obviously, as many have already stated, this guy is not into the kind of car that the Mustang is designed to be. Since we've already established that fact, there are a few factual points that he tries to make that are VERY misleading.

For roughly the same price ($31,000 base), we could have an infinitely more refined Lexus from Toyota Motor (we could get a Lexus ES 330 or IS 300) or an Acura from Honda Motor (a TL or a TSX or, for $10,000 less, an RSX).

First of all, if you PAY 31k for a lexus, you're getting one that has NO options whatsoever. The base IS is not better equipped than a Mustang. You're looking at 35k at least for a decent IS. Which brings me to my main point...a lexus or acura or even BMW in that price range is NOT A CONVERTIBLE. The regular GT is, what, 25-26k? You want to compare hardtops (which would still be apples to oranges), you're talking about the lexus being 5-6k MORE than a GT. 10k more if you want it well equipped. Oh you want a coupe? Even more. So its not really for "roughly the same price," you're moving up an entire bracket. Not to mention the Lex puts out about 210 hp at the crank. So exactly what similarities are there between a Mustang GT and Lexus IS that would lead a person to compare the two in a serious review?

As far as pricing the Stang at 40k, lets just be thankful that Ford has a little more common sense than this lame, pseudo-intellectual Forbes reviewer. Ford knows who the people interested in mustangs are. The demographic is made up largely of younger people, and unless you were brought up with a silver spoon in your mouth and mommy and daddy are buying you the car for your sweet 16...chances are if you're young, you can't buy a 40k car unless you're really overextending yourself foolishly. So Ford would end up with a fanbase made up of all young people that really like the Mustang but can't buy one. Yeah, I like Ferarri's too, but they're not seeing any income coming from my wallet because I can't afford one.

What Ford does with the Mustang is provide a "dream car" of sorts. The kind of car that guys like me have loved since we were little kids. and then when we grow up and start making a life for ourselves and start earning our own money, we can actually afford that dream car. What a concept! A desirable object that is actually attainable! Isnt that part of the "american dream" to begin with?

Similarly, if the Challenger comes out, and the lowest base price tag is above 30k, no matter how cool the car looks or how well it performs, it will not be a success. Someone shopping around looking for a car in the mid 30-low 40 price range is probably looking for a luxury car, not a young man's fun car. And a rich man looking for a high performance sports car is going to be looking in the much higher price range, probably for an exotic. They're missing the target completely. Ford gets this right with the V6 Mustang, you can drive off the lot with your dream car and you're paying close to what you'd pay for a freakin' Toyota Corolla or 4 cyl Camry. And they sell about 2.5x as many V6's as they do GTs for that reason...people interested in the cars are generally not spoiled rich pansys. And if you want the GT, its still very affordable. What other car can you get with 300 horses for $25 thou? Even the 350z is gonna run you over 30k for a decent version. Yes, Ford has a monopoly right now on high performance for affordable pricing. Why give that up and charge 40 grand? That would be fatal.

If you step into a Mustang to write a review, and you're expecting to be stepping into a luxury car, obviously you won't be happy. Compare it to similar cars--oh wait, I forgot, the Mustang is the only one that survived. Maybe thats because Ford didn't listen to pansy Forbes reviewers. If you want a luxury car thats quiet and comfortable, and power isn't that important to you, and the look of the mustang isn't up your alley, the Lexus is a fine choice. They're nice cars, if thats what you're looking for. If you really want to start comparing, an IS with comparable power to the GT might be the IS 350, which is going to cost you 10-15k more than a hardtop GT. The very foundation of his entire review is so completely ridiculous that I'm awed that a respected publication would print it.

end rant.



Very nice/thought out post. You hit the nail on the head with everything you said. I love the threads where you can kindof vent and say exactly whats on your mind.

For the price its the best car. has the most power VERY easy to obtain more power. with some modification handles really well. looks really good. drives REALLY good. and is extremely reliable. the only car thats even close in its class i think is the 350z but its slower ( my friend has one its at the dealership more then he has it. and now his car is lemoned after they replaced the engine for the 3rd time for oil consumption. I will NEVER in my life own a honda acura. fwd = ****. i dont understand how someone would call a fwd car sporty. its not!

ORIGINAL: v8pilot

...is extremely reliable...

Thats another thing I noticed in these reviews (C&D especially) is that they say that the stang isn't very reliable...any new car should be reliable. I have never come outside from a store wondering if my car would start.

ORIGINAL: v8pilot

For the price its the best car. has the most power VERY easy to obtain more power. with some modification handles really well. looks really good. drives REALLY good. and is extremely reliable. the only car thats even close in its class i think is the 350z but its slower ( my friend has one its at the dealership more then he has it. and now his car is lemoned after they replaced the engine for the 3rd time for oil consumption. I will NEVER in my life own a honda acura. fwd = ****. i dont understand how someone would call a fwd car sporty. its not!

Don't know about that guy, but I look good in my car wearing my tie.

thats because the guy who wrote the review has no class and horrible taste in cars :D

It seems that the author, Dan Lienert, must have recently been reassigned by Forbes from their culinary and interior design review staff.
Itraded-in a Mercedes for a 2006 Mustang GT, and I've owned several Porsches and BMWs over the years - all fine cars, but the Mustang has nothing to appologize for. It's a blast to drive, and the fun/dollar spent ratio can't be beat. It's my daily driver and I'm having a ball modifying it.
If he'd rather buy and drive a $30,000 Lexus then I wouldn't hold is automotive opinions in high regard. Either you "get it" or you don't, and he don't.

I think I'd turn to Better Homes and Gardens before Forbes if I'm looking for a car review. They should stick to studying mutual funds rather than fine cars.

On the next page he quotes this "...the power's delivery often feeling brutal." No sh*t sherlock, it's a V8 mustang.
What a PUSSY!

yeah man, seriously, thats my favorite thing about my car, the fact that it will throw me back in my seat. i dont know what he's talking about expense of dignity, i love my car and im proud to drive it. ive never had anyone say anything bad about my car, just compliments

ORIGINAL: v8pilot

For the price its the best car. has the most power VERY easy to obtain more power. with some modification handles really well. looks really good. drives REALLY good. and is extremely reliable. the only car thats even close in its class i think is the 350z but its slower ( my friend has one its at the dealership more then he has it. and now his car is lemoned after they replaced the engine for the 3rd time for oil consumption. I will NEVER in my life own a honda acura. fwd = ****. i dont understand how someone would call a fwd car sporty. its not!



The 350Z is not slower then the Mustang. I don't know why people keep saying that. And theZ handles a lot better, so it's more than 'close'.


As for the review, I'm split. They raised some good points, but yet they also made it pretty damn obvious their biased towards refined, luxury-esque cars. But really who cares??? Is the article going to make you go and trade in your Mustang on a Lexus??? If not, don't worry about it.....

On a side note, the other day I watched a lexus tailing a ford pickup. When the pickup hit the brakes the lexus crashed into him then some guy in an SUV behind the lexus crashed into him.

not a dent on the Ford, just a cracked bumper on the SUV.

The lexus looked like someone put a soda can on the ground and stomped on it. I would never buy a lexus even if it were 10K less than the mustang.

^ But you do realize that had that been a more sever accident, the Lexus occupants would have been better protected, right??? Their crumple zones. When they crumple, they absord the impact-energy, therefore, the occupants don't have to....

the 350z IS slower. on forza motorsports show they had on speedchannel a while back they did a base line and the 06 mustang gt kicked its A** down the straight!

^ I REALLY hope you're joking. If not, you're in for a rude awakening....

I can't believe he said it was cheesy.

scg87- motortrend states the gt's time to 100 is 13.3 and the z's is 15.3 however in the curves the z fares alittle better- http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0506_compact_sport_convertibles_comparison/specs_price.html

^ Magazine numbers don't mean anything, man. They can never drive their cars to what they're capable of. But [sm=itsok.gif], you'll learn a lot here. For future reference-

-2006 and back 350Z's are capable of 13.60's w/ a great driver and conditions. Times are verified and stock. Really high 13's and low 14's is the norm, though.

-2007 and up 350Z's are capable of 13.20's w/ a great driver and conditions. Times are verified and stock. Mid-high 13's is theusual.

-2005 and up Mustang GT's have been verified to run 13.40's stock, and there are some claims to a few 13.20-.30 runs, that noone can ever seem to prove for sure. But again, mid-high 13's is the norm.


The reason why so many people think the GT is automatically faster, lies in driver error. Z's are considerably harder to launch than Mustangs, and you often find a mid-40's woman/man driving an auto version of them, and not havng any idea how to drive them.


I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'mknown as one of the resident 'import guys' here, and I try my best to keep a level playing field w/out being biased. I loveall cars, American, Japanese, Euro, doesn't matter. But my primary interest lies in cars that are good in the twisties and ona track, and that's my primary area of knowledge, so I'm known as an 'import guy'here, and try to offer my knowledge in helpful manner.....;)

ha thats funny, he has to own some jap car... there is no way he owns any kind of american car.

I always hate when they have "high class" writers come in and test drive cars. They seem to never write good reviews on muscle cars just the rice burners with their 55 mpg gargage. If you don't want to pay for gas ride a freakin bike.

and also 350z are slow as balls!!! they have terrible excel and top end. the only time you will see or ride in a fast one is if has had an engine swap. which in fact i know someone with 1 and did an engine swap because that motor sucked.

^ Yep. Man, Low-mid 13's is SSOOOOO freaking slow!!!!! Oh, wait, that's what the new GT's run!!! Oops.....:eek:














Damn, you people reallyneed to do some research before making such biased, ignorant statements.......[:@]

i will bet money that a 350Z will lose to a Mustang GT on perfect conditions for both cars

but the 350Z will rape the the Mustang GT in the curves....i don't know where you are getting the thing where the Z is as fast as the Mustang GT, yes it is roughly in the same league but the GT is faster

^ Really?? Since when is a 13.2X sec car faster than a 13.1X sec car????

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840


People can say "...in the real-world this...", "....w/ average drivers that..." "...the GT will win 8 out of 10 times w/ norm drivers...". Whatever. Thats' fine. But to say the GT is faster is DEAD WRONG.The people that always spout off about how slow 350Z's are have no clue what the f#ck they are talking about......

there is no need to argue just accept and move on.

^ Lol, accept what??? Accept that the GT is NOT faster than the 350Z??? I've already done so. I suggest you do the same unless you have the proof to back up your claims.....

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^ Thats what I would expect to hear from someone living in florida. All just a bunch of kids with rich parents buying them crap and developing misinformation and blind pride. Thats okay though, you will be buying your mustangs from the Ford branch of Toyota in about 20 years anyways... All the ignorance on this forum lately is making me lean towards the more mature...YES MORE mature group of individuals on the camaro5 forums. I can assume a lot of flaming to commense so don't waste your breath, I can imagine what you are already going to say. But alteast they can give credit where credit is due.

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^ New guy dealing out the pwnag3. Nice.....[8D]

first off im not rich i bought my car for 4100 and i payed for it and any upgrades i do. idk what forum you talk on and I don't hate camaros so i really don't see why you decided to chirp in anyway. and scg87 y do you care what people think of the 350zs any way? do you work for nissan, do you get paid for saying they go fast and are the best things in the world? Just because someone makes a comment about a random car should not be a start of some rediculous online argument. so it would be great if this would end!

It has nothing to do w/ what kind of car it is. If someone is saying a car is faster than another one, when it's proven not to be, I'll call them out. Just howI am. It's just an effort to keep everyone informed and open-minded. The GT vs 350Z topic pops up quite a bit around here, and it's a debate I have plenty of experience w/ on both sides. I'll leave it that.


If you chose to believe the Z is a slow piece of crap, hey, whatever makes you feel better. If you chose to be open-minded about the matter, do some research, and accept the facts, good for you. Either way, it's your call. Just don't go around spreading fallacy based on your personal,unsupported opinion.....

Everyone likes to dog the Mustang dudes, just get over it. Ppl who don't drive anything that costs less than 40K talk anti-Mustang s**t. Ppl in faster cars talk anti-Mustang s**t, ppl in slower cars talk anti-Mustang s**t. Doesn't take any skin off my back. Just pisses them off that much more when I smoke them off the line.........AND then around the corner.;)