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[QUOTE=Milburn01] its cheaper to upgrade an import compared to domestic.... my friend has a civic.. and we compare the prices of parts.. and how much performance comes out of both.......[/QUOTE]
The MOST expensive I've ever seen a Saturn (hey, domestic econoboxes can compete in this too) was $150, which there ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay when I can make my own for under $15.
A header for my ride you can get from a junkyard for less than $50. Cams? $350 shipped. Heads? Do 'em yourself, c'mon.
Then you sit there and compare the prices and results for small block V8's vs small little puny I4's. The price may be a little more (big may), but the overall result is so much bigger.
You want cheap speed, you buy a RWD Domestic V8.
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(I was going to say gears, but I forgot those piece of sh*t FWD's don't have them!!! lol)
Last time I checked, GSX's are AWD, not FWD.[/QUOTE]
Any car, FWD, AWD, or RWD has gears in it, unless it's on of those f**ked up gearless CVT auto trannies, which are damned rare.
Its really hard to get a N/A import to keep up with domestic. Im not saying it cant be done, but it will take a lot of time and money. The only chance an import would have is if they got a turbo. In the next year, im probably gonna get a turbo in my Celica, and chrome out the engine to make it into show. Im pretty sure that i will be able to hit mid 13's with a turbo, but then again my trans am already runs mid 13's stock. I really respect the Toyota Supras. Ive seen 2 Supras here in Texas, pushing out 1000hp. No s**t. Those engines are durable and can handle a lot of boost without blowing up. All performance parts range in different prices. In some ways a domestic part could cost more and in other ways an import part can cost more. Domestics do get more hp out of mods then an import.
Its really hard to get a N/A import to keep up with domestic. Im not saying it cant be done, but it will take a lot of time and money. The only chance an import would have is if they got a turbo. In the next year, im probably gonna get a turbo in my Celica, and chrome out the engine to make it into show. Im pretty sure that i will be able to hit mid 13's with a turbo, but then again my trans am already runs mid 13's stock. I really respect the Toyota Supras. Ive seen 2 Supras here in Texas, pushing out 1000hp. No s**t. Those engines are durable and can handle a lot of boost without blowing up. All performance parts range in different prices. In some ways a domestic part could cost more and in other ways an import part can cost more. Domestics do get more hp out of mods then an import.
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Any supra that pushes over 500 horsepower, usually has swapped internals.....no way a toyota engine stock will do 1000 hp
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[QUOTE=jeep45238] [QUOTE=Milburn01] its cheaper to upgrade an import compared to domestic.... my friend has a civic.. and we compare the prices of parts.. and how much performance comes out of both.......[/QUOTE]
The MOST expensive I've ever seen a Saturn (hey, domestic econoboxes can compete in this too) was $150, which there ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay when I can make my own for under $15.
A header for my ride you can get from a junkyard for less than $50. Cams? $350 shipped. Heads? Do 'em yourself, c'mon.
Then you sit there and compare the prices and results for small block V8's vs small little puny I4's. The price may be a little more (big may), but the overall result is so much bigger.
You want cheap speed, you buy a RWD Domestic V8.
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yeah it probably did have forged internals. but to have 1000hp, thats insane. i doubt i can hit 1000hp in my trans am even with forged internals. from what i hear, toyota supra engines are very durable, reliable, and can handle a lot of power without blowing.
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yah. dodge Viper engines are like that, sure they cost a ton (well, my buddy just bought an rt/10 1995 with 17k miles for 37k) but he is told they are damn near indestructable.
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chrisle, you need to repeat yourself.
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Its really hard to get a N/A import to keep up with domestic. Im not saying it cant be done, but it will take a lot of time and money. The only chance an import would have is if they got a turbo.[/QUOTE]
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well my import has a 6 in it and it is no joke, that's for sure, but you don't get the same bang for the buck Mod-wise, I know from personal experience!
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the supra turbo 2JZ GTTE engine can handle more than 500 hp on a stock bottom end. the rods alone are rated to 700 hp, and that's the weakest part of the engine. I've said this before. and just last week on Ebay there was a supra for sale, with dyno charts pumping out 958 rwhp. on stock internals. an engine with a death sentance in MO. no cast internals could handle that kind of power under boost, so obviously the internals are forged, not cast. they may not be the strongest internals on the market, but i have only seen one turbo upgrade kit for them that doesnt require 110 octane plus gas. single turbo conversion, and you don't have to worry about your bottom end with it. some of you people need to sit down and learn more about how cars work. its hard to understand how to modify a car if you dont know how they work in the first place.
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You guys who are fighting for imports are not making a valid point. You guys are taking about, supra turbo 2JZ, Toyota Celica GT-s, Supra TT, RX-7, Nissan 300ZX twin turbo, and s**t like that. Those are the TOP of the f**king line imports. You guys are saying they can beat muscle and s**t with very few mods. You guys are spending s**t loads of money on those top of the line imports, while the stock muscle cars are still putting up a good fight with them. match it up, stock to stock. Stock civic vs. stock mustang, what will win? Stock Supra vs. stock camaro, what will win? Stock Celica vs. stock GTO, what will win? Think about it. You can use your Celica GT-S's to fight with, but put the top of line import with top of the line muscle, what will win? Celica GT-S vs. Mustang Boss 427, what will win? Or a Nissan 300ZX twin turbo vs. a Mustang GT-350 "R" modle, what will win? You get what I'm saying?
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Yah, I get it, and domestics will win in most cases. I never said import was better. There are exceptions to EVERY rule. Stock Neons (the fast one) have better 1/4 times than a stock GT and it's cheaper! WRX, same thing, better handling car for sure, and not far of with the horsepower either. Arguments can be made for both camps. One of the reasons we are still kickin this around don't you think.
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Dude ned that movie was insane :P, ya i agree there are valid points for both import cars and american cars, but we are all on this forum for a reason, and seriously eximport, would you let yourself be seen driving a neon? and ya imports will burn holes in all ur pockets to upgrade too, they cost a f**kload.
i agree with what you said 67gt500. owning an import, i know my celica aint the fastest car and i never stated that. actually a celica aint really that top of the line. only carries 180hp which can hit a respectable high 14 1/4mile time. ive got a few decent mods in mine,and can now run low 14's. ive been able to keep up with STOCK GT's. It does take a lot of money to supe up an import. Ive already spent maybe 2k for my performance mods, where as the stang is stock. There's really not much aftermarket support for celicas compared to honda. im actually saving up for a turbo, that should put me into the low 13's. but when you think about, a gt can hit low 13's with about 1k, and im over here spending 3-4k for a turbo. sounds rediculous, but im up for it. Its pretty much about personal preference. i think low 13's will be fast enough for an import. At the end of the whole process you will have an import, that you pretty much built and customized yourself. My car would be a great show car, and im sure it will stand out a lot more compared to other celicas.
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