I recorded my horsepower using the aeroforce gauge. Max horsepower was 538, that's flywheel of course. Aeroforce claims using MAF counts the horsepower can be accurately calculated, but we will see when I get the car dynoed in 2 weeks. What is the excepted drivetrain lose for a manual? I've heard as low as 12%.

I also tried to do a 0-60 run using the gauge. I short shifted out of 1st because it felt like the tires started to spin, but I still got a 4.36 second 0-60 time. My 1/4 mile time was 15.7@62mph!:D

I'm going to record the horsepower again, but this time i'll record rpms as well.;)

Hey Moose,
10-12% for manual is what you will lose do to drive train. Also when you use your aeroforce gauge to get your numbers you should be doing that in fourth. Very good numbers with the guage.

My 1/4 mile time was 15.7@62mph!

Just for comparison, what is the stock time?
I'd have thought your qtr.mile would be less with the whipple.

RWD manual parasitic loss is about 15% from what i've been told.

ORIGINAL: sactown

Hey Moose,
10-12% for manual is what you will lose do to drive train. Also when you use your aeroforce gauge to get your numbers you should be doing that in fourth. Very good numbers with the guage.


I thought about that, but I did it in 3rd because I didn't want to go that fast. I don't think it matters since the transmission isn't in the equation. 538 is just about right though, assuming 13% lose that would be 468rwhp. I'll do a few more runs in 4th and third and see what the difference is if any.

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

My 1/4 mile time was 15.7@62mph!

Just for comparison, what is the stock time?
I'd have thought your qtr.mile would be less with the whipple.



I didn't run a 1/4 mile, but the gauge keeps recording up to a 1/4 mile. I let off after the shift to third which is why my time is slow and my trap speed is stupid slow.:D I ran a 12.5@117.6 at the track, but I suck. I'll do a full 1/4 run on the street and see if it traps close to what i got at the track.

that's a lot more accurate than my livewire for the hp readings, mine gives me outrageous numbers, that i only wish were true. even if its off by like 10-15hp, thats still pretty darngood as long as its consistent also.

nice #´s;)

I ran a 12.5@117.6 at the track, but I suck.

I was thinking I'd get those numbers on my vert. You are not giving it enough gas.:D

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

I ran a 12.5@117.6 at the track, but I suck.

I was thinking I'd get those numbers on my vert. You are not giving it enough gas.:D



Well I don't think your vert will trap 117, but you could easily run a 12.5. My 60 ft time was 2.0 so there is much room for improvement. My best time before the gears and blower was 13.6@106. If you have a supercharger and aren't afraid to powershift, you can easily beat my time.

The reason I was suggesting 4th is that is the gear they use for the dyno numbers, but yes you would be going extremely fast for the street if you did a full 4th gear pull, on the dyno my car red lined at 154mph in fourth.

Fourth for a dyno pull?I think 3rd is where most guys do dyno jet or mustang dyno pulls, in a manual anyway.

PS I've got an aeroforce on it's way, sounds like a cool gauge. To bad I have another 3 months of winter to suffer through.

ORIGINAL: catalac

Fourth for a dyno pull?I think 3rd is where most guys do dyno jet or mustang dyno pulls, in a manual anyway.

PS I've got an aeroforce on it's way, sounds like a cool gauge. To bad I have another 3 months of winter to suffer through.

Not true. Any performance shop that knows what they are doing with our cars will perform the dyno pulls in 4th due to the 1:1 ratio.

I never knew that. Maybe they did mine in fourth I remember the tech said the wheel speed was like 140mph on the dyno.

Damn Moose, that's just shy of 2 HP per cubic inch!!!!!

ORIGINAL: catalac

I never knew that. Maybe they did mine in fourth I remember the tech said the wheel speed was like 140mph on the dyno.

Haha...You were definitely in 4th then ;)

ORIGINAL: catalac

I never knew that. Maybe they did mine in fourth I remember the tech said the wheel speed was like 140mph on the dyno.


4th is good for 140 or so at 6,000 rpms if you have 3.55 gears. My 4th runs out about 125 though. It would be cool if it printed out a graph with rpms and hp just like a dyno.:D

ORIGINAL: moosestang

4th is good for 140 or so at 6,000 rpms if you have 3.55 gears. My 4th runs out about 125 though. It would be cool if it printed out a graph with rpms and hp just like a dyno.:D


Hey Moose, I thought the aeroforce guages come with a printer ;)

ORIGINAL: catalac

PS I've got an aeroforce on it's way, sounds like a cool gauge. To bad I have another 3 months of winter to suffer through.


It's very useful, fun to play with and so simple. Wish I had though of it. It will even read and clear dtc codes. The only think it could use is more contrast between the numbers and background color, but it's still very readable even on a bright day.

moose, hopefully your dyno runs will
be on a mustang dyno.....that way
i can compare#'s....

411 rwhp @ 10psi / stock FRPP tune / 91 oct

ORIGINAL: hammeron

moose, hopefully your dyno runs will
be on a mustang dyno.....that way
i can compare#'s....

411 rwhp @ 10psi / stock FRPP tune / 91 oct


It will be done by vmp tuning, i don't think they have a mustang dyno. It's a mobile dynojet.

Get yourself a aeroforce gauge and we can compare net horsepower.:D

don't need to.....you got one
so i get all the info i need :D

ORIGINAL: hammeron

don't need to.....you got one
so i get all the info i need :D

Haha...Hammy, I am assuming you sent Moose a check for half the amount ;)

;) the check is in the mail

ORIGINAL: hammeron

moose, hopefully your dyno runs will
be on a mustang dyno.....that way
i can compare#'s....

411 rwhp @ 10psi / stock FRPP tune / 91 oct



I have the FRPP tune/91octane and did pulls on the dynojet. Big difference from Mustang dyno and Dynojet

ORIGINAL: hammeron

;) the check is in the mail


I'll keep an eye out for it.;) What was your torque numbers on the mustang dyno?

411 rwhp / 417 Ft-Lb

Mustang Dynamometer

hey black, yeah i would all of our stangs
similarly equiped, should be in the range
as you show in your sig



ORIGINAL: blackS197

ORIGINAL: hammeron

moose, hopefully your dyno runs will
be on a mustang dyno.....that way
i can compare#'s....

411 rwhp @ 10psi / stock FRPP tune / 91 oct



I have the FRPP tune/91octane and did pulls on the dynojet. Big difference from Mustang dyno and Dynojet

i really gotta learn how to use all the fuctions on these.... and compare the HP to my dyno #s

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

i really gotta learn how to use all the fuctions on these.... and compare the HP to my dyno #s


Push in both buttons to get to the main menu. Scroll down to record with the left button then push the right. It will start recording the two parameter showing on your gauge after you pass 50% throttle.

To see the recorded data, go back to the main menu and select play. Now push the right button to toggle through.

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

ORIGINAL: hammeron

don't need to.....you got one
so i get all the info i need :D

Haha...Hammy, I am assuming you sent Moose a check for half the amount ;)


http://i4.tinypic.com/7wjg96x.jpg

damn dood..your car should be the new knight rider,that car is simply bad ass.;)

thanks Moose... I've played around with them a few times but never tried to record any of the functions.

side note... can you get oil pressure on yours? I cant seem to find that in the list on the Main Menu...thx

awesome numbers moose......

ORIGINAL: Thief_of_Hearts

http://i4.tinypic.com/7wjg96x.jpg

damn dood..your car should be the new knight rider,that car is simply bad ass.;)


Haha thanks for the compliment :)

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

thanks Moose... I've played around with them a few times but never tried to record any of the functions.

side note... can you get oil pressure on yours? I cant seem to find that in the list on the Main Menu...thx



You'd need to install an oil pressure sensor and connect it to one of the analog inputs.

Well I had to take a different route home today so didn't get to do a 4th gear pull or even a 3rd gear pull. I did record it in second, but I shifted at 6000rpms. It was making 505hp at 6k according to the gauge. It was making over 400hp as soon as it started recording. Second gear in my car goes by really fast. I will do some better testing tomorrow and try another 0-60 and possibly a 1/4 mile run.

I got it reading HP an in a very unscientific test... I'm not sure about its too accuracy yet. I pulled to 3000 and 4000 rpm @ 3000 it read like 125 and @ 4000 it read like 245. I have to get someone with me to record the different levels and compare it to my dyno sheet. Maybe on the first I can get it done and report back. the thing that gets me wondering is that when cruising is seems to read very low numbers.... like 25-30 at 1800-2000 rpm in 5th.

Anyone know how the guage calculates the HP#? The Aeroforce site doesnt explain how its reached.

I did use the performance function. That seems accurate - I did a 1/4 this am and it read:
0-60 3.94
1/4 12.29 @ 110 (close to what I ran @ the track)

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

I got it reading HP an in a very unscientific test... I'm not sure about its too accuracy yet. I pulled to 3000 and 4000 rpm @ 3000 it read like 125 and @ 4000 it read like 245.



Use the record function and take it to redline in whatever gear you feel comfortable in. I recommend 3rd if you have stock gearing. Then go back to the menu and select play, you'll have to scroll through a bunch of readings to find the peak one. Mine reads very low hp when cruising. Read the horspower adjustment part of the owners manual.

http://www.pfyc.com/supportfiles/gn2110install.pdf

It says it uses mass air flow values to calculate hp and fuel mileage, but I have no idea what the actual calculation is.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

My 1/4 mile time was 15.7@62mph!

Just for comparison, what is the stock time?
I'd have thought your qtr.mile would be less with the whipple.



I didn't run a 1/4 mile, but the gauge keeps recording up to a 1/4 mile. I let off after the shift to third which is why my time is slow and my trap speed is stupid slow.:D I ran a 12.5@117.6 at the track, but I suck. I'll do a full 1/4 run on the street and see if it traps close to what i got at the track.



i've got a friend of mine, whipple charged 465.2 rwhp @ 10PSI ... who's done 11.778 1/4 mile ... you should be close to that too

ORIGINAL: a.akawi
i've got a friend of mine, whipple charged 465.2 rwhp @ 10PSI ... who's done 11.778 1/4 mile ... you should be close to that too


Does your friend have the stock clutch? I think mine is slipping in 1st, second gear.


I did another 3rd gear pull today and got 547hp. I took it all the way up to 6340rpms. At 6340rpms it was only making 370hp. I guess that's the rev limiter pulling timing and closing the throttle.

I know of two guys who ran 11.4x and 11.6x with Paxton/Vortech HO kits on stock the clutch. I saw the runs myself... the 11.4x guy was making 500+ on race tune.... let say that he's since replaced his clutch...

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

I know of two guys who ran 11.4x and 11.6x with Paxton/Vortech HO kits on stock the clutch. I saw the runs myself... the 11.4x guy was making 500+ on race tune.... let say that he's since replaced his clutch...


I know the stock clutch can take a beating, but sometimes the revs seem to go up faster than the mph. I think a Whipple HO is a little harder on the clutch anyway, since it's supposed to make 400 ft lbs of torque instantly.

no doubt...looking to replace mine in Fed... spec 2+

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: a.akawi
i've got a friend of mine, whipple charged 465.2 rwhp @ 10PSI ... who's done 11.778 1/4 mile ... you should be close to that too


Does your friend have the stock clutch? I think mine is slipping in 1st, second gear.


as far as i know, yes he is

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

no doubt...looking to replace mine in Fed... spec 2+


That's the one i'm going to get. 620 ft lbs should be plenty for me.

I did a pull in 4th gear this morning. This time I recorded the mph and I let off when the tach hit 6k. Made 549hp and hit 119mph.:D I think it's safe to say you can record in 3rd or 4th gear and get consistent results.

yeah.... gear doesnt seem to matter much

too wet here today to take mine out.

ORIGINAL: Stkjock

yeah.... gear doesnt seem to matter much

too wet here today to take mine out.



but you are the only one I can get to do it.:D You had your car dynoed right? I'm curious to see if your hp results with the gauge are close to that of the dyno. What would you guess your crank hp to be based on your dyno results?

I will know in 10 days, but I can't wait that long.

i can't wait to hear what my numbers
are! hurry up and get that beast dynoed

ORIGINAL: hammeron

i can't wait to hear what my numbers
are! hurry up and get that beast dynoed





Well I don't want you to be disappointed. Remember I have 4.10 gears which will rob some hp, but I might put my 1 piece driveshaft back in which will even things out. I also have the mid mufflers which I think actually picked up some hp over the gta's, well it sure sounds faster. I will most likely have my drag radials on which might cost a few hp since they are taller. I better stop doing dyno runs on the street before my clutch really starts going out, but it sure was fun doing 119 at 4:30 in the morning.:)

It's suppose to get down in the 30's and even high 20's the next few days, so no WOT for me. I don't know if these engines will make a lot more hp being that much colder, but I ain't risking it.

That reminds me, I've got to change my oil before the dyno day. I hope you use mobil 1 cause otherwise your numbers might be off.;)

don't shoot the messenger :) but someone
has to deliver it......BFS! :D

i think your too smart for this and you just wanted to
see who would call you on it......well there it is....



i don't use mobil 1 yet, because i change my oil
so often (every 6 months, or so)








ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: hammeron

i can't wait to hear what my numbers
are! hurry up and get that beast dynoed





Well I don't want you to be disappointed. Remember I have 4.10 gears which will rob some hp, but I might put my 1 piece driveshaft back in which will even things out. I also have the mid mufflers which I think actually picked up some hp over the gta's, well it sure sounds faster. I will most likely have my drag radials on which might cost a few hp since they are taller. I better stop doing dyno runs on the street before my clutch really starts going out, but it sure was fun doing 119 at 4:30 in the morning.:)

It's suppose to get down in the 30's and even high 20's the next few days, so no WOT for me. I don't know if these engines will make a lot more hp being that much colder, but I ain't risking it.

That reminds me, I've got to change my oil before the dyno day. I hope you use mobil 1 cause otherwise your numbers might be off.;)

I need to get one.

^ Same here. Moose, what is the exact guage you purchased? Thanks

Aeroforce Interceptor......i believe

What is the difference between the dual setup and the single setup? Is it that you are jsut paying for two instead of one gauge?

with the single gauge, you can monitor 2 functions
at a time....

if you wanted to monitor 4 functions at a time, you would want
2 gauges (aka the dual setup)

yup :D

LOL! Are you trying to say I can't do 119 in 4th gear with 4.10 gears? Do I sense some sarcasm related to the 80mph in 2nd gear post?

ORIGINAL: hammeron

don't shoot the messenger :) but someone
has to deliver it......BFS! :D

i think your too smart for this and you just wanted to
see who would call you on it......well there it is....



i don't use mobil 1 yet, because i change my oil
so often (every 6 months, or so)








ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: hammeron

i can't wait to hear what my numbers
are! hurry up and get that beast dynoed





Well I don't want you to be disappointed. Remember I have 4.10 gears which will rob some hp, but I might put my 1 piece driveshaft back in which will even things out. I also have the mid mufflers which I think actually picked up some hp over the gta's, well it sure sounds faster. I will most likely have my drag radials on which might cost a few hp since they are taller. I better stop doing dyno runs on the street before my clutch really starts going out, but it sure was fun doing 119 at 4:30 in the morning.:)

It's suppose to get down in the 30's and even high 20's the next few days, so no WOT for me. I don't know if these engines will make a lot more hp being that much colder, but I ain't risking it.

That reminds me, I've got to change my oil before the dyno day. I hope you use mobil 1 cause otherwise your numbers might be off.;)

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

^ Same here. Moose, what is the exact guage you purchased? Thanks


http://www.aeroforcetech.com/

It's well worth the money IMO. Only one wire to connect, the one to the obd2 port. I bought it mainly because it can read the fuel pressure by using the stock sensor. That alone makes it worth it if you have a power adder.

Where did you buy this gauge the more I hear you talk about it the more I want one .
Oh yea does it read air / fuel.

no, i just didn't think you really took it
up that high, when i first read it.....

Thanks for the link Moose. I will be purchasing soon!

Hey Moose, where did you install your aeroforce gauge?

ORIGINAL: hammeron

no, i just didn't think you really took it
up that high, when i first read it.....




Well you caught me. I only took it up to 91

http://www.pbase.com/image/91187745.jpg

Ok, that's not totally true. 91 is what most people cruise at on the interstate. I did manage to get it up to 100.

http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/image/91187746.jpg

Well after I got going that fast it didn't seem right to slow down just yet. I mean it was very early and nobody was around, not even any houses on this highway. So I managed another 10mph and a few more ponies.

http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/image/91187747.jpg

Now anyone who's ever hit it in 4th gear knows that you can't stop once you past 110. It's hard to even think past that speed, let alone take your foot off the gas. I think I might have blacked out for a split second and let off when I saw the speedo hitting 120.

http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/image/91187748.jpg


Now I did say I went 119, but I actually let up around 118 because the hp went down quick on the next recording. I only post this pic because Hammeron called BS on me and I can't have that hanging over my head.

http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/image/91187749.jpg

LMAO nice post Moose

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

LMAO nice post Moose


I had to teach Hammeron not to call BS on me!:D If I can't get a picture of it, i'm sure I can photoshop something.

By the way the gauge keeps atleast the last recorded parameters in memory. I didn't know this until Hammeron called me out. I should really read the instructions completely, no telling what else it can do.

Aeroforce should pay me to pimp their product so much.

ORIGINAL: ebr

Where did you buy this gauge the more I hear you talk about it the more I want one .
Oh yea does it read air / fuel.


I bought the gauge directly from aeroforce. I believe www.lethalperformance.com has a good deal on them though. It can only display things that the car has a sensor for, so anything the pcm can see, you can see. It can display air/fuel if you buy an air/fuel sensor that has a control with it. It has two analog connections for additional sensors like air/fuel, boost or oil pressure.

ORIGINAL: ebr

Where did you buy this gauge the more I hear you talk about it the more I want one .
Oh yea does it read air / fuel.


Like moose I got mine direct from Aeroforce... they had a group buy on them


I'll show mine off again!
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3712/aeroforcecloseupbo4.jpg

I just installed my air/fuel gadge 2 days ago and I have a gauge for everything else but what caught my eye was themph , timming , and hp .Do you know if you can get it in a silver face? I will call them tomarrow but I though you might already Know. Thanks , Billy

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

LMAO nice post Moose


I had to teach Hammeron not to call BS on me!:D If I can't get a picture of it, i'm sure I can photoshop something.

By the way the gauge keeps atleast the last recorded parameters in memory. I didn't know this until Hammeron called me out. I should really read the instructions completely, no telling what else it can do.

Aeroforce should pay me to pimp their product so much.


You convinced me to get one ;)

:D thanks for clarifying moose

you should get a commission on aeroforce
gauges that are sold, you do a nice job
of promoting them

even i, would love to have one :)..... i might
do a center dash mod someday, when the prices
come down......






ORIGINAL: moosestang


I had to teach Hammeron not to call BS on me!:DÂ*

It's all good!

ORIGINAL: ebr

I just installed my air/fuel gadge 2 days ago and I have a gauge for everything else but what caught my eye was themph , timming , and hp .Do you know if you can get it in a silver face? I will call them tomarrow but I though you might already Know. Thanks , Billy


I'm pretty sure they have silver.

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: ebr

I just installed my air/fuel gadge 2 days ago and I have a gauge for everything else but what caught my eye was themph , timming , and hp .Do you know if you can get it in a silver face? I will call them tomarrow but I though you might already Know. Thanks , Billy


I'm pretty sure they have silver.



EBR - check out their website... they have 4 face and 4 bezel colors if I remember.

Thanks guys checking now .

Moose is yours considered black or silver because the face is black and the rim is silver...

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

Moose is yours considered black or silver because the face is black and the rim is silver...


The face is black, the bezel is silver.

So I had a chance to do a full pull to 6000-6100 or so. In record mode.... I got a max of

547 HP

my dyno sheet at 6000 is 411 so that is a difference of 136 HP or 24.8%. Seems a bit much to me. If you figure loss to the blower of 35HP ( as per Vortech) and drivetrain loss of 12% (5spd) that would = 450 RWHP. A difference of nearly 10%.

Thoughts ? Comments?

What were the conditions when you had the car dynoed? I'd expect any car to make more hp on the stree at 90mph than on a dyno with a big fan blowing on it, especially a car that relys on an intercooler.

I was going to figure a 15% drivetrain loss just to be safe. Anyway shouldn't your car be making around 450rwhp with the HO vortech? Isn't it pushing 10psi or no?

I think your dyno results are a little low for the vortech HO kit, 430's seem to be the norm. I will get mine dynoed this Friday and we can compare. I've thought about swapping the pulleys to see if I get less hp with the 8, but i'd have to do a run with each on the same day. That's to much work for me.:D

well.... the car made 435 @ 6350 RPM. It was done in late Jan 06 so temps were probably similar to today and it was on a Mustang Dyno.

According to the print out (not the graph) @ 6000 it made 411

I did the pull in 2nd and let off @ 6000, so I hit maybe 65-70 or so. I had my 4 year old with me so I wasnt gonna go 90+ LOL.

Tomorrow is a local cruise and I'll do it again to see where she maxes out.

had a chance to do another pull, 3rd gear this time. Max power was 574 and max RPM was 6385. Still seems a bit high to me.

my car dynoed at 435 @ 6350... so taking the loss to the Vortech and 15%(which I think is high) it would work out to 458.

Its fun to play with but I'm not sure how accurate.

i wonder if wheel spin skews the data

ORIGINAL: hammeron

i wonder if wheel spin skews the data


the performance data only form what the manual says.

Hey moose, did you install the gauge yourself?

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

Hey moose, did you install the gauge yourself?


Yes. It installs in seconds since there is no wiring.

ORIGINAL: 06Saleen3V

Hey moose, did you install the gauge yourself?


very easy....plug and play..... check out my install thread....

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4023034/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4023034