What all is needed for to do this? Would it even be worth it? anyone done it before? Any info. would be greatly appreciated! thanks.

-alex

No not worth it at all. If not mistaken you have to get heads off the 4v and a new intake. You would be alot better off with a kenne bell. Its designed for the 2v and would be alot earier to do. And is a better supercharger.

I was just thinking about this again today, everyone will say you need a custom adaptor plate and its not worth it at all. But today I was looking at the m112 and upper intake manifold on the ford lightning. Because the Lightnings use a 5.4l 2v engine which has (from what I understand) the same heads as the GT.

I think it could possibly be a bolt-on part? And someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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What all is needed for to do this? Would it even be worth it? anyone done it before? Any info. would be greatly appreciated! thanks.

-alex


This has been discussed many times before.. not to be mean but you need to learn to use the search feature... but to answer your question.. No.. it's not going to happen.. It will not fit without a lot of customization done… and even if you do custom mount it it’s going to cost more then a brand new supercharger already made for a 2 valve.. Not to mention that the eatons suck anyway… that’s why most cobra owners swap it out for a Kenne Bell.

No, not ever going to happen..... by the time you rigged it together, you could have a proper 2v supercharger. The eaton wouldnt make much power anyway.... NOT WORTH THE TIME AT ALL!!!


I have seen a lot of these threads lately... im going to make this a sticky for a bit

Actually, it can be done. Check out http://www.nautilusperformance.com/id74.html.The kit that you seeon the page isn't the final production unit that they will come out with.. From what i understand, they will be coming out with a kit for $700 or so which comes with the basics to run this setup, such as manifold, plumbing, relocation brackets etc....but will not come with fuel, blower or tune etc... It can be very easy to find a ported/pullied eaton M112 for about $400-600 on ebay. If you could get the rest of your parts slightly used (If this isn't a budget supercharger, you might as well get a KB) you could probably do this project for around $1600 or so.. I suggest you give them a call and see what they can help you with. A ported/pullied Eaton is capable of putting out more power than a stock GT block can hold.
-Oliver

just remember they dont call an Eaton a heaton for nothing;)... a good friend of mine had a steig ported eaton on his cobra, had to f around with all kinds of cooling goodies. For the money and the hassle you would be much better off going with something like the vortec mongoose kit

Thanks for the responces, I think I will pass on doing this. Btw, the search pulled up nothing for me, I search for 30 min. or so before I said the hell with it. thanks again guys!

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Actually, it can be done. Check out http://www.nautilusperformance.com/id74.html.The kit that you seeon the page isn't the final production unit that they will come out with.. From what i understand, they will be coming out with a kit for $700 or so which comes with the basics to run this setup, such as manifold, plumbing, relocation brackets etc....but will not come with fuel, blower or tune etc... It can be very easy to find a ported/pullied eaton M112 for about $400-600 on ebay. If you could get the rest of your parts slightly used (If this isn't a budget supercharger, you might as well get a KB) you could probably do this project for around $1600 or so.. I suggest you give them a call and see what they can help you with. A ported/pullied Eaton is capable of putting out more power than a stock GT block can hold.
-Oliver


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I think that seems like an awesome idea because the m112's are not all that bad and they are very abundent, I would say with that adaptor you could have a decent setup for about $2000

Yea I am looking into this company, I'd wish they would give more info on that setup.

there is another company which makes a full m112 kit but it costs more so I dont think it would be worth it. Here is a link (http://www.torktech.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2) for anyone intersted.

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there is another company which makes a full m112 kit but it costs more so I dont think it would be worth it. Here is a link (http://www.torktech.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2) for anyone intersted.

Thats expensive. Alomost as much as a KB.

Where have you seen a kb kit for that cheap?

Stanggang is Unfortunately 100% correct with the "Heaton" term. The heat soak is the #1 issue with these blowers as you push them past their efficiency range with a pully. One positive aspect to this kit is that if it doesn't come with a heat exchanger, you don't have to upgrade, since you wouldn't have one to begin with, you can buy an afco or similar unit to begin with...I agree though, that if you don't find bargain deals on most of the parts, the kit starts to add up for what it is. I think this kit is really the best option for someone with a stock block looking for around 350-400rwhp, as it could be done cheaper than any other. If max boost is what your after, there are FAR better options out there. Even with ported heads and cams, this blower would probably max out around 500rwhp. With this being relatively new to the market, the only way we will really know how well or poorly this setup will work is for people to try it. The only real question a potential buyer has to ask himself is what the ultimate goal is. If 400rwhp is enough, and you want tokeep costs down while having strong low end torquethen this may be the blower for you. If the goal is to one day have a built block, then there are a lot better blowers for that.

I know that they have heat problems, but that is not a big concern of mine because I am a boost pussy and would probablly only run 6 psi

How much psi do eatons start tohave a problem, heat wise?

I think they start to built a lot of excess heat at around 12-14 psi

That kit shows 6-11 psi. Is that just because it has the stock pulley on it? Could you put a smaller pulley on it and run higher than 11 psi?

I'm not sure, the cobra's run 8 psi stock and with I think with the smallest pulley they can run makes like 16-17 psi. So i assume the m112 could force that much pressure into a GT but it would be REALLY in-efficent and you would need a built motor to run anywhere near that much boost.

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Where have you seen a kb kit for that cheap?


Its on their website.They start at 3899 for a 99-04 GT. http://www.kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf

Wow I think i may have to buy one of these vs a mongoose kit or an m112

If they sell a lower manifold and brackets for the m112 for 700... this might become a viable cheap blower method

everyone says it can't be done... I believe it could be .. I think using a intake manifold from a supercharged saleen orroushalong with an adapter platefor the blower could make it work...

Anything canbe done

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everyone says it can't be done... I believe it could be .. I think using a intake manifold from a supercharged saleen orroushalong with an adapter platefor the blower could make it work...

Anything canbe done


Nobody is saying that it "CAN'T" be done.. but anyone who knows anything about these superchargers and mustangs know that either way this is a bad idea.. Anyone who is seriously considering doing this is welcome to do so but when it's all said and done.. Don't come back to these forumswhen you look like ---> [sm=boohoo.gif](and yes 100% chance you will look like this)

Why are you so certain this kit wont work. What info do you have that tells you it will not work and someone will be 100% upset with this kit?

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Why are you so certain this kit wont work. What info do you have that tells you it will not work and someone will be 100% upset with this kit?


I'm not saying that the kit won't work... what I am saying is that it's not worth the effort....anyone who actually has a supercharged car can tell you that you always end up spending more then you think after everything is all said and done.. especially if you are piecing something together like this... so take the price you think it will cost to get this kit and the eaton with install then add another 1000 for anything else that will come up along the way of install.. that price for a supercharger that is garbage out of the box is just not worth it... The eatons are root's type s/c's and are known for = teh suck.. There is a reason that most cobra owners swap them out.. after you spend the time and money to get an eaton put on your 2v you will definitely not get the reaction you will want... It's just not worth it.... just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be done..

Everybody always tries to fine "the cheap" way to supercharge.. but the fact is.. there is no real cheap way to supercharge your car.. speed = money . If you are going to do it.. then do it right the first time otherwise you will be hating yourself forit later when you end up spending twice as long and more money to get what you were originally hoping for.

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Why are you so certain this kit wont work. What info do you have that tells you it will not work and someone will be 100% upset with this kit?


I'm not saying that the kit won't work... what I am saying is that it's not worth the effort....anyone who actually has a supercharged car can tell you that you always end up spending more then you think after everything is all said and done.. especially if you are piecing something together like this... Â*so take the price you think it will cost to get this kit and the eaton with install then add another 1000 for anything else that will come up along the way of install.. that price for a supercharger that is garbage out of the box is just not worth it... The eatons are root's type s/c's and are known for = teh suck.. There is a reason that most cobra owners swap them out.. after you spend the time and money to get an eaton put on your 2v you will definitely not get the reaction you will want... It's just not worth it.... just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be done..

Everybody always tries to fine "the cheap" way to supercharge.. but the fact is.. there is no real cheap way to supercharge your car.. speed = money . If you are going to do it.. then do it right the first time otherwise you will be hating yourself forÂ*it later when you end up spending twice as long and more money to get what you were originally hoping for.


"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.

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"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.



yeah.. I'm aware why it was so expensive.. but like I said.. Things always cost more then you think after install.. If you can show me someone who has done this and has been happy with it.. then I would consider the argument that it might be somewhat ok.. but seeing as how thereis a lot of internet toughguys outthere who talk a biggame but in real lifedon't have any type of supercharger themselves.... yeah.. I'm still saying it = teh suck.


Not to mention that nobody gets a supercharger to see how low they can keep the hp.. you might keep the hp low at first but you will eventually want to turn it up... and you can forget about your 600hp claim because an eaton will not get anywhere close to that on a 2v.

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"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.



yeah.. I'm aware why it was so expensive.. but like I said.. Things always cost more then you think after install.. If you can show me someone who has done this and has been happy with it.. then I would consider the argument that it might be somewhat ok.. but seeing as how thereÂ*is a lot of internet toughguys outÂ*there who talk a bigÂ*game but in real lifeÂ*don't have any type of supercharger themselves.... yeah.. I'm still saying it = teh suck.




I could understand you arguement if those charges for the S/C didn't apply for every single S/C. Since they do, it does not matter- you have to pay to play no matter WHAT S/C you get, so that does not make any one S/C inherently suck over another.

The reason people have not done this is because there was no kit before. If you look on the website, it says coming out this month. Which means this is VERY recent. I will agree completely with you that until now it was not worth putting an m112 onto a 2v, because there was no kit. Now? Who knows. If this kit is well priced, then this may be the best route to go.

I don't see how you can say any S/C= "teh suck". The eaton can handle as much as hp as the normal units of every other company- when you want to go major power you need to get the D-1, the KB 2.6, all the bigger units. This S/C will be able to make more power than the normal driver will ever need.

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"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.



yeah.. I'm aware why it was so expensive.. but like I said.. Things always cost more then you think after install.. If you can show me someone who has done this and has been happy with it.. then I would consider the argument that it might be somewhat ok.. but seeing as how thereis a lot of internet toughguys outthere who talk a biggame but in real lifedon't have any type of supercharger themselves.... yeah.. I'm still saying it = teh suck.




I could understand you arguement if those charges for the S/C didn't apply for every single S/C. Since they do, it does not matter- you have to pay to play no matter WHAT S/C you get, so that does not make any one S/C inherently suck over another.

The reason people have not done this is because there was no kit before. If you look on the website, it says coming out this month. Which means this is VERY recent. I will agree completely with you that until now it was not worth putting an m112 onto a 2v, because there was no kit. Now? Who knows. If this kit is well priced, then this may be the best route to go.

I don't see how you can say any S/C= "teh suck". The eaton can handle as much as hp as the normal units of every other company- when you want to go major power you need to get the D-1, the KB 2.6, all the bigger units. This S/C will be able to make more power than the normal driver will ever need.




I didn't say all s/c = teh suck.. if you look at my sig I have a s/c and am very happy with it... but all positive displacement s/c's create more heat then other types... and root's are the absolute worst.. you WILL run into heat soak issues for sure.. I'm not here to argue this with you as you can feel free to do whatever you want...I couldn't care less..You can get a kit to rig a shi**y blower to your car if you want but it's going to be just that; shi**y. All I have to say is good luck. ;)


I'm assuming that you don't have a supercharged mustang.. You probably browse the forums soaking up other peoples opinions on things, which isfine, but it doesn’t exactly make you a very credible source...Things are always differentthen they are on paper. If you try this then for your sake I hope it works out... ;)

what did the old Saleens with the eaton blowers put down stock? like 300 +/- rwhp?... i just dont see this whole eaton thing being a good idea with the great kits available on the market for the 2v

Actutally the new-edge style s281e made about 375 rwhp the 2002 s281e was rated at 445 BHP.

I've seen a couple mustang GT's with the old Saleen Series II kit ( The older eaton M90) with supporting mods such as exhaust, intake, custom tune etc... Put out about 375rwhp on 11psi...So The M112 should have no problem putting out 400-420rwhp at the same 10-11 psi which is the max for a stock block anyway.

The blower on the older saleens was an M90,The Eaton Check out bluegt.com (http://bluegt.com) this guy only made 298rwhp with an m90compared to making395rwhp with a KB 1.7



M90:

http://www.capa.com.au/pics/eaton_M90_drawing.gif



The cobra Eaton is an M112.. and as far as I know it will not bolt on to the M90 intake manifolds.

Its a better blower than the M90, but still I don't see a 2v making alot of power with either. The money you'll spend on a M112 kit and blower would be better spent on a centri unit, or just go buy a twin screw blower.


M112:

http://www.capa.com.au/pics/eaton_MP112_drawing.gif





The kit mentioned above looks pretty cool

http://www.nautilusperformance.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/duratecAirflow/4.6SCMFG.JPG

JMS (Johnson Motor Sports) www.jmschip.com just completed the testing of the new TTI supercharger. Talk to Monty about their results. They are impressed. Here is the thread on SVT Performance. http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440696

385 rwhp at 7 pounds of boost. TTI uses a Magnuson Gen 5 with Eaton rotors. Different animal all together.

You can buy a non I/C KB for $3900.00. But ad $1000.00 for the I/C, $700.00 for an 8 rib system, $300.00 for a SB Throttle body and so on.

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Why are you so certain this kit wont work. What info do you have that tells you it will not work and someone will be 100% upset with this kit?


I'm not saying that the kit won't work... what I am saying is that it's not worth the effort....anyone who actually has a supercharged car can tell you that you always end up spending more then you think after everything is all said and done.. especially if you are piecing something together like this... so take the price you think it will cost to get this kit and the eaton with install then add another 1000 for anything else that will come up along the way of install.. that price for a supercharger that is garbage out of the box is just not worth it... The eatons are root's type s/c's and are known for = teh suck.. There is a reason that most cobra owners swap them out.. after you spend the time and money to get an eaton put on your 2v you will definitely not get the reaction you will want... It's just not worth it.... just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be done..

Everybody always tries to fine "the cheap" way to supercharge.. but the fact is.. there is no real cheap way to supercharge your car.. speed = money . If you are going to do it.. then do it right the first time otherwise you will be hating yourself forit later when you end up spending twice as long and more money to get what you were originally hoping for.


"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.



The reason this has not been done is NOT because there isn't a kit.

Its because of what he is saying. It is NOT worth the effort to put a M112 on your car.

Look at the salleen's that have them. They do NOT make good power comparably PSI vs PSI to a centri or KB twin screw. The heaton is ineffiecent at ANY boost level, and it also had a tendancy to drop boost in the upper RPMs, again at any boost level.

There is literally no reason to spend 4000 dollars on a M112 kit when you can have a centri kit for this much, make more power, and get more for your money.

Put a 112 on a GT at say 8PSI with full boltons and your lucky to make 340ish WHP (if that). A centri will be making 380+ whp easily on a safe tune. eaton ftl!

edit: remeber we are not talking about what the blower "will support" but what it will acutally do on a 2v car. A 4v with a forged bottom end can simply make more power on less boost, even with higher intake temperatures. The M112 makes good power on the 4v, but with the less than fantastic flowing heads etc of the 2v its just not going to make good power.

There is just zero reason to do this swap. The only way it would make since is if you could get the entire kit, including the intercooler, cooler pump, and all the hosing etc for around 2000-2500 bucks. This just isn't going to happen, because you still need the fuel pump, IMO maf, injectors, intake tubing, throttle body, etc etc etc. All of this stuff adds up quick, and they just arn't going to sell a custom lower intake manifold to mount it up for peanuts.

Also, NOTE that the link supplied about the M112 kit on a GT says it WILL NOT FIT a stock hood. This adds to the price, and if you think dropping on a new hood + paint is cheap... you need to shop around.

Like I said, heaton FTL!

Just so I'm clear, are you talking about the Tork Tech kit or the Nautilus with the old style M112?

I am talking about people thinking they are going to buy an m112 from a 03/04 cobra and slap it on a 2v and make big power. Its not going to happen.

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Why are you so certain this kit wont work. What info do you have that tells you it will not work and someone will be 100% upset with this kit?


I'm not saying that the kit won't work... what I am saying is that it's not worth the effort....anyone who actually has a supercharged car can tell you that you always end up spending more then you think after everything is all said and done.. especially if you are piecing something together like this... so take the price you think it will cost to get this kit and the eaton with install then add another 1000 for anything else that will come up along the way of install.. that price for a supercharger that is garbage out of the box is just not worth it... The eatons are root's type s/c's and are known for = teh suck.. There is a reason that most cobra owners swap them out.. after you spend the time and money to get an eaton put on your 2v you will definitely not get the reaction you will want... It's just not worth it.... just because something can be done doesn’t mean it should be done..

Everybody always tries to fine "the cheap" way to supercharge.. but the fact is.. there is no real cheap way to supercharge your car.. speed = money . If you are going to do it.. then do it right the first time otherwise you will be hating yourself forit later when you end up spending twice as long and more money to get what you were originally hoping for.


"Sucks" is a relative term. The eaton can put out an amazing amount of HP- the reason why Cobra owners change them out is because they want to see in excess of 600+ rwhp- which the eaton simply cannot do. If you are only looking for the 400 rwhp range (Most you can safely do on the stock lower end) then the eaton will be more than fine for your application.

The reason why the m112 swap onto a 2v was so expensive in the past is because there was NO KIT. Everything had to be custom fabbed, and that would cost an insane amount of money in labor charges if you could not do it yourself. If there is a standardized kit you can "bolt on" in a way to make the m112 work on these cars (Not that hard, all you need is a lower manifold to mate the S/C to the heads, and mountin brackets for anything you relocate) then the cost goes WAY down- there is no custom fabrication to bring the price up. For example, on the 3.8L engines, it costs about 2k to get the m112 hooked up. I would not be surprised if you could get a m112 on a GT for about the same price, if the kit that comes out ends up being reasonable.

Personally, I would do this in a second if a proper well priced kit comes out. Kills two birds with one stone for me, gets me a S/C and gets rid of my NPI Intake. Time will tell if they can pull this off- but if they do, this will be a really good alternative to a KB- gotta love the instant torque.



The reason this has not been done is NOT because there isn't a kit.

Its because of what he is saying. It is NOT worth the effort to put a M112 on your car.

Look at the salleen's that have them. They do NOT make good power comparably PSI vs PSI to a centri or KB twin screw. The heaton is ineffiecent at ANY boost level, and it also had a tendancy to drop boost in the upper RPMs, again at any boost level.

There is literally no reason to spend 4000 dollars on a M112 kit when you can have a centri kit for this much, make more power, and get more for your money.

Put a 112 on a GT at say 8PSI with full boltons and your lucky to make 340ish WHP (if that). A centri will be making 380+ whp easily on a safe tune. eaton ftl!

edit: remeber we are not talking about what the blower "will support" but what it will acutally do on a 2v car. A 4v with a forged bottom end can simply make more power on less boost, even with higher intake temperatures. The M112 makes good power on the 4v, but with the less than fantastic flowing heads etc of the 2v its just not going to make good power.

There is just zero reason to do this swap. The only way it would make since is if you could get the entire kit, including the intercooler, cooler pump, and all the hosing etc for around 2000-2500 bucks. This just isn't going to happen, because you still need the fuel pump, IMO maf, injectors, intake tubing, throttle body, etc etc etc. All of this stuff adds up quick, and they just arn't going to sell a custom lower intake manifold to mount it up for peanuts.

Also, NOTE that the link supplied about the M112 kit on a GT says it WILL NOT FIT a stock hood. This adds to the price, and if you think dropping on a new hood + paint is cheap... you need to shop around.

Like I said, heaton FTL!



thank god for 2000gt4.6..... at least someone's got my back and has some sense in here.

I happen to agree that the old Cobra M112 will not make "serious" power, whatever that number may be, but there is no escaping the fact, that with the new TTI Magnuson making 385 rwhp at 7 pounds of boost, is nothing to sneeze at. Monty tells me that it has a torque curve of a twin screw and the power curve of a centrifugal. I will try to get a copy of the dyno sheet.

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I happen to agree that the old Cobra M112 will not make "serious" power, whatever that number may be, but there is no escaping the fact, that with the new TTI Magnuson making 385 rwhp at 7 pounds of boost, is nothing to sneeze at. Monty tells me that it has a torque curve of a twin screw and the power curve of a centrifugal. I will try to get a copy of the dyno sheet.


I don't think I buy that either on anything close to a stock or boltons only car. Even a KB won't make 385 WHP at 7 PSI, and neither will a twinscrew, at least not on a boltons only car.

no matter what screw design you put in the eaton housing, its still not going to be as efficent as either a twin or centri. Its just the nature of the design of the eaton. The new generation is supposed to be alot better while still deilvering the reliablity that you come to expect from a "factory installed" eaton but its still not the greatest in the world.

Look at the GT500 guys, that blower comes with the same type of design you are talking about and they are still swapping them for KB and whipple blowers and making more power with less boost.

I just think it COULD MAYBE be a cheap alternative to a centri / twinscrew blower, i would be happy with 360 rwhp at 8psi if i only had 2 drop 2k into it.

Under 2K? How were you planning on doing that?

What I was hoping to do is Find an eBay Eaton blower for about $300 then get the $1k adapter (or what ever the price is) then buy some injectors ($250) an svt fuel pump ($250) and finally a dyno tune ($350). That totals to just over 2k.






But I know those numbers and that logic would never hold up when I actually went to try it, which is why I'd will probablly have to stop being a cheap bastard and actually spend the money buy a proper supecharger kit. insted of 1/2 assing one that probablly wont even work properly [8D]

You would still need the inlet to the blower, a throttle body, a MAF, an cold air tube, a filter, a belt, hoses, hardware, clamps, an ACT sensor, a throttle cable extension or Cobra throttle cable, a cruise control cable extender, and intercooler pump and reservoir, a chip or tuner, and more I'm forgetting. If you run off the stock lower pulley it will not make boost. Remember the Cobra crank pulley is 7 3/4 inches in dia. and the stock GT crank pulley is 6 1/4. Even with a 2.75 upper, which is the smallest that will fit on the Cobra blower snout, if you do the math, thats only 6 pounds of boost, and you can't go any bigger like you can on the Lightnings. Thats how the lightning guys make power by going to larger crank pulleys and one step down on the blower pulley. The cam sensor is located on a boss in the block.

Just some food for thought.

See I was thinking of getting a batch of things like This (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04-Mustang-Cobra-Eaton-Supercharger-4-6-Set-Up-M112_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33741QQihZ013QQite mZ230204800145QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohos ting). But like I was saying above I still feel like it would be a better to just buy a 7 psi KB kit or an 8psi mongoose kit from MPH.

i emailed TTI to ask if they would sell their ukit without the supercharger and here is what they said!
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We do plan to offer several iterations of our kit.

There will be a non-intercooled version which will sell for approx. $800 less.

We will also be offering just the lower plenum that the blower sits on top of also separately. You can choose to purchase this with or without the intercooler, heat exchanger and fluid pump.

The full kit is priced at $4299 as a introductory price. This includes everything we list on the website. It truely is a complete kit as nothing else is needed to allow the blower to run a peak performance.

If you were to take away the supercharger, I would also assume you would provide your own inlet plenum, throttle body, and intake kit. This is just an estimate but I would say you are looking at a $1500-2000 price reduction to deduct all these items from the kit..

I'll have to check with our tuner, but I assume that if you already have a SCT flasher then you could mail us your unit and we can download our tune on to your unit so you can then download it yourself. You can deduct approx. $150-200 for deducting the chip.

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if they took 1500-2000 off the 4200 price now , it would be very interesting because lets say 1200-1700 for all the rest of the kit, then 4-500 for a used eatton and maybe 200 for a tune

worst case scenerio your looking at 2400 bucks if your lucky you could do it for 1700 no one can complain about gtting a supercharger for 1700 bucks, even it it only added 100 rwhp thats not a bad bang for the buck

Nautilus Performance have devolped a different cooling system for eatons. They will have a kit avalible real soon. If anyone hasany questionsI urge them to call the company themselves. The guy is realhelpful and really knows his stuff.

^^^ I'm still waiting to see them to put up a finished product on their website. Right now there is no link for it. I would like to see what numbers they come up with.

I guess one good thing about it is you could always step up to a terminator KB or something. For the kit to be worth it though, it would need to be under $2k for everything, which seems tough to pull off with tuning.

Even putting on a KB or Whipple won't help you if you can't make boost. Ford added a MUCH larger crank pulley on the Supercoupe, the Lightning and the Cobra. To do what? Spin the supercharger. Go to google and type in "why do superchargers lose boost". 2 ways. You go to a bigger blower pulley or go to a smaller crank pulley. For every 1/2 inch of crank pulley diameter you lose 2 pounds of boost. That is a 6 PSI loss between the Cobra and GT pulley. Just food for thought.

03 eaton on a 2v...wont work. you will have to get the 4 valve heads and also the cobra intake.. so your better off going with a procharger or something of that nature

they will work on a 2 valve gt. Nautilus performance has already done it. They are testing a vehicle as we speak. It will be avaible shortly

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03 eaton on a 2v...wont work. you will have to get the 4 valve heads and also the cobra intake.. so your better off going with a procharger or something of that nature



HAHA welcome to the party, im guessing you skipped the first 2 pages???...

Those lower manifolds pictured for the m112 setups look just like the lightning manifolds without the built in intercooler.

nah don't waste your time and your money dude...if you did that you'd have to change out all your internals so the motor can withstand it....if you're gonna do a roots type supercharger making more than 8psi, it'd be a good idea to rebuild the motor before you slap a blower on it if you have high mileage

dude just go kenne bell ... maybe a little more money but alot more fun!

hey man if u really wanted to u could get the heads off a lightning or even a regular 5.4 because that is what i was gonna do with my car before i decided to sell it. It got a5.4 in it so i wouldnt have to come up with much to charge it!!

it can be done but there are other ways u can go to get more power

booo!!! if u want a cobra s/c just buy a cobra motor and be done with it. just my opinion

you dont have to have a cobra to get boost....:eek:

Just a quick update on the TTI kit. After adding good rods and pistons of course...440 rwhp and 436 rwt at 12.2 pounds of boost. Same kit, but instead of a 3.3 upper, a 3.1 upper pulley. Still stock heads, axle back exhaust. stock cats. so from a starting point of 242 to 440.

ORIGINAL: red347

Just a quick update on the TTI kit. After adding good rods and pistons of course...440 rwhp and 436 rwt at 12.2 pounds of boost. Same kit, but instead of a 3.3 upper, a 3.1 upper pulley. Still stock heads, axle back exhaust. stock cats. so from a starting point of 242 to 440.

Have you found any vids of this kit?

I will check if anyone did a vid at the last testing session. Lots of "installed" pictures at the web site. www.torktech.com

if u buy the adapter manifold, couldnt u put a kenne bell or a whipple supercharger upgrade kit on there?

I suppose you could. We have had a lot of questions about doing that exact thing. We have designed a number of different adapter plates, but there is such a wide selection, and all the blowers have different foot prints, different snout lenghts, etc. so we are going with the TVS 1900 and TVS 2300 upgrade. The 1900 produced 770 hp on a built 6L and the 2300 just put down 950 hp at 15 pounds of boost on an LS2.
Currently our focus is on the daily driver, who wantsa 150hp jump economically, using stock heads and maybe a cat back.
In the future with the same kit, if you install good rods, pistons, and upgrade the fuel system you can jump to 500 rwhp. No other changes.
A kit is currently being installed on another GT that has Stage II cams and heads, good internals, headers, exhaust and the right suspension setup to get it to the ground. We are waiting to see what that will do.

i seen a guy take a m90 blower off a supercoupe thunder bird and put on a 4.6sohc. I have access to one of those blowers. any body no what it would take to do the swap. iknow a differant blower would work betterbut i just want to know what it would take

I had a supercoupe with a ported blower and GTP teflon rotors it had seen boost as high as 18lbs, and it is too small a blower for a 4.6. An M90 is way too small for any 4.6 , the 4.6 breathes soo much better.

thanks man i seen a guy who did it and it ran reel well. but im getting ready to build a 4v stroker mod motor with a f1a procharger n a few months any. i was gana do the m90 a couple months back. so do you know anyone that would be interested in that blower its been ported and has a differant pulley on it.[sm=nxsmile.gif]. and to do a 4v swap into a 2001 gt does the wirering have to b changed. any feedback would be appreciated

You can make power with an M90 IF you invest in some good cams, heads, some porting, and good internals. Here would be an example of that:
http://j.mustangcars.com/J/stang/svtsnake/vidz-08/99Saleen.wmv

Sorry if somebody has already talked about this. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to s/c's and alot of other things about cars. But what would it take to get this s/c setup completed and running good. I have an 02 GT conv auto. with only flows and 3.73's on it.

ORIGINAL: red347

You can make power with an M90 IF you invest in some good cams, heads, some porting, and good internals. Here would be an example of that:
http://j.mustangcars.com/J/stang/svtsnake/vidz-08/99Saleen.wmv
Not very efficient, he would show little gains on top end horsepower compared to if his car was NA and tuned for that , the M90 is too small displacement for a motor that breathes that well, a change to just an m118 would show probably 50hp or greater gains to his set up. With a whipple he would be making about 100hp more with those mods. As a comparison with a 3.8 liter I had410- ftlb of torque and 385 RWHp with headwork(3.8 heads stock are crappy and hard to make good breathers)and a stock 89 cam. Running 18lbs of boost good exhaust and a good FMIC. Tune was for 36 lb injectors I could have used bigger.
This is a 3.8 that breaths poorly compared to the PI 4.6 an M90 is too small to be efficient on a 4.6 with mods, will it work yes, but it has to be spun really fast and is making more torque than peak HP. also making ALOT of heat. that car is very nice, but with just an upgrade to a 118 it would have noticably higher top end.

He is very aware of that fact. And that is the exact reason he just ordered an M112 Gen V from Tork Tech Inc. His estimate is a 1/2 second gain... so 10.70's. I will post his results when they are available.

Well Well.....what a sticky that has been posted! Ok I guess I am going to have to run my mouth for a while about this and give my input. Ok to begin I am poor college kid there you have. I havebeen wanting to supercharge my Stang 99 for about a year now but being in school other things have to come first. In the meantime I have been researching superchargers and reading ever bit of information I can read about them. I once had the idea why not buy a eaton off a Cobra from e-bay and slap it on if only someone made a CHEAP adapter for it. Well the time is here and I see a lot of these ideas coming together. Now that the time is here my feelings have changed BIG TIME. Although I want to supercharge so bad I cant stand it what is the point in investing 2,000 in a adapter, then buying the E-BAY STOCK COBRA EATON supercharger, Fuel Pump, Injectors, MAF, and TUNE, for a STOCK Cobra.....so what if they can handle pretty good numbers that is still absurd because of the price.(THERE IS NO WAY TO GET AROUND HAVING TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT WE ALL KNOW THAT)There are MANY MANY companies out there today that have kits ready for us 2v owners that can make and build on some serious numbers..Why try to kill yourself getting used parts, adapters, and everything else just for a supercharger when there are so many others out there for at most 500 dollars more than what you would invest in this kit just to say I'm supercharger-ed. If you like me your never going to be happy and even to add superchargers and tuning is complicated why go out and make it that much harder on yourself trying to stick a bunch of stock crap that was not designed really for your motor just to put out some numbers that IMO aren't half of what the aftermarket jobs out there can do. That's just my two cents and I am 21 years old. Come on boys I know some of you work do the damn thing right and invest the money to have what you want not just some cheap alternative to say you supercharged, then with a sigh say oh its just a eaton from a cobra when some guy with a Twin-Screw or Cen blows your doors off...That just my two cents...I don't mean to offend anyone...=-)

This just in. Mustang Magic in NY just tuned one of the Tork Tech kits on a 2000. With heads, good internals, headers, exhaust at 12 pounds of boost they reported 495 rwhp @ 6800rpm. It was all done on pump gas. Next week they are upping the boost to 17 pounds. Should be interesting. I'm trying to get a dyno sheet.

ORIGINAL: 1vryfststang

Well Well.....what a sticky that has been posted! Ok I guess I am going to have to run my mouth for a while about this and give my input. Ok to begin I am poor college kid there you have. I havebeen wanting to supercharge my Stang 99 for about a year now but being in school other things have to come first. In the meantime I have been researching superchargers and reading ever bit of information I can read about them. I once had the idea why not buy a eaton off a Cobra from e-bay and slap it on if only someone made a CHEAP adapter for it. Well the time is here and I see a lot of these ideas coming together. Now that the time is here my feelings have changed BIG TIME. Although I want to supercharge so bad I cant stand it what is the point in investing 2,000 in a adapter, then buying the E-BAY STOCK COBRA EATON supercharger, Fuel Pump, Injectors, MAF, and TUNE, for a STOCK Cobra.....so what if they can handle pretty good numbers that is still absurd because of the price.(THERE IS NO WAY TO GET AROUND HAVING TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT WE ALL KNOW THAT)There are MANY MANY companies out there today that have kits ready for us 2v owners that can make and build on some serious numbers..Why try to kill yourself getting used parts, adapters, and everything else just for a supercharger when there are so many others out there for at most 500 dollars more than what you would invest in this kit just to say I'm supercharger-ed. If you like me your never going to be happy and even to add superchargers and tuning is complicated why go out and make it that much harder on yourself trying to stick a bunch of stock crap that was not designed really for your motor just to put out some numbers that IMO aren't half of what the aftermarket jobs out there can do. That's just my two cents and I am 21 years old. Come on boys I know some of you work do the damn thing right and invest the money to have what you want not just some cheap alternative to say you supercharged, then with a sigh say oh its just a eaton from a cobra when some guy with a Twin-Screw or Cen blows your doors off...That just my two cents...I don't mean to offend anyone...=-)




I think you're really missing the whole point of this idea. It isn't for everybody. It's for those trying to save some money and who don't mind pieceing it together. No one said it is better than a twinscrew, but that argument kind of goes out the window when you realize thatan M112is capable of producing more then the STOCK block can handle.you can install a KB on your car and make 400rwhp safely, and you can with the M112 as well. Nobody with a twin screw or a centri is going to "Blow your doors off" unless their making more power (READ: Built block).If you're going with a built block, then this is not for you.

i didnt bother reading what everyone said about this. but i did butt loads of research and it can be done. i saw used ones selling for 250 to 1000 on ebay but.... you need to chance alot of parts in order to get it working i saw a company that sold a kit for 2,900 that didnt even have all the parts you needed. when all is said and done your looking at spending almost $4,000. your way better off getting this kit http://modularpowerhouse.com/product_info.php?products_id=91&osCsid=d3bd82412bd bc1c6dca50bfc987a435for another kit like this one. no one who bought this had one bad thing to say about it. and it would be a alot less of a headache not to mention all brand new parts

Well here you go guys. Finally a dyno sheet of the new TTI kit on a bone stock 99 GT. Stock heads, stock exhaust, stock everything. This was just a straight "bolt on". Stock compared to after install. 9.3 PSI max, average boost was 7.5 pounds. I would guess the boost climbed a bit higher because of everything being bone stock. Lots of rescrictions.

http://home.fastspecialties.com/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/TTI_408.jpg

BTW...I hear Nautilus "shelved" the project.

The first couple of posts all rag on EATON SC's. EATON SC's weren't made to be "custom add-ons". They were made to be production ready!!! Thus the reason that the other manufacturers are better. I was raised in a household that was supported by EATON. EATON makes marvelous things, and if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't currently have some of the technology that we do!!! I had a 3.8L Camaro that would have been supered.....if I would have kept it!!! And it would have been done with a "production ready" super.

Another point to consider when talking positive displacement blower is where they make power. I see a LOT of "peak power drop off" and "Lack power up top" type comments. Where do you drive the car? I bet if you are like 99.999999% of drivers on the street, it's in the lower and middle part of the power band.I bet most of you aren't redlinig the motor and keeping it up there while driving right?
Positive displacement blowersare great at making low end power right off the line. That is right where you want it for a fun street car.

Have you found any vids of this kit?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Hoppers04Gt


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UMknhW0mG4

Sounds Awsome!!!

I know there is a production 2v intake manifold for the cobra eaton supercharger. I will have to dig in my archives to find it, but I will find and post as soon as I can.

About 6 months, maybe a year ago, there were 2 companies that built manifolds for adapting the 03-04 to a 2V. Both quit the projects. The problem is that you need a 2 belt system just like on the supercoupe, cobra and Lightning. Which means you need a cross brace/idler assembly to run the blower. Then you have to machine the crank pulley/damper to fit a secondary pulley on it. and that's just the beginning of the parts list, it gets long and EXPENSIVE.

Tork Tech was making one. $3500 or so for a set up, but that had all the goodies needed to get it going. Made 357/377 @ wheels on a stock PI 4.6L SOHC (IIRC).

The non inter cooled Tork Tech kit makes about 350 x 350 and sells for about $3800.00 with a blower. The inter cooled kit is making 400 + with everything needed for about $4400.00. They have to "de tune" the kits to keep them from popping engines. This is a dyno sheet of one on a 99 Saleen @ 12 pounds of boost. Good rods and pistons. http://home.fastspecialties.com/images/stories/george.jpg