Ok....so I finally found a mustang that is in decent condition in my area that turns out to be a 65' hartop....ok...now it is a 6cyl. three speed.....what I was wondering was....how hard and what am I looking at to put a fuel injected 5.0 motor in it...and on a 2nd note...is $5000 a good price on a pretty much fully restored mustang of that year?....

hey man welcome to da forums. and ya i think that is a good price. i'm sure some1 else will chime in who knows more but it sounds ok to me. just make susre that there is NO RUST. the less body work to do the more you can spend on performance or show stuff or whatever u r into.;)

Good Luck Man!!!:D

Id say $5000 is a pretty damn good deal if its nearly fully restored.

ok soo...everyone is helping me about the price part but my main question is how hard will it be to put a fuel injected 5.0 motor into it...like I said it is a 6 cyl. now....

It won't exactly be Hard per say to convert to a fuel injected 5.0.... just not that easy...
If you want it to be a real v8 car and handle and stop well, you're going to need to / want to replace the front 4 lug drums to a 5 lug disc, rear the same lug conversion. You'll probably need to replace the tranny (I'm not sure what you have) which you'll probably do if you have a donor car with the 5.0... Replace the radiator, and drivetrain. I would probably reccomend an aftermarket EFI system if you can afford it so you don't need to perform some hack job on the wiring harness.

My 64.5 I'm personally keeping carbed for simplicity sake, have an edelbrock intake and putting heads/cam/headers on it. I'll probably do the SSBC front power discs, Flaming River rack, T5 and... A/C when I'm through with it...

Thanks man....I have another question of something that you said do you think that I should use a factory ecu or should I get a totally independent aftermarket ecu and wiring harness....because I was planning on using a 89-93 5.0 with a tremec 5 speed behind it.....

ORIGINAL: uberGEEK

Thanks man....I have another question of something that you said do you think that I should use a factory ecu or should I get a totally independent aftermarket ecu and wiring harness....because I was planning on using a 89-93 5.0 with a tremec 5 speed behind it.....
You have to replace basically the entire front end to support the heavier engine and components. I would suggest you look into replacing the front end with a Mustang II front end. Your engine bay will be very crowded with the 5.0 mainly because of the placement of the shock towers. And, as has been mentioned, you will need to upgrade the entire brake system to disk brakes. So, you are looking at about a 10 grand job. I paid 5 grand for my rust free 65 way back in '91, so you will be getting a bargain if it is a completely rust free car. As far as the ECU and wiring harness, I would use the factory one. You will find that you will be well over your head in money out if you start replacing everything with aftermarket parts.

Ok. First off, 5K for a nearly restored coupe is a good price.
Second, If you want a V-8 car, why don't you get a V-8 car. For 5K you can find one that is in good shape.
Now, before I sound like an idiot or jerk, the reason I say this is to convert the I-6 to V-8 EFI, you'll need to change the whole front suspension,brakes,rear diff,motor/frame mounts,associated wiring and also get the EFI setup and associated parts for that. After you acquire all the parts you need, the end result will be mucho $$$$$$. Also, if the person who you bought it from went through all the trouble of doing(or having it done) a resto on it, it would be a shame to take the car apart for the conversion.[sm=badidea.gif]
Try www.fordsix.com Those guys have tons of mods for a 6 to make it run just as good/fast as an 8.

Now all that said, If you do decide to do the conversion anyway, I'll be more than happy to take some of the 6 cyl. stuff off your hands;).

well he was planning on doing a v-8 conversion in it himself.....him and his son but his son decided that he didn't like the car...soo..you know....but...didn't think it would be too much money because if you bought a donor 5.0 wrecked or something for $500...which I know I can get because we have a local wrecking yard that deals only with mustangs....could I basically have everything I need besides the front suspension...see this is why I was asking......

If your young, loaded $$$$, and have lots of time on your hands than go for it.

If not, run away, or enjoy the I6.

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Try putting a Toyota Supra motor in it. Its still a six, but it has power(200hplus) and it can go for more then 200,000 miles. Use the transmission too. You don't have to up grade anything else!

ORIGINAL: horseshoeing

Try putting a Toyota Supra motor in it...

You suggested this swap in another post as I recall... Have you done it yourself, and can you recommend it first hand? By the way - many of these still-running vintage Ford 200 inline sixes have well in excess of 200,000 miles on their clock. They may not be power-houses; but they certainly have durability on their side.

is it possible to put the supra motor in it? my bro is into the supras and i have a 66 with the i6. hes been ordering motors for like $900 shipped to the house. They dont run bad either. And are you talking the mkII or the mkIII motor?

You can put just about any motor in a Mustang. I have never did it, but it sounds like a great swap. I would try it, but I have a V8 motor in mine. If I had a I6 I would really think about it. In the Toyota world, That is the motor that they swap too. Don't know what would have to be done, but how hard could it be?

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I have never did it (sic) ...but how hard could it be?

Run - don't walk - from advice like this!

Price- it all depends on the resto job. If it was done right it is a killer deal. If not.....well.... I mean some guys replace rotted steel and some guys slap on bondo and lots of paint, once it's "done" only time will show the quality of work.

The V8 swap is not the most difficult thing on those old cars. sites like

http://www.ronmorrisperformance.com/06tech/
http://windsor-fox.com/main.htm

Have been doing these swaps for ever so they have lots of info and LOTS of sites on the net have a step by step approach to this kind of thing.

Personally I would forgo the EFI and put a Carb of for reduced trouble, No computer, no return fuel lines, no wiring harness, etc......

The front end, cooling system, brakes, suspension and rearend will all need to be changed but for the 65/66 cars all of this stuff can be bought in kits and there is Lots of suppliers with lots of options.

The only downside I can see is the overall cost. Even if you got yourself a doner drivetrain at a good price and bought used or inexpensive parts for the rest you will still spend more money than buying a whole V8 65/66 car. However if the body and interior on yours is in A1 shape you would have a pretty rockin car when you are done, and the difference in cost could (?) be minimal.

I am just glad that I have my 65 in original condition. All this swap for toyota enginen that are front wheel drive vehicles, and all the upgrades are just not what I figure as an original 65 Mustang. I love my original Mustang, but drive the hell out of my 03 Mach1. :D Now, I have to figure out how to get my original cigarette lighter working. :D

the supra is rw. I talked to my brother about this last night, he said he would highly recomend the 1jz. costs a little more but the reliability is much greater. plus you can get parts all day long for the motor. he said it runs $500 more than the 7mgte (which is the motor out of the late 80's supras, the ones with turbos). I googled this swap and came up empty handed. im sure a good fab guy could do it though. check out http://www.supraforums.com for more info.

Even if the Supra motor would fit, WHY???? you would need to Fabricate motor mounts/support beams as the ford will not mate to the toyota. You would need to fabricate a trany crossmember. Hopefully the shifter hole will line up or you are cutting a new hole for the shifter and fabricating a peice for the old hole. Will the Tranny yoke bolt to the drive shaft or will it be custom built. Will the bellhousing fit the tranny tunnel or will you have to modify/fabricate a firewall. After it is all done all you have spent a lot of money for the same #of cyl, What did you gain???????? Even after it is all done should you decide to sell it who will buy it, anyone looking for an original one or one to put back to original will see WAY TOO MUCH WORK. If you are going to modify it, do it tastefully and do it bolt on. V8 is both.

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Even if the Supra motor would fit, WHY????

Well said! You can't just go spouting off "Hey - this is a good engine, and I don't see why it wouldn't fit."

You guys don't know how good the supra motor is. It is one of the best motors out there. Why would you do it? It a great motor! It would make a great daily driver. You would get about 28mpg and have power! I don't think it would be hard to do. The bellhousing is small and should fit.The rest of it should not be that hard to do. I was thinking about the oil pan. Would it hit anything? If I had a I6 in my mustang, I would really look into it. I think it would be better and cheaper.

ORIGINAL: horseshoeing

You guys don't know how good the supra motor is... It a great motor! ...I don't think it would be hard to do...

What are the dimensions of the Toyota engine? Is it exactly the same length and width (as the Ford 200 cid)? Will it bolt right to the Ford motor mounts without any modifications? What about its height: could it be taller and have hood clearance issues? Is it a heavier engine (requiring suspension and brake modifications)? Will the shifter come right through the Mustang shifter hole? Will the fan rest too close to the radiator to turn?

The Ford 200 cid is an excellent engine with tremendous potential. As I said earlier, there are hundreds of thousands of them out there still moving Mustangs around after nearly 40 years. And when the time comes to rebuild one, I have no doubt that it could be brought up to the power level of the Toyota six. I don't think anyone is arguing that the Toyota Supra engine isn't a good power plant. So is a Porsche engine - why not use one of those? But simply establishing the fact that it's a "good engine" isn't reason enough to drop it into a vintage Mustang. At least not without having done it yourself and offering first-hand advice.

Why not use a helicopter engine? That's what Tucker did! I hear is a good engine and I think it might fit... :eek:

It is lighter then the Mustang I6 and it starts with 200plus horses. The I6 is heavy and the heads suck big time. If you don't think putting a Toyota motor in a Mustang is a good thing, then don't do it. Lets get real, the I6 is old and ford don't make any good new I6 motors that are any good. Toyota does. I think it would work good and would be easy to put in. Ok, you will have to make motor mounts, so what. Don't know about where the shifter will come up at. Thats something to look in to. If you have to, cut a new hole and weld up the old new. Someone has to be the 1st one to try it to know how it will work. I think it will work great.

you could just go with the auto trans. that solves the whole hole issue. the hardest part about the whole thing would be getting the fuel injection and ignition system swapped to the mustang. Depending on whether or not you went with the 6mgte or 7mgte, some of the replacement parts for the ignition system are high dollar. Just hope you dont have to buy an igniter ($500 coil for the most part). There would be lots of options though. They might even have a carb conversion for it, though I havent looked myself but they do for everything else.

NO the auto tranny doesnt' solve the hole issue. If the shifter on the toyota is column mounted then we are talking more fab work. If it is linkage driven you will need to relocate the hole for the shifter location OR you will need to fab some linkage to fit the toyota tranny with the ford hole. You are right it COULD fit right in BUT it could be an absolute nightmare no one knows because no one has tried it. The fit of an engine in the engine bay is not super precise but 1-2 inches can mean the difference between an easy fit and complete refabrication. No one knows the answeres but for example if toyota moved the engine mounts 2 in. in any direction from the ford mounts (and remember the V8 or L6 are both longer motors than the toyota so it is unlikley that the mounting dimentions are the same) then the shifter hole could be under the dash OR the bell housing could be right against the firewall. If you are a fabricator go ahead and give it a go, but If your last name isn't FOOSE or you you don't live next to the producer of Rides I think it is going to be a REALLY big project.

To defend the L6 Clifford performance has made thes engines real screamers. They have large displacement, very strong crank, and with the right bolt on parts can go SILLY fast. And my guess is that for the money he would spend on a toyota motor and tranny he could buy some go fast goodies for his six that would make it much faster, no fab work and the car could be put back to original condidion EASY.

The Supra motor is probably a Great motor I just think it belongs in a Toyota.

Why would anybody put a Japanese motor in Detroit steel? That would make a bastard out of it. Poor Mustang would probably roll over dead. :D

If I wanted a friggin Supra, I'd buy one. I don't think the poster is asking for a friggin Japanese motored car. He is asking for advice in how to switch his I6 over to a Ford V8.

Someone would probably put a supra motor in a mustang for the same reason someone would put a 350 chevy in a mustang.

I think I'm gonna hurl![:'(]

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a mustang in chingchong land...

if anybody feels like this [:'(] while watching the pics.. ill remove them..

You know FoMoCo_Jeppe I would really appreciat it if you didn't scour the net looking for pictures to argue against me, it really doesn't make me look very good so if you could pull them down It would make my argument much easier :)

So I take it back, it CAN be done and it HAS been done so there. Although in my defence i never said it couldn't be done i just said it looked like a LOT of work and by the fab work done to the fender and quarters it seems this guy is into that kind of thing.

I will still argue that it is a lot of work though, at the very least more work than some bolt on go fast goodies from clifford performance of the engine swap kits from windsor fords. Which if I recall is what the original post was all about.

Oh, it can be done, alright. The point being argued is how easily it could be done. It's certainly not a drop-in kind of swap (as some would have us believe). My point of contension has been that as reliable and proven as the Ford 200 cid is - what's the need for the swap?

The lack of shock to firewall braces has me wondering about the overall stability of this particular car.

Everyone is know backtracking:D. I don't think it would be as hard as you think and its a better motor then the OLD 200 I6. Have a open mind about things guys. That car looks like it fast.

If I could show you a photo of a raised, 4 wheel drive '65 Mustang - would you think it's a good idea? Just because someone has done something, doesn't necessarily mean it's easy or even worthwhile!

Don't get mad Dan. If you just think about it, You too will like to have a Toyota Supra motor in a Mustang. I might get a I6 Mustang and put one in.

Hey, great idea, Joe! Please post pics when you're done! Maybe in the next couple of weeks?

Just curious... You've got an import truck as your avatar and you're really bent on dropping a Toyota engine in anything that needs a carb adjustment - why are you on a vintage Mustang forum anyway?

I got a 1966 Ford Mustang. I got it when I was 15 and now I am 32. I don't drive it everyday now. I drive it on sundays now. I got a Toyota truck because they are the best at what they are. Lets get real, Ford Rangers 4x4 trucks don't cut it. I need something that a little better then a Ranger.

If I get a ford mustang and put a Supra motor in it, it will take longer then 3 weeks. I still have to do a brake job on my Mustang that I have now. Its the time thing for me. I don't have much of it. Why don't you do it and tell us how hard it is.

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I got a 1966 Ford Mustang. I got it when I was 15 and now I am 32. I don't drive it everyday now. I drive it on sundays now. I got a Toyota truck because they are the best at what they are. Lets get real, Ford Rangers 4x4 trucks don't cut it. I need something that a little better then a Ranger.

If I get a ford mustang and put a Supra motor in it, it will take longer then 3 weeks. I still have to do a brake job on my Mustang that I have now. Its the time thing for me. I don't have much of it. Why don't you do it and tell us how hard it is.
No, you are the one saying putting a Toyota engine and tranny in a Mustang is the way to go. You are also saying that your Toyota truck is better than a Ford truck. Well, you are just on the wrong forum to dispell Ford products.

I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS CRAP! MR MODERATOR, PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD. IF I WANTED TO READ ABOUT TOYOTA'S I'D GO TO A TOYOTA SITE. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!

PS - THIS COMES FROM SOMEONE WITH A 500HP TWIN TURBO SUPRA (A CUSTOMER'S CAR) IN HIS GARAGE.

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Why don't you do it and tell us how hard it is.

Because I'm not the one that keeps bringing it up! And because I'm not interested in seeing it done. I never meant to imply that it couldn't be accomplished... I just didn't (and don't) see the point! I'm sure I could drop a BMW V8 into my Mustang and it would blow away my 40-year old 289 - but I don't want to. Don't you get it?

I drive my 1966 GT fastback every single blessed day. It is not only a fair weather driver! And it's still on its original 289. If it had come with a 200 cid, I would still be running it as well. We all know that there are better-engineered, more-powerful, newer engines out there, and that's just fine. But I refuse to drop some little import engine into my vintage American classic car, or even be entertained by others who have. What's next - enormous coffee can exhaust tips to complete your little over-seas powerplant?

You're apparently under the impression that you have the upper hand in this little exchange (by suggesting I'm back-pedaling and telling me to try your idea for myself). What I'd like to know is what interest a vintage Mustang holds for someone like you in the first place? Why not just sell your '66 and get something a little better suited for your tastes? Something with a nice high-pitched leaf blower sound to it...

in case anyone was wondering, here is a quote i got.
"its a 1jzgte vvti engine.. found only in japan.. many have made it's way here. came in i belive supra's, soarers, and something else?"
Just in case you were wondering what motor was in the above pictured mustange.

You guys are closed minded. Nothing good comes out of be closed minded. I was talking about a mustang and how to make it better. Sorry that talking about Mustang and how to make them better is making you guys mad and this is a Mustang site, not a ford ranger site.

ORIGINAL: Soaring

Why would anybody put a Japanese motor in Detroit steel? That would make a bastard out of it. Poor Mustang would probably roll over dead. :D


IIRC, the car is in Malaysia where they have severe restrictions on engine displacement.

The funny this that 1JZ will make about 300rwhp with a 3" exhaust and some up'd boost. That's more HP the the wheels than most Ford V8s make... [sm=smiley36.gif]

I am in the same boat. I am looking at a 66 Mustang with a 200 I-6. I would like to change the engine to a 302 or like engine. My neighbor is a Mustang fanatic as is my Father-in-Law. I will leave the 6 if the numbers all match but if not, I would like to get a good idea of the cost of going with an 8. I agree with a majority of the postings, why put a foreign engine in a piece of American history. Thank You,

It would make it a better daily driver and give it more power then a stock 2bl 289. You would not have to change the brakes or the rearend or alot of other stuff.

If you are going to change it to a V8, Go buy a V8 car and tell people that you changed it. It would be better and cheaper.

ORIGINAL: sapperelite

I will leave the 6 if the numbers all match...

Oh, fer cryin' out loud - there is no such animal as a "matching-numbers" early Mustang!
There is no VIN on any part of the drive line; therefore, no numbers to match!
And even if there were, why concern yourself with the originality of a six cylinder hardtop? They only made about a million of them by the end of 1966![:@]

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ORIGINAL: sapperelite

I will leave the 6 if the numbers all match...

Oh, fer cryin' out loud - there is no such animal as a "matching-numbers" early Mustang!
There is no VIN on any part of the drive line; therefore, no numbers to match!
And even if there were, why concern yourself with the originality of a six cylinder hardtop? They only made about a million of them by the end of 1966![:@]
And, that be the truth. :D Nah an old 6 banger mustang from that era was made for economy and still be able to afford gas. They weren't built to last this long, that's for sure. However, it is amazing how well those old 6 bangers were built, and still more amazing is all the upgrades you can get for them to make them go fast. However, I still like my 289 that I can tinker with to get around any 6 banger. :D

Thanks for the heads up on the numbers. I am just getting into the Mustang way of life and have a lot to learn. I am interested in any advice on how to get the most out of the 6 or any recommendations on setting it up for an 8. I prefer the 8...