You guys don't know how good the supra motor is. It is one of the best motors out there. Why would you do it? It a great motor! It would make a great daily driver. You would get about 28mpg and have power! I don't think it would be hard to do. The bellhousing is small and should fit.The rest of it should not be that hard to do. I was thinking about the oil pan. Would it hit anything? If I had a I6 in my mustang, I would really look into it. I think it would be better and cheaper.
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1966 Ford Mustang 289 hopped-up, ford 9" , 4 wheel disk brakes , HD T5 and BANNED from XOC.(Xterra Owners Club)
You guys don't know how good the supra motor is... It a great motor! ...I don't think it would be hard to do...
What are the dimensions of the Toyota engine? Is it exactly the same length and width (as the Ford 200 cid)? Will it bolt right to the Ford motor mounts without any modifications? What about its height: could it be taller and have hood clearance issues? Is it a heavier engine (requiring suspension and brake modifications)? Will the shifter come right through the Mustang shifter hole? Will the fan rest too close to the radiator to turn?
The Ford 200 cid is an excellent engine with tremendous potential. As I said earlier, there are hundreds of thousands of them out there still moving Mustangs around after nearly 40 years. And when the time comes to rebuild one, I have no doubt that it could be brought up to the power level of the Toyota six. I don't think anyone is arguing that the Toyota Supra engine isn't a good power plant. So is a Porsche engine - why not use one of those? But simply establishing the fact that it's a "good engine" isn't reason enough to drop it into a vintage Mustang. At least not without having done it yourself and offering first-hand advice.
Why not use a helicopter engine? That's what Tucker did! I hear is a good engine and I think it might fit...
It is lighter then the Mustang I6 and it starts with 200plus horses. The I6 is heavy and the heads suck big time. If you don't think putting a Toyota motor in a Mustang is a good thing, then don't do it. Lets get real, the I6 is old and ford don't make any good new I6 motors that are any good. Toyota does. I think it would work good and would be easy to put in. Ok, you will have to make motor mounts, so what. Don't know about where the shifter will come up at. Thats something to look in to. If you have to, cut a new hole and weld up the old new. Someone has to be the 1st one to try it to know how it will work. I think it will work great.
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1966 Ford Mustang 289 hopped-up, ford 9" , 4 wheel disk brakes , HD T5 and BANNED from XOC.(Xterra Owners Club)
you could just go with the auto trans. that solves the whole hole issue. the hardest part about the whole thing would be getting the fuel injection and ignition system swapped to the mustang. Depending on whether or not you went with the 6mgte or 7mgte, some of the replacement parts for the ignition system are high dollar. Just hope you dont have to buy an igniter ($500 coil for the most part). There would be lots of options though. They might even have a carb conversion for it, though I havent looked myself but they do for everything else.
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NO the auto tranny doesnt' solve the hole issue. If the shifter on the toyota is column mounted then we are talking more fab work. If it is linkage driven you will need to relocate the hole for the shifter location OR you will need to fab some linkage to fit the toyota tranny with the ford hole. You are right it COULD fit right in BUT it could be an absolute nightmare no one knows because no one has tried it. The fit of an engine in the engine bay is not super precise but 1-2 inches can mean the difference between an easy fit and complete refabrication. No one knows the answeres but for example if toyota moved the engine mounts 2 in. in any direction from the ford mounts (and remember the V8 or L6 are both longer motors than the toyota so it is unlikley that the mounting dimentions are the same) then the shifter hole could be under the dash OR the bell housing could be right against the firewall. If you are a fabricator go ahead and give it a go, but If your last name isn't FOOSE or you you don't live next to the producer of Rides I think it is going to be a REALLY big project.
To defend the L6 Clifford performance has made thes engines real screamers. They have large displacement, very strong crank, and with the right bolt on parts can go SILLY fast. And my guess is that for the money he would spend on a toyota motor and tranny he could buy some go fast goodies for his six that would make it much faster, no fab work and the car could be put back to original condidion EASY.
The Supra motor is probably a Great motor I just think it belongs in a Toyota.
If I wanted a friggin Supra, I'd buy one. I don't think the poster is asking for a friggin Japanese motored car. He is asking for advice in how to switch his I6 over to a Ford V8.
You know FoMoCo_Jeppe I would really appreciat it if you didn't scour the net looking for pictures to argue against me, it really doesn't make me look very good so if you could pull them down It would make my argument much easier
So I take it back, it CAN be done and it HAS been done so there. Although in my defence i never said it couldn't be done i just said it looked like a LOT of work and by the fab work done to the fender and quarters it seems this guy is into that kind of thing.
I will still argue that it is a lot of work though, at the very least more work than some bolt on go fast goodies from clifford performance of the engine swap kits from windsor fords. Which if I recall is what the original post was all about.
Oh, it can be done, alright. The point being argued is how easily it could be done. It's certainly not a drop-in kind of swap (as some would have us believe). My point of contension has been that as reliable and proven as the Ford 200 cid is - what's the need for the swap?
The lack of shock to firewall braces has me wondering about the overall stability of this particular car.
Everyone is know backtracking. I don't think it would be as hard as you think and its a better motor then the OLD 200 I6. Have a open mind about things guys. That car looks like it fast.
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1966 Ford Mustang 289 hopped-up, ford 9" , 4 wheel disk brakes , HD T5 and BANNED from XOC.(Xterra Owners Club)
If I could show you a photo of a raised, 4 wheel drive '65 Mustang - would you think it's a good idea? Just because someone has done something, doesn't necessarily mean it's easy or even worthwhile!
Hey, great idea, Joe! Please post pics when you're done! Maybe in the next couple of weeks?
Just curious... You've got an import truck as your avatar and you're really bent on dropping a Toyota engine in anything that needs a carb adjustment - why are you on a vintage Mustang forum anyway?
I got a 1966 Ford Mustang. I got it when I was 15 and now I am 32. I don't drive it everyday now. I drive it on sundays now. I got a Toyota truck because they are the best at what they are. Lets get real, Ford Rangers 4x4 trucks don't cut it. I need something that a little better then a Ranger.
If I get a ford mustang and put a Supra motor in it, it will take longer then 3 weeks. I still have to do a brake job on my Mustang that I have now. Its the time thing for me. I don't have much of it. Why don't you do it and tell us how hard it is.
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1966 Ford Mustang 289 hopped-up, ford 9" , 4 wheel disk brakes , HD T5 and BANNED from XOC.(Xterra Owners Club)
I got a 1966 Ford Mustang. I got it when I was 15 and now I am 32. I don't drive it everyday now. I drive it on sundays now. I got a Toyota truck because they are the best at what they are. Lets get real, Ford Rangers 4x4 trucks don't cut it. I need something that a little better then a Ranger.
If I get a ford mustang and put a Supra motor in it, it will take longer then 3 weeks. I still have to do a brake job on my Mustang that I have now. Its the time thing for me. I don't have much of it. Why don't you do it and tell us how hard it is.
No, you are the one saying putting a Toyota engine and tranny in a Mustang is the way to go. You are also saying that your Toyota truck is better than a Ford truck. Well, you are just on the wrong forum to dispell Ford products.
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I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS CRAP! MR MODERATOR, PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD. IF I WANTED TO READ ABOUT TOYOTA'S I'D GO TO A TOYOTA SITE. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!
PS - THIS COMES FROM SOMEONE WITH A 500HP TWIN TURBO SUPRA (A CUSTOMER'S CAR) IN HIS GARAGE.
Because I'm not the one that keeps bringing it up! And because I'm not interested in seeing it done. I never meant to imply that it couldn't be accomplished... I just didn't (and don't) see the point! I'm sure I could drop a BMW V8 into my Mustang and it would blow away my 40-year old 289 - but I don't want to. Don't you get it?
I drive my 1966 GT fastback every single blessed day. It is not only a fair weather driver! And it's still on its original 289. If it had come with a 200 cid, I would still be running it as well. We all know that there are better-engineered, more-powerful, newer engines out there, and that's just fine. But I refuse to drop some little import engine into my vintage American classic car, or even be entertained by others who have. What's next - enormous coffee can exhaust tips to complete your little over-seas powerplant?
You're apparently under the impression that you have the upper hand in this little exchange (by suggesting I'm back-pedaling and telling me to try your idea for myself). What I'd like to know is what interest a vintage Mustang holds for someone like you in the first place? Why not just sell your '66 and get something a little better suited for your tastes? Something with a nice high-pitched leaf blower sound to it...
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