I was in the station for the first time filling my baby up($34bucks!!wtf) and while I was doing it the damn thing kept shutting off on me. over and over like the tank was full.. mean while a POS beat up honda with 5 inch tip filled up and was reving his crap at me.. and I was still pumping gas!!.. He beat me at the pump.. and waited for me..for a little.. I guess he wanted to see what my tail lights looked like at night. anyway, he left and.. I felt empty inside..... help [sm=boosign.gif]

There is TSB available,
I got a copy of it from this Board, from a member called "casper"
My replacement tank is on order for my GT.

Later,


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thanks.. I thought I saw something like that.. but I could not find it. If there is a TBS then all I have to do it call them and tell them or order one for me to?


ORIGINAL: Scottsat

There is TSB available,
I got a copy of it from this Board, from a member called "casper"
My replacement tank is on order for my GT.

Later,


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I can email you the copy he sent me. If needed, let me know.

Later,

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I heard about a gas tank issue. I found it in a small out fo the way town near the Hearst Castle.

For me, I hold the the nozzle at about 4:30/5:00 position and fill ups happen OK.

What happens with the new gas tank?

based on the TSB, there is a revised venting system in the tank.
The old tank, to much vapor builds up. Thus causing the pump to shut of early.

TSB's are handy, gives you ammo when assualting the dealership service department.

This forum is great for sharing information on our Automobiles.

later,

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thanks man.. can you send it to me at tedwork@sbcglobal.net ?



ORIGINAL: Scottsat

I can email you the copy he sent me. If needed, let me know.

Later,

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Sent Thursday morning to your email.

later,

great.. thanks.. but after 35 bucks/... I'm going to send it back empty!haaha

Could you please send me the TSB also bkkja@comcast.net
Thanks

ok.. done.. I thought you just ordered yours.. you shouldnt have any issues by then.. we hope ;)

OOPS!!!
I sent it also......

Sorry guys!!

later,

ahah.. its ok scottsat.. I e-mailed the dealer and gave him heads up. Lets see how they are after the sale:eek:

I can just imagin the looks on the service managers face when you guys who the dealers you have TSBs. lol. They get sooo pissed. Like youre only comming there to get free stuff done. lol. They must hate me.

CASPER!! where you been?? you missed the EVO punk last night. Hes in one of the supercharge posts. Anyway, as the for tank they should have seen that by now.. I got my car on 3-3-05.. no one know about it and still dont.. haha.. F them.. Its bad enough that I have to pay $34 bucks to fill the thing.. but dont make me spend 10minutes to do it [sm=boosign.gif]


ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

I can just imagin the looks on the service managers face when you guys who the dealers you have TSBs. lol. They get sooo pissed. Like youre only comming there to get free stuff done. lol. They must hate me.

No, you are only helping fellow Mustang Enthusiats(sp.)

Someone said to me the other day "you would think they would have this stuff corrected before rolling out a new model" You would think???

Thanks for the help Casper, thank you for the Civic duty/Citizenship to help the masses. Power to the people( time to get out of here it is getting a little deep in????):D

Later,

How do you think they'll like this? The warranty runs out on March 16th. I sold the car and I'm delivering it tomorrow with all the TSB's that I got from my father-in-law for the buyer. So basically, she'll walk into a dealership on Monday with the TSB's with 2 days and 1500 miles left on the warranty.

as that cooking dude would say


BAM!!!!!!!




later,

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Would someone please email me the TSB as well? I just bought my V6 last Friday and when I filled up yesterday I had to hold the pump down to get it to fill.

brad@bradnkristy.com

Thanks!

BTW great board, I've found lots of good info.

check your email..........

I noticed that if there is not a "vapor recover fitting" on the nozzle my tank has no problem filling up. But, am I gonna drive around looking for such a pump???heck no!' Ford fix it please!!


Later,

Thanks for the email Scott. I'm stopping at the dealership on my way home tonight to order some accessories, and I'll bring the TSB in to have them schedule me an appointment.

Just so I don't sound totally ignorant when I go in there, what does TSB stand for, and is this part of a bulletin that goes out to dealerships and/or repair shops or what?

Thanks.

I have had it with the trouble filling my gas tank...[:@]

Would someone please email me the TBS

Frank.pinker@komag.com

Thanks much ahead of time.

you should have it.

Could I get a copy of this TSB also please. Email: ian_gaffiney@hotmail.com


Thanks in advance


Ian

You MotherF*ckers Highjacked my POST in this forum!!! lol.. . Now they all think you ( lost) and scott are the heroS!!! J/K


Just to clear up a few thing, the dealership DOES not know about ANY TSB's. Basically this is what happens...

First i pull in a 2005 FORD Mustang GT, the repair order says. "Customer says she has troubles pumping gas." I laugh to myself and i talk to my neighbor in the shop and say what a moron this ladie is. She cant even fill her gas tank. lol....
I pull it in my bay, and check it out. Well, it seems to be ok, i check out the valve make sure it opens stick a tube down there. Everything seems ok....
Keep in mind, i would be doing this before i knew about the TSb for the fuel tank..
NOW some techs, might laugh and say ok, i found nothing
But others like myself, go to the computer sitting at dispatch.. Go to the Professional FORD website. Go to OASIS and type in the VIN. Then type in code numbers for "fuel problems" then it comes up with TSB's. FORD publishes TSB's to help us technicians before we call the tech-line at FORD. So i check and i find one. NOW i know FORD has problems with the fuel tanks, i print it, show it to the parts people they order a revised gas tank and then i show the ladie she isnt crazy and she is happy. I replace it fill it up and ship it. She gets survey in the mail, checking off all the "great" boxes and everyone is happy..... END OF STORY!!

To give credit where credit is due:

Thanks for the info Casper! [sm=smiley32.gif]

Luckily I had found this message board on Wednesday and the first time I filled up was Thursday so I was ready for it and sure enough I had the trouble. I would have felt like such a tool if I couldn't fill up my own gas tank before I knew there was an issue. [sm=headbang.gif]

That hurts casper.. I gave props to you days ago: :(

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_426050/tm.htm

Thanks... I was kidding. I dont really care how people get their info, as long as they get it!!! Thanks to you these people didnt have to wait 4-5 days before i could find time to come post again. lol.

So THANKS to you guys for helping everyone out. :)

ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

You MotherF*ckers Highjacked my POST in this forum!!! lol.. . Now they all think you ( lost) and scott are the heroS!!! J/K


Just to clear up a few thing, the dealership DOES not know about ANY TSB's. Basically this is what happens...

First i pull in a 2005 FORD Mustang GT, the repair order says. "Customer says she has troubles pumping gas." I laugh to myself and i talk to my neighbor in the shop and say what a moron this ladie is. She cant even fill her gas tank. lol....
I pull it in my bay, and check it out. Well, it seems to be ok, i check out the valve make sure it opens stick a tube down there. Everything seems ok....
Keep in mind, i would be doing this before i knew about the TSb for the fuel tank..
NOW some techs, might laugh and say ok, i found nothing
But others like myself, go to the computer sitting at dispatch.. Go to the Professional FORD website. Go to OASIS and type in the VIN. Then type in code numbers for "fuel problems" then it comes up with TSB's. FORD publishes TSB's to help us technicians before we call the tech-line at FORD. So i check and i find one. NOW i know FORD has problems with the fuel tanks, i print it, show it to the parts people they order a revised gas tank and then i show the ladie she isnt crazy and she is happy. I replace it fill it up and ship it. She gets survey in the mail, checking off all the "great" boxes and everyone is happy..... END OF STORY!!


Sweet, I get a second dealer fill up ??? They filled it up when new, mostly to have a reason for the salesman to drive her. lol

Hey Casper98GT, is there a way for us to get a list of all the common TSB's being utilized for the 2005 stang. I would like to know all the problems on my new car before I get it in two weeks. Thanks in advance.... Silver Streak..

Hey Casper98GT, is there a way for us to get a list of all the common TSB's being utilized for the 2005 stang. I would like to know all the problems on my new car before I get it in two weeks. Thanks in advance.... Silver Streak..

How did I post this twice??? What a dope...

Please send me the tsb too. THANK-YOU
send to cahuillachick@dc.rr.com

Hey silver... I posted a large list of everything wrong so far.... Mostly lilttle problems. I didnt put the Tsb for the fuel tank in there or the 2 bolts missing on the connecting shield for the trans and engine. But its not a TSB, just something i found on my own. If i call FORD i probably can get a TSB with my name on it. lol.

haha.. I felt important for once in my life. Relaying your information to others is just as good posting it... sort of [sm=bs.gif][sm=crossbonesgif.gif]

Credit due Mr. Casper!!!!!

"Oh we are not worthy......":D

Again, thank you very much for the help and helping to create a very informative forum.

Just for the record........I did mention your name when forwarding the TSB, just in case someone comes after me, I can say "He Did it" over there....yah him!!!:eek:

later y'all, I do enjoy my Mustang!!!





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Yea.. your ok with me too.. If you need sbc dsl info let me know [sm=icon_quiet.gif]

Can someone e-mail the TSB to me. I filled up my gas tank for the first time and it took forever and ever>>>>
my e-mail is squaredr@idirect.com

Thanks in advance and a special thanks to Casper!

I've forwarded it to you.

I have only had the problem once. I still don't have the popping front end either. Just the rattle start up (sometimes) and skipping c.d. player (very seldom).

Casper can you send the TSB's for the Radio Version A and The Gas tank. terryharder@comcast.net I sure would appreciate it!
I have an early O5 GT, got lucky and got the very first one in the Dealer. I have the premium GT with 5 sp auto.

Mine has the suspension noises when turning slowly and sharply like parking, the heater/defroster issue and
It has had vapor canister errors ( Check gas cap msg) and engine check lite. They replaced the canister but still set errors. They ran a smoke test and found a valve not seated in the new canister ( thats what they said), but same issue. I'm thinking it may be the gas tank.

The gas tank is almost impossible to fill fast and has been that way since day one. When empty it's very hard to fill, even very slow. Of course the dealer has found no TSB on the Gas tank but really is trying. I talked to the tech who really is frustrated and wants to get this fixed since I almost camp out there with this issue. It's annoying as hell[:@] when the engine check lite comes on and I have no way of knowing for sure if its the same problem without bringing it in for service. Thanks in advance!:D

I filled up for the second time last night and this time I didn't have any issues. The gas pump was different than the one that gave me problems. This one just had a round stopper piece instead of the accordian-style hose.

I think I'll wait a few more fill-ups to see if the problem surfaces again before I take it into the dealer.

BradC;

It will fill well on the old style pumps but on the new vapor recovery pumps it has taken me 20 minutes to fill up.
I have 6000 on mine and aside from stupid little annoying problems it is by far the funnest / fastest / best looking car I have owned.

If anybody wants the fuel tank TSB, it's posted here http://losibk2.com/forum/TSB05-4-8.pdf

My first fillup of ~ 10 gallons didn't present any problems. Today, I was near empty, and it took me about 6 minutes to get $10 in it. I called my dealer, mentioned the TSB and the first person I talked to left me a voicemail stating she found it and it was exactly what I described to her. When I called back, I got a different person and he wants to "put it on a lift and see what he can find out". I hung up and got hold of the first woman I spoke with. She's going to speak with their supervisor about ordering the part and having it there before I come in for service. I'd like to be armed with the TSB to avoid repeat trips to the service department.

Thanks guys. I also found the following on another forum. Hope they don't mind me sharing it here:

Ford has just issued a special service message for some manual trans GT Mustangs. SSM 18453 includes any GT Mustangs with manual trans built BEFORE 2/1/05. The buzz/rattle coming from bellhousing area due to missing bolts allowing the separator shield between the engine and the trans to vibrate. The fix is to install two bolts into the open holes. Hope this helps.

Ford has just recently issued 2 TSBs for the 05 GT Mustangs. The first one is TSB 04-24-20 : The issue is limited slip axle chatter during low speed manuevers while turning. Its refers to replacing the clutch pack and using different gear lube. This TSB also covers other Ford models with limited slip rear diffs.

04-24-20

* LIMITED SLIP AXLE CHATTER, SHUDDER, BINDING SENSATION, OR VIBRATION DURING LOW SPEED TURNING MANEUVERS

Publication Date: November 30, 2004
FORD:
2002-2005 Crown Victoria, Mustang, Explorer
2003-2005 Expedition
2004-2005 F-150LINCOLN:
2002-2005 Town Car
2003-2005 NavigatorMERCURY:
2002-2005 Grand Marquis, Mountaineer



This article supersedes TSB 04-17-5 to update the model year and vehicle line coverage. ISSUE:

Some 2003-2005 Expedition/Navigator, 2004-2005 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 9.75" or 8.8" limited slip rear axle, and 2002-2005 Explorer 4dr, Mountaineer, Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car, and Mustang vehicles equipped with 8.8" limited slip rear axle, may exhibit a chatter, shudder, a binding sensation, or a vibration during low speed turns. On 4x4 vehicles, the sensation may appear to be originating from the front axle or the steering gear.

ACTION:

First verify the condition. On 4x4 trucks ensure that the vehicle is in 2WD, to isolate the rear axle. On all vehicles, turn the wheel fully right (or fully left) and then accelerate the vehicle. If the condition is verified to be in the rear axle, replace the limited slip clutch pack.

SERVICE PROCEDURE





http://www.fordtechservice.dealerco...035/tsbcaut.gifCAUTION:INSTRUCT THE CUSTOMER NOT TO TOW WITH THE VEHICLE FOR 500 MILES AFTER THIS REPAIR, TO ALLOW THE AXLE TO BREAK-IN PROPERLY.



Order and install the appropriate clutch pack, follow the installation instruction sheet included in the service kit.

* 3L1Z-4947-AB (9.75" limited slip)
* 3L1Z-4947-BC (8.8" limited slip)

ORIGINAL: Higgie


Sweet, I get a second dealer fill up ??? They filled it up when new, mostly to have a reason for the salesman to drive her. lol




Well, I stopped in Monday, and the dealership ordered my tank. I thought maybe they were new to this situation, but the service manager said they had done several, including V6 cars. What sort of ticks me off, is as I posted earlier, they gave me my first fill up. All 4 times I have filled it up, have been very dificult, and ended in gas splashing down the side of the car.

I am convinced the salesman had to know I had the bad tank, and sold the car to me anyway. Now I don't have my 03 truck trade to drive the day the Mustang will be in the shop. I will bring this to their attention, when they call for me to come in.

Thanks XP!

the TSB number is all I needed, the dealer got right on it and ordered a Gas Tank.
I won't get one for two weeks but I can live with it for now.

Now if they would just fix the suspension...

ORIGINAL: Blue05GT

Thanks XP!

the TSB number is all I needed, the dealer got right on it and ordered a Gas Tank.
I won't get one for two weeks but I can live with it for now.

Now if they would just fix the suspension...



Glad to help. My dealer called today, they are ordering my new tank too, although she did say that they were on "National backorder" which I've read here that someone else posted. I found out that holding the nozzle at the 12 o'clock position that it filled ok, so I'm ok with a delay.

Good luck,

J

If anyone has Progressive.com insurance. they have ALL TSB's listed for ALL cars.

Here is what came out on the Blue Oval News web site.

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/lane.05must.fueltank.031805.htm

Thanks 05GrayGT !

Great site for advisories!

Now I have proof that the CD skips!:D

15 minutes to fill up yesterday, can someone please e-mail me that tsb also, the link above would not work for me.

dhardman@knology.net

Thanks a bunch

XP I tried to get that tsb on the gas tank issue , but when I tried to open it, it said Unknown File Type, so I couldnt. Is there another version of this that I can open and print out?

When I fiil up I have gas shoot out of the hole. What should I do?
Stephenkatonet@msn.com

ORIGINAL: lostsoul

I was in the station for the first time filling my baby up($34bucks!!wtf) and while I was doing it the damn thing kept shutting off on me. over and over like the tank was full.. mean while a POS beat up honda with 5 inch tip filled up and was reving his crap at me.. and I was still pumping gas!!.. He beat me at the pump.. and waited for me..for a little.. I guess he wanted to see what my tail lights looked like at night. anyway, he left and.. I felt empty inside..... help [sm=boosign.gif]

not even a few months into your cars production and it already sucks sounds like a ford to me lol[sm=americanasmiley.gif]

Try this link http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/

Print the article and insist they replace the tank, if the dealer gives you any grief call Ford.


My dealer took my word for it, ordered the tank and found the TSB after my tank was installed.

Now , no check light issues or filling problems, life is good!

:)

Can somebody copy me on that TSB?

Thanks

kris4jan@charter.net

Its the cost of getting the latest and greatest.. but you wouldnt know.. you need to go to a used car forum. Your sad SS.. I blow you away on a post and you attack on another.. ohh boy.. When the 05 cobra comes out then you can put your SS back to stock and see how you do. [sm=bangbang.gif]

sure if it doesnt breakdown at the light. Ok lostsoul check your hazars to make sure they work on that fine piece of machinery, before you go for a drive to pizza hut

It only happen twice with me and I just went to another station and it was fine. But please send me the TSb

angelo627@yahoo.com

Thanks for the link. I asked my dealer about the gas tank problem and they had "no clue". I've printed off the advisory and taking it with me when I go back!
ORIGINAL: 05GrayGT

Here is what came out on the Blue Oval News web site.

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/lane.05must.fueltank.031805.htm

It's odd I have never had a problem filling mine, I hope it has the new tank already installed. I worry in 2 years I will start having problems and then they won't cover it:(

Is there any way to tell if the tank is the newer one? Or just by the fillling problems?

Could you also email me the TSB?Thanks

robert.felger@dm.af.mil

I had a "check fuel cap" (or something like that) come up on my message last week. I got out and checked, and my cap was just laying loose in there. I just figured I forgot to tighten it the night before when I filled up, but later that day I got the message a few more times, and nothing since then. It never occurred to me this might be because of the fuel tank issue. So while I may not have any problems filling up, I might need the tank replaced anyway.

Casper, or anyone else with it, would you please send me a copy to humphrey@galaxycable.net

Thanks

here is on forrough running

TSB
04-16-1 ENGINE MISFIRE OR ROUGH RUNNING - COIL ON PLUG (COP) IGNITION SYSTEMS - WDS COP KIT DIAGNOSTIC TIPS

FORD: 1996-1999 Taurus SHO
1998-2005 Crown Victoria, Mustang
2000 Taurus
2002-2005 Thunderbird
2003-2005 Focus
2004-2005 Taurus
1997-2005 E-Series, Expedition, F-150
1999-2005 F-Super Duty
2000-2005 Excursion, F-53
2001-2005 Escape
2002-2005 Explorer
LINCOLN: 1997-1998 Mark VIII
1998-2002 Continental
1998-2005 Town Car
2000-2005 LS
1998-2005 Navigator
2002-2003 Blackwood
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY: 1998-2005 Grand Marquis
2000 Sable
2004-2005 Sable
2002-2005 Mountaineer


This article supersedes TSB 03-14-04 to update the vehicle applications and model years.

ISSUE:
Approximately 50% of coil on plug (COP) coils returned for warranty do not have a problem.

ACTION:
The misfiring cylinder must be identified through Self-Test misfire codes or through WDS Power Balance. Rule out base engine problems, rule out fuel problems, and then look at ignition problems (be sure to rule out coil primary circuit issues). Once the above steps have been completed, and the issue is in the secondary part of the ignition system, the oscilloscope procedure outlined in this TSB can isolate the difference between a coil or spark plug problem.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

The optional WDS COP Kit available through Rotunda will provide more accurate diagnosis and help reduce replacement of non-defective parts. The Kit (418-FS528) can be purchased through 1-800-ROTUNDA.

The following material will detail the diagnostic steps on WDS to take the guesswork out of misfire diagnosis using the COP Kit. The following procedure is for cylinder specific misfires and not random misfires. Random misfires have a different root cause and are not covered by this TSB.

Misfire Definition: A misfiring cylinder is lacking power relative to the other cylinders. The causes for a cylinder specific misfire could be fuel, spark, or mechanical problems.

Perform a thorough visual inspection. If no visible concerns are found use the following WDS tools for misfire diagnosis:

Self-test (Check for codes first)
Power Balance (Identify the cylinder of concern)
Relative Compression (Rule out a possible mechanical issue)
Fuel (Make sure fuel injectors are not restricted)
Ignition (Make sure spark plugs and coils are working properly)
Oscilloscope (Detailed signal analysis)
NOTE: USE THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BUTTON IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE SCREEN FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE WDS TOOL BEING DISPLAYED.



If there is a self-test code identifying a particular cylinder then you just need to determine if it is a fuel, ignition, or possibly a mechanical problem. Proceed to Step 2 after running Relative Compression to rule out any mechanical issues. If there is no self-test code and the customer concern is a miss, proceed to Step 1.

Step 1: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Power Balance)

The cylinder specific miss has to be identified as shown in the example in Figure 2 in order to proceed with the remaining steps. If the miss does not occur at idle (in the bay), try to brake torque the engine. This extra loading should reproduce the miss in the bay. If the miss cannot be reproduced during brake torque, select Relative Compression under Powertrain on WDS before going on a road test to rule out mechanical problems. If Relative Compression shows a problem then the base engine issue must be serviced. If Relative Compression results are good (Figure 3), road test under as many different driving conditions as possible until the miss occurs on Power Balance. Some misses may be very intermittent so be patient and concentrate on steady load conditions. Once a cylinder dropout is identified proceed to Step 2.

Step 2: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Fuel System Test)

Run Fuel System Test on WDS to determine if there may be a fuel problem. After completing fuel Pressure/Leakdown test, select Injector flow to isolate a restricted injector as shown in Figure 4. If all the injectors are within specification, proceed to Step 3.

Step 3: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Ignition System Test)

Run Ignition System Test on WDS to determine if there is an ignition problem. Look at both duration (DUR) and kilovolts (KV) and look for values that standout from the rest as shown in Figure 5 and Figure 6.

NOTE: LIVE DISPLAY HAS TO AVERAGE IGNITION VALUES BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH DATA TO DISPLAY. MAKE A CAPTURE TO VIEW EACH ENGINE EVENT WITHOUT AVERAGING. THIS CAN BE HELPFUL WHEN THE PROBLEM IS INTERMITTENT. IF THE MISS IS EXTREMELY INTERMITTENT AND DOES NOT SHOW UP IN IGNITION, PROCEED TO STEP 4.



If either spark duration or peak KV on the Red Probe (Suspect Cylinder) are offset from the values displayed on the Black Probe (Known Good Cylinder) then the problem is in the ignition system. Rule out coil primary circuit issues before proceeding to coil secondary issues such as the spark plug, coil boot, or possibly the coil. Use the WDS Oscilloscope with the COP kit to determine if the issue is the coil or the spark plug.

Step 4: (Select Toolbox, then Oscilloscope)

WARNING: SECONDARY IGNITION VOLTAGES ARE VERY HIGH. KEEP HANDS AND TOOLS AWAY FROM THE END OF THE COIL THAT SUPPLIES THE SPARK.



SET-UP: With the engine off, pull the suspect coil from the cylinder well and turn it upside down so the coil cannot spark to any other surface as shown in Figure 1. Wrap a clean shop cloth around the hard shell of the coil to help keep the coil propped up and stable.


Figure 1 - Article 04-16-1



CAUTION: THE COIL BOOT CAN BE DAMAGED IF THE COIL SPARKS TO ANOTHER SURFACE DURING THIS PROCEDURE.



Keep the coil connected to the harness and leave the WDS COP clip attached to the coil. Route the coil clip wire and cable away from the coil being tested as well as other coils to avoid noise interference. Disconnect the injector of the cylinder being tested so raw fuel is not washing the cylinder. This is a stress test for the coil. The type of waveform displayed on the oscilloscope will show whether a coil or the plug is the problem if all previous steps have been followed. Keep hands and tools away from the end of the coil that supplies the spark.

COP Stress Test Procedure:

Go to the Oscilloscope Tool and select Channel 3, then select Auto, then select COP_STRESS_TEST_RED. This pre-configured setting will zoom-in on the peak firing of the coil being tested. Start the engine and be sure the coil is not sparking to any surface. If the coil is sparking to other surfaces, turn the engine off immediately and readjust the coil so it cannot spark to any other surface. Restart the engine and touch the Red Man icon to start the oscilloscope. All settings are pre-configured and no adjustments are necessary. Compare the waveform you get with the examples provided in Figures 7, 8, and 9). Figure 7 is a good waveform. If your waveform is similar to Figure 7 the coil is working correctly. Suspect the spark plug.

Figure 8 and Figure 9 are examples of problem coils. Replace the coil if the waveform is similar to Figures 8 or 9. The coil is causing the misfire when the peak firing appears like those shown in Figures 8 and 9. Notice the difference in the peak-firing signal when compared to the good peak signal in Figure 7.

Figure 9 shows a more dramatic fault in the peak failure.

Most root causes of misfire issues can be identified quickly using the steps outlined above. Some misfire issues can be difficult making the oscilloscope an important part of your diagnostic toolbox.


WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage




Figure 2 - Article 04

any one seen this one

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Article No.
04-9-6 BODY - PAINT - IRON PARTICLE REMOVAL - INDUSTRIAL FALLOUT - ACID RAIN NEUTRALIZATION

Publication Date: May 4, 2004

FORD: 2004-2005 CROWN VICTORIA, ESCORT ZX2, FOCUS, MUSTANG, TAURUS, THUNDERBIRD
2005 FIVE HUNDRED, FORD GT
2004-2005 ECONOLINE, ESCAPE, EXCURSION, EXPEDITION, EXPLORER SPORT TRAC, EXPLORER, F SUPER DUTY, FREESTAR, RANGER, F SERIES, F-650, F-750
LINCOLN: 2004-2005 LS, TOWN CAR, AVIATOR, NAVIGATOR
MERCURY: 2004-2005 GRAND MARQUIS, SABLE
2005 MONTEGO
2004-2005 MONTEREY, MOUNTAINEER
2005 MARINER


This article supersedes TSB 99-12-10 to update the vehicle lines, model years and service procedure.

ISSUE:
Ford Motor Company has released a private labeled material to be used for iron particle/acid rain service repairs.

ACTION:
To remove these particles/contaminates, use ONLY the following Motorcraft products and procedure. No polishing, compounding, color sanding, or repainting should be done before this procedure is performed. This procedure uses products that are acidic, alkaline, and neutral and must be properly mixed and used in their specific order. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

NOTE: ANY CHANGES TO THIS PROCEDURE WILL CAUSE AN INCOMPLETE OR UNSATISFACTORY REPAIR. THE USE OF ANY OTHER PRODUCT OR PROCEDURE MAY CAUSE DAMAGE TO ALUMINUM OR PAINTED SURFACES.



NOTE: THE PRODUCTS USED TO REMOVE SURFACE CONTAMINATION FROM PAINT ARE DESIGNED FOR VEHICLES, WHICH HAVE EXPERIENCED EXPOSURE FOR LESS THAN 120 DAYS. VEHICLES THAT EXCEED 120 DAYS OF EXPOSURE MAY REQUIRE THE PROCEDURE BE REPEATED TO RESOLVE THE CONCERN. ONCE THIS PROCEDURE IS COMPLETED, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO PERFORM POLISHING OR REFINISHING PROCEDURES AFTER VEHICLE INSPECTION.



IDENTIFICATION

Ferrous metal particles (hot iron dust) are generated by manufacturing facilities, rail shipments, etc. Moisture and heat combine with particles to create a chemical reaction. This reaction creates an acid, causing the iron to corrode and etch into the paint surface. Additionally, industrial fallout and acid rain generate corrosive compounds that fall on the vehicle's painted surfaces. When subjected to moisture and temperature, chemical compounds are created that etch the paint surface. To assist in identifying surface contamination, use a (Tandy-Radio Shack #63-851) 30x lighted magnifier.

CONCERN DESCRIPTION

Ferrous Metal

Light Colored Vehicles : Small orange stains the size of "mechanical pencil lead." The surface is rough to the touch.
Dark Colored Vehicles : Small white or silver appearing dots with a rainbow ring around the dot. The surface is rough to the touch.
Industrial Fallout

Water spots containing ferrous metal are present and the surface is rough to the touch.
Acid Rain/Etching

Surface will exhibit irregular discolored spotting.
Dark colored vehicles may exhibit cloudy or graying spots where the acid has begun to etch the paint.
Extreme cases of etching may be felt.
DECONTAMINATION PROCEDURE

Use Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer, Alkaline Neutralizer, and Detail Wash to decontaminate and neutralize the paint surface. Perform the procedure only on vehicle when the paint surface temperature is cool. Follow the step-by-step procedure listed below to perform this service operation.

Rinse off dust, dirt, and debris with cold water. Flush liberally.
Prepare Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer by mixing eight (8) parts of water to one (1) part Acid Neutralizer in a bucket.
Wear gloves and use a clean wash mitt to apply mixture of Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer to the entire vehicle starting at the top of the vehicle working toward the side. Work fast and keep the vehicle wet with solution, lightly agitating and moving quickly around the vehicle repeatedly for five to seven (5-7) minutes. For vehicles with severe conditions, work the product for up to eight (8) minutes.
NOTE: USE A SEPARATE MITT FOR EACH PRODUCT. DO NOT INTERMIX MITTS.



Rinse the vehicle thoroughly with cold water to remove Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer.
Dry only the horizontal surfaces of the vehicle at this time. Do not dry glass.
NOTE: MOTORCRAFT ALKALINE NEUTRALIZER IS READY TO USE. DO NOT MIX WITH WATER. DO NOT SPRAY MOTORCRAFT ALKALINE NEUTRALIZER ON THE PAINTED SURFACE.



Pour the Alkaline Neutralizer into a dispenser (squirt bottle). Squirt the neutralizer directly onto a clean wash mitt. Apply the product to the vehicle, keeping the areas wet and lightly agitated for five to seven (5-7) minutes. For vehicles with severe conditions, work the product for up to eight (8) minutes.
Rinse the vehicle thoroughly with cold water.
Prepare Motorcraft Detail Wash by mixing 29.5 mL (1 ounce) of Detail Wash to 3.7 L (1 gallon) of water.
Shampoo the vehicle with Motorcraft Detail Wash using a clean wash mitt. Rinse the vehicle with cold water and dry the vehicle completely.
SURFACE CORRECTION FOLLOWING DECONTAMINATION/NEUTRALIZATION

Visually inspect paint surface for evidence of removal of ferrous metal particles and water spots.
NOTE: ACID RAIN DISCOLORING OR ETCHING WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES DEPENDENT ON DEPTH OF DAMAGE; POLISHING, BUFFING, COLOR SANDING, OR IN EXTREME CASES, REFINISHING.



DO NOT intermix buffing products . Use only one manufacturer's products.
Always follow the manufacturer's product usage sequence. Use the appropriate recommended pad at recommended buffing speeds as specified by the product manufacturer.
NOTE: WHEN ATTEMPTING TO AFFECT A REPAIR BY BUFFING, POLISHING, OR COLOR SANDING, DO NOT REMOVE AN EXCESS OF 0.3 MIL OF PAINT FILM OR REFINISHING WILL BE REQUIRED. USE OF AN ELECTRONIC MIL GAUGE (ROTUNDA 164-R4025) IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO INSURE CONTROL OF PAINT FILM REMOVAL.



Use a dual action sander with a Velcro backing plate and foam pad to fine polish and remove any swirls created by a rotary buffer or pad.
Use an alcohol and water mixture (1 to 1 ratio) to clean the buffed areas and to verify removal of scratches and swirls before application of the final polish.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
ZC-1-A Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer
ZC-2-A Motorcraft Alkaline Neutralizer
ZC-3-A Motorcraft Detail Wash


OTHER APPLICABLE ARTICLES:
NONE

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage


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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.

Copyright © 2004 Ford Motor Company

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TSB
04-26-22 MALFUNCTION INDICATOR LAMP (MIL) ILLUMINATED WITH MULTIPLE DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) P035X AND NO DRIVEABILITY SYMPTOMS - 4.6L 3V ENGINE

Publication Date: December 23, 2004

FORD: 2005 Mustang


ISSUE:
Some 2005 Mustang vehicles equipped with a 4.6L 3-valve engine, may exhibit the MIL illuminated with multiple ignition coil related DTCs (P035X) and no driveability symptoms. The DTCs are typically set during deceleration.

ACTION:
Do not replace ignition components for this condition. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using WDS release B34.10, or B35.1 and higher. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com.

NOTE: THIS NEW CALIBRATION IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE B35 CD.




WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
042622A 2005 Mustang 4.6L 3V: Check Diagnostic Trouble Codes And Reprogram Powertrain Control Module 0.4 Hr.

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
RECALEM 04

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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.

Copyright © 2004 Ford Motor Company

i have had it only happen once that i couldnt get gas..ends up it was the gas station has the pumps set to sensitive and cuts out all the time...id try a few different gas stations..and dont put that cheapo gas in ur car from places like "fred's gas" because my 1995 mustang used to run like hell when i used it once

when i had my stang up on the rack its pretty simple to see the prob. the tanks are two saddle tanks on either side of the drive shaft and the filler is about 1 inch in dia.

here is a pic before i painted all the darn rust under the car

local://upfiles/14019/6503FC8927D0464C9F2B3A954AF9EE43.jpg

I know this is a little off of subject.. BUT... Looking at the great picture AFixer provided to show the gas filler tube, I noticed the twin Cats and exhaust pipes leading back from the engine then merging into a single pipe. Makes me wonder why Ford didn't go ahead and complete the duel pipes all the way back! Sure would have looked better, sounded better, and offered some perfomance value.

car manu, never tell ya any tsb unless its safety related

if they did , every car would be in the shop every day

only like seat belts etc is there a recall

have fun

Can you please send me that tsb on the tanks, I have tried to open the link provided, but it didn't work, thx
showam1@cox.net

dajohu;

I don't have the TSB's but this link will get the dealer to dig deeper. My gas tank had so much pressure it kept popping the evaporator check valve out which set the error you are getting. Since the tank was replaced It will overflow a little when I fill it fast, so I just fill it slower as it gets near full.

Good luck

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/index.html

I can say that you guys dont need the TSB at all.. the dealers know the issue.. I just told them over the phone and brought it in.. I dont think they even check.. should be done soon.. cant wait. I also asked them about the message center.. they know nothing about it(sad) also told me not to put a sunroof in because they have leaks still on a few. If it.. I dont need message center to tell me I'm doing over 120mph and I dont need the wind blowing in the cock pit at the speed anyway :D

Could you please forward me that information regarding teh Gas tanks. What does TSB stand for???

Thanks

Brian insulthermbrian@aol.com

I'm having this problem too, can someone email me a copy of the TSB to determined666@yahoo.com

Thanks.

I took the tsb's for both the gas tank and radio to the dealer. I now have both replacement parts on order. I can't say thank you enough for all the helpful posts. It sure helped me out with the dealership.[sm=happy046.gif]

Technical Service Bulletin

Here are the links at BlueOval for the gas tank:

Mustang 05 Gas Tank advisory (http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/lane.05must.fueltank.031805.htm)

and the cd player:

Shaker CD Player advisory (http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/cdplayer.18mar05.htm)

I hope this helps you!


ORIGINAL: Exilenla

Could you please forward me that information regarding teh Gas tanks. What does TSB stand for???

Thanks

Brian insulthermbrian@aol.com

Wow. i havent been to these 2005 Mustang forusm in the longest time... Sorry to anyone who didnt get the TSb... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IT PM ME OR EMAIL ME.. I have every 05 TSB up to date with the newest being the 2nd 3rd gear decel grind and suspension clunking popping... Sorry to everyone again for not reading these posts..

TSB... Technical Service bulliten.... Its something FORD puts out to let US technicians know what to look for when something is wrong with a FORD vechicle. Its not in anyway intended for the public. But i thought it shold be :D So i share it with you all.

Try this link http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Ford/1140422400000_1141200000000_06-3-13/13.html

HD..

GREAT reference... THANKS!

Ah the power of Google, here is the complete list (not just stangs) , most recent i gather http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Ford/index-issue.html

Nothing like digging up DEAD threads. I did a double take when I saw the date.

ORIGINAL: 1QuickShortBus

Nothing like digging up DEAD threads. I did a double take when I saw the date.


Beat me to it. Was going to ask how much dust they had to knock off this thread before they replied.

Yea well...

Sometimes you have to dig up old threads, because people keep bringing up the same questions.

I find it funny, that Ford is STILL having the gas fill problems even after their fixes.

and the obvious just seems to avoid them.... put a reasonable freaking filler tube in there!

I love my Ford Mustang.. but sometimes Ford being "cheap" drives me nuts!