RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks?
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/13/2005 10:17:32 PM
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dajohu
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It's odd I have never had a problem filling mine, I hope it has the new tank already installed. I worry in 2 years I will start having problems and then they won't cover it
Is there any way to tell if the tank is the newer one? Or just by the fillling problems?
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 10:46:44 AM
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rfelger
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Could you also email me the TSB?Thanks
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 11:18:44 AM
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dajohu
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I had a "check fuel cap" (or something like that) come up on my message last week. I got out and checked, and my cap was just laying loose in there. I just figured I forgot to tighten it the night before when I filled up, but later that day I got the message a few more times, and nothing since then. It never occurred to me this might be because of the fuel tank issue. So while I may not have any problems filling up, I might need the tank replaced anyway.
Casper, or anyone else with it, would you please send me a copy to humphrey@galaxycable.net
Thanks
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 11:24:06 AM
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here is on forrough running
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04-16-1 ENGINE MISFIRE OR ROUGH RUNNING - COIL ON PLUG (COP) IGNITION SYSTEMS - WDS COP KIT DIAGNOSTIC TIPS
FORD: 1996-1999 Taurus SHO
1998-2005 Crown Victoria, Mustang
2000 Taurus
2002-2005 Thunderbird
2003-2005 Focus
2004-2005 Taurus
1997-2005 E-Series, Expedition, F-150
1999-2005 F-Super Duty
2000-2005 Excursion, F-53
2001-2005 Escape
2002-2005 Explorer
LINCOLN: 1997-1998 Mark VIII
1998-2002 Continental
1998-2005 Town Car
2000-2005 LS
1998-2005 Navigator
2002-2003 Blackwood
2003-2005 Aviator
MERCURY: 1998-2005 Grand Marquis
2000 Sable
2004-2005 Sable
2002-2005 Mountaineer
This article supersedes TSB 03-14-04 to update the vehicle applications and model years.
ISSUE:
Approximately 50% of coil on plug (COP) coils returned for warranty do not have a problem.
ACTION:
The misfiring cylinder must be identified through Self-Test misfire codes or through WDS Power Balance. Rule out base engine problems, rule out fuel problems, and then look at ignition problems (be sure to rule out coil primary circuit issues). Once the above steps have been completed, and the issue is in the secondary part of the ignition system, the oscilloscope procedure outlined in this TSB can isolate the difference between a coil or spark plug problem.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
The optional WDS COP Kit available through Rotunda will provide more accurate diagnosis and help reduce replacement of non-defective parts. The Kit (418-FS528) can be purchased through 1-800-ROTUNDA.
The following material will detail the diagnostic steps on WDS to take the guesswork out of misfire diagnosis using the COP Kit. The following procedure is for cylinder specific misfires and not random misfires. Random misfires have a different root cause and are not covered by this TSB.
Misfire Definition: A misfiring cylinder is lacking power relative to the other cylinders. The causes for a cylinder specific misfire could be fuel, spark, or mechanical problems.
Perform a thorough visual inspection. If no visible concerns are found use the following WDS tools for misfire diagnosis:
Self-test (Check for codes first)
Power Balance (Identify the cylinder of concern)
Relative Compression (Rule out a possible mechanical issue)
Fuel (Make sure fuel injectors are not restricted)
Ignition (Make sure spark plugs and coils are working properly)
Oscilloscope (Detailed signal analysis)
NOTE: USE THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BUTTON IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE SCREEN FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE WDS TOOL BEING DISPLAYED.
If there is a self-test code identifying a particular cylinder then you just need to determine if it is a fuel, ignition, or possibly a mechanical problem. Proceed to Step 2 after running Relative Compression to rule out any mechanical issues. If there is no self-test code and the customer concern is a miss, proceed to Step 1.
Step 1: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Power Balance)
The cylinder specific miss has to be identified as shown in the example in Figure 2 in order to proceed with the remaining steps. If the miss does not occur at idle (in the bay), try to brake torque the engine. This extra loading should reproduce the miss in the bay. If the miss cannot be reproduced during brake torque, select Relative Compression under Powertrain on WDS before going on a road test to rule out mechanical problems. If Relative Compression shows a problem then the base engine issue must be serviced. If Relative Compression results are good (Figure 3), road test under as many different driving conditions as possible until the miss occurs on Power Balance. Some misses may be very intermittent so be patient and concentrate on steady load conditions. Once a cylinder dropout is identified proceed to Step 2.
Step 2: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Fuel System Test)
Run Fuel System Test on WDS to determine if there may be a fuel problem. After completing fuel Pressure/Leakdown test, select Injector flow to isolate a restricted injector as shown in Figure 4. If all the injectors are within specification, proceed to Step 3.
Step 3: (Select Toolbox Icon, then Powertrain, then Ignition System Test)
Run Ignition System Test on WDS to determine if there is an ignition problem. Look at both duration (DUR) and kilovolts (KV) and look for values that standout from the rest as shown in Figure 5 and Figure 6.
NOTE: LIVE DISPLAY HAS TO AVERAGE IGNITION VALUES BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH DATA TO DISPLAY. MAKE A CAPTURE TO VIEW EACH ENGINE EVENT WITHOUT AVERAGING. THIS CAN BE HELPFUL WHEN THE PROBLEM IS INTERMITTENT. IF THE MISS IS EXTREMELY INTERMITTENT AND DOES NOT SHOW UP IN IGNITION, PROCEED TO STEP 4.
If either spark duration or peak KV on the Red Probe (Suspect Cylinder) are offset from the values displayed on the Black Probe (Known Good Cylinder) then the problem is in the ignition system. Rule out coil primary circuit issues before proceeding to coil secondary issues such as the spark plug, coil boot, or possibly the coil. Use the WDS Oscilloscope with the COP kit to determine if the issue is the coil or the spark plug.
Step 4: (Select Toolbox, then Oscilloscope)
WARNING: SECONDARY IGNITION VOLTAGES ARE VERY HIGH. KEEP HANDS AND TOOLS AWAY FROM THE END OF THE COIL THAT SUPPLIES THE SPARK.
SET-UP: With the engine off, pull the suspect coil from the cylinder well and turn it upside down so the coil cannot spark to any other surface as shown in Figure 1. Wrap a clean shop cloth around the hard shell of the coil to help keep the coil propped up and stable.
Figure 1 - Article 04-16-1
CAUTION: THE COIL BOOT CAN BE DAMAGED IF THE COIL SPARKS TO ANOTHER SURFACE DURING THIS PROCEDURE.
Keep the coil connected to the harness and leave the WDS COP clip attached to the coil. Route the coil clip wire and cable away from the coil being tested as well as other coils to avoid noise interference. Disconnect the injector of the cylinder being tested so raw fuel is not washing the cylinder. This is a stress test for the coil. The type of waveform displayed on the oscilloscope will show whether a coil or the plug is the problem if all previous steps have been followed. Keep hands and tools away from the end of the coil that supplies the spark.
COP Stress Test Procedure:
Go to the Oscilloscope Tool and select Channel 3, then select Auto, then select COP_STRESS_TEST_RED. This pre-configured setting will zoom-in on the peak firing of the coil being tested. Start the engine and be sure the coil is not sparking to any surface. If the coil is sparking to other surfaces, turn the engine off immediately and readjust the coil so it cannot spark to any other surface. Restart the engine and touch the Red Man icon to start the oscilloscope. All settings are pre-configured and no adjustments are necessary. Compare the waveform you get with the examples provided in Figures 7, 8, and 9). Figure 7 is a good waveform. If your waveform is similar to Figure 7 the coil is working correctly. Suspect the spark plug.
Figure 8 and Figure 9 are examples of problem coils. Replace the coil if the waveform is similar to Figures 8 or 9. The coil is causing the misfire when the peak firing appears like those shown in Figures 8 and 9. Notice the difference in the peak-firing signal when compared to the good peak signal in Figure 7.
Figure 9 shows a more dramatic fault in the peak failure.
Most root causes of misfire issues can be identified quickly using the steps outlined above. Some misfire issues can be difficult making the oscilloscope an important part of your diagnostic toolbox.
WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
Figure 2 - Article 04
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 11:25:30 AM
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afixer
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any one seen this one
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Article No.
04-9-6 BODY - PAINT - IRON PARTICLE REMOVAL - INDUSTRIAL FALLOUT - ACID RAIN NEUTRALIZATION
Publication Date: May 4, 2004
FORD: 2004-2005 CROWN VICTORIA, ESCORT ZX2, FOCUS, MUSTANG, TAURUS, THUNDERBIRD
2005 FIVE HUNDRED, FORD GT
2004-2005 ECONOLINE, ESCAPE, EXCURSION, EXPEDITION, EXPLORER SPORT TRAC, EXPLORER, F SUPER DUTY, FREESTAR, RANGER, F SERIES, F-650, F-750
LINCOLN: 2004-2005 LS, TOWN CAR, AVIATOR, NAVIGATOR
MERCURY: 2004-2005 GRAND MARQUIS, SABLE
2005 MONTEGO
2004-2005 MONTEREY, MOUNTAINEER
2005 MARINER
This article supersedes TSB 99-12-10 to update the vehicle lines, model years and service procedure.
ISSUE:
Ford Motor Company has released a private labeled material to be used for iron particle/acid rain service repairs.
ACTION:
To remove these particles/contaminates, use ONLY the following Motorcraft products and procedure. No polishing, compounding, color sanding, or repainting should be done before this procedure is performed. This procedure uses products that are acidic, alkaline, and neutral and must be properly mixed and used in their specific order. Refer to the following Service Procedure for details.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
NOTE: ANY CHANGES TO THIS PROCEDURE WILL CAUSE AN INCOMPLETE OR UNSATISFACTORY REPAIR. THE USE OF ANY OTHER PRODUCT OR PROCEDURE MAY CAUSE DAMAGE TO ALUMINUM OR PAINTED SURFACES.
NOTE: THE PRODUCTS USED TO REMOVE SURFACE CONTAMINATION FROM PAINT ARE DESIGNED FOR VEHICLES, WHICH HAVE EXPERIENCED EXPOSURE FOR LESS THAN 120 DAYS. VEHICLES THAT EXCEED 120 DAYS OF EXPOSURE MAY REQUIRE THE PROCEDURE BE REPEATED TO RESOLVE THE CONCERN. ONCE THIS PROCEDURE IS COMPLETED, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO PERFORM POLISHING OR REFINISHING PROCEDURES AFTER VEHICLE INSPECTION.
IDENTIFICATION
Ferrous metal particles (hot iron dust) are generated by manufacturing facilities, rail shipments, etc. Moisture and heat combine with particles to create a chemical reaction. This reaction creates an acid, causing the iron to corrode and etch into the paint surface. Additionally, industrial fallout and acid rain generate corrosive compounds that fall on the vehicle's painted surfaces. When subjected to moisture and temperature, chemical compounds are created that etch the paint surface. To assist in identifying surface contamination, use a (Tandy-Radio Shack #63-851) 30x lighted magnifier.
CONCERN DESCRIPTION
Ferrous Metal
Light Colored Vehicles : Small orange stains the size of "mechanical pencil lead." The surface is rough to the touch.
Dark Colored Vehicles : Small white or silver appearing dots with a rainbow ring around the dot. The surface is rough to the touch.
Industrial Fallout
Water spots containing ferrous metal are present and the surface is rough to the touch.
Acid Rain/Etching
Surface will exhibit irregular discolored spotting.
Dark colored vehicles may exhibit cloudy or graying spots where the acid has begun to etch the paint.
Extreme cases of etching may be felt.
DECONTAMINATION PROCEDURE
Use Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer, Alkaline Neutralizer, and Detail Wash to decontaminate and neutralize the paint surface. Perform the procedure only on vehicle when the paint surface temperature is cool. Follow the step-by-step procedure listed below to perform this service operation.
Rinse off dust, dirt, and debris with cold water. Flush liberally.
Prepare Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer by mixing eight (8) parts of water to one (1) part Acid Neutralizer in a bucket.
Wear gloves and use a clean wash mitt to apply mixture of Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer to the entire vehicle starting at the top of the vehicle working toward the side. Work fast and keep the vehicle wet with solution, lightly agitating and moving quickly around the vehicle repeatedly for five to seven (5-7) minutes. For vehicles with severe conditions, work the product for up to eight (8) minutes.
NOTE: USE A SEPARATE MITT FOR EACH PRODUCT. DO NOT INTERMIX MITTS.
Rinse the vehicle thoroughly with cold water to remove Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer.
Dry only the horizontal surfaces of the vehicle at this time. Do not dry glass.
NOTE: MOTORCRAFT ALKALINE NEUTRALIZER IS READY TO USE. DO NOT MIX WITH WATER. DO NOT SPRAY MOTORCRAFT ALKALINE NEUTRALIZER ON THE PAINTED SURFACE.
Pour the Alkaline Neutralizer into a dispenser (squirt bottle). Squirt the neutralizer directly onto a clean wash mitt. Apply the product to the vehicle, keeping the areas wet and lightly agitated for five to seven (5-7) minutes. For vehicles with severe conditions, work the product for up to eight (8) minutes.
Rinse the vehicle thoroughly with cold water.
Prepare Motorcraft Detail Wash by mixing 29.5 mL (1 ounce) of Detail Wash to 3.7 L (1 gallon) of water.
Shampoo the vehicle with Motorcraft Detail Wash using a clean wash mitt. Rinse the vehicle with cold water and dry the vehicle completely.
SURFACE CORRECTION FOLLOWING DECONTAMINATION/NEUTRALIZATION
Visually inspect paint surface for evidence of removal of ferrous metal particles and water spots.
NOTE: ACID RAIN DISCOLORING OR ETCHING WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES DEPENDENT ON DEPTH OF DAMAGE; POLISHING, BUFFING, COLOR SANDING, OR IN EXTREME CASES, REFINISHING.
DO NOT intermix buffing products . Use only one manufacturer's products.
Always follow the manufacturer's product usage sequence. Use the appropriate recommended pad at recommended buffing speeds as specified by the product manufacturer.
NOTE: WHEN ATTEMPTING TO AFFECT A REPAIR BY BUFFING, POLISHING, OR COLOR SANDING, DO NOT REMOVE AN EXCESS OF 0.3 MIL OF PAINT FILM OR REFINISHING WILL BE REQUIRED. USE OF AN ELECTRONIC MIL GAUGE (ROTUNDA 164-R4025) IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO INSURE CONTROL OF PAINT FILM REMOVAL.
Use a dual action sander with a Velcro backing plate and foam pad to fine polish and remove any swirls created by a rotary buffer or pad.
Use an alcohol and water mixture (1 to 1 ratio) to clean the buffed areas and to verify removal of scratches and swirls before application of the final polish.
PART NUMBER PART NAME
ZC-1-A Motorcraft Acid Neutralizer
ZC-2-A Motorcraft Alkaline Neutralizer
ZC-3-A Motorcraft Detail Wash
OTHER APPLICABLE ARTICLES:
NONE
WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
Copyright © 2004 Ford Motor Company
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 11:37:23 AM
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ChristopherCamel
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i have had it only happen once that i couldnt get gas..ends up it was the gas station has the pumps set to sensitive and cuts out all the time...id try a few different gas stations..and dont put that cheapo gas in ur car from places like "fred's gas" because my 1995 mustang used to run like hell when i used it once
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 12:02:56 PM
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Professor Wizard
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I know this is a little off of subject.. BUT... Looking at the great picture AFixer provided to show the gas filler tube, I noticed the twin Cats and exhaust pipes leading back from the engine then merging into a single pipe. Makes me wonder why Ford didn't go ahead and complete the duel pipes all the way back! Sure would have looked better, sounded better, and offered some perfomance value.
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RE: When are they going to do a recall for the gas tanks? - 4/14/2005 12:42:25 PM
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luv_the_stang
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car manu, never tell ya any tsb unless its safety related
if they did , every car would be in the shop every day
only like seat belts etc is there a recall
have fun
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