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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 9:34:00 PM   
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Dumbquestion but whats a NVH and is it safe to keep off?


Good question, I was wondering the same thing. Hopefully someone posts what NVH is for?

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 9:52:25 PM   
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NVH= noise, vibration, and harmonics!  and it is safe to remove it! (if you have it on your axle).

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 9:59:34 PM   
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I am curious about something.
When you installed the relocation brackets wouldn't that make the length where the LCA fit longer?
So how would you get the new LCA to fight right?
I have adjustabled LCAs to install, so if I make them the same length as the orginals how do you fight them in place?

The NVH noise blocks that you removed, how do you know that is what they are for?
I haven't looks to see if my car has them, I am planning on doing some of this work this weekend and I am wondering about any adverse effects from removing them.

Guys, this install was not done on my car, but on a friend's 06 GT, hardtop, Auto.

The factory length LCA's will work on either relo-bracket hole.  I know it seems like it shouldn't, but it does.
Your adjustable LCA's can be used to adjust the pinion angle.

I have no idea why his 06 (and not mine or any other 06/07 I've seen) had those big heavy blocks bolted to the axle.  Do they have a purpose?  I'm sure they do.  Can the car function without them?  He took them off and it runs fine.  I don't have them, and mine runs fine.

My best guess is that they were placed there for NVH (Noise Vibration Harshness).  This is/was part of Ford's project to get rid of NVH in the powertrain and drivetrain based on customer feedback.  The 2-piece driveshaft was designed because of this project.

But the question why some 06's came with and without those axle blocks are a mystery to me (and probably Ford ). 

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 10:10:00 PM   
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Quick question: where did you find guidance on using the upper or lower hole in the LCA relocation bracket?  You state "Note on which hole to use; If at stock ride height or up to an inch drop (like the Steeda Ultralites), use the TOP hole. If you have more of an aggressive drop, you may want to consider using the LOWER hole. "  I have the Steeda springs with 1" drop, but used the lower hole of the LCA.  What's the downside, if any?

I don't thing there's a downside if any.  Any lowered vehicle can benefit from the use of relo-brackets.

The statement I made is just from what I've gathered here and there.  A quick call to BMR tech should answer any questions you may have. 

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 11:03:44 PM   
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why do you have to remove the panhard bar bolt?

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/15/2007 11:58:13 PM   
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why do you have to remove the panhard bar bolt?
It looks like the Panhard bolt is used for the reloc bracket

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/16/2007 12:20:29 AM   
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Great thanks for the info Bill.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 11/16/2007 7:42:12 AM   
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why do you have to remove the panhard bar bolt?
It looks like the Panhard bolt is used for the reloc bracket

Correct, only on the Drivers side bracket.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 12:50:18 PM   
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Ok I'm going to be installing my LCA's today so I was going over what I had to do.  First step says

With the car on level ground, mark the rear shock relative to the protective outer sleeve.
 
How do you get around the tire to make this mark?  Am I missing something simple.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 1:27:09 PM   
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Is that step really necessary (especially for non-adjustable control arms)? After all, they swivel and change angles at the bushings when driving anyway.

I didn't do it and it wasn't in the BMR instructions: http://www.bmrfabrication.com/INSTALL/TCA019_22_27.pdf


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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 1:30:06 PM   
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I didn't do it and mine are fine.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 2:07:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sevenleaf

Ok I'm going to be installing my LCA's today so I was going over what I had to do.  First step says

With the car on level ground, mark the rear shock relative to the protective outer sleeve.
 
How do you get around the tire to make this mark?  Am I missing something simple.

(In regards to installing non-adjustable LCA's)  This procedure is outlined in the Ford Service Manual... and the stock LCA's are non-adjustable too.

I cannot tell you from an engineering point why the rear end has to be under static load, but I have read elsewhere that it must be torqued in this static state or else it may start squeaking (or something like that).

To mark the shock, lay on your belly behind the tire and reach across with a piece of tape or marker.  This was the easy part.  If too difficult (no offense), you may want to consider having them professionally installed.


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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 2:26:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sevenleaf

Ok I'm going to be installing my LCA's today so I was going over what I had to do.  First step says

With the car on level ground, mark the rear shock relative to the protective outer sleeve.
 
How do you get around the tire to make this mark?  Am I missing something simple.

(In regards to installing non-adjustable LCA's)  This procedure is outlined in the Ford Service Manual... and the stock LCA's are non-adjustable too.

I cannot tell you from an engineering point why the rear end has to be under static load, but I have read elsewhere that it must be torqued in this static state or else it may start squeaking (or something like that).

To mark the shock, lay on your belly behind the tire and reach across with a piece of tape or marker.  This was the easy part.  If too difficult (no offense), you may want to consider having them professionally installed.



I guess there might be a problem if you have the vehicle lifted and the axle hanging freely. BMR's step#1 says to lift the vehicle and support by the axle, so that would give you a static load (supported by the axle).

Does the Ford service manual say to mark the rear shocks? I don't understand why they have you do that either. Unless it's because in many shops the car would be on a lift and the free hanging axle would have to be raised. In which case the marks would get it close to ride height.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 3:20:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sevenleaf

Ok I'm going to be installing my LCA's today so I was going over what I had to do.  First step says

With the car on level ground, mark the rear shock relative to the protective outer sleeve.
 
How do you get around the tire to make this mark?  Am I missing something simple.

(In regards to installing non-adjustable LCA's)  This procedure is outlined in the Ford Service Manual... and the stock LCA's are non-adjustable too.

I cannot tell you from an engineering point why the rear end has to be under static load, but I have read elsewhere that it must be torqued in this static state or else it may start squeaking (or something like that).

To mark the shock, lay on your belly behind the tire and reach across with a piece of tape or marker.  This was the easy part.  If too difficult (no offense), you may want to consider having them professionally installed.



Hah, I imagine this is going to be easier then installing my supercharger, upgrading my pumps to the dual gt pumps or my latest installing break pads! 

Anywho I was just wondering if you go by feeling I'm sorry i can't fit under my car.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 4:52:22 PM   
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I guess there might be a problem if you have the vehicle lifted and the axle hanging freely. BMR's step#1 says to lift the vehicle and support by the axle, so that would give you a static load (supported by the axle).

Does the Ford service manual say to mark the rear shocks? I don't understand why they have you do that either. Unless it's because in many shops the car would be on a lift and the free hanging axle would have to be raised. In which case the marks would get it close to ride height.

Yes, the Manual does instruct you to mark the shock location at static for the exact reason you stated.




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Hah, I imagine this is going to be easier then installing my supercharger, upgrading my pumps to the dual gt pumps or my latest installing break pads! 

Anywho I was just wondering if you go by feeling I'm sorry i can't fit under my car.

Sorry seven, I really meant no offense. 

I can assure you it's way easier than installing you SC. 

If you're planning on setting the rear down on some ramps, you can skip the marking step as it will be in the static position.

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RE: BMR Lower Control Arm (LCA) and Relocation Bracket ... - 1/25/2008 6:59:05 PM   
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Thanks for the help Tacobill, installed in under 2 hours not so bad I think.   Took it for a test drive and WOW.  You really notice the car pull together in the rear end.   No sqeeks as of yet.

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