Damn man. My car is just turning 80,000 on a 2000 model. If my engine started doing that, i would be really really really pissed.
Trust me mine had 78k when the problem started.. I WAS LIVID... The kicker is LOTS AND LOTS of people seem to have the same problem.. ALL on the passenger side.... Can you say faulty parts...... Some people had it happen during the break-in period... I really wish Ford would stand behind thier products, are they turning into GM or what??
Ok.. Here is the deal, FORD merged the part numbers for the timing chain guides on the 99-04 Mustang GT's with the 4.6L SOHC. Unfortunately they are using the replacements from the 99-EARLY 2000 GT guides as the part number. That part number will NOT bolt up to the LATE 2000-2004 GT's.. This poses a problem to people like me who have engines/cars that were built late in the production run. Ford was UNABLE to get me the guides I needed as they have mistakenly assumed all the 4.6L used the same guides and mounting points, which they don't. They made a note of my complaint and hopefully they will re-visit the part #'s and application.
I found the parts that fit the late 2000-2004 models at AUTOZONE.
According to the Autozone Part #
716436 716437 These are the VDP part #'s.
Hope this helps anyone else doing this service. It has been a pain in the ass that the parts I ordered didn't fit the car.....
I had pics of my front cover when it was off but I can't find them now. A good way to tell is just count the number of bolts on your valve covers. That will tell you if you have a windsor or romeo. I think the romeos have the same number for both sides and I think it's 11 and the windsors have a different number of bolts per side. Also the water pump pullies are different. The windsors are pushed out in the center where the romeos are in.
Ok.. Here is the deal, FORD merged the part numbers for the timing chain guides on the 99-04 Mustang GT's with the 4.6L SOHC. Unfortunately they are using the replacements from the 99-EARLY 2000 GT guides as the part number. That part number will NOT bolt up to the LATE 2000-2004 GT's.. This poses a problem to people like me who have engines/cars that were built late in the production run. Ford was UNABLE to get me the guides I needed as they have mistakenly assumed all the 4.6L used the same guides and mounting points, which they don't. They made a note of my complaint and hopefully they will re-visit the part #'s and application.
I found the parts that fit the late 2000-2004 models at AUTOZONE.
According to the Autozone Part #
716436 716437 These are the VDP part #'s.
Hope this helps anyone else doing this service. It has been a pain in the ass that the parts I ordered didn't fit the car.....
Did you actually try to bolt them up? Im using all of the timing equipment from my 99 on an 03 shortblock with no issues at all.
The pink scooter and the Haynes manual scare me the most. I assume the scooter is your daughter's or sister's, but the book?
The scooter was his mode of transportation during the work and his inspiration to get it done quickly/correctly the first time!
Good write up though. I wonder if the V6 models suffer from the same thing as a lot of them have ticking (not slapping like that though). Since the chains are vertical, I wonder if this scenario would even be possible.
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Hey, did you get this up and running yet? Just an FYI here, I just noticed this... You didn't mention holding the camshafts in place while you removed the tensioners and gudes in your original post. The camshafts will rotate, causing the gears to "jump teeth" in the chains when you remove the tensioners. It happens quickly and if you're not paying attention you won't even notice it. Visually everything will look fine, but your camshaft timing will be off which could be disasterous. If the camshafts rotate you need to re-time them.
Oh, and if you have metal and plastic pieces floating around in your oil there's a good chance they're stuck in the pick up tube screen as well, which can restirict oil flow. I know when my rod bearings went, my pick up tube screen was a mess with shavings (and it had a huge chunk of my radiator cap stuck in it, don't ask, I don't know). Unfortunately you have to drop the entire oil pan to look at it...
< Message edited by Mark99GT -- 11/15/2007 11:37:05 AM >
the reason the guides did not fit is because 99-00 models have a windsor block , whereas the later models have romeo blocks.
Yeah I know that, but my timing equipment fit just fine. I know there are small differences in the blocks, but for the most part all of the parts are interchangeable.
EDIT: 2000GTFOOL, I think the part number ford was using was for the pre 99 motors. In 01 ford changed the romeo motors to the windsor style all plastic guides, found in the 99-mid 01 motors. Which explains why my stuff fit...
< Message edited by Mark99GT -- 11/15/2007 12:04:08 PM >
Wait.. So do the 99-00 have the plastic guides or the metal guides with the sleeves??
Here are what my parts look like. The guy at ford told me the "romeo" blocks are the cobra blocks and the "windsor" blocks are the GT.. He claims some mustangs got the Romeo blocks with GT heads ect.. I think they have thier heads on backwards...
Whatever, I have the parts I need now...... Thank goodness....
As far as the tensioners/locking the cams go.... My chains have almost no tensionon them at all.. The cams haven't moved at all yet....... I figured that if I was careful they wouldn't move..lol
I did the timing belt service on my Lexus LS400 and the cams were a much bigger pain in the ass... Huh..
As far as the tensioners/locking the cams go.... My chains have almost no tensionon them at all.. The cams haven't moved at all yet....... I figured that if I was careful they wouldn't move..lol
I did the timing belt service on my Lexus LS400 and the cams were a much bigger pain in the ass... Huh..
Thats risky man, I did the same thing and ended up tearing back into my engine because the timing was off. You've got it apart still right? If so, pull the valve covers off and set the timing properly. Its easy to do and might take an extra hour. Beats bending a valve or punching one through a piston. And my guides looked exactly like your original broken ones (just not broken).
I think that my 01 Auto GT is starting to get this issue.. it has 98,8500 and change on it, completely stock. I wouldnt describe mine as ticking ; but more of a squeaking noise when Im driving it. It doesnt seem to do this noise when the car is still.
I agree. That would more likely be rear end, wheel bearing, ujoint... If it only happens when you are moving.... UNLESS it's only under load... But still I don't think that it is your chain..
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but knowing my luck ill be having to re-read your write-up one day. 
