Hey, I'm not here to troll and cause trouble, I don't have a Mustang, I have a '99 Grand Prix GTP,but I was just curious as to what kind experiences you Mustang guys have had with racing GTP's?(Stock and modded) The other day I came up along side a Mustang GT and reved up next to him, he looks at me then down at my car, then up at me agian as if to say "I'm too fast for you buddy". I know most stang guys arn't that arrogant, lol.There are many 13 second GTP's out there (even quite a few 12's and 11's) and this guy just got me thinking.... are GP's generally underestimated by stang owners?

For a car thats a full 1 second slower (stock) in the 1/4 mile, I wouldnt be concerned if one pulled up next to me... but being supercharged already it is pretty easy to make them go much faster. You have alot of mods done to your car, but even so I don't see you running quicker than high 13's, which makes you fair game for any mildly modified mustang. Those cars are definately quick though when modified.

next time show a 50 and you want hear that.....never know until ya race..right? cause sh!t happens

My Dad's actually got a Regal GS that I've been itching to start toying with. iirc the 3.4" pulley is the biggest (least gain) of the commonly available pullies, good for ~25hp right? Was it noticeable?

gs??? you mean the turbo'd one like the "t" type?
or like a 71 gs455

Um, don't give them much thought. Most guys around here don't mess with them so you don't see them unless they're driven by old people.

gs??? you mean the turbo'd one like the "t" type?
or like a 71 gs455

No, I mean a 1999 (or was it 98?) Regal GS with the supercharged 3800 that the GTP, Park Avenue Ultra, and Bonneville (sp) whatever trim has in it. ;)

My mom has a 99 GTP, the 3800II is a respectable engine IMO.

Once you get those GTP's going, they haul some ass!!</P>


I've never ran across one in my 02 GT, but in my 88 Iroc-z with a 312, I was violating LS1's off the line, and the couple GTP's I came across got it handed to them, maybe if we had raced from a 50-60mph roll it would have been different, but my torque output was so much higher than the GTP's it didn't put up a fight.</P>

I dont consider them any threat at all, mostly because I only see older guys driving them, and they are never modded. Never considered them anything more than a supercharged family four door from Pontiac no less.

3.4" pulley is the biggest (least gain) of the commonly available pullies, good for ~25hp right? Was it noticeable? </P>


A 3.5 is the biggest (besides stock which is 3.8). Yes the 3.4 is good for about 25 hp and yes it is definitely noticable, especially with complimenting mods- intake, exhaust, and a chip. I'm estimated at about 285 hp (judging from people with the same mods that have dynoed thier car) </P>

is, yours a 5-spd? if so what does it run?

in my 88 Iroc-z with a 312, I was violating LS1's off the line </P>


Were you stock? I'm not familiar with that engine, is it similar in output to a 308?</P>

"is, yours a 5-spd? if so what does it run?"
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No GP's are all auto. I've never ran the 1/4 but am guessing high 13's.</P><edited><editID>GTP99whine</editID><editDate>37923.7873032407</editDate></edited>

oh ok, does anyone know what they run stock?</P>

I dont consider them any threat at all, mostly because I only see older guys driving them, and they are never modded. Never considered them anything more than a supercharged family four door from Pontiac no less. </P>


Well, I'm not talking about coming across some moms and dads, lol. </P>


Does this look like a family car? It's my car.<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></P>


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With a proper launch they run high 14's stock. I've seen it in person.

what does the car sound like? I didn't know they made 2 door versions...

Does this look like a family car? It's my car.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></p>


http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/alapanamo/redprofile.JPG border=</p>

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but my truthful opinion:...yea it does. It's still a nice ride regardless.

Redline, I'll find some sound clips for you.</P>


Fang: Really? I think a Regal or a Maxima or an Accordlooks like a family car. Oh well, thanks for the compliment. I've tried making it look more sporty by adding the 3 1/2" exhaust tips and the SLP spoiler. </P>

I like it 99GTP, my moms is dark green with the twisted spokes.

I drove it a few times, and it is imressive for a FWD 6.

Thanks Sean!

My buddy has a green 4door GTP and I'm very used to him and his family pulling up in our drivway and piling out, perhaps that is the reasoning for my subliminal perception of the model. I will tell you that the 2door does make it look a lot more "serious". I like it, dude.... Drive it with pride.......

Cheers

I'd love to hear it!</P>

Thanks Fang.</P>


Redline, hear's what it sounds like inside the cabin:</P>


http://www.cperki1.net/videos/19rocker.mpg (http://www.cperki1.net/videos/19rocker.mpg target=)</P>

My friend has a 1998 GTP 2-Doorthathasa light blue color on it and he gota intake and upgraded the pulley. His car whines like hell now, all you hear is the s/c.

I dont consider them any threat at all, mostly because I only see older guys driving them, and they are never modded. Never considered them anything more than a supercharged family four door from Pontiac no less. </P>


Well, I'm not talking about coming across some moms and dads, lol. </P>


Does this look like a family car? It's my car.<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></P>


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In all seriouness, I see plenty of older moms and dads (mostly dads) driving around in GTP 2 doors. They are just bigger cars, which lends itself to be more apealing to the older crowd. More of a baby boomer car if you will. In comparison to a Mustang, the GTP takes the 40+ class by storm, but I dont want to discredit your ride, it looks nice, and high 13s if that is what it runs is pretty good for a big FWD.</P>

i hear that like all of the charged 3.8 gm's are pretty junky...and if not id pick a bonneville cause you can pick those bastards up for like 2500-3000

Actually I see many 40+ people in Mustang GT's too. They are both basically the same size and weight. I really don't see what you are saying about "bigger cars". </P>


"and high 13s if that is what it runs is pretty good for a big FWD."</P>


I know, I can't slide around corners, but otherwise, why does this matter? Not trying to sound argumentative, I'm just wondering what you're saying here.</P>

i hear that like all of the charged 3.8 gm's are pretty junky...and if not id pick a bonneville cause you can pick those bastards up for like 2500-3000 </P>


Junky huh?, I can't say that's accurate, especially from personal experience. The 3800 is considered a very reliable, very strong engine. </P>

i wouldnt call it a powerful one though. i mean you can run FI on a small engine all you want, but it just has less potential.

how much do a gtp weigh? I dont think they are equal cars. Im sorry not talking crap some are fast but this dude in town always trys to rev on me and its pissing me off. I really want to race him bad. I know he is stock and just want to devistate him in front of his girl that thinks his car is fast. really though with those mods and front wheel drive I dont think you are in the 13,s. not with that hp and not that much torque.(and front wheel drive.)

the tranny is junk in those things and dont hold up if you make any serious power. Correct me if im wrong but isnt the only upgrade to the tranny the one from the buick.

LOL, Ok now I'm just seeing some niave comments, that's OK you'll learn someday I guess.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">The stang is about 200 lbs lighter but I have beat every stock Mustang GT I've raced. Put a nice stereo system in your car and you're close to my weight, lol.Don't get me wrong, they were good, closeraces, but for the small amount of money I've put into this car, I'm happy to say that stock GT's are no worry for me. For example: I changed to a 3.4" pulley for $70 dollars. That gave me an instant 25 extra hp.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">Give me an intercooler,3" pulley,andheaders and I'm in the 12's, it's that simple. About the tranny: I've talked to many GTP owners in the 11's and 12's and they will tell you the tranny is just fine, you want to talk about trannys going out? Lets talk about Eclipse GSX AWD's, LOL. </P><edited><editID>GTP99whine</editID><editDate>37924.26</editDate></edited>

As far as the 3800 SC being "not a very strong one" I'llhave to strongly disagreewith that.It is a time tested strong engine that has held up very well to forced induction; it has proven itself time and time agian. As far as output, I don't even think it's debatable that it's a powerfull engine, I mean come on, it's a six cylinder that can out-perform someV-8's, and with simple intake and a $70 pulley swap, it can out-perform a 4.6 liter stock Mustang GT. <edited><editID>GTP99whine</editID><editDate>37924.2594328704</editDate></edited>

i wouldnt call it a powerful one though. i mean you can run FI on a small engine all you want, but it just has less potential. </P>


Thought I should go into more detail here.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">So you consider a 3.8 small? What do you consider 4 bangers and 3 liter v-6's then? LOL Hey man, I'm not trying to sound like a cock, I'm just saying....I feel like you guys are thinking I'm some ricer with a turbocharged civic, lol.</P>

If not for any other reason, GPs are considered midsize cars. Their base modle is the SE which is a larger 4 door. This is where my theory of a larger car comes from, but consequently the 2 door is much smaller, so your point is valid. However, in the interest of speed, torque, and horsepower, it has long since been proven that a rear wheel application is the best choice. Not that there cannot be fast FWD cars, and I applaud you for having one, but if FWD was better for racing than RWD, John Force would be driving a built up Malibu. I don't know all the dynamics of FWD, although my first car was a 2 door 96 red Cutlass, but I do know that there aren't many midsize FWDsout there that are running 13s.</P>

2 door GTP's are not that small. There pretty big for a 2 door car. I'm 6 foot 3 and I have riden in my friend's GTP backseat and its not cramped, I could sit back there on a long trip. There pretty damn roomy for a 2 door. But, I sat in my friends backseat of his 1994 Mustang Cobra and I was eating my knees.</P><edited><editID>harvey041</editID><editDate>37924.4019212963</editDate></edited>

Yes, you get luxury and performance in one fast package.<IMG src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0">But hell, I'm not here to prove anything, there are both great AMERICAN cars, each with their own unique attributes. </P>


Honda=OWNED<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

sure it's a great car! It's not a honda <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">

doesn't sound bad either!

Don't listen to Jug - he knows not of what he speaks. ;)


Those cars are quite reliable. My parent's only problem so far was a battery that went tits up.

Jug what makes them so unreliable???

I don't think they're unreliable, but I dont know much about them either, other than they are quite quick for their class of car. I wouldn't dare put one up against even a stock 99+ stang though, even with a smaller pulley.</P>

Man,it's like you guys have to constantly reassure each other that an american car is better than a honda. I wonder why that is.

Sure hondas are reliable, but there not ment for racing. Hondas have there place. If you do 1grand in mods you are not going to get as much HP as if you had done that 1k of mods to a American V-8...but lets not get a american Vs. Import war going on here...it all depends on how much money you have to spend on your car.</P>


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How fast can you afford to go?</P>

Man,it's like you guys have to constantly reassure each other that an american car is better than a honda. I wonder why that is.

Yea, dude we all know we suck and have to constantly stroke each other to make up for it. *rolls eyes* Don't be tool. Thanks for playing.

not once did i mention reliability, so i wonder why everyone is suddenly bringing it up...</P>


and as for why i think they suck, you can ask my brother. hes probably one of the best damn mechanics around here so id say he knows what hes talking about when he says he wasnt impressed.</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37924.8508101852</editDate></edited>

Maybe he's an import tuner and knows they're great but doesn't want to admitt it? <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">J/K <edited><editID>GTP99whine</editID><editDate>37924.8528240741</editDate></edited>

maybe he knows a lot about a lot of kinds of cars seeing as he works on em daily </P>


and whoa whoa buddy, you'd be fighting to convince me your car is respectable and now you think its great?</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37924.8534953704</editDate></edited>

in my 88 Iroc-z with a 312, I was violating LS1's off the line </P>


Were you stock? I'm not familiar with that engine, is it similar in output to a 308?</P>


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Definetly not stock, it is a 305 block. Bored out, cam, ported heads.. 3.23 gears, the works..</P>

Jug, GTP's do not suck.</P>


I SERIOUSLY considered purchasing one and just upgrading the pulley and a few other minor bolt ons to spank Vette's and stock LS1's all day.</P>


They look cool IMO.</P>


The 3800 is easily the best 6 cylinder engine made by GM or Ford.</P>

but its old ass technology and just isnt a good base to start off with.

and once again you're putting words in my mouth. i never said they suck. </P>


and id say that the DOHC they put in tauruses is probably a lot better than the ford 3.8</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37924.8721180556</editDate></edited>

i hear that like all of the charged 3.8 gm's are pretty junky...and if not id pick a bonneville cause you can pick those bastards up for like 2500-3000 </P>


Sorry, I changed the wording around on ya <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


Jug, if you are going to go on 'less potential'...well a supercharged 350 has less potential than a supercharged 400...and that has less potential than a supercharged 500...and so on. Not everyone is looking for a 10 second street car.. <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"></P>


For this guy, his GTP get's it done for him, it's supercharged and moves faster than your bicycle man!! Chill!</P>

ok finally someone that has reasoning. you're right, but i think theres better ways to do it. he doesnt. simple as that. people arent always gonna agree, but we can agree to disagree. truce?</P>


but i gotta say...blown 400's and up probably arent too streetable. id stop at like 350/351 if it was gonna be supercharged</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37924.8832638889</editDate></edited>

ok finally someone that has reasoning. you're right, but i think theres better ways to do it. he doesnt. simple as that. people arent always gonna agree, but we can agree to disagree. truce?</P>


but i gotta say...blown 400's and up probably arent too streetable. id stop at like 350/351 if it was gonna be supercharged</P>


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Everything in bold is true.</P>


I'm sure this guy knows there's a better supercharged motor than a blown 3800. BTW I never had any hard feelings ;)</P>

well everyones jumpin my ass cause i dont like a supercharged junk motor...oh wait, i cant make fun of it anymore.</P>


and as for the bold thing...you dont think you have reasoning? you dont think he thinks his own car is good? and the 350/351 thing is an opinion so i cant argue it, but it is true that i most likely wouldnt use a supercharger on anything bigger than that.</P>


oh ps on the better ways to do it i mean realistically, as in something you could actually buy on a modest salary. meaning you would most likely do what you thought was best for your price range.</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37924.8893055556</editDate></edited>

No Jugador, you mis-understood what I meant, I should of said I thought it was true AND I agree'd with your comments. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

there is always a better engine. Maybe he wants better gas milage, he has his own reasons for buying the car.

i think we as a whole have a differnt ego than most racers. (you can dissagree) but muscle heads(muscle car) think differnt. like raw hp and when we put super chargers and nitrous no one can keep up. I think its great with all those mods people brag that they can keep up with a STOCK mustang. Keep on strocking my altered ego man its great. but your gtp cant and never will have the potential a v8 light weight mustang can. just plain and simple. you have to manyfactors working against you. (fwd, displacement, trany, etc.) its a cool car for what it is. you have more on you plate from the start for cheap mods but reach the top to quick and then that wall you cant go over. sorry but i think in my OPINION they suck. its not a race car and never will be.

Actually awwimer, your 100th post is full of so much ignorance I find it difficult to take you seriously. First of all, I never came on this board with an ego (your size) and started bragging how insanely fast my car was. I never claimed it was a "race car". I know GTP's are technicallya family car, (yetwith a good balance of luxury and balls.)</P>


"I think its great with all those mods people brag that they can keep up with a STOCK mustang."</P>


What mods? a $70 pulley and intake? LOL. That's all it takes.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


"but your gtp cant and never will have the potential a v8 light weight mustang can."</P>


Having a 4.6 liter V-8 obviously does have more potential than a 3.8 V-6, no argument there, it's got more displacement, and if blown, it's fast as hell. (SVT Cobra comes to mind...mmm)<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0">Light weight you say? You thinkMustang GT'sare lightweight? Wow. </P>


"but reach the top to quick and then that wall you cant go over."</P>


All cars have limitations.....even yours! <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0">You can make any car go fast withenough money, it's just cheaper to do that on asupercharged enginethan a N/A car like your Mustang. Like I said, a few simple bolt on's and my V-6 "family car" can beata respectable V-8 stock stang. </P>


People, I have nothing against Mustangs, they are nice looking, fast cars that sound great. (I love that growl)I might have even bought one butto be honest Iliked the sleek flowing body style of the Grand Prix better and decided I wanted a bit more luxury and cheaper insurance so I can save more money for mods!<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


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Just to show that it can be done (in case some of you don't believe, lol) here is a video of a turbo GTP running 10.9. Yes, you can make any car fast yadda yadda yadda, but this isquite anaccomplishment for a GP.<IMG src=smileys/smiley10.gif border="0"></P>


Enjoy.<IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"></P>


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http://www.intense-racing.com/video/Turbo_10998.mpg (http://www.intense-racing.com/video/Turbo_10998.mpg target=)</P>

what is wrong with that retarded ass video that i have a bunch of download boxes sitting there and the file wont open? </P>


and FYI a turbo grand prix is far from any of the things that you say makes your car so good. it may be cheaper to go fast in stock trim, but i guarantee theres easier ways to make a car go 10's period.</P>

I can't really make fun of 3.8's. My brother runs around in a Grand National that will suck the paint off my car anywhere anyt time. I was so pissed when he first got that car. He went out bought some rims/tires, an airbag for the passenger side rear, a "test tube" for the cat, and a chip to go 7.70's in the 1/8th. Spent a total of $1200. </P>


I spent more than that on just my heads.....</P>

turbo is a different ballgame. they are far better cause they dont leech to make that power.

Turbo is a restriction in the exhaust.
You should know that nothing is free.

but you know what i mean. why are you suddenly putting me on your hitlist or something, did i do anything to you? and supercharged puts more stress on the engine than turbo anyway. it has not only the stress of the hp it dynos, but the stress of pulling the charger too.

Ok now that that's outta the way, I honestly think a GTP is pretty cool and has alot of potential for the cheap too! But that potential is limited by being heavy, fwd, and a small displacement engine (compared to a Mustang that is). While their is no doubt it is a quick car, I dont think any GTP is gonna scare me anywhere or anytime (not to say their arent faster GTP's that can spank me, but the odds of that are very very slim).</P>


Listen, even someone with a Honda Civic can do enough work to it to smoke both of us, but I think its fair to say that you wouldnt expect a Civic to pull on you right? Well thats kinda how I feel when I look at a GTP.</P>

Damn, leave him alone.

You can tell he did not come here to start sh!t. He likes his car and has every right to. No matter what everyone posts the 3800 II is a good engine with potential. 99 is not trash talking stangs, maybe we can give him the same respect. <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

I was giving him respect, I was standing up for him saying I liked the GTP's, but I was also defending the Mustangers who werent intimidated by his car. I think its great having non-mustang owners hanging out here, especially ones like 99 who don't have something up their ass and actually know a little about what their talking about.

damn im guessing that was directed to me...lol

I was giving him respect, I was standing up for him saying I liked the GTP's, but I was also defending the Mustangers who werent intimidated by his car.* I think its great having non-mustang owners hanging out here, especially ones like 99 who don't have something up their ass and actually know a little about what their talking about.

I wasn't refering to you Md, I know you be a cool muthaf**ka.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">

damn im guessing that was directed to me...lol

All I am saying there is no reason to jump on the people who come and give respect. Now the ones who come to flame Stangs, rip them a new a$$hole.

i wouldnt callwhat i didjumping on people, ive just heard that they arent the greatest engine in the world, charged or not, and you guys are treating me like an arab on a plane for disagreeing.

"Arab on a plane for disagreeing." That is funny sh!t<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"> <edited><editID>Sean</editID><editDate>37925.5900578704</editDate></edited>

I can't cast my vote till I race one for myself. I think they are a fine car, a V6 w/ 240hp and 280lb/ft is very respectable in my books, too bad they're not rear drive.

i would like to add that im not trying to flame really either. any car that is fast is cool in my book.(but will give more respect to muscle cars<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">) but what do you expect. its a freakin Mustang forum. what does he want us to do tell him how to tune it to go faster or just tell him oh cool next time i see one ill race it to show i dont underestimate them. what, this is a site for us by us (fubu) sorry im just getting irratated by other people coming on this site to tell us about there cars. we all know they are there, if we cared about them we would go to there site and read about them. there are generic race sites to talk about other cars. so whatever, go <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0">about it.

I'm a white hetero male and I'm not amused by racial slurs, sexuality slams, or other prejudiced remarks.

Just like you all may not like being compared to Kid Rock's character on Joe Dirt (redneck, mullet lovers, hill billies, whatever), minority groups don't really appreciate your comments. Not all import drivers are Asian or ricers, not all domestic drivers are rednecks. The comments just aren't funny.

And no, Jug, I'm not singling you out for any reason other than you're making yourself out to be a big target. ;)

only reason im supposedly a big target is cause everyone is rephrasing what i said in ways i didnt mean</P>

I've driven several of the supercharged 3800's and they run pretty well,however,I was driving them because they they came into the shop with their transmissions blown up.The transmissions are kind of weak and I believe all the blown 3800's use the same trans.They aren't bad cars,but they aren't great cars either,I think a Mustang GT withset of gears would beat a GTP fairly easily,try putting a set of gears in a GTP. just my .02 dollars worth,,,,,

True, but the transmission deal works the same with GT's. We see plenty of people complaining of clutch problems on this board with under 30k miles!!</P>


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not saying i dont believe u, but i find it strange i havent seen any of the complaints. perhaps im not on at the right time for them to be in the latest topics.</P>

Yep, our cars, whether Mustangs or GP's are not built for really high performance power.The tranny is rated for a certain amount of power, and I'm sure on stangs it's rated for a higher amount than a GTP because it's a V-8, but in reality, if you compare it to the real huge high output engines, they are basically in the same class, and are not going to hold up to the kind of output Vipers are putting out. You mod a car extensively, you are going to eventually have to throw in a specialized tranny to go with that power, be it stangs or GTP's. </P>


Both cars have their pros anf their cons, but I'm not here to debate that, I just hope they getmore recognition than they do, especially when one of you guys lines up against a heavily modded GTP. Like I said, they can go fast for cheap. The same can't be said for a civic, lol or most economy imports, or American family cars for that matter.<IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"></P>


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im just getting irratated by other people coming on this site to tell us about there cars. we all know they are there, if we cared about them we would go to there site and read about them. there are generic race sites to talk about other cars. so whatever, go <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0">about it. </P>


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know there were other fast cars out there besides Mustangs.<IMG src=smileys/smiley11.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

ok finally someone that has reasoning. you're right, but i think theres better ways to do it. he doesnt. simple as that. people arent always gonna agree, but we can agree to disagree. truce?</P>


but i gotta say...blown 400's and up probably arent too streetable. id stop at like 350/351 if it was gonna be supercharged</P>


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SOrry Jug had to comment.. Larger engines like blowers more. a blown 400 or 455 is very streetable, unless you go with alot of boost and then you have a hard time pullin away from stoplights. Smaller engines just act like bigger ones with blowers. Now something like a Vtech with a turbo, yeah there will be some lag and it will run quicker eventualy, but smaller engines improve when blown, so do larger engines.</P>


I used to make piston rings for the 3800 Buick engine that is in GTP's. I have worked on them since they were new back in the 80's. I have worked on the SHO engine, the ford 3.8, lots of V6's. The 3800 is the best one as far as durablity, price, ease of maintenece, and power. Its not the best to drop in your Tarus, you could do it, but wouldnt it be easier to keep it Ford powered? </P>


GM happens to build a great engine, no it doesnt come factory stock with enough wheaties to outrun John Force. FWD sucks for drag racing, infact it sucks for pretty much all racing. GTP's are cool cars because they have style and move pretty good, lost of potential there. Mustangs are also cool. Hondas are not.</P>


GM has seen that FWD cars sell better, have more room inside that RWD (that is why a 6'+ guy can sit in the back of a GTP and not a Stang or F body). GM knows that they arent a performance platform like a RWD car, they arent looking to sell to that crowd, but they can be made to run pretty hard. </P>


I think they are underestimated by a great many people.</P>

I've driven several of the supercharged 3800's and they run pretty well,however,I was driving them because they they came into the shop with their transmissions blown up.The transmissions are kind of weak and I believe all the blown 3800's use the same trans.They aren't bad cars,but they aren't great cars either,I think a Mustang GT withset of gears would beat a GTP fairly easily,try putting a set of gears in a GTP. just my .02 dollars worth,,,,, </P>


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THis is true too.. <IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"> New Stangs dont all run like DAN's GT. He has an impressive one. I have seen a great many others that havent broken into the 9's in the 1/8th. I havent seena STOCK GT run near the 13's yet, not with my own eyes. I havent seena STOCK GTP do that either. My bro's 03 COBRA has only managed a best of 12.8 and it has 440 + RWHP. It just kinda depends on alot of things, he should get in the low 12's or better yet high 11's with some sticky tires.</P>


As it is, he gets owned by almost all the LS1Fbodys in my club. Untill he gets traction at some point. True most are modded. What matters is ET and do ya like the car you are driving. 16.8 @ 80 mph is not fast.. is it...</P>

THis is true too.. <IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"> New Stangs dont all run like DAN's GT. He has an impressive one. I have seen a great many others that havent broken into the 9's in the 1/8th. I havent seena STOCK GT run near the 13's yet, not with my own eyes. I havent seena STOCK GTP do that either. My bro's 03 COBRA has only managed a best of 12.8 and it has 440 + RWHP. It just kinda depends on alot of things, he should get in the low 12's or better yet high 11's with some sticky tires.</P>


As it is, he gets owned by almost all the LS1Fbodys in my club. Untill he gets traction at some point. True most are modded. What matters is ET and do ya like the car you are driving. 16.8 @ 80 mph is not fast.. is it...</P>


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Eh, I wouldn't say it's that odd I ran 13.8@104. I do have FR shorty headers &amp; upgraded exhaust &amp; MAF housing...I do have a new bottom end now and it may be slower than my original motor. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

on your posts under it, it says eaton inside. what type of super charger is it. roots?, how much boost comes stock. how much can the supercharger put out on a stock block. when do you have to update your fuel system, for boost. I used to want one also before i bought my mustang. well sorry if youconstrued my posts as insults to you. nothing personal. well if your here and not flaming, give us some specs man. man i really want to race this one in town. i was told he has a smaller pullie. chip and exaust. what should he run? once when playing around at a light i lit him off the line and was still pulling for a block. I dont think he wanted to back off and was spinning the tires pretty bad.I would assume they are top end cars and would have cought me at the top end if he had things done. well shoot some info.

Yeah it's a roots type. It comes with 9-10 lbs stock and will add 40 hp. (the N/A GP GT's come with 200 hp stock.) As far as the fuel system if you fet a DHP chip which takes care of that. Here is some more info on what exactly is does:</P>


<FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Speed limiter removed
- 3-1 and 4-2 skip shifts (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Transmission line pressure increased (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Shift points moved (5800-6000rpms) (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Fan turn on points altered:
- 186 degree turn on
- 2 minute fan on at key-off (this feature activates when engine coolant is 179 degrees or greater)
- MAF calibration adjusted for proper operation and year
- Digital Horsepower Inc. fuel/spark adjustments:
- En-richens fuel delivery for critical problem areas
- Provides a consistent power gain across the entire power band
- Reduces spark retard (knock retard)
- Removes "40MPH WOT lag"</FONT></P>


<FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Verdana size=2>"what should he run?"</FONT></P>


Hard to say without really knowing his car. Assuming he has a 3.4" pulley with those mods he could runanywhere from 13.8- 14.2 depending on his launch and the temp outside.He's probably pushing around 280 hp, 315lb/ft torque. These are bottom end/mid-range cars,kinda weak in the top end, but that's easilyremedied.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">
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IMO most underrated car is the new Maxima. They will flat out hall.

That's very true. The new Maxima's are sleepers.

Hey all, I'm new here and I promise am not here to troll either. I have high respect for Mustangs too. Nearly gotan '01 GTbefore I changed my mind and got the GTP because of cheaper insurance and 4 doors.</P>


I think we're underestimated by the Stang crowd, but understandably so because there really are a large majority of the GTP's that are driven by the 40+ crowd and are bone stock. I can't for the life of me get any street races in this car unless I initiate them. Therefore, that's what I've had to do, initiate them.<IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>


That's the frustrating part. However, when I do get races and I don't blow the launch, I tend to impressthe competition which makesme feel good. I now actually try to hunt Stang GT's down now to try to get in a run for the fun of it. Itusually makes for a great race. I find that many are quite surprised at the results (I haven't lost to one yet, but then again I haven't run into a heavily modified one yet either). Ran a '97 GT 5-speed the other day from 0-85 and by 85 I only had this guy's nose at my rear door.<IMG src=smileys/smiley11.gif border="0"> He was lowered, had no exhaust tips showing at all, had aftermarket rims, and pods. That's all I know. I'd love to know what he had done to it to hang with me like he did though.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"> If you're on this forum, speak up!</P>


Oh yea, and having FWD and lots of torque makes for VERY frustrating launches. It took so much practice for me to get the 2.051 - 60' in my sig.. It comes easy to some GTPers, but it took lots of practice for me. It's easy to go up in smoke once pullied if you hit it too hard out of the hole...</P>

Sounds like you have a nice car, but I believe thisthread is dead. <edited><editID>redneck101</editID><editDate>37955.9009143518</editDate></edited>

Holy dead thread resurrection battman <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"> <edited><editID>95LT1</editID><editDate>37955.8953819444</editDate></edited>

Yea, I knew it was old. Just bored and happened upon this thread. Sawwy.<IMG src=smileys/smiley8.gif border="0"></P>


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It was only 28 days old....</P>


I've seen people pull up threads from four months ago on my other site. <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>


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ive seen year old...or was it 11 month...ones on here

I'm busted.<IMG src=smileys/smiley10.gif border="0"> This thread was long as snot in the first place though. Probably ought to let it die here......sorry for bringing it up, just thought I'd put in my 2 cents.<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0">

I'm busted.<IMG src=smileys/smiley10.gif border="0"> This thread was long as snot in the first place though. Probably ought to let it die here......sorry for bringing it up, just thought I'd put in my 2 cents.<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"> </P>


Hey, if we have something to talk about, might as well keep er' goin'</P>

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Since when is 12s fast? </P>


I take it youown a 9, 10, or 11 second car to make that comment.In my opinion, 12's make you pretty darn fast. If you saw a 4 door family car running 12's, wouldn't you think it was fast? On the flipside, if you saw a new Viper running 12's, you wouldn't think it was anything special.</P>


People in the 13's and higher think 12's are fast. People in the 9's, 10's, and 11's think 12's are slow.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

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I have respect for you guys running 12s in your little grocery getters. . . but that's about as far as it goes on that stock blower and internals. </P>


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Yup, can't deny that. You're right on the money there. Well sorry I brought back this old dead thread......don't guess it's really going anywhere. So let's end it here. Rest in peace thread. I will not disturb again.<IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0"></P>


Later guys, take care.</P>