True, but the transmission deal works the same with GT's. We see plenty of people complaining of clutch problems on this board with under 30k miles!!

not saying i dont believe u, but i find it strange i havent seen any of the complaints.  perhaps im not on at the right time for them to be in the latest topics.

Yep, our cars, whether Mustangs or GP's are not built for really high performance power. The tranny is rated for a certain amount of power, and I'm sure on stangs it's rated for a higher amount than a GTP because it's a V-8, but in reality, if you compare it to the real huge high output engines, they are basically in the same class, and are not going to hold up to the kind of output Vipers are putting out. You mod a car extensively, you are going to eventually have to throw in a specialized tranny to go with that power, be it stangs or GTP's.

Both cars have their pros anf their cons, but I'm not here to debate that, I just hope they get more recognition than they do, especially when one of you guys lines up against a heavily modded GTP.  Like I said, they can go fast for cheap. The same can't be said for a civic, lol or most economy imports, or American family cars for that matter.

[QUOTE=awwimer]im just getting irratated by other people coming on this site to tell us about there cars. we all know they are there, if we cared about them we would go to there site and read about them. there are generic race sites to talk about other cars. so whatever, go  about it.[/QUOTE]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know there were other fast cars out there besides Mustangs.

ok finally someone that has reasoning.  you're right, but i think theres better ways to do it.  he doesnt.  simple as that.  people arent always gonna agree, but we can agree to disagree.  truce?

but i gotta say...blown 400's and up probably arent too streetable.  id stop at like 350/351 if it was gonna be supercharged

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SOrry Jug had to comment.. Larger engines like blowers more. a blown 400 or 455 is very streetable, unless you go with alot of boost and then you have a hard time pullin away from stoplights. Smaller engines just act like bigger ones with blowers. Now something like a Vtech with a turbo, yeah there will be some lag and it will run quicker eventualy, but  smaller engines improve when blown, so do larger engines.

I used to make piston rings for the 3800 Buick engine that is in GTP's. I have worked on them since they were new back in the 80's. I have worked on the SHO engine, the ford 3.8, lots of V6's. The 3800 is the best one as far as durablity, price, ease of maintenece, and power. Its not the best to drop in your Tarus, you could do it, but wouldnt it be easier to keep it Ford powered?

 GM happens to build a great engine, no it doesnt come factory stock with enough wheaties to outrun John Force. FWD sucks for drag racing, infact it sucks for pretty much all racing. GTP's are cool cars because they have style and move pretty good, lost of potential there. Mustangs are also cool. Hondas are not.

 GM has seen that FWD cars sell better, have more room inside that RWD (that is why a 6'+ guy can sit in the back of a GTP and not a Stang or F body). GM knows that they arent a performance platform like a RWD car, they arent looking to sell to that crowd, but they can be made to run pretty hard.

I think they are underestimated by a great many people.

[QUOTE=nostang]     I've driven several of the supercharged 3800's and they run pretty well,however,I was driving them because they they came into the shop with their transmissions blown up.The transmissions are kind of weak and I believe all the blown 3800's use the same trans.They aren't bad cars,but they aren't great cars either,I think a Mustang GT with set of gears would beat a GTP fairly easily,try putting a set of gears in a GTP.   just my .02 dollars worth,,,,,[/QUOTE]

THis is true too..   New Stangs dont all run like DAN's GT. He has an impressive one. I have seen a great many others that havent broken into the 9's in the 1/8th. I havent seena STOCK GT run near the 13's yet, not with my own eyes. I havent seena STOCK GTP do that either. My bro's 03 COBRA has only managed a best of 12.8 and it has 440 + RWHP. It just kinda depends on alot of things, he should get in the low 12's or better yet high 11's with some sticky tires.

As it is, he gets owned by almost all the LS1 Fbodys in my club. Untill he gets traction at some point. True most are modded. What matters is ET and do ya like the car you are driving.  16.8 @ 80 mph is not fast.. is it...

THis is true too..   New Stangs dont all run like DAN's GT. He has an impressive one. I have seen a great many others that havent broken into the 9's in the 1/8th. I havent seena STOCK GT run near the 13's yet, not with my own eyes. I havent seena STOCK GTP do that either. My bro's 03 COBRA has only managed a best of 12.8 and it has 440 + RWHP. It just kinda depends on alot of things, he should get in the low 12's or better yet high 11's with some sticky tires.

As it is, he gets owned by almost all the LS1 Fbodys in my club. Untill he gets traction at some point. True most are modded. What matters is ET and do ya like the car you are driving.  16.8 @ 80 mph is not fast.. is it...

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Eh, I wouldn't say it's that odd I ran 13.8@104. I do have FR shorty headers & upgraded exhaust & MAF housing...I do have a new bottom end now and it may be slower than my original motor.

Yeah it's a roots type. It comes with 9-10 lbs stock and will add 40 hp. (the N/A GP GT's come with 200 hp stock.) As far as the fuel system if you fet a DHP chip which takes care of that. Here is some more info on what exactly is does:

Speed limiter removed
- 3-1 and 4-2 skip shifts (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Transmission line pressure increased (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Shift points moved (5800-6000rpms) (Active in performance shift mode only*)
- Fan turn on points altered:
    - 186 degree turn on
    - 2 minute fan on at key-off (this feature activates when engine coolant is 179 degrees or greater)
- MAF calibration adjusted for proper operation and year
- Digital Horsepower Inc. fuel/spark adjustments:
    - En-richens fuel delivery for critical problem areas
    - Provides a consistent power gain across the entire power band
    - Reduces spark retard (knock retard)
    - Removes "40MPH WOT lag" 

"what should he run?"

Hard to say without really knowing his car. Assuming he has a 3.4" pulley with those mods he could run anywhere from 13.8- 14.2 depending on his launch and the temp outside. He's probably pushing around 280 hp, 315 lb/ft torque. These are bottom end/mid-range cars, kinda weak in the top end, but that's easily remedied.
   

Hey all, I'm new here and I promise am not here to troll either.  I have high respect for Mustangs too.  Nearly got an '01 GT before I changed my mind and got the GTP because of cheaper insurance and 4 doors.

I think we're underestimated by the Stang crowd, but understandably so because there really are a large majority of the GTP's that are driven by the 40+ crowd and are bone stock.  I can't for the life of me get any street races in this car unless I initiate them.  Therefore, that's what I've had to do, initiate them.

That's the frustrating part.  However, when I do get races and I don't blow the launch, I tend to impress the competition which makes me feel good.  I now actually try to hunt Stang GT's down now to try to get in a run for the fun of it.  It usually makes for a great race.  I find that many are quite surprised at the results (I haven't lost to one yet, but then again I haven't run into a heavily modified one yet either).  Ran a '97 GT 5-speed the other day from 0-85 and by 85 I only had this guy's nose at my rear door.  He was lowered, had no exhaust tips showing at all, had aftermarket rims, and pods.  That's all I know.  I'd love to know what he had done to it to hang with me like he did though.  If you're on this forum, speak up!

Oh yea, and having FWD and lots of torque makes for VERY frustrating launches.  It took so much practice for me to get the 2.051 - 60' in my sig..  It comes easy to some GTPers, but it took lots of practice for me.  It's easy to go up in smoke once pullied if you hit it too hard out of the hole...

Yea, I knew it was old.  Just bored and happened upon this thread.  Sawwy.

It was only 28 days old....

I've seen people pull up threads from four months ago on my other site.

[QUOTE=DavesGTP]I'm busted.  This thread was long as snot in the first place though.  Probably ought to let it die here......sorry for bringing it up, just thought I'd put in my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

Hey, if we have something to talk about, might as well keep er' goin'