Which one helps more?

blow me

well, if your dad is a billionaire higher position, you might be ok. I think a college degree will make certain that you can get some kind of a decent job somewhere. knowing how to bull**** might help, but it's not certain. the college degree is the only thing that is certain out of the three.

degree doesn't guarantee anything, if you have a philosphy degree you will be working at mcdonalds along with all the other un-educated idiots

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degree doesn't guarantee anything, if you have a philosphy degree you will be working at mcdonalds along with all the other un-educated idiots


that's not true at all. you can be a substitute teacher with a degree. or sell insurance. or any other field that requires "a college degree". the other un-educated idiots can't.

does a degree always guarantee a job in the field that it is in?

thats probably the hard part.

what the hell, you people are wierd in the US a "degree" up here is only good if it is in a respectable field

why the **** do you need a college degree in fine arts to sell insurance?

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what the hell, you people are wierd in the US a "degree" up here is only good if it is in a respectable field

why the **** do you need a college degree in fine arts to sell insurance?


because it's proof that you can commit to a 4-year long goal and finish it. hell if I know, but I'd rather have a guy with a f.art degree than a guy with a GED.

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ORIGINAL: drhoward

what the hell, you people are wierd in the US a "degree" up here is only good if it is in a respectable field

why the **** do you need a college degree in fine arts to sell insurance?


because it's proof that you can commit to a 4-year long goal and finish it. hell if I know, but I'd rather have a guy with a f.art degree than a guy with a GED.



I would rather have the guy with the ged at least he knows he's stupid, the people with the arts degrees like to pretend they actually know something

Knowing how to bull****.

You can bull**** your way through everything, including a college degree, and a job promotion.

realistically, it always ends up being the second 2.

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degree doesn't guarantee anything, if you have a philosphy degree you will be working at mcdonalds along with all the other un-educated idiots


that's not true at all. you can be a substitute teacher with a degree. or sell insurance. or any other field that requires "a college degree". the other un-educated idiots can't.



Actually, you don't need a degree to be a sub. teacher. You can be working on one and still be a Substitute Teacher. And what does a degree say anyway? I mean, I comitted to 4 years in the military. Does that mean that since I don't have a degree I won't commit to anything?

at least the guy with the art degree might actually be able to write a formal sentence correctly. if you're looking for a person with a college degree, you obviously don't want a dumb guy. but yeah, I know what you mean about an art degree.

Usually in the long run, it's who you know. A degree will certainly help get your foot in the door, and the ability to sling the ol' cow pies is an invaluable skill, but inevitably, it comes down to who you know and who you blow.

degree > high school GED

imagine this. you are picking players for your professional [insert sport] team. would you much rather have a high school athelelete or a college athlete?

omg boner

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degree doesn't guarantee anything, if you have a philosphy degree you will be working at mcdonalds along with all the other un-educated idiots


that's not true at all. you can be a substitute teacher with a degree. or sell insurance. or any other field that requires "a college degree". the other un-educated idiots can't.



Actually, you don't need a degree to be a sub. teacher. You can be working on one and still be a Substitute Teacher. And what does a degree say anyway? I mean, I comitted to 4 years in the military. Does that mean that since I don't have a degree I won't commit to anything?


uhm... if you have a college degree, it generally means you can communicate with the world effectively, whether it is by writing or talking. generally.

I can't spell (communicate)and I havea college diploma and a university degree[8D]


I don't think its who you know, if you work hard and have relavent experienceyou can get very good jobs

I know carpenters with BSs.
I know plumbers with BSs.

You can't work as a teacher in Massachusetts without a teaching certificate. And boy do you gotta jump through hoops to get one. But the starting pay isn't bad, and there are openings. Just buy a bulletproof vest.

A college degree shows an ability to apply yourself. Some degrees in fields such as engineering are a guarantee of reaching at least some respectable level. But many of those jobs have distinct ceilings, or they require all your time for true advancement.

Who you know can be key. If they can set you up in an untouchable position you're set. But that's a hard thing to do in the new millennium.
Plus, who you know can go down in flames and take you with them. You could be a victim of a pogrom. Or your sponsor could retire. Or die. Seadaddies don't last forever.

Being a class-A number 1 Bullschitter will get you through anything. Anything at all. It's like being coated with Teflon. At any time, in any spot, in any malfunction you may find yourself in, you can just switch gears and come out smelling like the proverbial rose.

Its a package deal. In order to be successful, you need a college degree and then be able to bull**** to get the job. Resume gets you noticed, its you that gets the job.

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Its a package deal. In order to be successful, you need a college degree and then be able to bull**** to get the job. Resume gets you noticed, its you that gets the job.


hey! that's not the question. that's the kind of answer a bullsh*tter would give. [8D]

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Its a package deal. In order to be successful, you need a college degree and then be able to bull**** to get the job. Resume gets you noticed, its you that gets the job.


hey! that's not the question. that's the kind of answer a bullsh*tter would give. [8D]



Well I voted for both a degree and the ability to bull**** :D

I think you guys are overlooking certification. In the 21st century there is such a high demand for people in certain fields with particular skills, that a hs diploma or GED and a cert from a community college can get a well paying, stable career. Welders for example, technicians in MANY fields from automotive, to oil and natural gas, to medical/dental etc. I've met plenty of retards with degrees, and plenty of people without degrees that have mad skillz. I'm more concerned about someone's ability to interact with others and get the job done with reliability, than their ability to produce a piece of paper that says they're educated. Remember Albert Einstein? He failed out of high school, and all his degrees were honorary, he never actually completed a university course to get them.

Granting that though, yes, a degree does help because it does show that you can at least finish something, if nothing else. But I do think that often too much emphasis is placed on "higher education," especially when you look at the current state of America's University systems. Some of the greatest minds in history in their particular fields, would be classified as uneducated, mainly because they were telling the educated that they were wrong so they became marginalized, only to later be proven correct.

A. College Degree.
B. Know someone in a higher position.
C. Knowing how to Bull$hit (Natural Talent.)


A says what you've done.

B says who you know.

C says who you are. And who you are decides what you become. A major league Bullschitter is at the top of life's game. Natural Talent.

If its degrees you want a Bullschitter might say he's got six degrees. And a Slinger who's a pro will make you believe it. He'll believe it himself.
If it's a matter of connections a top notch Bullschitter will convince you he knows whomever he needs to know. He's good remember? He could convince you he knows you.

If called on anything the man with the golden tongue will always have a way out. And no where is it written this Natural Talent is a bad thing. It's an ability to think on your feet. The BS artist knows how to overcome whatever is in his way.

The trick is....stealing stuff from work.

We had to throw out a couple kiosks that we used to use, and they both had these REALLY nice 15' LCD touchscreens. Ripped'em out, and am selling them on ebay.

Other auctions have these things at $160 at 3 days left.

Cha-CHING baby!!!!

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I think you guys are overlooking certification. In the 21st century there is such a high demand for people in certain fields with particular skills, that a hs diploma or GED and a cert from a community college can get a well paying, stable career. Welders for example, technicians in MANY fields from automotive, to oil and natural gas, to medical/dental etc. I've met plenty of retards with degrees, and plenty of people without degrees that have mad skillz. I'm more concerned about someone's ability to interact with others and get the job done with reliability, than their ability to produce a piece of paper that says they're educated. Remember Albert Einstein? He failed out of high school, and all his degrees were honorary, he never actually completed a university course to get them.

Granting that though, yes, a degree does help because it does show that you can at least finish something, if nothing else. But I do think that often too much emphasis is placed on "higher education," especially when you look at the current state of America's University systems. Some of the greatest minds in history in their particular fields, would be classified as uneducated, mainly because they were telling the educated that they were wrong so they became marginalized, only to later be proven correct.


there are always exceptions. generally speaking, this is not true.

I think if you have the gift of gab and can talk a buncha BS you can get further than having just a college degree. If you have both, you're golden. Ive seen a lot of book smart people who cant get a decent job bc they have no people skills.

if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.

if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.

Yes, but in general you will hit a pay ceiling and have little room for advancement above a "nuts and bolts" position. Companies don't use engineers in high level management positions. You get locked in.
If you want to make a LOT of money as an engineer you better be ready for a ton of travel.

I don't know a single person who is in the engineering field because they dreamed of being in high level management and dealing with business people and their BS all day long. if that's what they wanted, they should've been in marketing or some other business field. that said, there is no shortage of engineering jobs paying six figures, you can find them all over monster.com.

Your singling out engineering. It is a fine field. It is also one of many, many degrees. Most degree programs do not afford the opportunities that engineering does.
A low six figure income these days is middle class at best. The first figure for most engineers is going to be a one. And the next figure is going to be three or lower unless you become a department head. That's not too shabby, in fact it's wonderful, but for the guy with the true gift of gab the sky's the limit. Such a person may also have a degree in sociology or something fairly useless, and he may also know people, but it's his razzle dazzle that will take him to the top. Now don't get me wrong because I can't stand either one of the jags, but think about Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.


but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks

I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day

you can live very well anywhere in the world with a low six figure income. I'm not really sure what your point is by saying a college degree will never get you a job that pays millions a year unless you can bull****, you're talking about the exceptions, not generalities. there are exceptions to every rule. if you can bull**** but your resume doesn't catch anyone's attention, you'll never get your foot in the door to begin with.

ORIGINAL: drhoward

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.


but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks

I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day


they obviously didn't look to aerospace. if I knew somebody with a 4.0 out of college, I could get them a decent paying job tomorrow.

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The trick is....stealing stuff from work.

We had to throw out a couple kiosks that we used to use, and they both had these REALLY nice 15' LCD touchscreens. Ripped'em out, and am selling them on ebay.

Other auctions have these things at $160 at 3 days left.

Cha-CHING baby!!!!



If I were you Id keep that on the D/L, otherwise youre goin to jail, big guy. My old boss got busted for selling stolen snowboards from work on ebay.

Plus - now youre on the radar of the Transformers.... they know you now. Sorry... just watched that last night.

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ORIGINAL: redass02gt

if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.


but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks

I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day


they obviously didn't look to aerospace. if I knew somebody with a 4.0 out of college, I could get them a decent paying job tomorrow.



I am in civil we typically have to deal with people construction workers, developers etc

and besides if you do want to move up it is typically into managment where you do need inter personal skill not just technical knowhow

yeah, well, your degree isn't even worth a damn without other licenses. freak engineers. [8D]

do they have the PE deal in canadia?

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yeah, well, your degree isn't even worth a damn without other licenses. freak engineers. [8D]

do they have the PE deal in canadia?



its called a P.Eng up here and I don't need any other liscences to practice engineering I do it all the time with only my University degree. The university accredidation programs up here are such that all you need is a degree and you are automatically eligible for your EIT status (engineer in training) then after the equivilent of 4 years practicall expereince you can apply for your P.Eng and get your stamp and typically a bigpay increase. I was actaully filling out a couple of the forms for it today[8D]

I do take up grade courses from time to time but that more for more in depth practical design hints than anything or to get more speciallized in a particular field but I don't need to take them

The question mentions careers. Life is a career. Let me give an example of what a major Bullschitter is in my eyes.

I have an old friend who has always lived by his wits. He went to about ninth grade in school yet always has money in his pocket. Always. And if perchance he doesn't, he knows where to get some.

Back in the late seventies he was touring Central America living off of credit cards of dubious origins. "Tip the bellboy $50.00 and he thinks you're a rich gringo." was the way he explained he would start his stay in a new local.

While in Nicaragua he went sight seeing on a moped. On a country road he was surrounded by Sandinestas who pointed AK47s at him and demanded everything he had. They spoke some english so he knew he had a chance. He handed over all his possessions including the moped but saved turning over the camera hung around his neck for last.
As they took the camera my friend asked if they could do him a favor.

He wondered if they would take his picture with their group and let him keep the film.

He insists to this day that had he not made that appeal to their vanity he would have been killed.

That's a 4.0 Bullschitter.

Watch the movie "pursuit of happiness". Thread closed.

you can live very well anywhere in the world with a low six figure income.

You can live well in many parts of the world on a four figure income. Just watch out for tsunamis.

I am truly amazed that half the people hear on this forum think that they can attain success through their Natural Tallent.

Just a thought, how do you compose that on a Resume??? Iknow that the college degree would actually get you an interview. As fas as the BS, I read 20 or so resumes a week and I regularly hire employees, I haveyetto bring in someone that tells me they havenatural tallent and can do the job. You are either going to need a degree orjob history.

I say both!!! Knowing how to Bull$hit (Natural Talent) AND College degree.
As for me - I'm skipping the college degree for now and getting into real estate. I will need my associates to become an appraiser however.
OH GOD, I can see it now, everyone is going to tell me how bad the market is and that I'm making a bad choice. If you feel that way go ahead and challenge me but you probably don't have a great graspy on the real estate market or the economy anyway. :D

ahh, silly noob, we don't bump threads that are 6 months old

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ahh, silly noob, we don't bump threads that are 6 months old


LMAOOOO WHAT A FREAKIN LOSER 03TERMY IS!!!!! I bet he didn't even look to see how old this thread is. WHAT a waste of life. His mother should have gotten an abortion!

no need to be disrespectful

you're new here so you don't know these things yet. I'm just letting you know that its frowned upon

ORIGINAL: Joolander

no need to be disrespectful

you're new here so you don't know these things yet. I'm just letting you know that its frowned upon



None taken :D! I was just being stupid and didn't look at how old this thread was... I found it at the bottom of another thread as a related topic. But I will be more diligent to make sure I don't make the same newb mistake lol.
OH and I made a new post about the moderators. Go check it out! And just know that I am just trying to have fun with that post and not trying to disrespect the moderators with it. I have complete resect for all the moderators and I don't want to break any of the sites rules.