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If you have this you're set for life career wise.
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(last vote on : 10/30/2007 9:39:06 PM)
(Poll ended: 10/31/2007 3:15:00 AM)
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 4:17:27 PM
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USMC1775
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Its a package deal. In order to be successful, you need a college degree and then be able to **** to get the job. Resume gets you noticed, its you that gets the job.
hey! that's not the question. that's the kind of answer a bullsh*tter would give. 
Well I voted for both a degree and the ability to **** 
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 4:31:42 PM
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I think you guys are overlooking certification. In the 21st century there is such a high demand for people in certain fields with particular skills, that a hs diploma or GED and a cert from a community college can get a well paying, stable career. Welders for example, technicians in MANY fields from automotive, to oil and natural gas, to medical/dental etc. I've met plenty of retards with degrees, and plenty of people without degrees that have mad skillz. I'm more concerned about someone's ability to interact with others and get the job done with reliability, than their ability to produce a piece of paper that says they're educated. Remember Albert Einstein? He failed out of high school, and all his degrees were honorary, he never actually completed a university course to get them.
Granting that though, yes, a degree does help because it does show that you can at least finish something, if nothing else. But I do think that often too much emphasis is placed on "higher education," especially when you look at the current state of America's University systems. Some of the greatest minds in history in their particular fields, would be classified as uneducated, mainly because they were telling the educated that they were wrong so they became marginalized, only to later be proven correct.
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RE: If you have this you're set for life career wise. - 10/30/2007 4:45:22 PM
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Oxnard Montalvo
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A. College Degree.
B. Know someone in a higher position.
C. Knowing how to Bull$hit (Natural Talent.)
A says what you've done.
B says who you know.
C says who you are. And who you are decides what you become. A major league Bullschitter is at the top of life's game. Natural Talent.
If its degrees you want a Bullschitter might say he's got six degrees. And a Slinger who's a pro will make you believe it. He'll believe it himself.
If it's a matter of connections a top notch Bullschitter will convince you he knows whomever he needs to know. He's good remember? He could convince you he knows you.
If called on anything the man with the golden tongue will always have a way out. And no where is it written this Natural Talent is a bad thing. It's an ability to think on your feet. The BS artist knows how to overcome whatever is in his way.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 4:49:38 PM
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redass02gt
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I think you guys are overlooking certification. In the 21st century there is such a high demand for people in certain fields with particular skills, that a hs diploma or GED and a cert from a community college can get a well paying, stable career. Welders for example, technicians in MANY fields from automotive, to oil and natural gas, to medical/dental etc. I've met plenty of retards with degrees, and plenty of people without degrees that have mad skillz. I'm more concerned about someone's ability to interact with others and get the job done with reliability, than their ability to produce a piece of paper that says they're educated. Remember Albert Einstein? He failed out of high school, and all his degrees were honorary, he never actually completed a university course to get them.
Granting that though, yes, a degree does help because it does show that you can at least finish something, if nothing else. But I do think that often too much emphasis is placed on "higher education," especially when you look at the current state of America's University systems. Some of the greatest minds in history in their particular fields, would be classified as uneducated, mainly because they were telling the educated that they were wrong so they became marginalized, only to later be proven correct.
there are always exceptions. generally speaking, this is not true.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 5:12:32 PM
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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 5:18:06 PM
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Oxnard Montalvo
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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.
Yes, but in general you will hit a pay ceiling and have little room for advancement above a "nuts and bolts" position. Companies don't use engineers in high level management positions. You get locked in.
If you want to make a LOT of money as an engineer you better be ready for a ton of travel.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 5:29:24 PM
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I don't know a single person who is in the engineering field because they dreamed of being in high level management and dealing with business people and their BS all day long. if that's what they wanted, they should've been in marketing or some other business field. that said, there is no shortage of engineering jobs paying six figures, you can find them all over monster.com.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:04:54 PM
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Oxnard Montalvo
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Your singling out engineering. It is a fine field. It is also one of many, many degrees. Most degree programs do not afford the opportunities that engineering does.
A low six figure income these days is middle class at best. The first figure for most engineers is going to be a one. And the next figure is going to be three or lower unless you become a department head. That's not too shabby, in fact it's wonderful, but for the guy with the true gift of gab the sky's the limit. Such a person may also have a degree in sociology or something fairly useless, and he may also know people, but it's his razzle dazzle that will take him to the top. Now don't get me wrong because I can't stand either one of the jags, but think about Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:12:05 PM
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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.
but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks
I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day
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the 2 guys would have to be related or I wouldn't swallow their semen.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:19:22 PM
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redass02gt
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you can live very well anywhere in the world with a low six figure income. I'm not really sure what your point is by saying a college degree will never get you a job that pays millions a year unless you can ****, you're talking about the exceptions, not generalities. there are exceptions to every rule. if you can **** but your resume doesn't catch anyone's attention, you'll never get your foot in the door to begin with.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:21:23 PM
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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.
but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks
I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day
they obviously didn't look to aerospace. if I knew somebody with a 4.0 out of college, I could get them a decent paying job tomorrow.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:23:14 PM
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USMC1775
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The trick is....stealing stuff from work.
We had to throw out a couple kiosks that we used to use, and they both had these REALLY nice 15' LCD touchscreens. Ripped'em out, and am selling them on ebay.
Other auctions have these things at $160 at 3 days left.
Cha-CHING baby!!!!
If I were you Id keep that on the D/L, otherwise youre goin to jail, big guy. My old boss got busted for selling stolen snowboards from work on ebay.
Plus - now youre on the radar of the Transformers.... they know you now. Sorry... just watched that last night.
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RE: Agree or Disagree - 10/30/2007 6:23:33 PM
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drhoward
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if you get a degree in engineering and you have a 4.0, you don't need to be able to talk to a single soul, you will get hired and you will make good money out of school. that's a FACT.
but I graduated with a much lower gpa but I have lots of expereince and I am able to comunicate with other humans on a personal level which guaranteed me a good paying job, its not just marks
I know several people with higher gpa's than me that had a much harder time finding a job than I did out of school because they were such losers no one would want to have them in their work place every day
they obviously didn't look to aerospace. if I knew somebody with a 4.0 out of college, I could get them a decent paying job tomorrow.
I am in civil we typically have to deal with people construction workers, developers etc
and besides if you do want to move up it is typically into managment where you do need inter personal skill not just technical knowhow
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the 2 guys would have to be related or I wouldn't swallow their semen.
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