Bogalu

My 69mustang has a 351w in it now. I heard clevelends were much better. Would my existing motor mounts allow me to put a clevelend in there? Also I have power steering, power brakes, ac compressor, and heater in my car now. Will they just bolt onto a clevelend like they do my windsor? Also is it worth upgrading to a clevelend? Im going to by a crate motor so if a clevelend is betterI thoughtwhy not? If it is worth the upgrade what would be involved in modifications to get the clevelend to drop in there?

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dodgestang

Build what you own, it is always cheaper

This is a well debated issue. Search will net you plenty of results. I am sure plenty of others will also sound of again. Have fun figuring out opinions and facts

Yes, 351c is a small black ford

Yes, 351c is a small block ford

This is a well debated issue. Search will net you plenty of results. I am sure plenty of others will also sound of again. Have fun figuring out opinions and facts. On this specific issue my opinion based on research of costs to build 408 strokers tells me it is cheapest to build what you have. When you switch from one to the other you have the added costs of sourcing the additional parts (like a block).

351w is your mule here, the reason being is you can't buy a cleveland crate motor that I am aware of.

There are no changes needed to the car to remove one small block fold and install a difference small block ford.



ps I like 'em both but never through away something that is perfectly good IMO.

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Deviousfred

I would keep the Windsor. If you plan on doing any kind of performance upgrades I think Windsors respond better and there is a lot more available. I remember reading somewhere a while back that the ports on the Cleveland 4V heads were way too ridiculous for street. If you're going with a crte motor I say definitely stick with a Windsor. Just my opinion.

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67mustang302

Yeah, it's always cheaper to build what you already have

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Bogalu

I've heard that saying so many times like "it wouldn't be street car with that much power" or "it would be ridiculous on the street" but I don't quite understand those sayings. Would it be so fast that you couldn't even step on the pedel without peeling out, or would it be real squirly on the street? Please elaborate because I was hoping to get a 351w stroked out to a 427. I was gonna go for a 408 but a little extra money for a gain of 40 horses and some torque, you cant go wrong. But is 500 horsepower and a little over 500 torque gonna be too radical for street driving. Because its gonna be a daily driver for sure, but I wanna smoke any little rice burner on the street with a real car... the best classic muscle made. lol The only problem is that I don't want to take my car out of commission, thats why I was just gonna buy a new crate engine and just take the old 351w out of it and sell it to someone. Its not the original engine anyway. That way I don't have to stop driving it while its getting a new engine instead of modifying the current one and be out of commission for a while.

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67mustang302

It depends, some people think 300hp is a lot, others think 700hp is nothing. How much is too much depends on how the car is setup. If you have enough traction and driving skill for 700hp, then it's not "too much" provided it's something that can be driven practically(ie, doesn't need special fuel, meets legal requirements, isn't extremely difficult to drive - such as poor part throttle power when leaving stops etc). A lot of it comes down to suspension. 200hp could be too much with crappy suspension and tires, it won't hook and may handle like crap. Provided power doesn't exceed traction to the point where you can't control it or have to be ever so careful when you drive it, then I wouldn't consider it too much

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Bogalu

I understand. So if you have good suspension, traction, ect. Then 500 horses can handle just like a lexus with 250 horses, but of couse a lot faster. lol

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67mustang302

With the right setup, yes. There is a point where that no longer is true though. Trying to get 5,000hp to get traction with street tires won't happen obviously

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dodgestang

I consider this statement to be a fact, but I am sure it will be debated anyway "Vintage mustang will never handle like a Lexus unless you do something drastic like take your vintage sheetmetal and graft it onto a late model mustang and then spend a pile of money on that late model upgrading it. Regardless of suspension upgrades on an old mustang (which can be made to perform extremely well) the Lexus will have a few other things like anti lock brakes, traction control, depending on the model all wheel drive, etc... that unless you are planning HUGE changes to the car, you will never have."

A 500 HP 427 stroker powered vintage mustang will out accelerate many cars on the road however it is not an ideal setup for a daily driver for a couple of reasons.
1. A 427 (strokers in general and the 427 inparticular) will not be a 100k mile motor and generally there is a direct coorelation to the amount of money you spend building it to how many miles it will last for you.
2. A N/A carbed 500 HP will get poor gas mileage making for a rather expensive daily driver
3. A N/A carbed 500 HP will have poor street manners

I have a 410 cleveland in my 65 and it puts out close to 400 at the back tire. As soon as it rain (or snows) the car becomes more than a hand full to drive. I am not saying you can't, but if you want to build something at this level and use it for a daily driver you need to remember to also sink not just 6k min into the motor but another 12-20k into the car. Personally though if I had to have it as a daily drive I would do an EFI and forced induction on a standard stroke setup (or maybe a smaller 393 stroke).

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Hawkins 812

Interesting thread. I agree with dodgestang and 67mustang302. IMO- theres no since in spending money/time for such a small(if any) gain. Put that money into the windsor you currently own and afterwards there wont be any comparison between the two.

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