nice car but the numbers seem a little off to me. i've seen a coulple of books and one had it running 11.7@147mph. now maybe it me but 450-480hp and 440tq is all good the zo6's i've seen that ran 11.1's and 11.2's had about 129-135mph and i've seen stock tire ones and a couple with intakes and exhaust.. i'll just wait and se when they get to relly testing them and see what happens then.
hell for 80 grand i'll keep my 2 stangs and truck. 90gt running 11.45@119mph ang my 96gt's getting heart surgery as i write this 351windsor 409stroked and charged.
Funny to hear someone complain about a ford fan boy...this is a mustang forum afterall... Yeah the skyline may grab better in the snow but heck, i'd rather my (imaginary) GT500 be clean in the dustless and temperature controlled garage. Heck, when I get my 08 in the spring, I won't even want that to see the snow or rain. Though it will, ggggrrrr...., haven't won the lotto yet and can't quite afford a junker.
Jap cars, bleh....they may look cool but imho they are kitty cars....nothing beats the sounds of raw V8 power and torque. Just the sound of a mustang idling gets me excited. Makes me want to race. You start a jap car and I usually want to laugh or call a doctor because it sounds sick. Most of the ones out hear sounds like angry weed whackers. Yeah they may get down the tracker faster, but it's just as awesome to sit there and watch the car smoke 'em...knowing that if only it hooked up it would have won the race. But hey everyone is entitled to what they want and like, me personally... I wouldn't be caught owning anything less then 8 cylinders or anything non-american other then German made.
Over 400 hp for the car eh? how much torque? that's the number that impresses me. I thought i read somewhere that for 10k more this year you can get the shelby upgraded to a KR? Power rating was like 638hp when Shelby was interviewed. The way it read was like he laughed at that number, almost as if he was hiding the real potential....
Only reason I "complained" about a fanboy is that there is a difference between sticking by what you like because you like it vs calling something else crap because it's not on the right "bandwagon". I like my Mustang, but, my money goes to what I like. Just because I don't like a certain car doesn't mean I'm going to bag on it because it's not on the Stang bandwagon. I would just as soon buy a new BMW M3 over a Mustang (if I had the money).
The other thing you have to consider is that the "fanboy" mentality is what's killing american cars. Like when we thought that the Boat cars of the 70's era were the ****z (while imports went small). What happened to that? Domestics lost all their traction and have been trying to regain it since. Same goes with the "bigger is better" mentality (V8 is always better cos it's bigger than a V6...) Okay that's fine but with the new CAFE restriction coming up, one of two things is going to have to happen. Either domestics are going to have to drop V8 engines in favor of a highly engineered V6 with the same power output to keep prices stable, or people will need to Pony up (no pun inteded) $40K for a Mustang GT that has a V8 that meets standards while still dealing with medicore quality. Sorry but at 40K (if that's what they go to) I'll go with something else that has a better interior and better fit-n-finish on the panels than the domestics. Mustang GTs are nice/cool but not 40K worth (unless it's the GT500 for ~$45K which would be more like ~55K at that point).
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I just want to ask...who here has a mustang that can go from 0-60 in 3.3 seconds? Anyone? Didn't think so, and please for the love of God don't say the Steeda drag racer or some company car that has tons more money put into it. Bottom line, this think will rape the current corvette and might even give the ZR1 a run for its money....commense your flaming ignorance.
I agree, the Zr-1 is going to be a beast, then again, you will need slicks or radials to catch up in my opinion...you can't win a race without traction. Then again, you think the Nissan is going to have a dealer markup..........Yeah, the zr-1 is going to be in used lambo price range when chevey is done!
Edit: The paddle shifters and DSG help with the time as well! Im lazy, i dont want a clutch pedal But I will take either if they were given to me.
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^ I don't think the ZR-1 will have too much trouble making use of it's power. Out in the real world, though, where most races are roll-ons, the ZR-1 will decimate the GT-R. But rest assured, Nissan has something up it's sleeve. There will be lighter, more powerful versions in the near future. I personally am kind of put off by the GT-R's weight and lack of manual, but it doesn't matter, I can't afford anyway, lol. I'm more intersted in Nissan does to the Z.....
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^ I don't think the ZR-1 will have too much trouble making use of it's power. Out in the real world, though, where most races are roll-ons, the ZR-1 will decimate the GT-R. But rest assured, Nissan has something up it's sleeve. There will be lighter, more powerful versions in the near future. I personally am kind of put off by the GT-R's weight and lack of manual, but it doesn't matter, I can't afford anyway, lol. I'm more intersted in Nissan does to the Z.....
I don't see how when the twin turbo system has a flat TQ curve from 2250 up, there is no "peak" or "ideal" RPM to get all the TQ out of any twin turbo. The ZR1 if I'm not mistaken will be using a S/C, those are progressive boost/progressive power. Depending on what RPM the roll is initiated will impact the outcome.
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^ Be that as it may, the Corvette is prolly gonna have a 50whp advantage, and it'll be some 450~ pounds lighter. I love the new GT-R, but I'm just being realistic. Of course, once the aftermarket support is there, and there are some tuned GT-R's runing around, it's anyone's game....
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^ Be that as it may, the Corvette is prolly gonna have a 50whp advantage, and it'll be some 450~ pounds lighter. I love the new GT-R, but I'm just being realistic. Of course, once the aftermarket support is there, and there are some tuned GT-R's runing around, it's anyone's game....
Sorry to say, but no you really aren't being realistic...This seems to be heading in the collector corvette type of market. It will be low volume, hard to find, high markup, and extremely expensive from the beginning. Not to say that this won't happen to the Gt-r, but I think Nissan will be able to handle more than that because its being built for higher middle class people, where as the corvette is a rich collectors toy, that will probably not see the full potential of whats its ment to be used for. I think you might actually see some sort of LS9 crate engine swap into a Z06 before you actually see someone driving around a real ZR-1 in person. Furthermore I don't mean to bash the corvette, but no matter what suspension you put on a corvette, it still won't be able to outhandle the GT-R (sorry to all you drag junkies).
People that will be able to afford the ZR-1 will probably also be able to get a GT-R too, so lets get back on topic, and let this zr-1 crap rest...otherwise go make another forum for it.
Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
Moral of the story- your argument is moot...
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Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
Moral of the story- your argument is moot...
So, I am ending it, do you see the circle? This is about the Nissan, so I think we should get back to it....REGARDLESS if i brought it up. I recall seing a number of 2000 per year being posted for ZR-1 production are you fricking kidding me that nissan would make less for a full run production car. A rear wheel drivevehicle will never out perform an AWD car in 0-60 (unless you have slicks), skidpad, handleing G's etc. Not everyone is an expert drag driver either...Corvette hard to launch, GT-R - idiot proof. (perfect for you). Yes it probably will win from a roll, maybe a dig, but probably not around a track without modification. You sir are retarded for thinking I was trying to offend you, but you opened the box ass hole. And yes, if you can throw out the word- denial.
^ Haha, keep digging yourself a hole. Nissan is only bringing 1,500 GT-R's to the States in the first model year. Now, I don't know about you, but where I went to school at, 2,000 is more than 1,500. Your 0-60 agrument is weak-sauce. Do you really think Nissan made this car for 0-60 runs??? Of course not, so even IF the GT-R is quicker to 60, it doesn't mean anything. And anything after that, it's gonna get pulled like a freight train. And how the hell can you say it won't be as fast as the GT-R around a track, when the damn thing isn't even out yet??? Until it comes out and puts down numbers, you're doing nothing more than assuming and specualting. Which is what stupid fanboys do, asshole....
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Wtf are you talking about, you owned a Z for christ sake, and now an audi. I own a mustang, fanboy, grow up. I wasn't aware of only 1,500 GT-R's so your right, but regardless....the Zr-1 will probably only exist for a 2 year run...I guess its all how you look at it. You are also thinking about drag racing, I was talking about a road coarse....I've already stated the zr-1 will destroy a gt-r if it gets traction, what more do you want. I can say its faster around a road coarse because it has got the aspects of a succesful auto-cross car. Your also obviously speculating about the ZR-1 it will be so much faster, blah blah blah...it takes two to argue and you really suck because you point out your own flaws (the fact that we are both speculation)...pull some other information out of your head stuffed asshole, horsepower isnt everything. Secondly, if 0-60 doesnt matter, then maybe 60' doesnt either? right?
Yeah, I owned a 350Z. And I own an Audi. And I've owned two Dodges, an Accord, and a Trans Am WS6. What's your point??? How am I the fanboy??? I'm not just referring to drag-racing, I'm referring to nearly every performance aspect. The ZR-1 is lighter, more powerful, has a higher-top speed, will be quicker, and I think it will probably outperform the GT-R on a circuit as well. Yeah, the GT-R has a lot of fine-tuned suspension and handling components, I never said it didn't. And for the record, just because a car is a good auto-crosser, doesn't mean it will be good on a road course. And here's the difference in our speculation- The car I'M talking about already has a SLOWER version of it in production which has put up quicker 1/4 times, and has yet to proven to have a disadvantage handling-wise to the car YOU are talking about. So now, let's throw on bigger brakes, more hardcore supsension, 100+ extra horsepower, well, you see where I'm going w/ this. Hopefully. I never took any of your posts as a personal attack, and was just discussing the topic. You were the one who started dropping the insults and resorted to name-calling. And your proving my point even further by arguing about statements that were never made. Where did I say horsepower was everything???? Where did I say 0-60 or 60' doesn't matter??? I said "even if the GT-R is quicker to 60, it doesn't mean anything." And it doesn't. Theres a lot more performance abilities to compare between the two other just acceleration. Just because one's quicker, doesn't make it the better car. Go do some research, learn how to f#cking read, and come back when you have some legit reasoning behind your pathetic attempt at an intelligent rebuttal.....
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Well where to begin? Ok let's judge the book by the cover. It certainly is not anything exotic looking, nor does it have a muscle car look to it. Sorry, It looks very domestic and to even consider that it will attract women because of the way it looks or sounds is almost a joke.
Fastest All Wheel Drive car? Really? I believe the Ferrari FXX is AWD, it has over 600hp and weighs a bit over 1 ton. I sincerly doubt the Skyline can even dream of competing at that level.
When I first saw it I thought it was a domestic. Then I saw the price tag and pretty much laughed. Then I saw the spec's and I laughed even harder. Reading the Magazine articles reminded me on how fictional Motor Trend and Car and Driver can be. Yes it is AWD, but there is a formula of weight to Horsey power to determine trap speeds. At close to 4000lbs the Nissan will need much more than 430hp to break a 12 second 1/4 mile. Not to mention that AWD has a large amount of drive train powerloss. 430 hp at the crank on AWD is more like 350hp at the wheels. Then again Nissan has been known to hype up their products and then ride the sales, until people start talking how over rated their product actually is.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
1) The Ferrari FXX is not awd. It has 800hp. It weighs 2,500lbs.
2) The GT-R is not even desgned to compete w/ the FXX, or any other Ferrari.
3) The GT-R may not look exotic, but it looks unique.
4) The GT-R doesn't look like a muscle car because- GASP!!- it's NOT a muscle car.
5) No one claimed it to be the fastest awd car in the world.
6) You laughed at it's specs and price??? Really?? Is that because it runs neck and neck w/ and performs cars costing MUCH more than it does??
7) The car doesn't have 430hp. It's rated at 473hp. But it's underrated. They've been dynoing around 470hp. So they're actually in the neighborhood of 565 crank hp. More than enough to break 11's, let alone 12's.
8) You're right, Nissan always overhypes their cars. And they always turn out to be a disappointment. Like the 350Z, the 300ZXTT, the 240Z, the previous Skyline GT-R's, the Silvias, their various SE-R's. Yeah, they're ALL SO overrated....
Stick to the topics in which you actually have a little bit of knowledge, n00b.....
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Dude, if you actually read what I said, you in fact were the first to start the argument, and you just did it with this guy....quit picking apart everyones god damn thread in the first place. n00b etc etc, i pwn in cars omg, thats weaksauce argument. Your facts maybe correct but your attitude is not...Say stuff with some tact, not "your argument is moot, that means nothing, etc." Didn't see a ford on your list tho....go buy one or quit posting and talking crap to MUSTANG enthusiasts....guess im a ford fanboy too....yeah i am...o well.
Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
Moral of the story- your argument is moot...
Read my post above, and tell me what part of it is insulting, disrespectful, or derogatory??? I said your arguement was moot because I was never arguing w/ you to begin w/. I was just discussing the topic. You're the one who had to get butt-hurt, and resort to name calling and go on the offensive. Where did I pick apart anyone's thread or post other than yours??? And I didn't do so until you got all immature and srarted spouting misinformation in an attempt to 'win' a nonexistent arguement w/ me. All you just did w/ that post was again put words in my mouth. The Zan guy's post was an absolute disaster, and was spoken w/ more authority than anything I posted. It deserved to get tor apart. And considering he was ragging the car which you are so quick to praise, I don't see what your bitching about. And actually, I have owned a Ford. A 4wd Ranger. And I'm buying a Terminator this summer. Not that it matters. Why do I have to own a certain kind of car to be able correct people's narrow-minded, speculative, posts that are full of fallacies and misinfo??? I'm not talking crap to Mustang ethusiasts, I'm talking crap to jerks who feel like they have something to prove. Read- YOU....
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Hey buddy, guess what???YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
Moral of the story- your argument is moot...
This is getting annoying so I'll end it. But just to point out that you aren't perfect either and you contributed to the climate in the thread.
Disrespect due to elitist comments and assuming (which you just accused me off), and in the second case sarcasm and mocking me: At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial. Moral of the story- your argument is moot... (who are you to judge if all my arguments are out of place)
Around here if you say hey buddy, in the tone im thinking....that means your picking an argument or a fight.
Hey buddy, guess what???YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place.
Once again, if you dont think you are being hypocritical in anyway you are foolish, but since in this case YOU wont let it go and you wont quit until YOU win the argument...I concede, you are extremely superior in all car knowledge and my arguments suck because you don't agree.
Hey buddy, guess what???YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
Moral of the story- your argument is moot...
This is getting annoying so I'll end it. But just to point out that you aren't perfect either and you contributed to the climate in the thread.
Disrespect due to elitist comments and assuming (which you just accused me off), and in the second case sarcasm and mocking me: At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.
^ Notice I didn't say YOU were biased or narrowminded, I said to say it won't is an example of that. Meaning that to make such a claim w/ no evidence is denial. If you didn't do that, why'd you take offense???
Moral of the story- your argument is moot... (who are you to judge if all my arguments are out of place)
^ I'm one to tell you your arguemnet is moot because you arguing w/ me for no reason. I was just comparing the two cars' performance, and you for some reason felt the need to turn it into a grudge match. I was trying to prevent one.
Around here if you say hey buddy, in the tone im thinking....that means your picking an argument or a fight.
Hey buddy, guess what???YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place.
It wasn't meant to come off like that. You just took it out of context. It was at that point when you went and got an attitude w/ me. I just found it odd for you to tell me to stop talking about something you brought up, that's all. There was no reason for you to start the name-calling and insults.
Once again, if you dont think you are being hypocritical in anyway you are foolish, but since in this case YOU wont let it go and you wont quit until YOU win the argument...I concede, you are extremely superior in all car knowledge and my arguments suck because you don't agree.
I don't see how I was being hypocritical persay, I was just trying to make my case. You went from making legitimate posts that I was simply countering, to dealing out these statements and accusations to win a pointless fued. I never said I have more car knowledge than you. I never said your arguements suck because I disagree w/ them. Your arguement sucked becuase you took it too far. If you had just asked how I meant my statement to be taken, instead of assuming I was trying to be rude and condescending, the battle would have never reached this point. I was just trying to discuss the topic. You said I wasn't being realistic and supported your claim w/ wrong info, and in an authoritive manner. So I simply disagreed, and in a slightly more witty way. I NEVER resort to outright insults or being disrepectful, unless someone else does it first. I may have disagrred w/ you said, but I would not have called you names or been rude. There was no reason to turn this into a pissing match. You just got a little carried away in reaching your conclusion that I was an asshole. If you had just repied in a normal manner, you'd have seen that I never intended to disgredit you, but just correct and rebut a few things you said.
Jeez, dude, it has nothing to do w/ me trying to assert some kind of supremacy or knowledge. I was disagreeing w/ what you had to say, and was doing so in what I though was reasonable manner. While I have been a little sarcastic or snappy, that's just my norm, it was in no means in hopes to provoke the personal battle that ensued.....
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RE: A new breed of evil...2009 Nissan Skyline GT-R - 
.......Yeah, the zr-1 is going to be in used lambo price range when chevey is done! 
But I will take either if they were given to me. 
