So I've heard mutterings lately of the debut of the revamped Skyline GT-R to be released in the US late 2008. At a projected 450 AWHP mid-engine V-6 TwinTurbocar really sounds like the GT500, Z06 and Porsche have their work cut out for them. I'm kind of anxious to seethe GT500KR and this beast would would fair in an all out drag from a dig...at a course of course. :)

i thought that there were talks of a V8 in the new skyline...

nope twin turbo 3.8L V6
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123099

80,000 dollar piece of ****...............Nissan next to VW builds the worse cars on the road.............

ORIGINAL: redlinedrummer

80,000 dollar piece of ****...............Nissan next to VW builds the worse cars on the road.............


Oh god another ford fanboy. :eek:

ROTM: They had talked about a V8 in the new Nissan in the very beginning but as of the protoype in Japan earlier this year it's a twin turbo V6. Flat torque curve like the BMW 335i and won't run out of steam at higher RPM.

In any case I'm looking forward to seeing these at the track and seeing how they fair against our cars.

...mine in particular

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh not a Ford Fan boy Moron!!!!! The numbers on this car have been exaggerated (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkx5.SyJH8tQA539XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE5bnZzb2p sBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0RGUjVfMTIyB GwDV1Mx/SIG=124ernhou/EXP=1193516286/**http%3a//www.infoplease.com/dictionary/exaggerated) to the point of it becoming a joke..........

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.garage.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.act.r34.1.500.jpg

Looks Pretty Sweet to me. All wheel Drive with over 400HP would own everything.

I'm looking forward to seeing it in the U.S. should be one hell of a car.

They can keep it. American all the way for me.

its a nice looking car...but its not 80k of nice.

Does anyone else think that it kind of looks like the scion car?

I call them the "SuperRicer"!!! Anyway, for the cost, they should damn sure be fast!!!

as nice and powerful as they are the japanese still havent solved the awd launch problem

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I had a R33 Skyline once, and it's not hard to romp on an American car with one of these bad boys.

Some of the features my spy's have tould me may be on the edition are listed...

520bhp
AWD with rear turning wheels
Twin Turbo with Porshe "zero lag" styled turbines
Quad 4 inch exhaust
Also despite being a Jap car, Nissan is the ****. If I was to buy anything not american Nissan is my first choice, their trucks and average cars are a bit ehh, but their sports cars are very well built.

The block is also a thing of many tales, because I've heard of kits already being issued that stroke it to 4 liters if not stock. And I've heard of several other rumours, but I'd not believe them, Nissan is pulling a Pearl Harbour, this car is the 429 Boss Mustang of Nissan's arsenal, if you see one, I'd hope you where packing big cuz these cars are going to be run very hard straight off the lot, and having driven one, their not bad at all, but I'd prefer a Mustang that was there when I tould it to go. The feel was lacking when I first tried my current GT(meaning theNissan R33 I had was lacking)which is going to be my new hobby very soon.

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http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.garage.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.act.r34.1.500.jpg

Looks Pretty Sweet to me. All wheel Drive with over 400HP would own everything.
Hardly. With it's complicated AWD it will be HEAVY, and 400 hp for $75k, what are theythinking.Plus the whatever markups the dealers add on. That's Vette and Viper territory, not Mustang. But the GT500 will smoke this thing for $20k less.

ORIGINAL: eviljeanyis

With it's complicated AWD it will be HEAVY,


Not neccisarily. The Germans have made plenty of AWD vehicles that were light too.

+ as long as it's not as heavy as the mustangs, it should be super fast.

At any rate, I agree on price, the GT500 is prob a much better buy. But AWD handling...*drool*

guy around the corner from me has a new skyline, its nice and all but I think nissan is lame for having three similar vehicles: Infiniti g35, nissan 350z, nissan skyline. Skyline looked hawt before, why fix something thats not broken.

Thaicobra, I must disagree again. Tho there are some lite awd cars, this will not be one of them. Nissan is already boasting how technologically advanced this car will be. To the world that is a sales pitch, but all I hear is "it going to have lots of gadgets that require lots of wiring and weigh alot." Things such as rear wheel steering devices, active yaw controlers, and traction control. Short story, I'm not worried about one pulling up next to me.

ORIGINAL: eviljeanyis

Thaicobra, I must disagree again.Â* Tho there are some lite awd cars, this will not be one of them.Â* Nissan is already boasting how technologically advanced this car will be.Â* To the world that is a sales pitch, but all I hear is "it going to have lots of gadgets that require lots of wiring and weigh alot."Â* Things such as rear wheel steering devices, active yaw controlers, and traction control.Â* Short story, I'm not worried about one pulling up next to me.


I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like all those Bentleys...400 HP!...and it only weighs 5,000 lbs!

that may be the case. time will tell.

Have alot of mixed opinions on this beast. 80 grand is alot for this car but then again it does something that you can do with a GT500, go through snow;). Dont get me wrong id rather build my fox to be faster then both but if I had all the money in the world id think aboot one.

if i had all the money in the world i wouldnt look at the GT-R. Id fix up my 67 all nice nice and race ready, buy a SSC Ultimate Aero TT, and quench my jap thirst with a screamin AE86 Sprinter Trueno.

Well when you are spending that kind of money for a car. Huh look at it well you got the GT500s coming out what are they gonna run around 50 grand ok well you got 30 grand more to put in you stang to compete with that rice burner. With 30 grand you could smoke him

I like that car a lot, until I learned about the price tag on one of those. 80k...
But just imagine the schmuck driving it... He'll think he is the fastest thing on earth because he is in a skyline...

ORIGINAL: BWfVA

Well when you are spending that kind of money for a car. Huh look at it well you got the GT500s coming out what are they gonna run around 50 grand ok well you got 30 grand more to put in you stang to compete with that rice burner. With 30 grand you could smoke him



Sad to say but with another 1-2K the Sklyline wouldprobably keep door to door with a highly modded GT500. Twin turbo anything has a flat TQ curve from a fairly low RPM close to redline. Unless the Stang grabs solid asphalt from the git-go (not likely with RWD and a lot of mods) you're going to spinning at the line while the Skyline runs away.

I agree though, the Skyline would be great for a weekend driver (as in, if I had the money to blow) otherwise I'll stick to a stang or vette for dd :D

Funny to hear someone complain about a ford fan boy...this is a mustang forum afterall... Yeah the skyline may grab better in the snow but heck, i'd rather my (imaginary) GT500 be clean in the dustless and temperature controlled garage. Heck, when I get my 08 in the spring, I won't even want that to see the snow or rain. Though it will, ggggrrrr...., haven't won the lotto yet and can't quite afford a junker.

Jap cars, bleh....they may look cool but imho they are kitty cars....nothing beats the sounds of raw V8 power and torque. Just the sound of a mustang idling gets me excited. Makes me want to race. You start a jap car and I usually want to laugh or call a doctor because it sounds sick. Most of the ones out hear sounds like angry weed whackers. Yeah they may get down the tracker faster, but it's just as awesome to sit there and watch the car smoke 'em...knowing that if only it hooked up it would have won the race. But hey everyone is entitled to what they want and like, me personally... I wouldn't be caught owning anything less then 8 cylinders or anything non-american other then German made.

Over 400 hp for the car eh? how much torque? that's the number that impresses me.
I thought i read somewhere that for 10k more this year you can get the shelby upgraded to a KR? Power rating was like 638hp when Shelby was interviewed. The way it read was like he laughed at that number, almost as if he was hiding the real potential....

I was in Barnes and Noble in the mall on Saturday night, saw Beowulf :), and a magazine had this on the cover. It was Motor trend or Road and Track or something like that. It said "Corvette Killler" on the front. I was compelled to read of course, and I kinda laughed.

It said the 0 - 60 was 3.8 and the 1/4 was 11.7

That's pretty fast for stock. Two problems though. The Z06 that's the same price as this car, has a 0 - 60 of 3.8 and a 1/4 of 11.7, by the same magazine. I thought it was funny they called it a "killer" when it was exactly the same. Also, the most important fact, was that beside the 0 - 60 and 1/4 times it had parenthesis which looked like this:

(mf est.)

That means "manufacturer estimate".

It blew my mind that this magazine was telling everyone that it blows away Corvettes based off of what Nissan "says" the car will do, and even though it matches their own Corvette numbers.

Yes, if correct, those numbers are fast, but about right for that price.





It still remians the same that you can spend $25,000 on a Mustang GT, go drop 6-7k on a good blower and tires, and make faster times. I mean, look at Brenspeed. they have stock autos running low 11's after only the blower and drag radial tires added. Come on Nissan, where's the bang for buck attribute? Not in the Z, and not in this car. :eek:

- C

It is fairly ignorant to call this car "Evil". It is a respectable car with a long history in Japan dating back to 1969. But i guess no one can change your minds on a Mustang Forum. This is what a nissan enthusiast says: " Ive always liked the sound of a turbo. They always make my head turn but I also love the grunt of a powerful V8." Respect. :)

These are the specs from Nissan of USA of the Japanese spec GT-R.

Specifications
Engine • VR-series twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6.
• 480 hp @ 6,800 rpm. 430 lb-ft torque @ 3,200–5,200 rpm.
• Dual overhead camshafts with variable intake-valve timing.
• Cast aluminum cylinder block with high-endurance/low-friction plasma-sprayed bores.
• IHI twin turbochargers, one per cylinder bank.
• Pressurized lubrication system with thermostatically controlled cooling.

Drivetrain
• ATTESA ET-S All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with independent rear-mounted transaxle integrating transmission, differential and AWD transfer case.
• Rigid, lightweight carbon-composite driveshaft between engine and transaxle.
• Electronic traction control plus 1.5-way mechanically locking rear differential.
• Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC-R) with three driver-selectable settings: Normal (for daily driving, controls brakes and engine output), R-Mode (for ultimate performance, utilizes AWD torque distribution for additional vehicle stability) and Off (driver does not want the help of the system).
• Hill Start Assist prevents rollback when starting on an incline. DisclaimerVDC-R cannot prevent accidents due to abrupt steering, carelessness, or dangerous driving techniques. Always drive safely. (http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.html#)[/align]

Transmission
• 6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with three driver-selectable modes: Normal (for maximum smoothness and efficiency), Snow (for gentler starting and shifting on slippery surfaces), and R mode (for maximum performance with fastest shifts).
• Fully automatic shifting or full sequential manual control via gearshift or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
• Dual clutch design changes gears in less than 0.5 second (0.2 second in R mode).
• Downshift Rev Matching (DRM).
• Predictive pre-shift control (in R mode) based on throttle position, vehicle speed, braking and other information.

Wheels and Tires
• 20 x 9.5" (front) and 20 x 10.5" (rear) super-lightweight forged-aluminum wheels with Gunmetal Gray finish.
• Exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Bridgestone® RE070A high-capacity run-flat summer tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear.
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS).
• Optional exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Dunlop® run-flat all-season tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear (includes Bright Silver wheels).

Brakes
• Brembo® 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-wheel Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and Preview Braking.
• Two-piece floating-rotor 15-inch front and rear discs with diamond-pattern internal ventilation.
• 6-piston front/4-piston rear monoblock calipers.

Steering
• Rack-and-pinion steering with vehicle-speed-sensitive power assist.
• 2.6 steering-wheel turns lock-to-lock.

Suspension
• 4-wheel independent suspension with Bilstein® DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes: Normal/Sport (for automatic electronic control of damping), Comfort (for maximum ride comfort), and R mode (engages maximum damping rate for high-performance cornering).
• Electronically controlled variable-rate shock absorbers. High-accuracy progressive-rate coil springs.
• Front double-wishbone/rear multi-link configuration with aluminum members and rigid aluminum subframes.
• Hollow front and rear stabilizer bars.

Body/Chassis
• Exclusive Premium Midship platform with jig-welded hybrid unibody.
• Aluminum hood, trunk and door skins. Die-cast aluminum door structures.
• Carbon-reinforced front crossmember/radiator support.

More info and pictures:
http://www.gtrnissan.com/index.html

I don't know. It's smaller and has AWD and is the same speed, stock, as a Corvette, stock. I was just expecting more I suppose. Don't get me wrong, powerful, fast, yes. Maybe if it looked better. That's just my opinion of course.

With all the hype, I was just expecting much, much, much more. It's being hyped as the car of cars, but really it's just another overpriced, but fast, vehicle. Oh well. [&:]

- C

How can you possibly expect it to be faster for the price? It's faster around the Nurburgring than the C6 Z06, Porsche 997 GT3, Lamborghini Murciealago, and the Bugatti Veyron, and is nearly as fast as a Koenigsegg CCX, which has nearly 300hp more and weighs 1200 lbs less. This is a hell of a deal for $80,000, and there's still the aftermarket available....

ORIGINAL: Tytanium

How can you possibly expect it to be faster for the price? It's faster around the Nurburgring than the C6 Z06, Porsche 997 GT3, Lamborghini Murciealago, and the Bugatti Veyron, and is nearly as fast as a Koenigsegg CCX, which has nearly 300hp more and weighs 1200 lbs less. This is a hell of a deal for $80,000, and there's still the aftermarket available....


I call bull****.

i think that its going to be an awesome car first off.. is the juice worth the squeeze? if you consider how many that they are making, and the rarity let alone the following and legacy the skyline represents....if im rich, yes. if i am who i am, no. but i will gawk all day long and wish i had however much it will cost. hell ya. also, the market for these is obviously not a young one. this car is going to be the same as the saleen s7 and thae audi beast, so considering being "outside" the box, its a badass car.

ORIGINAL: BWfVA

Well when you are spending that kind of money for a car. Huh look at it well you got the GT500s coming out what are they gonna run around 50 grand ok well you got 30 grand more to put in you stang to compete with that rice burner. With 30 grand you could smoke him



^ Its comments like this that makes this whole thread seems close minded.
Look at all the technology going into this Skyline. Take 30K and put it in the GT500 to match the technology in the Skyline. on the flip side take all the tech goodies out leave the TT v6 AWD w/ 2 seater then see where it would stand ,NTM where the price would fall to. Im jus sayin if there are gonna be comparisons like that take the whole picture into consideration not just from a 1/4mi stand point.

ORIGINAL: ACE

Have alot of mixed opinions on this beast. 80 grand is alot for this car but then again it does something that you can do with a GT500, go through snow;). Dont get me wrong id rather build my fox to be faster then both but if I had all the money in the world id think aboot one.
Um, WHAT. No one that can afford to buy this car will put it through rain orsnow. They will be babied in climate controled garages.

I dunno.

It's not about rain or snow. It's about turning AND burning.
My mustang is gonna push in a straight line and is built not to break, but you gotta be honest. The nissan is made to go fast around a track.
for drag, i'll take the ford rear-end any day. but you can't win 'em all.

different competitions is all. it's a decent car.

lol at some peoples' posts.......[sm=icon_rofl.gif] [sm=chairshot.gif]

the new GTR is definitely badass but soo much money...

I read an article in AUTOMOBILE magazine and they posted 473hp/423tq and the car weighed in at a hefty 3800+ pounds even with light weight materials. That's going to be a fast car no doubt but to be able to take on a Z06 (I read the Corvette killer article too) or the Viper/GT500 is not going to happen with those numbers. Us Maro and GT boys may have a problem with this car on the streets but then again our cars didn't cost80K.

looks nice but i'll stick with my mustang, even though its slower being a stock GT. I'm happy with what i've got!

ORIGINAL: jEEd

the new GTR is definitely badass but soo much money...


A new GT500 with markup isn't that much less. Most of the dealers here in the midwest are marking up at least 15k for a GT500 and 5-10k for a shelby GT.

ORIGINAL: 5.0LitreSN95

I call bull****.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

tyranium
A new GT500 with markup isn't that much less. Most of the dealers here in the midwest are marking up at least 15k for a GT500 and 5-10k for a shelby GT.


You seriously think the $80,000 GTR won't have a mark up? heheheheheheehhhhhheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps. $90,000+, GT500 not much less? ha. Can I have a ticket to the world you live on? ;)

ORIGINAL: myredgt

tyranium
A new GT500 with markup isn't that much less. Most of the dealers here in the midwest are marking up at least 15k for a GT500 and 5-10k for a shelby GT.


You seriously think the $80,000 GTR won't have a mark up? heheheheheheehhhhhheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps. $90,000+, GT500 not much less? ha. Can I have a ticket to the world you live on? ;)






1) The new GT-R does not cost $80,000. Base price is $69K.

2) It will have no more of a markup than what GT500's had when they came out.




To whoever said it costs too much- The car makes more power than the C6 Z06, and costs the same. So someone, PLEASE, explain to me how it costs too much?!?!!?! The car makes 470+ awhp,can be daily-driven year-round, and will have loads of potential. How exactly does it cost too much'?? And whoever thinks this thing won't completely murder a GT500 is out of their mind......

scg87
1) The new GT-R does not cost $80,000. Base price is $69K.

2) It will have no more of a markup than what GT500's had when they came out.






I know you think this will be God's gift of cars, but let's think this through a little.

Let's say the "base" price is $69k. How many "base" models of these do you think will be sold? Let's say you're right and it's $69k, we'll round it to $70k. You also say it will have as much markup as a GT500 did. Some of them are still at $15k or more, but will say $20k even though alot of GT500's had a higher markup.

$70k + $20k = can you guess it? come on, you can do it....

$90k! yAy!


To whoever said it costs too much- The car makes more power than the C6 Z06, and costs the same. So someone, PLEASE, explain to me how it costs too much?!?!!?! The car makes 470+ awhp,can be daily-driven year-round, and will have loads of potential. How exactly does it cost too much'?? And whoever thinks this thing won't completely murder a GT500 is out of their mind......

Ok, you say it makes more power than a Vette? That means it's ineffecient at best then. Why you ask? It if makes more power, but is still the same speed as the old fashioned and lowly rear wheel drive Vette, that's right, "more power" but the same speed, is it really that great? I mean you have a super all wheel drive that can outperform and beat any other car off the line, yet with its more power it's the same speed as a Vette.

A friend of mine has an Evo VIII. great car, fast as hell. He HATES when I do a burnout. I'll let you think on that one. I'm about done here.

I really don't know why you're on these boards, it almost appears you give the Nissan badges on your car blowjobs every night, but to each his own. [8D]

- C


ps. Hey man, lighten up some, people get so worked up over crap on the internet. I was just messin with ya, go drive your Nissan and be happy. :)

i like all cars, and the nissan is a nice car, would i buy one-NO, but its a nice car. Just my 2 cents

ORIGINAL: myredgt


scg87
1) The new GT-R does not cost $80,000. Base price is $69K.

2) It will have no more of a markup than what GT500's had when they came out.






I know you think this will be God's gift of cars, but let's think this through a little.

Let's say the "base" price is $69k. How many "base" models of these do you think will be sold? Let's say you're right and it's $69k, we'll round it to $70k. You also say it will have as much markup as a GT500 did. Some of them are still at $15k or more, but will say $20k even though alot of GT500's had a higher markup.

$70k + $20k = can you guess it? come on, you can do it....

$90k! yAy!


To whoever said it costs too much- The car makes more power than the C6 Z06, and costs the same. So someone, PLEASE, explain to me how it costs too much?!?!!?! The car makes 470+ awhp,can be daily-driven year-round, and will have loads of potential. How exactly does it cost too much'?? And whoever thinks this thing won't completely murder a GT500 is out of their mind......

Ok, you say it makes more power than a Vette? That means it's ineffecient at best then. Why you ask? It if makes more power, but is still the same speed as the old fashioned and lowly rear wheel drive Vette, that's right, "more power" but the same speed, is it really that great? I mean you have a super all wheel drive that can outperform and beat any other car off the line, yet with its more power it's the same speed as a Vette.

A friend of mine has an Evo VIII. great car, fast as hell. He HATES when I do a burnout. I'll let you think on that one. I'm about done here.

I really don't know why you're on these boards, it almost appears you give the Nissan badges on your car blowjobs every night, but to each his own. [8D]

- C


ps. Hey man, lighten up some, people get so worked up over crap on the internet. I was just messin with ya, go drive your Nissan and be happy. :)





1) I never said it was God's gift. I simply recognize it for what it is, and give it it's due respect. What's wrong w/ that???

2) Yeah, you're right, there's also a "Premium" model. And it costs a whole2k more.

3) The GT-R is awd and weighs almost 600lbs more than the Z06. That's why it's no faster than it is. AWD loses a lot more power through the drivetrain, and we all know what weight does to performance.

4) I'm on these boards because I'm a car enthusiast, and believe it or not, there's a few other's on here as well. I'm not one of those brand-whores who likes what they drive and nothing else.

5) I don't even own a Nissan anymore. And I'm not a Nissan fan, I just happen to like theZ car and the new GT-R. So what??

6) You obviously don't get into the Street/Strip section too much. Otherwise, you'd see I'm not somecrazy GT-R fanboy. I have an appreciation for all cars. But when someone is giving misinfo, or narrow-minded biased opinions and views, I'll step in and say something. This is, afterall, a public forum.


















*DISCLAIMER- The Above Post Was Not Intended To Disrespect, Insult, Or Demean Any Member OrTheir Car In Any Way......

From a Nissan fan website.

"We're being told the new 2009 Nissan GT-R has a 0-60 time of 3.5 seconds, which should make it a Corvette Z06 killer. Now we've got a whole slew of official pictures thanks to magazines breaking the embargo"
“The GT-R lists quarter-mile time at 11.7 seconds and entering the Autobahn we had no reason to doubt that. The turbo boost was, as promised, very progressive, with little or no discernable lag, just smooth, even power delivery.�

Z06 corvette-
Stock Corvette Z06 has 10 second 1/4 Mile!

http://www.corvetteblog.com/10secc6.jpg (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/05/10-second-stock-c6-corvette-z06-on-run-flats/)Talk about impressive! Our friends over at AutoBlog alerted us to the post on CorvetteForum showing that Jamie Furman, driving a stock C6 Corvette Z06 with run flat tires got under 11 seconds, 10.98 to be exact at 129 mph at the Maryland International Raceway (http://www.mirdrag.com/). The time was validated by an official at the track, setting the record for the fastest production vehicle!



I am a car guy as well, and from these test ("I know that everyone drives differant,and times are always differant") But these 2 cars are going to be tight. I think the vette and the Nissan are 2 differant driving machines. Both have there place in the autoworld.[/align]

ORIGINAL: scg87

ORIGINAL: myredgt

tyranium
A new GT500 with markup isn't that much less. Most of the dealers here in the midwest are marking up at least 15k for a GT500 and 5-10k for a shelby GT.


You seriously think the $80,000 GTR won't have a mark up? heheheheheheehhhhhheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ps. $90,000+, GT500 not much less? ha. Can I have a ticket to the world you live on? ;)






1) The new GT-R does not cost $80,000. Base price is $69K.

2) It will have no more of a markup than what GT500's had when they came out.




To whoever said it costs too much- The car makes more power than the C6 Z06, and costs the same. So someone, PLEASE, explain to me how it costs too much?!?!!?! The car makes 470+ awhp,can be daily-driven year-round, and will have loads of potential. How exactly does it cost too much'?? And whoever thinks this thing won't completely murder a GT500 is out of their mind......


Let's for just a minute assume that you could buy one for $70,000. Let's see a show of hands. $70,000 Skyline, or a $70,000 Z06?

Didn't Nissan and Toyota learn before that high priced import sports cars don't sell very well here?

Before my last statment causes an argument, I'm sure some of you would rather have this Skyline, but I'm thinking the majority of the people that can spend that on car, won't spend it on a Nissan.

You guys. That is actually cheap. A R34 Skyline Gt-R would sell for over 95,000 new. 85,000 used. They weighed less than 2 tons.

Here are some specs of the R34.

Horsepower 277 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque 293 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

Acceleration

0-40 mph 2.7
0-60 mph 5.2
0-80 mph 8.7
0-100 mph 13.0

0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 13.7 @ 103.5 mph

Braking

From 60 mph 120 ft
From 80 mph 204 ft

Handling

200 ft skidpad 0.89 g
700 ft slalom 60.8 mph

Fuel Economy

Normal Driving 22.8 mpg

Interior Noise

Idle in neutral 52 dBA
Maximum 1st gear 78 dBA
70 mph 76 dBA

the Gt-R is the fastest AWD vehicle ever made. They began production in 1957 and stopped in 2002. They would beat a mustang like a supra does a cobra. BAD.

ORIGINAL: BA Mustang

You guys. That is actually cheap. A R34 Skyline Gt-R would sell for over 95,000 new. 85,000 used. They weighed less than 2 tons.

Here are some specs of the R34.

Horsepower 277 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque 293 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

Acceleration

0-40 mph 2.7
0-60 mph 5.2
0-80 mph 8.7
0-100 mph 13.0

0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 13.7 @ 103.5 mph

Braking

From 60 mph 120 ft
From 80 mph 204 ft

Handling

200 ft skidpad 0.89 g
700 ft slalom 60.8 mph

Fuel Economy

Normal Driving 22.8 mpg

Interior Noise

Idle in neutral 52 dBA
Maximum 1st gear 78 dBA
70 mph 76 dBA

the Gt-R is the fastest AWD vehicle ever made. They began production in 1957 and stopped in 2002. They would beat a mustang like a supra does a cobra. BAD.




Okay, wow, where to start???

- The R34 GT-R makes a hell of a lot more than 277hp. It's more like 340-350. They were rated at 280ps because of Japan's 'gentleman agreement.

- It would take a pretty bad driver to only get a 13.7 out of an R34 GT-R.

- R34's were about 55ish when new in Japan. Nowhere near 95,000. You can buy a US-converted car for 75K-ish.

- There have only ever been 5 generations of GT-R. The GT-R didn't appear until 1969. It went away in 1973. It didn't reappera until 1989 w/ the introduction of the R32.

- The Skyline started production in 1957. There wasn't a GT-R until '69 likeI said. And the Skyline never stopped production. The GT-R went away after 2002 w/ the end of the R34 gen.

- The Supra/Cobra comparison is vague at best. A stock MkIV Supra Turbo is comparitable to a 99-01 Cobra. A Terminator would murder it.

-The GT-R is NOT the fastest awd car ever made. Not even close.







And btw, that's coming from a Skyline/GT-R fan........

I'm sure there will quite a following for this new GT-R, but it's just not my thing. I'd take a Corvette ZR-1 and drive home smiling. Some may view driving a 100K Chevy the same way as driving a 70K Nissan.....but something tells me I probably wouldn't be able to do much of my own maintenance on the new GT-R.[:@] That, and I'll take the ZR-1's sleek sexiness over the GT-R's awkward bulbusnous anyday.

Oh, and let's stop all the GT500 vs. GT-R nonsense. It makes about as much sense as comparing a Boss 429 to a Lexus. Two different kinds of car for two different kinds of enthusiasts. ;)

Z06 man. ZR-1 is from the early 90's.

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Z06 man. ZR-1 is from the early 90's.




I believe he is talking about this ZR-1...

http://jalopnik.com/cars/detroit-auto-show/2009-corvette-zr+1-301413.php

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Z06 man. ZR-1 is from the early 90's.





Where have you been???? The new ZR1 isn't even out yet. And Z06's don't cost 100 grand.....

ORIGINAL: 02StanGT

ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0

Z06 man. ZR-1 is from the early 90's.




I believe he is talking about this ZR-1...

http://jalopnik.com/cars/detroit-auto-show/2009-corvette-zr+1-301413.php
Yes, that's the ZR-1 to which I'm referring.;) Thank you. This one:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/19/detroit-2008-the-king-is-back-atop-the-hill-2009-corvette-zr1/

local://upfiles/28087/2B3E1A029DBD4562AA608321653A5AE9.jpg

Ah. I didn't know they officially named it the ZR-1. You'll have to excuse me, I've apparently been somewhere else the last few weeks. :eek:

Not sure about this but arent Z06s' hard to obtain? Here in Houston it has a HUGE waiting list. I dont understand why theres so many people hating on this car. Its an effing nice car no doubt about it. Id get it over a viper or Z06(my opinion of course). My family has all sorts of cars from Japan to germany. They all tailor to different crowds. I for one dont like driving around ALL the time hearing my american muscle sound like its drinking a gallon of gas everytime i start from a red light :). Point is i'd love to have one of these and have more girls than i can handle crawling all over me(no offense ladies). Skyline=Baller car

and thisBlood147 is correct. WTH is with the GT500 vs GT-R???? Each of these cars is for different enthusiasts. Cant the import fans be happy they now have a "super car" of their own that can hang with the likes of a Z06 and Viper?

Bad ace car, but price range between 60000-80000 is not to nice

nice car but the numbers seem a little off to me. i've seen a coulple of books and one had it running 11.7@147mph. now maybe it me but 450-480hp and 440tq is all good the zo6's i've seen that ran 11.1's and 11.2's had about 129-135mph and i've seen stock tire ones and a couple with intakes and exhaust.. i'll just wait and se when they get to relly testing them and see what happens then.

hell for 80 grand i'll keep my 2 stangs and truck. 90gt running 11.45@119mph ang my 96gt's getting heart surgery as i write this 351windsor 409stroked and charged.

ORIGINAL: jonnystang08

Funny to hear someone complain about a ford fan boy...this is a mustang forum afterall... Yeah the skyline may grab better in the snow but heck, i'd rather my (imaginary) GT500 be clean in the dustless and temperature controlled garage. Heck, when I get my 08 in the spring, I won't even want that to see the snow or rain. Though it will, ggggrrrr...., haven't won the lotto yet and can't quite afford a junker.

Jap cars, bleh....they may look cool but imho they are kitty cars....nothing beats the sounds of raw V8 power and torque. Just the sound of a mustang idling gets me excited. Makes me want to race. You start a jap car and I usually want to laugh or call a doctor because it sounds sick. Most of the ones out hear sounds like angry weed whackers. Yeah they may get down the tracker faster, but it's just as awesome to sit there and watch the car smoke 'em...knowing that if only it hooked up it would have won the race. But hey everyone is entitled to what they want and like, me personally... I wouldn't be caught owning anything less then 8 cylinders or anything non-american other then German made.

Over 400 hp for the car eh? how much torque? that's the number that impresses me.
I thought i read somewhere that for 10k more this year you can get the shelby upgraded to a KR? Power rating was like 638hp when Shelby was interviewed. The way it read was like he laughed at that number, almost as if he was hiding the real potential....



Only reason I "complained" about a fanboy is that there is a difference between sticking by what you like because you like it vs calling something else crap because it's not on the right "bandwagon". I like my Mustang, but, my money goes to what I like. Just because I don't like a certain car doesn't mean I'm going to bag on it because it's not on the Stang bandwagon. I would just as soon buy a new BMW M3 over a Mustang (if I had the money).

The other thing you have to consider is that the "fanboy" mentality is what's killing american cars. Like when we thought that the Boat cars of the70's era were the ****z (while imports went small). What happened to that? Domestics lost all their traction and have been trying to regain it since. Same goes with the "bigger is better" mentality (V8 is always better cos it's bigger than a V6...) Okay that's fine but with the new CAFE restriction coming up, one of two things is going to have to happen. Either domestics are going to have to drop V8 engines in favor of a highly engineered V6 with the same power output to keep prices stable, or people will need to Pony up (no pun inteded) $40K for a Mustang GT that has a V8 that meets standards while still dealing with medicore quality. Sorry but at 40K (if that's what they go to) I'll go with something else that has a better interior and better fit-n-finish on the panels than the domestics. Mustang GTsare nice/cool but not 40K worth (unless it's the GT500 for ~$45K which would be more like ~55K at that point).

I just want to ask...who here has a mustang that can go from 0-60 in 3.3 seconds? Anyone? Didn't think so, and please for the love of God don't say the Steeda drag racer or some company car that has tons more money put into it. Bottom line, this think will rape the current corvette and might even give the ZR1 a run for its money....commense your flaming ignorance.

^ It will handily outrun the LS3 Vette. It will be a practcial dead-heat w/ the Z06. It will get handled by the ZR-1.



And that's coming from a hardcore Nissan lover.....

I agree, the Zr-1 is going to be a beast, then again, you will need slicks or radials to catch up in my opinion...you can't win a race without traction. Then again, you think the Nissan is going to have a dealer markup...[:-].......Yeah, the zr-1 is going to be in used lambo price range when chevey is done!


Edit: The paddle shifters and DSG help with the time as well! Im lazy, i dont want a clutch pedal[&o] But I will take either if they were given to me.

^ I don't think the ZR-1 will have too much trouble making use of it's power. Out in the real world, though, where most races are roll-ons, the ZR-1 will decimate the GT-R. But rest assured, Nissan has something up it's sleeve. There will be lighter, more powerful versions in the near future. I personally am kind of put off by the GT-R's weight and lack of manual, but it doesn't matter, I can't afford anyway, lol. I'm more intersted in Nissan does to the Z.....

ORIGINAL: scg87

^ I don't think the ZR-1 will have too much trouble making use of it's power. Out in the real world, though, where most races are roll-ons, the ZR-1 will decimate the GT-R. But rest assured, Nissan has something up it's sleeve. There will be lighter, more powerful versions in the near future. I personally am kind of put off by the GT-R's weight and lack of manual, but it doesn't matter, I can't afford anyway, lol. I'm more intersted in Nissan does to the Z.....


I don't see how when the twin turbo system has a flat TQ curve from 2250 up, there is no "peak" or "ideal" RPM to get all the TQ out of any twin turbo. The ZR1 if I'm not mistaken will be using a S/C, those are progressive boost/progressive power. Depending on what RPM the roll is initiated will impact the outcome.

^ Be that as it may, the Corvette is prolly gonna have a50whp advantage, and it'll be some 450~ pounds lighter. I love the new GT-R, but I'm just being realistic. Of course, once the aftermarket support is there, and thereare some tuned GT-R's runing around, it's anyone's game....

ORIGINAL: scg87

^ Be that as it may, the Corvette is prolly gonna have a50whp advantage, and it'll be some 450~ pounds lighter. I love the new GT-R, but I'm just being realistic. Of course, once the aftermarket support is there, and thereare some tuned GT-R's runing around, it's anyone's game....



Sorry to say, but no you really aren't being realistic...This seems to be heading in the collector corvette type of market. It will be low volume, hard to find, high markup, and extremely expensive from the beginning. Not to say that this won't happen to the Gt-r, but I think Nissan will be able to handle more than that because its being built for higher middle class people, where as the corvette is a rich collectors toy, that will probably not see the full potential of whats its ment to be used for. I think you might actually see some sort of LS9 crate engine swap into a Z06 before you actually see someone driving around a real ZR-1 in person. Furthermore I don't mean to bash the corvette, but no matter what suspension you put on a corvette, it still won't be able to outhandle the GT-R (sorry to all you drag junkies).

People that will be able to afford the ZR-1 will probably also be able to get a GT-R too, so lets get back on topic, and let this zr-1 crap rest...otherwise go make another forum for it.

Moral of the story- Im not a hater, im a realist.

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.


Moral of the story- your argument is moot...

ORIGINAL: scg87

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.


Moral of the story- your argument is moot...



So, I am ending it, do you see the circle? This is about the Nissan, so I think we should get back to it....REGARDLESS if i brought it up. I recall seing a number of 2000 per year being posted for ZR-1 production are you fricking kidding me that nissan would make less for a full run production car. A rear wheel drivevehicle will never out perform an AWD car in 0-60 (unless you have slicks), skidpad, handleing G's etc. Not everyone is an expert drag driver either...Corvette hard to launch, GT-R - idiot proof. (perfect for you). Yes it probably will win from a roll, maybe a dig, but probably not around a track without modification.You sir are retarded for thinking I was trying to offend you, but you opened the box ass hole. And yes, if you can throw out the word- denial.

^ Haha, keep digging yourself a hole. Nissan is only bringing 1,500 GT-R's to the States in the first model year. Now, I don't know about you, but where I went to school at, 2,000 is more than 1,500. Your 0-60 agrument is weak-sauce. Do you really think Nissan made this car for 0-60 runs??? Of course not, so even IF the GT-R is quicker to 60, it doesn't mean anything. And anything after that, it's gonna get pulled like a freight train. And how the hell can you say it won't be as fast as the GT-R around a track, when the damn thing isn't even out yet??? Until it comes out and puts down numbers, you're doing nothing more than assuming and specualting. Which is what stupid fanboys do, asshole....

Wtf are you talking about, you owned a Z for christ sake, and now an audi. I own a mustang, fanboy, grow up. I wasn't aware of only 1,500 GT-R's so your right, but regardless....the Zr-1 will probably only exist for a 2 year run...I guess its all how you look at it. You are also thinking about drag racing, I was talking about a road coarse....I've already stated the zr-1 will destroy a gt-r if it gets traction, what more do you want. I can say its faster around a road coarse because it has got the aspects of a succesful auto-cross car. Your also obviously speculating about the ZR-1 it will be so much faster, blah blah blah...it takes two to argue and you really suck because you point out your own flaws (the fact that we are both speculation)...pull some other information out of your head stuffed asshole, horsepower isnt everything. Secondly, if 0-60 doesnt matter, then maybe 60' doesnt either? right?

Yeah, I owned a 350Z. And I own an Audi. And I've ownedtwo Dodges, an Accord, and a Trans Am WS6. What's your point??? How am I the fanboy??? I'm not just referring to drag-racing, I'm referring to nearly every performance aspect. The ZR-1 is lighter, more powerful, has a higher-top speed,will be quicker, and I think it will probably outperform the GT-R on a circuit as well. Yeah, the GT-R has a lot of fine-tuned suspension and handling components, I never said it didn't. And for the record, just because a car is a good auto-crosser, doesn't mean it will be good on a road course. And here's the difference in our speculation- The carI'M talking about already has a SLOWER version of it in production which has put up quicker 1/4 times, and has yet to proven to have a disadvantage handling-wise to the car YOU are talking about. So now, let's throw on bigger brakes, more hardcore supsension, 100+ extra horsepower, well, you see where I'm going w/ this. Hopefully. I never took any of your posts as a personal attack, and was just discussing the topic. You were the one who started dropping the insults and resorted to name-calling. And your proving my point even further by arguing about statements that were never made. Where did I say horsepower was everything???? Where did I say 0-60 or 60' doesn't matter??? I said "even if the GT-R is quicker to 60, it doesn't mean anything." And it doesn't. Theres a lot more performance abilities to compare between the two other just acceleration. Just because one's quicker, doesn't make it the better car. Go do some research, learn how to f#cking read, and come back when you have somelegit reasoning behind your pathetic attempt at an intelligent rebuttal.....

Well where to begin? Ok let's judge the book by the cover. It certainly is not anything exotic looking, nor does it have a muscle car look to it. Sorry, It looks very domestic and to even consider that it will attract women because of the way it looks or sounds is almost a joke.

Fastest All Wheel Drive car? Really? I believe the Ferrari FXX is AWD, it has over 600hp and weighs a bit over 1 ton. I sincerly doubt the Skyline can even dream of competing at that level.

When I first saw it I thought it was a domestic. Then I saw the price tag and pretty much laughed. Then I saw the spec's and I laughed even harder. Reading the Magazine articles reminded me on how fictional Motor Trend and Car and Driver can be. Yes it is AWD, but there is a formula of weight to Horsey power to determine trap speeds. At close to 4000lbs the Nissan will need much more than 430hp to break a 12 second 1/4 mile. Not to mention that AWD has a large amount of drive train powerloss. 430 hp at the crank on AWD is more like 350hp at the wheels. Then again Nissan has been known to hype up their products and then ride the sales, until people start talking how over rated their product actually is.

^ Wow, where to begin w/ YOUR POST????


You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

1) The Ferrari FXX is not awd. It has 800hp. It weighs2,500lbs.

2) The GT-R is not even desgned to compete w/ the FXX, or any other Ferrari.

3) The GT-R may not look exotic, but it looks unique.

4) The GT-Rdoesn't look like a muscle car because- GASP!!- it's NOT a muscle car.

5) No one claimed it to be the fastest awd car in the world.

6) You laughed at it's specs and price??? Really?? Is that because it runs neck and neck w/ and performs cars costingMUCH more than it does??

7) The car doesn't have 430hp. It's rated at 473hp. But it's underrated. They've been dynoing around 470hp. So they're actually in the neighborhood of 565 crank hp. More than enough to break 11's, let alone 12's.

8) You're right, Nissan always overhypes their cars. And they always turn out to be a disappointment. Like the 350Z, the 300ZXTT, the 240Z, the previous Skyline GT-R's, the Silvias, their various SE-R's. Yeah, they'reALL SO overrated....


Stick to the topics in which you actually have a little bit of knowledge, n00b.....:eek:

Dude, if you actually read what I said, you in fact were the first to start the argument, and you just did it with this guy....quit picking apart everyones god damn thread in the first place. n00b etc etc, i pwn in cars omg, thats weaksauce argument. Your facts maybe correct but your attitude is not...Say stuff with some tact, not "your argument is moot, that means nothing, etc." Didn't see a ford on your list tho....go buy one or quit posting and talking crap to MUSTANG enthusiasts....guess im a ford fanboy too....yeah i am...o well.

ORIGINAL: scg87

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.


Moral of the story- your argument is moot...



Read my post above, and tell me what part of it is insulting, disrespectful, or derogatory??? I said your arguement was moot because I was never arguing w/ you to begin w/. I was just discussing the topic. You're the one who had to get butt-hurt, and resort to name calling and go on the offensive. Where did I pick apart anyone's thread or post other than yours??? And I didn't do so until you got all immature and srarted spouting misinformation in an attempt to 'win' a nonexistent arguement w/ me. All you just did w/ that post was again put words in my mouth. The Zan guy's post was an absolute disaster, and was spoken w/ more authority than anythingI posted. It deserved to get tor apart. And considering he was ragging the car which you are so quick to praise, I don't see what your bitching about. And actually, I have owned a Ford. A 4wd Ranger. And I'm buying a Terminator this summer. Not that it matters. Why do I have to own a certain kind of car to be able correct people's narrow-minded, speculative, posts that are full of fallacies and misinfo??? I'm not talking crap to Mustang ethusiasts, I'm talking crap to jerks who feel like they have something to prove. Read- YOU....

ORIGINAL: scg87

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.


Moral of the story- your argument is moot...


This is getting annoying so I'll end it. But just to point out that you aren't perfect either and you contributed to the climate in the thread.

Disrespect due to elitist commentsandassuming(whichyou just accused me off), and in the second case sarcasm and mocking me:
At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.

Moral of the story- your argument is moot... (who are you to judge if all my arguments are out of place)

Around here if you say hey buddy, in the tone im thinking....that means your picking an argument or a fight.

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place.

Once again, if you dont think you are being hypocritical in anyway you are foolish, but since in this case YOU wont let it go and you wont quit until YOU win the argument...I concede, you are extremely superior in all car knowledge and my arguments suck because you don't agree.

ORIGINAL: kyle2k


ORIGINAL: scg87

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place. And it sure sound to me like your Corvette hating. There will be more ZR-1's built than GT-R's, so it's not going to be some impossible event to see one driving around on the street. I am being totally realistic. I LOVE Nissan, more-so than anyone other than Porsche, but the fact remains, the ZR-1 is going to outperform the GT-R. At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.


Moral of the story- your argument is moot...


This is getting annoying so I'll end it. But just to point out that you aren't perfect either and you contributed to the climate in the thread.

Disrespect due to elitist commentsandassuming(whichyou just accused me off), and in the second case sarcasm and mocking me:
At probably everything. To say it won't is just biased, narrowminded denial.

^ Notice I didn't say YOU were biased or narrowminded, I said to say it won't is an example of that. Meaning that to make such a claim w/ no evidence is denial. If you didn't do that, why'd you take offense???


Moral of the story- your argument is moot... (who are you to judge if all my arguments are out of place)

^ I'm one to tell you your arguemnet is moot because you arguing w/ me for no reason. I was just comparing the two cars' performance, and you for some reason felt the need to turn it into a grudge match. I was trying to prevent one.

Around here if you say hey buddy, in the tone im thinking....that means your picking an argument or a fight.

Hey buddy, guess what??? YOU brought the ZR-1 up in the first place.

It wasn't meant to come off like that. You just took it out of context. It was at that point when you went and got an attitude w/ me. I just found it odd for you to tell me to stop talking about something you brought up, that's all. There was no reason for you to start the name-calling and insults.

Once again, if you dont think you are being hypocritical in anyway you are foolish, but since in this case YOU wont let it go and you wont quit until YOU win the argument...I concede, you are extremely superior in all car knowledge and my arguments suck because you don't agree.

I don't see how I was being hypocritical persay, I was just trying to make my case. You went from making legitimate posts that I was simply countering, to dealing out these statements and accusations to win a pointless fued. I never said I have more car knowledge than you. I never said your arguements suck because I disagree w/ them. Your arguement sucked becuase you took it too far. If you had just asked howI meant my statement to be taken, instead of assuming I was trying to be rude and condescending, the battle would have never reached this point. I was just trying to discuss the topic. Yousaid I wasn't being realistic and supported your claim w/ wrong info, and in an authoritive manner. So I simply disagreed, and in a slightly more witty way. INEVER resort to outright insults or being disrepectful,unless someone else does it first. I may have disagrred w/ you said, but I would not have called you names or been rude.There wasno reason to turn this into a pissing match. You just got a little carried away in reaching your conclusion that I was an asshole. If you had just repied in a normal manner, you'd have seen that I never intended todisgredit you, but just correct and rebuta few things you said.




Jeez, dude, it has nothing to do w/ me trying to assert some kind of supremacy or knowledge. I was disagreeing w/ what you had to say, and was doing so in what I though was reasonable manner. While I have been a little sarcastic or snappy, that's just my norm,it was in no means in hopes to provokethe personal battle that ensued.....

Yeah, but for $80K? I'll take an LS3 Vette for $39K and just add CAI and Exhaust...

Has anyone actually seen the physical size of the thing compared to the old skylines?

It is a bloody huge car in comparison. Now you know where all the weight comes from.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/iain_c/EvolutionSkyline.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/iain_c/SkyBusSkyCoach.jpg

^ Yeah, they're some big cars. Their weight is the main thing that turns me off about them. And the fact that they don't offer a manual. The first photo puts into perspective how small the R34 is....




ORIGINAL: 05MidBlueGT

Yeah, but for $80K? I'll take an LS3 Vette for $39K and just add CAI and Exhaust...



I don't think you can really buy an LS3 Vette for 39K. And I don't think a cai and exhaust will put it ahead of a GT-R, either

ORIGINAL: scg87


ORIGINAL: 05MidBlueGT

Yeah, but for $80K? I'll take an LS3 Vette for $39K and just add CAI and Exhaust...



I don't think you can really buy an LS3 Vette for 39K. And I don't think a cai and exhaust will put it ahead of a GT-R, either


Callaway has already slippeda Stock LS3 with just CAI running mid 11, putting it right there with a GT-R. Check out corvetteforum.com, theydocumetnedthe slip. Also, larger dealers are selling the base LS3 Vette for $39K. See Kerbecks.com

ORIGINAL: wozz

Has anyone actually seen the physical size of the thing compared to the old skylines?

It is a bloody huge car in comparison. Now you know where all the weight comes from.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/iain_c/EvolutionSkyline.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/iain_c/SkyBusSkyCoach.jpg



I agree that thing is obese.

Ok, now somebody do the same thing with the last 4 generations of the mustang, cuz its just about the same problem. I love the way the new mustangs look, but they're just too big in every single dimension.

I'm not sure why vehicles are generally getting bigger, but I think it is because of all the safety equipment they have to add to make it "safe". I also venture to say that I think vehicle size would go down if SUV's didn't exist. The safety equipment could be scaled down because they wouldn't have to take a hit from a 5000lb + SUV, but I guesspeople need their comfort andsecurity (regardless if it will kill someone if they cause the crash).

Also, have you noticed that vehicle size appears to be at least slightly cyclical? Look at the enormous boats that people were driving in the 50's, which then shrank in the 60's, grew again in the early 70's, shrank in the 80's... We'll see if my theory pans out.

Sounds like a cycle to me too, I wish we could get the power, small size, and less weight all at once however. anyways...the GT-R has a nice wide stance but I think they might of overdone it because it looks a whole foot wider!

id rather kiss a toilet seat. ugly over priced and rather have a vette. not to mention NISSAN lol

ORIGINAL: 88white5.0

id rather kiss a toilet seat. ugly over priced and rather have a vette. not to mention NISSAN lol



May I ask what's wrong w/ Nissan????[&o]

Ignorance...[8D]

yeah its def a fast car but kinda overrated. I'm not in the market for $80000 cars, but if i was, i would find something much better for the money.

^ LIKE.......

When i said better i really meant something that i would like more, not necessarily faster, my bad for not bein' specific. The other thing is, even though the Gt-R may run a 3.4 or 3.5 0-60, you'll never be able to tell the difference between that and a z06 which does 3.7, which can be had at a slightly lower price than the GT-R. Don't get me wrong though, the GT-R is a car that i have a lot of respect for, I personally just wouldnt have it on the top of my list if i had that kind of money.

No, that's fine. I was just wondering what you meant.


As for the performance stats, you're forgetting one thing. It will take a good driver to pull off those times in the Z06. The GT-R on the other hand, w/ it's awd and DSG trans is practically failproof. Not to mention it will outlaunch the Vette. So I'd be willing to bet quite a fair share of Z06 vs GT-R brawls end up in the Nissan's favor.....;)

Interesting article on pricing

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/14584/nissan-gt-r-price-gouging.html

We already knew that man, but thanx anyway.......;)




























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