I agree w/ you to an extent. Torque and grip both are critical to a good 60'. And I wasn't just talkoing about you, I just quoted your post to rebut the weight misconception. So, it's cool. I was tossing in my two cents....
I find it hysterical how some of you have no idea of how torque relates to power & acceleration; maybe a real physics class would help (only directed toward a small handful of people). Especially those who state "no torque"... 260 lbs of torque on a 3350 lb car is no torque? Maybe those who state such ignorant statements should test drive one and feel how its gearing takes good advantage of those 260 lb feet of torque
I wouldn't be surpriced to hear the same responces for an 06 S2000: a low 14 second car with with only 162 lb ft of torque cannot possibly run low 14's. Oh wait, it weights 2800 lbs and has excellent gearing doesn't it.
I find the times believeable because, at the track he ran at, the DA's & track preperation are usually excellent compared to most other drag strips. That being said, like many others have stated here, I don't expect to go to my local track and see a stock 07 350Z run 13.2. But that's not that point of that list; the list just shows the BEST times to date for members of My350z.com.
The 2007 350Z is significantly faster than the previous 350Z's. Usually, I would expect it to run mid 13's depending on the DA's & track preperation, and driver ofcourse.
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THANK YOU!!! You beat me too it, and someone needed to say it.
For those of you who don't understand, let me break it down another way.....THE TORQUE THAT A VEHICLE MAKES AT THE FLYWHEEL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ACTUAL TORQUE AT THE WHEELS!!! And no, I'm not talking about the torque rating a dyno produces, but the ACTUAL torque output. Whatever force the engine makes is multiplied by the transmission gearing, and then multiplied again by the differential gear ratio. The size of the tire is the last thing that determines the actual torque output at the wheels. Example.....an engine makes 300lb-ft at peak torque, and has a 3.00:1 1st gear and a 3.00:1 differential gear, at peak torque rpm the vehicle is producing 2,700lb-ft of torque at the wheels [300lb-ft * 3 * 3=2,700lb-ft](provided a 1ft radius tire is used). If second gear is 2.00:1 and everything else remains the same then torque at the wheels is 1,800lb-ft, and so on and so forth. Torque at the wheels varries with rpm and the gear that you're in, and that's why any car accelerates faster in a lower gear than a higher gear. Now consider the same vehicle with the same tire, but now the engine only makes 250lb-ft of torque, but we change the differential gear to a 4.00:1 ratio. Now the actual torque output in first gear at the wheels is 3,000lb-ft. With an engine that has 50lb-ft less torque output, we used a different gear ratio to multiply the lesser amount of torque to be greater at the wheels.
That's the difference between 2 cars of differing power. Another example is a Formula 1 engine, at peak horsepower rpm of around 19,000(yes, that rpm rating is correct, 2.4L n/a V8's) the torque at that peak hp is only about 220lb-ft. That may not seem like much torque for the world's most technologically advanced and expensive race car, but it comes out to around 800hp. Now imagine the gearing that they use with 19,000rpm and 7 or 8 speed transmissions. Those cars have an engine that produces even LESS torque than that of a 07-up 350Z, but they are WAY faster(part of that is that the car only weighs around 1,200lbs with a full fuel load and driver).
Horsepower and torque are so woefully misunderstood. Torque is work, force exerted over a given distance, in the case of a car, lbs(force) measured as a rotating force around a given radius(1 foot being the standard way of measuring). It can be taken for what it is. Horsepower on the other hand is a way of measuring torque relative to the speed of the engine. Horsepower BY ITSELF is totally meaningless. 500hp can mean a lot of torque, or hardly any torque, depending on what rpm it occurs at. But more rpm to use means you can run a lower gear and regain lost torque to the point of a lower geared vehicle with less torque having more torque at the wheels than a higher torque engine in a vehicle with less gearing.
I think it's rather obvious to everyone the role that weight plays in acceleration as well
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Who cares how much horsepower it has, all that matters is how fast it goes!
Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
like removing the spare tire and jack. running race gas (especially with a tune meant for it) tuning the vehicle. high flow or no air filter (very little gain, but when ur going for et's every bit helps) removing drive belt(s) from the vehicle freeing up more power.
my v6 was bone stock and went 15.26 (.04 faster than a mag) and with just a tune went 14.91. thats .35 just from a tune. then with a K&N i went 14.73. so ur looking at half a second with easily hidden mods.
Horsepower and torque are so woefully misunderstood. Torque is work, force exerted over a given distance, in the case of a car, lbs(force) measured as a rotating force around a given radius(1 foot being the standard way of measuring). It can be taken for what it is. Horsepower on the other hand is a way of measuring torque relative to the speed of the engine. Horsepower BY ITSELF is totally meaningless. 500hp can mean a lot of torque, or hardly any torque, depending on what rpm it occurs at.
Hey, correct me if this really really basic analagy is somewhat correct.
Torque is essentially the power that the car produces.
Horsepower is sort of a way about how fast it is exerted?
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People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
Torque is the actual work that the engine generates(force exerted over a given distance, 300lb-ft etc), horsepower is a way of measuring torque relative to engine speed, or how much time it takes to evert the force(lbs) over a given distance(ft). Technically speaking, horsepower(power) is how much work(torque) can be done in a given amount time, by definition 33,000lb-ft per minute is 1 horsepower(lifting 33,000lbs a distance of 1 foot in 1 minute, or lifting 1lb 33,000ft in 1 minute is both 1 horsepower of work done). For the purpose of a car engine, horsepower is basically a way of measuring the torque that an engine can produce at a given speed. Though you COULD say that horsepower is how quickly torque is exerted, it's a bit more complicated than that.
For practical application on a car, here's an example. Two engines, A is a bigger engine and B is a smaller engine(stroke is the same, different bores)
If you have an engine that has the same amount of power as another engine(A and B make the same horsepower), that means they do the same amount of work in a given time(in the case of a car, 1 minute, ie rotations PER MINUTE, which is why rpm is vital to understanding engine power), but if B has less torque than A, then all things being equal, it would produce less power....but all things are not equal, since it has the same power as A, then B obviously does something to make up for the lack of torque. So, it turns at a higher rpm, BUT, it's not so much a "doing less work faster" as it is doing the same amount of work in the same amount of time by exerting less force over a greater distance in the same timespan(rpm is actually a distance element, 1 minute remains constant, and it's the number of rotations in that minute that changes). Now enters HP=Torque*RPM/5252, which is actually a simplified version of HP=Force*Distance/Time. Now, here's where it gets a bit complicated, the Force is measured in pounds, and the Distance is measured in feet and we call the Force*Distance work, or torque(300lb-ft for example). In the case of an engine, the Distance is actually going to be the circumference of a circle made as the crankshaft rotates, the arc of the circumference being the center of the crankpin(think of the crankshaft as a circle where the STROKE of the engine is the radius, and the circumference is the Distance in the P=F*D/T equation). The smaller engine B has less torque, that is to say, it exerts the less force over the same distance, which in an engine can be misleading as it relates to horsepower because the torque rating is ALWAYS standardized to 1 foot of distance. Since the 1 foot is standardized, we then say that engine B, with less torque, produces less FORCE, or lbs, multiplied by the same standard distance as engine A is measured in, or 1 foot. HOWEVER, because engine B runs at a higher RPM, that is to say the crankshaft travels a greater DISTANCE in the same amount of time, we then see that engine B exerts less force(lbs) but multiplied by a greater distance(more rotations of the crank, and remember the same stroke length for simplification) in the same amount of time. So you have less Force, with more Distance in the same time coming out to the SAME amount of power, or that is to say, the same amount of work is done but with less force.
In a car though, this is the kicker, torque is the actual work an engine does(or the force it generates if you will, since the 1 foot is standardized it can be ignored), power measures how much work can be done in a given time, 1 minute for an engine(rpm). An engine with the same power but less torque does so by turning a higher rpm(less force, greater distance), with a higher rpm you can then run a lower gear ratio for better power multiplication and maintain the same speed in gear. The power multiplication from the gear ratio allows you take take less force(fewer lbs in the lb-ft) but multiply it more, and end up with the same torque AT THE WHEELS as a lower rpm engine with more torque. The key though, is to use the extra RPM to take advantage of the horsepower through GEARING. If you fail to gear a similar HP car that makes less torque but at a higher rpm, then you've squandered your rpm advantage and the hp is useless. In reality, what often happens with a car that makes similar power but at a higher rpm, is that if it's geared right(a properly set up car), the lower torque levels are multiplied enough that you end up with MORE torque at the wheels than the higher torque/lower rpm/higher geared car(if you set it up right). Once you understand this relationship you realise it's just simple multiplication, the first number is engine torque and the second number is gearing, the outcome is the force at the wheels, use higher rpm power to have better gearing with lower torque, the simple math is the relationship between the first and second number, 3*2=6(more torquey engine, taller gear) 2*3=6(less torquey but with lower gear). In both cases the outcome is the same
http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-PwrTrq.htm There's a mathematical proof at the bottom of the page for the equation hp=torque*rpm/5252 that shows the relationship of force, distance and time. As far as where a horsepower came from if you're curious, James Watt observed horses used to lift buckets in mining operations and eventually came to the standardized rating of 1 horsepower being the ability to move 33,000lbs 1ft in 1 minute(or 1lb 33,000ft in 1 minute if you prefer)
And YES I know I have a tendancy to be long winded *Flame suit on*
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Who cares how much horsepower it has, all that matters is how fast it goes!
Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
No one is getting butthurt. The blind believers are overlooking the source of all of our skepticisms.......the fact that this guy is apparently the "only" guy in a stock 07 Z that can pull off a 13.2 ET. Except for one other guy a second behind him......everyone else is pulling 13.6s at best. Sorry, but that casts alot of suspicions on whether or not he was truly stock. Especially considering his short times were comparable to other guys in the top 10.
So....no, this isn't about a bunch of V8 guys getting scared of the 6 cyl imports catching up to them. This is about us putting scrutiny on the validity of this guy's mods at the time. I don't doubt he ran the time. I don't doubt he did it on stock tires. But whether he did it without weight reduction or a tune..........hey, how would anyone really know for sure? In short, if there was a list a mile long of guys in 07 350Zs running 13.2-13.3 times......this whole discussion would be unnecessary.
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People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
first off, i drive a v6, and it only runs 12 flat lol.
second off. it seems you are overlooking why we are saying what we are. plenty of gt's have run 13.4-13.6 stock. in the hundreds im sure. if one of them went 13.1 or 13.2 stock, wouldnt u have a hard time believing it?
People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
No one is getting butthurt. The blind believers are overlooking the source of all of our skepticisms.......the fact that this guy is apparently the "only" guy in a stock 07 Z that can pull off a 13.2 ET. Except for one other guy a second behind him......everyone else is pulling 13.6s at best. Sorry, but that casts alot of suspicions on whether or not he was truly stock. Especially considering his short times were comparable to other guys in the top 10.
So....no, this isn't about a bunch of V8 guys getting scared of the 6 cyl imports catching up to them. This is about us putting scrutiny on the validity of this guy's mods at the time. I don't doubt he ran the time. I don't doubt he did it on stock tires. But whether he did it without weight reduction or a tune..........hey, how would anyone really know for sure? In short, if there was a list a mile long of guys in 07 350Zs running 13.2-13.3 times......this whole discussion would be unnecessary.
Like I said before, this track in particular has been known to yield excellent times for many cars; it's DA's are usually lower than most tracks & its track prep is excellent. So, what's to be surpriced about the next person in line being 0.2-0.3 seconds behind, and 1-2 mph slower? The list consists of times from many different tracks; thus, many different factors play into role here (different DA's, different track preperation). As a matter of fact, take that same car & driver to LACR, and it will be 1 second slower to its ET & 5 mph slower in its trap.
Also, the VQ35HR in the 350Z is bearly 1 year old; the only available NA engine mods to it are exhausts & intakes. Tune's aren't available for the HR to date.
Actually if you take it to LACR it won't even have an ET, they closed. Apperantly their lease ended and the land is now going to be developed by whomever the leaser was
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Who cares how much horsepower it has, all that matters is how fast it goes!
Best run 13.23 at 106.97mph with a 2.183 60' Times from before tune and driver mod.
People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
first off, i drive a v6, and it only runs 12 flat lol.
second off. it seems you are overlooking why we are saying what we are. plenty of gt's have run 13.4-13.6 stock. in the hundreds im sure. if one of them went 13.1 or 13.2 stock, wouldnt u have a hard time believing it?
Well, If you look at the list in general there are only 6 07 350Z's on it period. So, to answer your question the reason why you arent seeing more running strong is because. The 07 Z was released very late it was actually released in febuary 2007 (Im pretty sure that was the month) and also, not many people who have 350z drag race them.
The Z is not a Drag car and there really arent as many people who drag race it as there are Mustang owners for instance.
I personally think that he had perfect conditions and a great run. Well every Z run that fast. Absolutely not. I bet most people that will drag them will run high 14 low 13 with them becuase most people that drag race go once, find it they arent very good initially and give up on it.
Now, only time will tell. I dont think everyone is going to be running a 13.2 in a Z ok. I do think there will be many 13.3's and 13.4's and maybe a couple 13.2's.
I got his back..it's a bone stock 07 350Z...you guys need to stop getting butt hurt and realize Ford sent you out there to fight once again with barely enough to keep ahead... (that was in 05).. guess what..everyone is catching up (again)...
300hp might have cut it in the early 90s but it doesn't anymore...it really doesn't do anyone any good to be jealous... just respect the 350Z for what the mustang can never be....a true sports car.
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2001 Z28 M6 - 13.1 @ 108mph 2.1 60ft / Bone Stock (FRA / 1LE Springs - No new times yet)
There is nothing that I can do to prove I'm stock, but the car doesn't have anything done to it. I have an amp, rack, 20' of 0-gauge wiring, a backpack and assorted other crap thats usually with me for these runs too.
I got 2 - 13.2 runs that night, both towards the end of the night in 68ish weather, I haven't pulled a DA but I'm guessing its pretty good.
That 13.3 Veetec ran was on a fairly new engine. I got 2 mph in trap just from adding a few thousand miles to the motor (no conditions change). His clutch has been giving him problems recently.
2 reasons people don't get better times stock - they don't know how to launch. Look at even some of the better runs other than myself and Veetec, you get 2.0+ 60' times. High 330' and 1/8th mile times result. My 1/8th is an 8.5, thats terrific considering the car, and that is also where I'm beating most people, the trap speed will increase more.
The other being that many of the owners are having clutch pedal sticking issues. I drive around it - those runs I got lucky and ran it hard with no issues. Most runs that night I launched at 2k RPM's, that run waas 5,200 or so.....big difference in my 330' times if the clutch doesn't boil the fluid.
I'm expecting to break this run EASILY when it gets into the 50's. M3's run borderline 12.9/13.0 stock, one guy ran a 12.7 (hard to believe its stock) - almost identical power to weight and 60' times. They however have trapped 107-108, I think I should see speeds close to that.
Anyone local is welcome to look next time I'm at the track, I'lll show my car is stock, but video taping and going around proving I have no mods isn't worth the "e-cred" to me. My car runs what it does, and I get good runs 40% of the night, with a slew of "mediocre" runs at around 13.5
I'm ordering new rear tires (these things are wearing very fast) and 4.083 gears (to replace the 3.538 of stock) soon. So if I don't get 12's stock I'll easily have them come January when I've got the gears in and fresh rubber in the back.
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People that are getting butt hurt here dont understand gearing at all for starters. It seems that you are all in disbelief because you are driving around with a 4.6 liter V8 and cant even fathom a a car with 2 less cylinders and 1 liter less displacement can keep up with your cars.
Welcome to the world of technologically superior and efficient motors and gearing.
first off, i drive a v6, and it only runs 12 flat lol.
second off. it seems you are overlooking why we are saying what we are. plenty of gt's have run 13.4-13.6 stock. in the hundreds im sure. if one of them went 13.1 or 13.2 stock, wouldnt u have a hard time believing it?
Yes I would believe it. I have seen them run 13.20's stock. And not everbody lies about how fast there car are. When I talk about my car to most people, I tell them it runs 12.00's.
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I got his back..it's a bone stock 07 350Z...you guys need to stop getting butt hurt and realize Ford sent you out there to fight once again with barely enough to keep ahead... (that was in 05).. guess what..everyone is catching up (again)...
300hp might have cut it in the early 90s but it doesn't anymore...it really doesn't do anyone any good to be jealous... just respect the 350Z for what the mustang can never be....a true sports car.
While I agree that Ford should have put in a bigger motor into the Mustang, I don't agree with your statement. It is a true sports car. Luckly the aftermarket is there to help do what ford didn't. There are plenty of poeple out there who are turning stoopid fast times with stangs. I think the new cars comming out are gonna be a wake up for ford, (hopefully) with the new Camaro, The 09 350z, which maybe either a 3.7 (370z) and I've even heard rumors of maybe a 450z that will be around 350bhp, and more mod friendly, challenger ect. They will need to put more in the stang. On another note, this isn't the first stock 350z I've heard about pulling off a 13.2. I've heard of a few 07 pulling around those times.
I got his back..it's a bone stock 07 350Z...you guys need to stop getting butt hurt and realize Ford sent you out there to fight once again with barely enough to keep ahead... (that was in 05).. guess what..everyone is catching up (again)...
300hp might have cut it in the early 90s but it doesn't anymore...it really doesn't do anyone any good to be jealous... just respect the 350Z for what the mustang can never be....a true sports car.
While I agree that Ford should have put in a bigger motor into the Mustang, I don't agree with your statement. It is a true sports car. Luckly the aftermarket is there to help do what ford didn't. There are plenty of poeple out there who are turning stoopid fast times with stangs. I think the new cars comming out are gonna be a wake up for ford, (hopefully) with the new Camaro, The 09 350z, which maybe either a 3.7 (370z) and I've even heard rumors of maybe a 450z that will be around 350bhp, and more mod friendly, challenger ect. They will need to put more in the stang. On another note, this isn't the first stock 350z I've heard about pulling off a 13.2. I've heard of a few 07 pulling around those times.
I agree with you on the new edge and older being behind in the power department, but they are true "sports" cars. As far as Ford sending us out to fight with barely enough to be ahead and being jealous, I seriously doubt any of us with Mach 1s, or SVT owners, are having a tough time keeping up. That goes for the 2005 GT owners as well, they finally got a Stang that will run low-mid 13s-I don't call that barely keeping up. Explain to me one thing, What exactly is it that a 350z is that a Mustang can never be? I hope like hell your not saying a Mustang can never be a 13.2 second car, or can't handle. If you are thinking that, you really need to do some research.
I got his back..it's a bone stock 07 350Z...you guys need to stop getting butt hurt and realize Ford sent you out there to fight once again with barely enough to keep ahead... (that was in 05).. guess what..everyone is catching up (again)...
300hp might have cut it in the early 90s but it doesn't anymore...it really doesn't do anyone any good to be jealous... just respect the 350Z for what the mustang can never be....a true sports car.
While I agree that Ford should have put in a bigger motor into the Mustang, I don't agree with your statement. It is a true sports car. Luckly the aftermarket is there to help do what ford didn't. There are plenty of poeple out there who are turning stoopid fast times with stangs. I think the new cars comming out are gonna be a wake up for ford, (hopefully) with the new Camaro, The 09 350z, which maybe either a 3.7 (370z) and I've even heard rumors of maybe a 450z that will be around 350bhp, and more mod friendly, challenger ect. They will need to put more in the stang. On another note, this isn't the first stock 350z I've heard about pulling off a 13.2. I've heard of a few 07 pulling around those times.
Just dont even start w/ this guy red turbo, he's a D*ck about everything.
The Z is a different type of sports car then the stang. The stang is what is always will be, a musle car. My buddy has a 05 6spd 350z, & like i said b4; its handles a 1000x better then the stang but he has a different kind of respect for my car just like i have respect for his car.
& don’t get me start w/ the handling of a Camaro…
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