RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/25/2007 5:41:44 PM
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one350zfan
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ORIGINAL: moosestang
He's comparing the price of a used car and turbo to the prices we paid for brand new. Why even bother posting that crap? I can buy a used fox and dump 20k into it and be much faster. We were talking about bank for buck, he just wanted to brag that his 350z is still in one piece after running a low 11.
Now if you don't see how his post was useless then i can't explain it any better. Inviting me to drive 2 hours to tampa to line up next to some rich kid with a really fast 350z that would likely put me into the wall, no thanks.
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ORIGINAL: joshafmil
i find nothing wrong with his post... he was even inviting... why so hostile?
on a side note, please close this thread
I bought the car 2 years ago for 22K. I could have bought a new 05 base for 5k more. I decided on an 03 because visually, they're the same but the 03 is about 150lbs. lighter. I saved about $1500 by buying a used Turbo kit. So, if you want to compare out-of-box its about dead on.
By the way, I'm a 28 year old General Contractor. I use this car as a release, I turn all my wrenches and get a big kick out of the whole deal.
The point of my post is, how can you say what the best bang for buck when you don't even know the car. Hell, most of our best tuners are still figuring stuff out and we haven't even scratched the surface.
When I bought this car, I was told I'd never run this or it'll cost too much to do that... whatever.
This car was only putting down 400whp to achieve that 11.2 and with just the turbo, running 360whp netted an 11.9. I've also had about 75+ nitrous only runs ranging from 100-150 shot. That got me consistent 12.2-12.0 with a best of 11.83.
But I guess these motors don't last(under the wrong tuner, what motor will)
Anyway, If you don't want to come down for the event, thats cool, but it is a nice time with a lot of fast street cars. I wasn't challenging anyone, I've got trying to be the first stock block Z to break 10's in the states to contend with. Plus, we'd know the outcome!
Lastly, I would like to say I enjoy this site, I've bought a few sets of used wheels and DR's from some of your members which I appreciate.
Happy Racing!
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/25/2007 8:25:43 PM
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this is my last post here... but YOU might want to do some research of your own... a whipple is a twin screw ROOTS type blower.... the fact that you think you don't have a roots blower shows your credibility.... what category do you think a positive displacement twin screw design falls under? centrifugal? 
Nothing against you M.I...........but making that statement is gonna cost you credibility in the technical knowledge department. As 67mustang302 stated......a twin screw and a roots blower are not the same animal. Make sure you know what grade of ammunition you're playing with before firing it at other members.......even ones as asocial as moosestang.
BTW, where's JD? Shouldn't this one have been locked down about 6 pages ago?
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/25/2007 11:25:30 PM
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so educate me... what is the differwence between a roots and a lysholm... I was under the impression it was just one of those tomato tomoto word plays
being proven wrong isn't an issue with me... it's how people handle themselves that irritates me
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 5:25:49 AM
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I give up. Good time on the 13.2 Peak350. Next time, get a video of your car, and try to get a shot on the time at the end of the vid. I am sure you are not lying. But, when people throw up these phenomenal times, others want solid proof. When I told everyone here I ran a 13.2 with minor bolts on, it was a flame thread. Why is it so hard for an 07 GT 5A to run that low of a time, on street tires? All depends on the driver. I am sure with some DR's, you will break into the high 12's. Don't expect to go any faster without some bolt-ons or some F/I. Good running man, keep it up. You are more then welcome on this site IMO, since you did not come in bashing mustangs and starting more crap.
For the price on the NISMO, it is pretty expensive. You could buy a stage 2 Roush for the same price, and get a bit more bang.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 5:53:51 AM
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I give up. Good time on the 13.2 Peak350. Next time, get a video of your car, and try to get a shot on the time at the end of the vid. I am sure you are not lying. But, when people throw up these phenomenal times, others want solid proof. When I told everyone here I ran a 13.2 with minor bolts on, it was a flame thread. Why is it so hard for an 07 GT 5A to run that low of a time, on street tires? All depends on the driver. I am sure with some DR's, you will break into the high 12's. Don't expect to go any faster without some bolt-ons or some F/I. Good running man, keep it up. You are more then welcome on this site IMO, since you did not come in bashing mustangs and starting more crap.
For the price on the NISMO, it is pretty expensive. You could buy a stage 2 Roush for the same price, and get a bit more bang.
Thanks.
BTW difference between a roots and twin screw. (I thought he had an eaton, wasn't paying attention).
Roots - compress air inside intake manifold - the pressure wave from compression travels back from the intake valves to the compressor. Heat of compression is at the port, and the pressure wave causes a big loss of efficiency when it reaches the blower.
Twin screw uses a second rotor to cause compression internal to the compressor so the pressure wave travels to the engine from the compressor.
Lysholm, autorotor, and whipple are the big 3 for TS units, just for reference.
Lysholm bought autorotor so that leaves 2.
And the Nismo isn't worth it as a daily or even just a car. It has a chasis thats been seem welded, a lot of extra bracing. Very well tuned suspension, a few goodies on like exhaust etc. over stock. But the big money is getting a factory backed seam welded chasis. And Brembo's.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 9:13:52 AM
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joshafmil
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I give up. Good time on the 13.2 Peak350. Next time, get a video of your car, and try to get a shot on the time at the end of the vid. I am sure you are not lying. But, when people throw up these phenomenal times, others want solid proof. When I told everyone here I ran a 13.2 with minor bolts on, it was a flame thread. Why is it so hard for an 07 GT 5A to run that low of a time, on street tires? All depends on the driver. I am sure with some DR's, you will break into the high 12's. Don't expect to go any faster without some bolt-ons or some F/I. Good running man, keep it up. You are more then welcome on this site IMO, since you did not come in bashing mustangs and starting more crap.
For the price on the NISMO, it is pretty expensive. You could buy a stage 2 Roush for the same price, and get a bit more bang.
Thanks.
BTW difference between a roots and twin screw. (I thought he had an eaton, wasn't paying attention).
Roots - compress air inside intake manifold - the pressure wave from compression travels back from the intake valves to the compressor. Heat of compression is at the port, and the pressure wave causes a big loss of efficiency when it reaches the blower.
Twin screw uses a second rotor to cause compression internal to the compressor so the pressure wave travels to the engine from the compressor.
Lysholm, autorotor, and whipple are the big 3 for TS units, just for reference.
Lysholm bought autorotor so that leaves 2.
And the Nismo isn't worth it as a daily or even just a car. It has a chasis thats been seem welded, a lot of extra bracing. Very well tuned suspension, a few goodies on like exhaust etc. over stock. But the big money is getting a factory backed seam welded chasis. And Brembo's.
forgot kenne bell =P
and the nismo does have alot of crap done to it, that most companys dont do from the factory, so it is worth the cash IMO
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 9:46:24 AM
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even ones as asocial as moosestang.
You got me pegged! I'm in the customer service biz too which would explain my bad attitude. The general public as a whole sucks.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 9:49:24 AM
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moosestang
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Lysholm, autorotor, and whipple are the big 3 for TS units, just for reference.
Lysholm bought autorotor so that leaves 2.
There's really only one, lysholm. Everyone else just uses their compressor.
I don't think you are going to the track this Wed. It's going to rain forever.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 9:55:31 AM
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moosestang
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and just because your unwilling to drive down there, doesnt mean hes a jerk for asking you. and your labeling him as some random rich kid, yet you probubly know nothing about him...
stop being so dam hostile
I'm playing the odds.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 12:05:49 PM
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one350zfan
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and just because your unwilling to drive down there, doesnt mean hes a jerk for asking you. and your labeling him as some random rich kid, yet you probubly know nothing about him...
stop being so dam hostile
I'm playing the odds.
Well, like most people who play the odds... You lose!
Trust me, I wish I was a rich kid, then I could built this motor and push 500whp for easy mid 10's
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 1:07:06 PM
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Your car is used, your turbo is used, your post is useless.
The kids are coming out of the wood work now.
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I have the same amount invested!
03 Base 22,000K
Used Turbo 3,000K
Nitrous and EMS 2,000K
Stock block - we're just scratching the surface!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEZrd_CbomU
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305282
There is a Tamparacing.com event at Bradenton on 11/24... You should stop by!
just so you know I bought an 04 vert brand new with leather for 22,5
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 1:27:47 PM
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moosestang
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Well, like most people who play the odds... You lose!
Trust me, I wish I was a rich kid, then I could built this motor and push 500whp for easy mid 10's
I think you are closer than you thank. Your dyno runs must be off unless you and your car weigh 2800 lbs. Maybe they dynoed it in the wrong gear, it's happened plenty of times to people on this forum. You did have a great 60 foot, but you also trapped 120. Seems like a lot to ask of 400rwhp.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 3:52:14 PM
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It still surprices me how some people know nothing about drag racing. I laugh everytime I hear someone say "well, this car in my local track run X times". Driver aside, you cannot compare times from different tracks & different conditions. The DA's will always be different, and the track preperation will vary. Like I said before, I believe teh 13.2 time because that track has been known to yield excellent times for many vehicles. It's a great drag strip.
It is fine to compare times from the same track event, meaning people you ran against in the same day & place. (Assuming they know how to drive). But it is completely wrong to compare your times or some elses times to other times from a completely different track; even if you are comparing it to times of the same track, they must be of the same temperature & conditions (DA's).
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 5:15:41 PM
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I believe Kenne Bell's blowers are Autorotors. The same parent company that owns Autorotor also owns Lysholm I believe, so though they may be owned by the same company, they are different manufacturers. Whipple used to get their blowers from Lysholm but now I believe they make their own? If I'm wrong on this someone can correct me, I'm not totally certain since there's been a bunch of changes recently.
And yeah, roots blowers aren't compressors, so the air in the blower is NOT under pressure, but the air in the manifold is, so when it tries to discharge air it has to discharge air at atmospheric pressure against air at boost pressure. Twin Screws don't have that problem. They perform basically the same, the difference is that a twin screw is going to be able to make more power with less boost and produce less heat
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 5:34:50 PM
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/26/2007 5:41:53 PM
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I believe Kenne Bell's blowers are Autorotors. The same parent company that owns Autorotor also owns Lysholm I believe, so though they may be owned by the same company, they are different manufacturers. Whipple used to get their blowers from Lysholm but now I believe they make their own? If I'm wrong on this someone can correct me, I'm not totally certain since there's been a bunch of changes recently.
I did see a supposedly stock s197 gt run a 13.4 on that very track. I even have it on video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKb66dV5fpU
My best run that day was 13.7 @ 104.6, that was with intake and tune, so I sucked.
Here's what it says on whipples website. I'm not really sure either. Someone email whipple and ask them, they are tired of my emails.
In 1991, Whipple Superchargers found a Swedish company named Opcon Autorotor. Until this time, Sprintex was the only manufacturer of the twin-screw type supercharger, but Autorotor, a sister company of the pioneering company Svenska Rotor Maskiner (SRM) had a larger variety of sizes to choose from and later generation rotor technology. By this time, the screw compressor had become commonly known as the “Whipple Charger” and quickly became a must have item for performance enthusiasts.
After Autorotor and SRM split, Whipple decided to stay with SRM and their newly formed company Lysholm Technologies. This relationship worked out very well and led to many successful twin-screw applications. With the partnership of Eaton Corporation, the Lysholm compressor made tremendous strides in dependability and performance. In 2004, the Lysholm/Eaton screw compressor was utilized on the Ford GT super car and Mercury Racing High Performance engines, a first for Lysholm.
With Whipple Superchargers extensive knowledge, technology and years of experience, Whipple developed an entirely new supercharger lineup that featured all of the latest technology in rotor profile, housing, rotor coating and bearing design to once again, revolutionize the twin-screw supercharger market. As the pioneer of the screw compressor market, Whipple’s dedication to innovative thinking, hard work, attention to detail and outstanding product performance has led to a better, American made product for the performance industry.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/27/2007 12:28:20 AM
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My understanding (and I may be way wrong) was that it was a lysholm design bought by the other companies. That autorotor/lyshom had remerged, etc., and that in general they were all the same just different points of manufacture.
Old eaton blowers (again if I'm not mistaken) were mostely roots blowers - the heat is because the compression is right at the engine and has no where to be cooled - leads to less air flow into the engine.
Meh - all that aside. I like TS units, but because they build boost so low it can make a car twitchy in partial throttle. Makes it very hard to exit a corner under increasing throttle VS natural aspiration or centrifugal.
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RE: Fastest Stock 350z 1/4 time. - 10/27/2007 1:56:35 AM
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moosestang
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Meh - all that aside. I like TS units, but because they build boost so low it can make a car twitchy in partial throttle. Makes it very hard to exit a corner under increasing throttle VS natural aspiration or centrifugal.
There's nothing twitchy about a mustang gt with a whipple, i can assure you. the bybass valve on todays twin screws really make it smooth at all throttle positions. 1st gear is twitchy with 4.10's though.
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