Haven't noticed any new posts over in the Shelby S197 forums lately, so I figured I'd post this here, where it could get an answer. What do you think about me going the CS6 conversion route, over getting a Shelby GT, even if it was at sticker? The reason I ask, is because it looks like the wife and I can get a hold of an '07 Vista V6 Deluxe(Those of you who have followed some of my posts know why I'm so determined to get the deluxe over the premium...), for an out the door price of $19,950. That's AFTER the negative equity from the Accord we're trading in is factored in. I opted to go with the 2.9% APR, instead of the additional $1500-$2000 in rebates. Saves more in the long run if you are like me, and have average credit... Anyway, if you add the $12,999 that Shelby is listing the Stage II full conversion package at, then you come up with $32,949. Not sure how much the paint and installation would cost, but give it a conservative estimate of an extra $2000. So, that would be $34,949. I'm hoping that maybe my dealer can work with me, and get the kit at cost, so that the $12,999 would include all the paint and installation, we'll see what I can do. Back to the point. A Shelby GT runs anywhere between $36-$38k at sticker, if I'm not mistaken? Plus, you'd have to hope you could even GET one at sticker. Let's go right down the middle, at $37k. We're looking at a price difference of $4051 if I can get the stuff for the CS6 put on with a dealer hookup, or $2051 with that earlier estimate. Again, assuming you can get the Shelby GT at sticker. CS6 has 350hp, Shelby GT has 320hp. CS6=20" Razors, Shelby GT=18" Bullits. Both true Shelby cars. Bottom line, based off cost comparison, with the X factor being that I've NEVER seen a CS6 on the road, but have seen several Shelby GTs, why would anybody NOT get the CS6 instead? Cheaper insurance, faster, more rare, seems like an all around no brainer. Let's see what the general consensus is, fire away!
I think your opinion may be a little biased, perhaps??? Just from a logical standpoint, numbers on the paper, black and white, so to speak. What I'm waiting for, is for some of the GT guys to find a reason to knock this down... Statistically, it makes all the right sense. I'm just wondering if there would be any reason at all, that makes sense, why this would not be the best way to go. And, just to get this out of the way, I am in no way trying to offend anyone who bought a Shelby GT. Especially those who paid over sticker. My condolences...
Shelby GT is V8 CS6 is a V6 Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby CS6 is not With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status
CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.
Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)
why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.
If you can afford the V8, get it, even if it's just a GT and not the ShelbyGT. If you get the V6 you'll probably end up regretting it no matter how fast you make it.
Ok Dennis, I see your point. I checked around, and Amy from SAI did say that you don't get a registry number. So, I guess that's a strike against it! Found an honest to goodness point deduction... I guess that would place a CS6/CS8 in GT500 territory then? Both Shelby enhanced, but not "True" Shelby cars, because they weren't built by SAI. Still, I would think the value of a CS6/CS8 would be worth more than the normal KBB/NADA values for stockers. If not to a dealer, definitely to a private buyer.
Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?
I wonder if the Shelby community of owners/collectors would welcome CS6/CS8 owners, or shun them??? Don't know if I want to spend money to belong to a group, just to have them not acknowledge me when I get there...
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Shelby GT is V8 CS6 is a V6 Shelby GT is a REAL Shelby CS6 is not With the Shelby GT you can send it to shelby autos and have them install a supercharger, headers, exhaust, wheels, etc. and still maintain 100% shelby status
CS6 you put all parts on yourself, and is not registered with shelby, and has no CSM number. You would still only have a V6 delux w/ CS6 package.
Shelby GT you would get your moneys worth when selling the car (will not depreciate like regular GT's or V6's)
why spend 34k on a kit + v6 when it will not be a REAL shelby, when you can spend 4k more and have a REAL shelby, and a V8.
According to what Carol Shelby says.....the CS6 IS a REAL CAROL SHELBY, hince the name CS6. Check out what he said;
If that was for me, I'm not sure I even knew at the time I set up, that I had done that! I'll have to change that while it's on my mind. I'm trying to stay creative, and make up for not finishing my import project when I was in Japan. Need to stay on a "reasonable" budget, though...
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I've only driven an A/T GT, and then a 5spd V6. I'd be interested to hear from folks who have gone from stock GTs to S/C or T/C V6s, so I could find out for sure which would be more fun on limited funds. Seems like a FI V6 would cost about the same as a comparably equipped GT. Could be wrong, though...
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yeah the shelby is a REAL shelby but your paying for the name. you might as well get a GT and supercharge it and be way happier with it. it all depends on taste but im not paying 38k just for a name. im not knocking shelby, they are great looking cars but they are not worth 10k more just for CAI, tune, and exaust. yeah it might hold its value better but i would rather get a gt or a v6 and customize it to what i exactly want. jmo. btw dennis gotta let us know how it is. i was looking at one at the dealership and it looked nice.
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I wonder why they don't give you a dash plaque then, if Mr. Shelby himself says it's a real Shelby... Has anyone fought this battle with SAI already??? And, from what I understand, the only reason SAI didn't build them back then, is because of the Shelby GT, and GT500 production. I called the other day, and they said they are now backed up because of the Super Snake, and KR production. You would think that since GT500 owners are by far the minority of Mustang owners, that the CS6/CS8 should have been given higher priority, and been built right there at SAI. Plus, Shelby dealers are doing the conversion, like Hillbank, so I would think that would hold some weight with SAI, as far as official recognition goes.
One more thing. The Shelby GT has "Powered by Ford" logos on it. So, in essence, Shelby is putting Ford Racing parts on a car FOR you, and then calling it one of theirs. That's Cameron's arguement, and I see his point. I always thought the true nature of a Shelby, was when it had things you absolutely had to get from them(Besides the dash plaque...) to call it a Shelby. It seems that now, all SAI has to do is turn a wrench or two, no matter where the parts are from, and then it's authentic. How does everyone feel about that?
Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.
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Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?
A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!
There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, he looks like santa claus, no ****, but i've yet to line up next to him. Santa Claus if you're reading this (red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.
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Dammit, Moose! You're going to push me the other way over the fence... I had already been weighing that against the "prestige" of having a Shelby car. I spent a LOOOOOONG time this week looking into the Paxton's, Vortech's, and ProCharger setups. Even thinking about the Powerhouse 411 setup. Basically, I'm putting a fully custom project up against a Shelby kit, if I go with the CS6/CS8. If I go with the Shelby GT, it'll have the official Shelby registry going for it, but I'll always know I paid too much for the parts within. It's that conflict that I'm trying to reconcile. Gimmie a minute, and I'll put some raw numbers up for comparison, after I get some food in my stomach...
I think the OP has already made up his mind.....? My Dad's got the Shelby GT, and loves it. Pictures do the car no justice. It has a wonderful sound and while its not the fastest thing on wheels, its pretty quick. Handles like it is absolutely on rails. If I had the cash, which I dont ( two Kids, a Wife, 3 dogs, 2 Horses, Stupid mortgage, Fox Body in pieces, HD, etc, etc,) and had to make the decision between the kit car and a SGT, it would be the 8 hands down. I have been a Mustang Fan forever, and the Shelby GT looks true to form and true to its heritage. Plus, in stock form they are SCCA ready. Polo = Road Course> Drag Strip. CS-6 is a unique car in its own right. Bet its a monster on a road course, too? Tough decision you got there.... Which one really kicks ya in tha britches?
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Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.
I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash. Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is. For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list. Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.
Side note- Using the logic from this arguement, a S/C Shelby GT would be cheaper, almost as fast, and a TRUE Shelby, compared to the GT500. Hmmmmm.... What do you guys/gals think about that?
A supercharged mustang GT can be faster than a stock GT500, but the GT500 has way more potential due to forged internals and more displacement, but for the price it's just not worth getting either. Stock mustang GT $26,500, whipple HO supercharger $5,700, install for supercharger $0, do it yourself it's freaking easy, Showing your tail lights to the fat old guy in the stock GT500, priceless!
There is a fat old guy with a GT500 in my little hick town, he looks like santa claus, no ****, but i've yet to line up next to him. Santa Claus if you're reading this (red gt500 with white stripes) prepare yourself for the asswhoopin you are about to receive.
I cannot believe you are going to whoop Santa Clause. Thats just wrong....
You haven't gotten that thing in the 10's yet? I don't see the shelby GT being much of a collectors item. It's just a body kit for crying out loud. The GT500 might be worth something someday, but it's never going to pull in 200 times it's original value like a 1963 shelby cobra.
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Either way they are both slow for the amount of money you pay. I vote neither.
I would have to vote the same way. I've thought for a long time that Shelby was just whoring his name out to bring in the cash. Unless collectibility is your thing then the Shelby GT is vastly overpriced for what it is. For the CS6, while it looks good, they are forcing you to put the Paxton SC on it, which personally wouldn't be at the top of my forced induction list. Really it all depends on what you are going for. Personally I would rather take a base model and put the mods on that I want. Costs less, more performance, and I am all about track et's.
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Anyway, if you add the $12,999 that Shelby is listing the Stage II full conversion package at, then you come up with $32,949. Not sure how much the paint and installation would cost, but give it a conservative estimate of an extra $2000. So, that would be $34,949. I'm hoping that maybe my dealer can work with me, and get the kit at cost, so that the $12,999 would include all the paint and installation, we'll see what I can do. Back to the point. A Shelby GT runs anywhere between $36-$38k at sticker, if I'm not mistaken? Plus, you'd have to hope you could even GET one at sticker. Let's go right down the middle, at $37k. We're looking at a price difference of $4051 if I can get the stuff for the CS6 put on with a dealer hookup, or $2051 with that earlier estimate. Again, assuming you can get the Shelby GT at sticker. CS6 has 350hp, Shelby GT has 320hp. CS6=20" Razors, Shelby GT=18" Bullits. Both true Shelby cars. Bottom line, based off cost comparison, with the X factor being that I've NEVER seen a CS6 on the road, but have seen several Shelby GTs, why would anybody NOT get the CS6 instead? Cheaper insurance, faster, more rare, seems like an all around no brainer. Let's see what the general consensus is, fire away!
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Just from a logical standpoint, numbers on the paper, black and white, so to speak. What I'm waiting for, is for some of the GT guys to find a reason to knock this down...
Statistically, it makes all the right sense. I'm just wondering if there would be any reason at all, that makes sense, why this would not be the best way to go. And, just to get this out of the way, I am in no way trying to offend anyone who bought a Shelby GT. Especially those who paid over sticker. My condolences...
I'll have to change that while it's on my mind. I'm trying to stay creative, and make up for not finishing my import project when I was in Japan. Need to stay on a "reasonable" budget, though... 
